Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
Have we answered the initial question from all that shite talk then?

when will Casement get the go ahead and where are the plans for it?

f**k that. Lets have more whataboutery over a few of the queens pennies. I hear the IFA/OO/legions of doom are planning to build a big fenian death ray with the money and lure taigs to it with a trail of rosary beads and laundered diesel.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
when will Casement get the go ahead and where are the plans for it?

... and if it is still planned as an all-seater, who in the ulster council do you register your displeasure with?


They can have 3 stands with seats if they want, but please give us the choice by having at least the one standing area.
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ziggysego

Quote from: DuffleKing on January 25, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
The reality is that the GAA already have 9 other stadia around Ulster with capacities varying from 12 - 30k.

8 other ;)
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ziggysego

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 25, 2012, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
when will Casement get the go ahead and where are the plans for it?

... and if it is still planned as an all-seater, who in the ulster council do you register your displeasure with?


They can have 3 stands with seats if they want, but please give us the choice by having at least the one standing area.

The Ulster GAA were in England this week, inspecting the stadiums they have other there. Perhaps there's an announcement coming soon.
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Rasharkin Gael

I know the money has to be used for a stadium development so is ring fenced for Casement, but the priority in Antrim must be to finish the Dunsilly training complex. If it were not for the generousity of the Creggan club letting the county teams use their facilities , Antrim footballers would have very little options for modern training facilities.

AQMP

Quote from: ziggysego on January 25, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on January 25, 2012, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
when will Casement get the go ahead and where are the plans for it?

... and if it is still planned as an all-seater, who in the ulster council do you register your displeasure with?


They can have 3 stands with seats if they want, but please give us the choice by having at least the one standing area.

The Ulster GAA were in England this week, inspecting the stadiums they have other there. Perhaps there's an announcement coming soon.

The Casement Etihad Sports Direct Emirates Arena??

Don Johnson

Quote from: Rasharkin Gael on January 26, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
I know the money has to be used for a stadium development so is ring fenced for Casement, but the priority in Antrim must be to finish the Dunsilly training complex. If it were not for the generousity of the Creggan club letting the county teams use their facilities , Antrim footballers would have very little options for modern training facilities.

Were they not using the Dub?

aontroim

Quote from: Rasharkin Gael on January 26, 2012, 10:58:40 AM
I know the money has to be used for a stadium development so is ring fenced for Casement, but the priority in Antrim must be to finish the Dunsilly training complex. If it were not for the generousity of the Creggan club letting the county teams use their facilities , Antrim footballers would have very little options for modern training facilities.

I'd imagine the County are being quite generous in return to Creggan for the usage  :D 

Maguire01

Quote from: Evil Genius on January 25, 2012, 03:05:41 PM
Quote from: Ulick on January 25, 2012, 01:17:51 PM
Quote from: whitegoodman on January 25, 2012, 01:11:26 PM
Maybe this has been answered before but why is rugby getting 15mil and the soccer and gaelic are getting 60 odd mil?

It may only take this to finish Ravenhill but could they not use the money elsewhere to develop other facilities throughout the provence?

Rugby only needed the £15m, soccer wanted £30m odd and the GAA said they needed £90m or so. Rugby got what they wanted, the GAA got most of what they wanted and soccer got more than they wanted because the Fenians couldn't be seen to be getting more than soccer.
Not true, indeed very misleading (as I'm sure was your intention).

The IFA applied for £25m (approx) for the re-building of Windsor to the latest FIFA minimum requirements, however this was only part of an overall plan for development of the game in NI. For unlike the GAA, who appear to be putting all their eggs in the one (Casement) basket, they plan to spend the remaining £30m-odd on developing other facilities throughout NI, including a major part on a new National Training/Development Centre (Blanchflower Park).

And as for your allegation that they "got more than they wanted because the Fenians couldn't be seen to be getting more than soccer", are you seriously implying that if the GAA hadn't been getting so much, that the IFA would have been happy to forego an extra £30m which was available to them from the Stormont sports budget?  ::)

The simple fact is that following the collapse of the Maze project, Stormont had a sum in excess of £100m in its sports stadia budget which they would have lost entirely, unless they came up with an alternative scheme. The then Sports Minister, Nelson McCausland managed to get this ring-fenced, and after extensive consultation and negotiation, came up with a £50m/£50m/£15m (approx) split between the 3 sports. This was effectively based on a number of factors, primarily need and participation/size.

Indeed, had he divided the total on crude sectarian* lines, as you suggest, this would almost certainly have been challenged as unlawful and an abuse of his powers.

Instead, it was broadly accepted as fair by all parties, including specifically by his Sinn Fein successor, Caral Ni Chuillin, who was quoted earlier this week at Ravenhill as saying:
"Having secured up to £110m earlier in the year for the development of regional stadiums for rugby, gaelic games and football, I am delighted that a point has been reached which will enable us to begin to see progress on the ground."


