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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #75 on: June 08, 2022, 11:40:25 AM »
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?

This is old...

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/

Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2022, 11:48:29 AM »
Yes. The hurlers in your county deserve a chance to be able to compete at county level.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2022, 11:55:29 AM »
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?

This is old...

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/

Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?

When Cavan were relegated to div 4 in the football, was it well spent that year?

Look you're not making sense, this is a game to let kids develop much more that playing senior or even county, its more than that, only a very small percentage of kids stick at a sport growing up, not all kids are good footballers and not all kids are good at hurling, automatically you are depraving kids a chance at a sport that they may thrive at or have a passion for...

All the kids at my age group back in the day played both, some were good at both others crap and some crap at one of the codes, at senior they either continued to play both or they dropped one altogether or kept one on socially in the reserves. We didn't have big numbers at juvenile and that's why all the kids played both.

As for burn out wtf are kids made of nowadays, lazy shite's  ;D
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« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2022, 12:57:25 PM »
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.

That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.

One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.

If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.

Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story.  The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc.  That's the benefits.

Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.

You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.

If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.

All dual clubs, all over Ireland have that schedule.

Especially the country/rural clubs - from Donegal to Kerry.

So your point is invalid.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2022, 01:00:35 PM »
Stop engaging with this shite lads. Good energy sucker

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« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2022, 01:04:01 PM »
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.

That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.

One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.

If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.

Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story.  The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc.  That's the benefits.

Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.

You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.

If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.

Very telling comment.

Why shouldn't it be 50/50?

Why is it impossible to do so?

Why should football get more time?

The clear point you, and a lot of others are missing, is the benefits of playing the two sports from a young age.

I've already mentioned the dual clubs that manage it at the highest level and unfortunately because of these facts, you can't counter-argue it.

Let the children play, compete and enjoy hurling and football.

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« Reply #81 on: June 08, 2022, 01:27:08 PM »
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.

That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.

One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.

If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.

Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story.  The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc.  That's the benefits.

Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.

You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.

If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.

Very telling comment.

Why shouldn't it be 50/50? - Because we are from a traditionally football county and football is what we have is a traditional football club. Hurling is a "new" venture.

Why is it impossible to do so? - Impossible to do without significantly effecting football. I have already outlined why.

Why should football get more time? - Because we are traditionally a football club. You might as well ask why dont we give equal time to rounders and handball too. Should we train less  to allow those GAA sports access too?

The clear point you, and a lot of others are missing, is the benefits of playing the two sports from a young age. - The kids in my club play multiple sports already, a point you have ignoned like a lot of what I am saying, as you as so biased toward hurling you are unable to accept the reality of the situation in a small club. Our kids play soccer and rugby in the winter season. Some continue both these sports through development squads during the summer. Some play golf, some do athletics. Lots and lots of sport. I am talking about what happens in our own club which is within our control.

I've already mentioned the dual clubs that manage it at the highest level and unfortunately because of these facts, you can't counter-argue it. - Tell me all about a successful dual club with a membership of <150 members and with less than 20 kids at U13, U15 and U17. Show me the facts of where this works. You wont because you dont have any facts.

Let the children play, compete and enjoy hurling and football.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #82 on: June 08, 2022, 01:28:47 PM »
Fear Bun Na Sceilpe - I see you replying regularly on this thread, on account of you being a muppet I have you on Ignore now for over a year or so, so I have no idea what you are saying nor do I care.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #83 on: June 08, 2022, 01:32:22 PM »
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?

This is old...

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/

Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?

When Cavan were relegated to div 4 in the football, was it well spent that year?

Look you're not making sense, this is a game to let kids develop much more that playing senior or even county, its more than that, only a very small percentage of kids stick at a sport growing up, not all kids are good footballers and not all kids are good at hurling, automatically you are depraving kids a chance at a sport that they may thrive at or have a passion for...

All the kids at my age group back in the day played both, some were good at both others crap and some crap at one of the codes, at senior they either continued to play both or they dropped one altogether or kept one on socially in the reserves. We didn't have big numbers at juvenile and that's why all the kids played both.

As for burn out wtf are kids made of nowadays, lazy shite's  ;D

It was really well spent as we got to go up to Antrim and bate ye out the gate despite all your whinging about Corrigan park. As for kids development, take a look in the mirror in Antrim at what we are doing in a county with 500k and truly brutal football team and a 2nd tier hurling team - just maybe it is ye that is not doing things right perhaps?

Some kids are sick of GAA by minor due to spending too much time training/playing, this is also a reality but you already know that lad as does everyone on this board and further afield.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #84 on: June 08, 2022, 03:33:09 PM »
Do you think there’s an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful.   It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling.  it can be done but certainly not quickly.     agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.

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« Reply #85 on: June 08, 2022, 04:51:27 PM »
Do you think there’s an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful.   It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling.  it can be done but certainly not quickly.     agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.

Nah, it's more than that.

There are plenty people who actively stop others from putting the time into hurling.

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Itchy - in your scenario - a young lad from Cavan who wants to play hurling

Where does he go?  What do you tell him?

"Nope - no chance - our U-15 footballers have ambitions of winning a B championship this year, so ye can get fcuked"

There's only one Nazi in that scenario

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #86 on: June 08, 2022, 05:25:50 PM »
Do you think there’s an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards  peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...

Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D

Football clubs should be promoting hurling.

Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus.  Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.

I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful.   It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling.  it can be done but certainly not quickly.     agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.

Nah, it's more than that.

There are plenty people who actively stop others from putting the time into hurling.

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Itchy - in your scenario - a young lad from Cavan who wants to play hurling

Where does he go?  What do you tell him?

"Nope - no chance - our U-15 footballers have ambitions of winning a B championship this year, so ye can get fcuked"

There's only one Nazi in that scenario

Well Franko, If you took care to read what I was writing you would know I wasnt referring to Cavan.

But if I was in my old club in Cavan and I wanted to play Hurling I would join the dedicated amalgamated hurling club that is up the road 10 miles. But my old football club in Cavan, like 80-90% of the clubs in Cavan, would not be fielding hurling teams at any level. I think there are 6 hurling clubs in the whole county of Cavan.

At my current club, no child is told to "get fucked". Maybe that sort of thing goes on in your club I dont know. In our club the child is free to play what they want, I am just telling you that in my opinion that is at the expense of football and it is being driven by a small group of Hurling Nazis that cannot be reasoned with. Why should my club put resources into something that diminishes the primary sport in the club. If you think there should be a joint primary sport and that hurling should get the same effort, financing etc in it as football in a traditional football area in a club of small number well I call Bullshit on that.

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Re: Apathy towards Hurling in the North/Ulster
« Reply #87 on: June 08, 2022, 11:18:12 PM »
Fear Bun Na Sceilpe - I see you replying regularly on this thread, on account of you being a muppet I have you on Ignore now for over a year or so, so I have no idea what you are saying nor do I care.

I actually gave the first response you absolute gimpbag. I'd say I know more about hurling than you know about yourself. Dedicated big part of my life to it. You are actually embarrassing yourself now

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« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2022, 11:53:50 PM »
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