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[1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.]

1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.

2. The IFA is one of the key institutions of partition but is very weak at the moment. I didn't realise how poor it was.

3. This is about ideology versus money. Partition and sectarianism are stupid. Refusing to play in Casement might be consistent but it would also be stupid.

This must be the first time on the North, assuming that Casement goes ahead, that the Croppies have superior infrastructure to the chosen people. That is why it is so interesting. Usually culture war participants don't turn up.their noses at money.



Let's see

5 games. But this is literally the point. They selected Casement as part of the bid. So they can't have it both ways here. They can't select it, but not pay for it considering what the games would bring in

They could, however, decide that the Casement project is going to require too much financial investment and use one of the ready-to-go ground that are on the reserve list.
The games would still "bring in" the same to the UK economy. And not cost them a significant outlay.

To a point. If it's a ready built one in or near another city in the plan (like the 4 stadia that didn't go forward are Old Trafford with Etihad already there, and London Stadium with already 2 others in London, Croker with Aviva already there, and Sunderland) means you just absorb those in already but will there be any actual extra spending? If having to travel to Belfast and stay then they may spend more than if they stayed in England somewhere where they were anyway for game before. That spending makes a huge difference in Belfast than London or Manchester

Also, infrastructure building needs to be considered and it's an easy way to build stuff that will pay itself off. The soccer people won't be happy with it, but one thing about Casement is it will be a legacy left and will be seen as UK investment in local infrastructure when they will be spending anyway. If it lost out to already there stadia like Old Trafford and London (although upgrades will be needed on both) then that's a very bad look on stuff there already and upgrading already rich football clubs grounds while Casement sits idle. Make no mistake here, if this does not go ahead there, and Casement is not bult, then it is huge governance failure on multiple levels

Does the glider run past Casement?
Perhaps another example of short sighted penny pinching!
If they had gone all out with a tram system instead of a bendy bus and had extended it to Lisburn train station and Sprucefield they would have had a partial solution to the lack of parking.

Not as yet, but in the plan there is allowances for a Glider stop with increased on event day. Talk of a separate park and ride nearby too

[1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.]

1. The Brits are not going to top up the funding for the sake of 4 matches imo.

2. The IFA is one of the key institutions of partition but is very weak at the moment. I didn't realise how poor it was.

3. This is about ideology versus money. Partition and sectarianism are stupid. Refusing to play in Casement might be consistent but it would also be stupid.

This must be the first time on the North, assuming that Casement goes ahead, that the Croppies have superior infrastructure to the chosen people. That is why it is so interesting. Usually culture war participants don't turn up.their noses at money.



Let's see

5 games. But this is literally the point. They selected Casement as part of the bid. So they can't have it both ways here. They can't select it, but not pay for it considering what the games would bring in

I think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

No it will be just the same footprint but one end that was originally planned to be fully terrace will have seats for the euros due to UEFA criteria but post euros can have the seats removed and rails for terracing then placed bringing capacity back up from 30000 to 34500

Ah right so. There is allowance for temp seats to go further into the field and not have the pitch so big for soccer, right? I recall reading that before

I think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Yes. Is this honestly hard to understand. Sport is a massive net benefit to both the community and the exchequer/government. Government benefits hugely from a) the building work, b) events held locally, people spending money, c) health benefits of raising interest in sport.

The government SHOULD absolutely pay into capital projects in this as they have vested interests and they make it back many fold in what sport does for the economy and community at large. And all profits by the sporting organisation tends to be ploughed back in to the community. GAA puts back in 87p of every quid it gets in. Governments know it is in their interest to support and fund sport capital projects, and not to be the one in receipt of profits as they make it back anyway without hindering or handicapping the sport itself. Jeez, can we actually think about this for an actual minute?

OK Trailer you tell us how Casement will make the 10 million a year it will need to wash its face?
Thats based on a 200 million spend with 5% running costs per annum.

Can't believe you typed out 10 million running costs with a straight face. Where on earth are you getting that from?

Most people I know don't think Casement is a good idea.

If built to current spec it will be an enormous drain on resources.

For example if Ulster Council make circa 1 million from an Ulster final in Clones they can spread most of that around.

In the future all of that and a whole lot more will have to go to the upkeep of Casement. It will be some burden for Antrim GAA in particular.

For vanity purposes it would be great to see it built but the GAA don't need it.

Most people? Most I've talked to and seen online want it

Yes it'll need upkeep, but with the events likely to be there it'll clear that by far. And won't this be on Ulster GAA? They're taking it over as far as I'm aware, so that'll not be on Antrim

[I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Not strictly true. Needs to be a bit less than that on a fully open, bells and whistles Croker. But kinda right, but kinda not. You don't fully open the stadium, have full complement of stewards on etc. They can only open lower tiers, or even just Hogan Stand lower tier as required. There's ways to work it by minimising what is needed

Question for Cavan folk.
Has there been a significant improvement since last Summer?
Was really surprised how poor they were in the championship meeting.
Kept saying on the way to Brefni for the championship how you never get anything easy there, and then Cavan were so poor on the day.
I have a feeling it won't be any ways near as handy Sunday week.

It's not that there's significant improvement, we just happened to be really really bad in that match. We were missing players too, some half injured but played anyway, and dying fumes of last manager. All that notwithstanding, we were worse than bad, it was a dip from expected level last year. Think we're now above our level of last year, so with that being a dip, I think we'll be far better. But is League football so far, so pinch of salt and all that

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

[Cavan really should be nowhere near div2 next year if results go their way.]

Cavan really should be nowhere near div2 next year if results go their way.

Meath should have been home & hosed with the goal chances.

What do you mean here if you mind me asking? I don't know if you mean up or down

Can anyone have a guess at what the UEFA requirements would be that would cause a further price hike? Think in Dunedin, New Zealand they built an all seater covered stadium for 100 odd million. That would be my aim if I was to start this charade over again

No standing sections, electronic turnstiles, higher grade floodlighting, more VIP seating, more press facilties, commentary locations, media locations, more camera locations, photographer areas, press conference areas, outside broadcast areas, hospitality hosting areas. It is literally a different planet on what you need

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

Folks do you think it won't pay itself off even at that price? So who cares, honestly. Should have been 13 years ago. The price increase is due to others, but even so will still pay itself off

Derry v Dublin - Dublin
Mayo v Roscommon - Mayo
Kerry v Tyrone - Kerry
Monaghan v Galway - Galway

Fermanagh v Armagh - Armagh
Cavan v Meath - Cavan
Donegal v Louth - Donegal
Cork v Kildare - Cork

Limerick v Clare - Clare
Antrim v Westmeath - Westmeath
Down v Sligo - Down
Offaly v Wicklow - Offaly

Carlow v Wexford - Wexford
Laois v London - Laois
Tipperary v Waterford - Tipperary
Longford v Leitrim - Leitrim