* - How curious the implication in your post, to which you did not object, that GAA is for "Fenians" (only)... :o
I was under the impression that initially, the money had to be spent on one project. Otherwise the GAA might well have decided to upgrade a number of venues. It appeared very much like the IFA didn't need as much as the GAA (for Windsor), so McCausland found another way to 'even things up'.

snatter

Lots of outline detail of new stadium just listed at WWW.publictenders.net/tender/134687


Outline of accommodation.
The following schedule is an approximate guide only and is subject to change.
A stadium capacity of 40 000 is envisaged for this new all-seated stadium,
Capacity allocation is broken down as follows:

Standard seats 37 120,
Premium seats 2 000,
Corporate seats 580,
VIP seats 300,
Total 40 000,
Press 80.
Special needs and disabled seating provision to be in accordance with Green Guide Stadium or other regional/national guidelines within Europe,
Acoustically capable of hosting concerts and other potential non-GAA events,
A pitch to GAA dimensions and GAA performance criteria. Pitch size to be a minimum of 141m x 80m excluding a 5m run-off,
A stadium that is pitch maintenance sensitive,
Stadium lighting to allow high definition media,
Corporate level area including dining,
Adequate car and coach parking,
Adequate storage and maintenance equipment areas,
Turnstiles and enhanced access areas to the stadium,
Internal access areas including lift areas,
Media Centre,
Medical and safety facilities,
Crowd Control Centre,
Four large dressing rooms to County Squad size (45 persons) and 2 medium size dressing rooms (30 persons),
An adequate conference facility to accommodate a number of medium to large conference events,
Space to be allocated for potential development of future commercial units.

Stadium access.
Pitch access is required for players,
Maintenance access is required for vehicles.

Concourses.
Concourses to be designed to accommodate the needs of user capacity and provide for other functional uses such as conferences, meeting rooms and community rooms.

Player accommodation.
4 no. County squad size player changing suites accommodating 45 players with each suite including a changing room, with separate toilet and shower areas,
2 no. medium size player changing suites accommodating 30 players with each suite including a changing room, with separate toilets and shower areas,
4 no. warm up room 96 m2,
4 no. physio room 15 m2,
4 no. medical room 10 m2,
2 no. drug testing room 10 m2,
Referee changing rooms â€" 2no @ 50 m2 each,
Player press conference area â€" 20 m2,
Players lounge â€" 80 m2.

Patron accommodation.
Patron toilets,
All spectator accommodation to be served by toilet facilities designed to address peak demand and limit congestion,
Concession units â€" all spectator accommodation to be served by concession units designed to meet patron peak demand. Approx area 1 070 m2,
First aid room 10 m2 at each patron level.

Staff facilities.
Stewards, operational staff briefing and hospitality area â€" 300 m2,
Premium level catering staff changing/ rest and toilet facilities â€" 60 m2,
Concession staff changing/rest and toilet facilities â€" 80 m2.

Main production kitchen.
Main production kitchen â€" 550 m2,
Satellite kitchens- 2no at 250 m2.

Event management suite.
Event management room â€" 30 m2,
Police room â€" 15 m2,
PA room â€" 15 m2,
WC / Tea station â€" 10 m2,
Meeting room â€" 30 m2.

Press media.
80 press media comprising 48 writing press and 32 broadcasting press,
Writing press room â€" 80 m2,
Press media hospitality â€" 95 m2,
Radio station â€" 40 m2,
TV station â€" 40 m2.

Security and ticketing.
Security room â€" 50 m2,
Ticket office â€" 100 m2.

Plant rooms.
Boiler room,
Water storage,
Transformer /switch / pump / generator,
Pitch maintenance,
Refuse compactor/waste management general plant rooms.

Parking.
Car parking for 240 cars,
2no outside broadcasting units,
6no player coaches.

AQMP

The proposed timescale, we're looking at Championship games being played in 2016/2017??

The following dates are indicative only and are subject to change:

July 2012 appointment of the economic operator.

July 2012 beginning of enabling works design and procurement process.

September 2012 commence preparation of procurement documents for IST appointment.

October 2012 issue enabling ITT documents.

February 2013 completion of design to RIBA stage D/E.

February 2013 planning application submitted.

February 2013 issue IST ITT documents.

July 2013 appointment of IST.

Autumn 2013 planning permission received (subject to planning process).

December 2013 beginning of construction period.

September 2015 completion of construction period.

September 2016 completion of defects period.


Maguire01

Quote from: AQMP on February 08, 2012, 11:01:12 AM
The proposed timescale, we're looking at Championship games being played in 2016/2017??
And that's probably ambitious enough. A lot probably hinges on the planning permission date. And that tender link reads like it hasn't been designed - I thought that had been done? Where did all the 'artist impressions' come from that were doing the rounds a few years ago?

Magicsponge

From Hoganstand - http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=161750

Casement Park revamp put on hold

Work on the redevelopment of Casement Park will begin a year later than expected.

The Irish News reports that the redevelopment of the Belfast venue won't start until the end of 2013, meaning it will be available to host National League and championship games next year. The Ulster Council plans to demolish the existing stadium and construct a new 40,000 capacity all-seater stadium at a cost of £76.4 million. The British Government will contribute £64.1 million towards the cost of the redevelopment.

When completed, the new Casement Park will replace St. Tiernach's Park in Clones as the new headquarters of Ulster GAA. The invitation for tenders reveals that the deadline for design is February 2013, and that the planning application will be submitted in the same month.

The construction period is expected to last 21 months.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Derry on February 17, 2012, 12:43:20 AM
Some major news due on this project on Friday. The Irish News back page folks is a must for you all tomorrow!
Was backed by all 9 counties at Ulster Council meeting tonight.

Orior

This was on the BBC this morning. All the interviewer wanted to know was if Casement would facilitate soccer or rugby. The answer was no.

I don't recall Windsor Park or Ravenhill getting the same questions.
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