Tailteann Cup 2022

[yellowcard]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

A lot will depend on the GAA and how they structure it, market it and set proper fixture dates. So time will tell. However Down can have no complaints at not being in the race for Sam Maguire this year. It is a merit based system and they had more than a few opportunities in the League to prove that they warranted a place in the tier one competition. Down would have a decent chance of winning the competition which could be used as a springboard to blood a few more players to get back to where they want to be.

[johnnycool]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.

I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.

[Armagh18]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

Its a joke that counties like Down won't take it seriously. Yes they're a traditional big county with a rich history but that counts for feck all squared today. They've no right to look down their noses at any trophy. They're a million miles off winning an Ulster at the minute never mind a Sam Maguire so they would be better off shutting up, going all out to win some form of trophy and try to build on it for next year and get back to division 2. The way they look at the minute, division 4 is more likely!

[thewobbler]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.

I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.

Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition  are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.

And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.

[thewobbler]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

Its a joke that counties like Down won't take it seriously. Yes they're a traditional big county with a rich history but that counts for feck all squared today. They've no right to look down their noses at any trophy. They're a million miles off winning an Ulster at the minute never mind a Sam Maguire so they would be better off shutting up, going all out to win some form of trophy and try to build on it for next year and get back to division 2. The way they look at the minute, division 4 is more likely!

Once the pursuit of Sam Maguire (however timid this pursuit was) is over, they'd be better off back at their clubs, concentrating on club football. This has always been the case and will always be the case.

[seafoid]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.

I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.

Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition  are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.

And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.

Down do not have 15 intercounty standard players at the moment. If they did have a decent team how of the current players would make it? The TC gives the county the chance to look at other players and try different tactics out. If Down don't engage they may not go anywhere next year. As regards the club championship, Kilcoo will probably win it again anyway.

[Gael80]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.

[general_lee]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

Perfectly easy to understand. Delusions of grandeur within Down football are nothing new. Instead of gurning perhaps try and instil a bit of pride back into the jersey and show the country Down don't belong there.

[yellowcard]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.

I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.

Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition  are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.

And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.

Down do not have 15 intercounty standard players at the moment. If they did have a decent team how of the current players would make it? The TC gives the county the chance to look at other players and try different tactics out. If Down don't engage they may not go anywhere next year. As regards the club championship, Kilcoo will probably win it again anyway.

It's a big problem when a senior player who is one of the few they currently have at the required inter county standard, has stated in the paper that the Tailteann Cup is pointless. It doesn't exactly send out the right message to the rest of the members of the squad. Surely it is far better to use the next 6-8 weeks of the summer to improve themselves with matches, possible silverware and some TV exposure rather than begin preseason gym training in October before next years McKenna Cup.   

[yellowcard]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.

Counties ranked no 17-24 are there for a reason, they have no errand competing to win Sam Maguire. It is a completely fair merit based system based on current League position and not on success that was had 30 years ago. 

[Gael80]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

It could be a good competition but 16 participants is too many. Yes Down are going through a difficult time but a county with such tradition will aim to compete for an Ulster or All Ireland title, then when that is gone would prefer to help their club or go travelling. No amount of marketing will change that mindset in my opinion. The GAA should of started with the eight Division 4 teams and NY then seen how the competiton developed.

Counties ranked no 17-24 are there for a reason, they have no errand competing to win Sam Maguire. It is a completely fair merit based system based on current League position and not on success that was had 30 years ago.

Yes but what is sometimes forgotten is the amateur side of our games. Despite when success came, players in some counties rightly or wrongly are judged within their own borders on tradition. Down are in Division 3 on merit and as a result don't have a Qualifer option but if players are coming out saying it's pointless to continue in a secondary competition then we have a problem. We can't make players buy into it, and my point is counties like Down would never see a secondary competition as something they aspire to win. Club football is very important to individual players, that would quickly become the priority, then for younger players there is a chance to travel during the summer.

[rosnarun]

If their only way of getting into the sam Maguire cup was to win the Tailtean then they'd take it more seriously .
there are too many people in the GAA unwilling to admit that some counties are not Senior county level (in any given year)
it would eb like mayo demanding to play in the Liam McCarthy cup every year . It wouldn't do Mayo hurling  or the Championship any good

[Redhand Santa]

I know timetable might be an issue but it was obvious from the start that the best way to make this competition important and treated seriously by all counties was for the winner to enter the Sam Maguire race in the same year. If the team that wins it was given a home game against a qualifier to make it through to the Quarter Finals you can be assured there wouldn't be any talk of counties not taking it serious.

[Milltown Row2]

I've said a few times, it should be like our counties championship, we have no issue with it along those lines why should we have any bother with it when it comes to intercounty..

If your league standings determine your championship then you could have Junior All Ireland, winners move up to intermediate or if the land into Div2 they'll play Sam, Intermediate winners play in Sam Maguire and should their league standings at the end of the season be div 2 then they'll play at Sam Level anyways, losers could take that position..

Gives teams a realistic chance to improve and two options to get into the higher grades. Now someone with more knowledge of setting this up would make a better stab than I did

This notion that a Div 4 or 3 team should be playing at the highest level is nuts, would it be allowed to happen in your own county?

[johnnycool]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-football/gaelic-football-news/down-star-barry-ohagan-claims-26855773

Hard to understand this mentality. Down are coming off the back of a season where they haven't won a match yet Barry O'Hagan reckons they should be competing to win Sam Maguire.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying the Tailteann cup is a pointless affair.

He will be proven right too.

He's as much chance of winning a Sam Maguire as Eoghan Sands has of winning a Liam McCarthy and that's the reality he and the football fraternity in Down need to live in and build from there.

I'd love to be proved wrong on both counts but it ain't going to happen.

Johnny this doesn't change the simple fact that if a large percentage of participants in a competition  are ambivalent about winning it, then there's likely something much more useful that everyone - players, managers, admin, supporters - could be doing wither their time.

And due to this simple fact, it is an un-marketable competition. Just like every previous version of the B championship. They can change the name and the format all they want, but ultimately it's the booby prize.

I'll not argue with you on that and it's only a matter of time before Croke Park marginalise it even further and yes, I'd be of the opinion that Down need a stronger club scene before they can move on at IC level.