Provincial Championships - is this the beginning of the end?

Started by onefineday, March 30, 2023, 12:22:15 AM

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Armagh18

Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2023, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 19, 2023, 05:31:58 AM
one of the reason super 8s flopped was dead rubbers
It will be the same this year.
Saying as 3 teams get out of the group surely there won't be any dead rubbers as 1 win can see you come third?
There will still be a lack of balance given that there aren't 8 good teams. It will get interesting at QF stage but even there there may be hammerings.
Last year Derry/Clare and Dublin/ Cork were non events
The GAA funded Dublin without looking after the competitive interests of the other 11 counties in Leinster. It's their own fault.
Is there not 10 decent teams? I don't think any of the top 10 teams by league position this year would play each other and not be at least reasonably competitive. (Donegal may implode completely who knows what will happen there, but in a normal year they're a similar level to the rest)

seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2023, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 12:36:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2023, 12:27:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 19, 2023, 05:31:58 AM
one of the reason super 8s flopped was dead rubbers
It will be the same this year.
Saying as 3 teams get out of the group surely there won't be any dead rubbers as 1 win can see you come third?
There will still be a lack of balance given that there aren't 8 good teams. It will get interesting at QF stage but even there there may be hammerings.
Last year Derry/Clare and Dublin/ Cork were non events
The GAA funded Dublin without looking after the competitive interests of the other 11 counties in Leinster. It's their own fault.
Is there not 10 decent teams? I don't think any of the top 10 teams by league position this year would play each other and not be at least reasonably competitive. (Donegal may implode completely who knows what will happen there, but in a normal year they're a similar level to the rest)
I don't think they can all translate to the business end.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eire90

The days of do or die football in the irish summer heat is now over

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

#109
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 12:01:21 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 19, 2023, 05:31:58 AM
one of the reason super 8s flopped was dead rubbers
It will be the same this year.

Shouldn't be the same when 2nd and 3rd are going into a prem Quarter final.  Last 8 of the championship should be knock out football IMO that's where they got it wrong with the "Super 8s" and right with this current format but the group winner will have the advantage of the extra week rest/preparation over their Quarter final opponent.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid


In 2017  only the Ros Mayo qf was competitive and the replay wasn't. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship

Last year 1 of the qfs was competitive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship

The Super 8s brought the last 8 bias into the round robin format.

The GAA can reduce the length of the competition and it can change the number of matches but it can't guarantee competitive matches.
It's all about priorities.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

It's not clear that the round robin will be more compelling than the provincial championships.
The only way to get guaranteed unmissable matches would be to replicate the league in a round robin system. But that would exclude 25 counties from the all Ireland and have a snowball's hope in hell of being accepted.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Captain Obvious

Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 08:22:17 PM
It's not clear that the round robin will be more compelling than the provincial championships.
The only way to get guaranteed unmissable matches would be to replicate the league in a round robin system. But that would exclude 25 counties from the all Ireland and have a snowball's hope in hell of being accepted.

League is the league that needs to be made even more important and don't need our two main competitions to be similar. The All Ireland is meant to be a cup competition. Underdogs going on a run is what makes any cup competition interesting does this new round robin format help underdogs or lessen their chances of producing such memories?   

Rossfan

Those wanting an end to Provincial Championships got extra ammo for their case this afternoon .
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Blowitupref

Quote from: Rossfan on April 22, 2023, 05:47:52 PM
Those wanting an end to Provincial Championships got extra ammo for their case this afternoon .

And the opposite for this evening's match in Munster between Limerick and Clare with both giving their all with so much at stake for the winner and loser.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

NotedObserver

Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 19, 2023, 11:25:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 19, 2023, 08:22:17 PM
It's not clear that the round robin will be more compelling than the provincial championships.
The only way to get guaranteed unmissable matches would be to replicate the league in a round robin system. But that would exclude 25 counties from the all Ireland and have a snowball's hope in hell of being accepted.

League is the league that needs to be made even more important and don't need our two main competitions to be similar. The All Ireland is meant to be a cup competition. Underdogs going on a run is what makes any cup competition interesting does this new round robin format help underdogs or lessen their chances of producing such memories?

Less chance for me. Best chance for Ulster side is to chin one of Dublin v Kerry before they play a tight match. Won't happen now

Eire90