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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 01:37:18 PM »
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We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over Ä1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.

But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.

Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...

Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.

Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin Iím nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know itís a different level but Iíve seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.

And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?

That's is an entirely different matter as it was for 2 different teams which is fair enough.

You however are arguing about players having to play 3 weekends in a row as if that is some big deal. 

As Armagh18 just said to another poster 'tell me you never kicked a ball without telling me you never kicked a ball'.

It's not really. O'Connor played him in a pre season tournament rather than not risking him after he played Sigerson. No real need to go 3 weeks in a row of games the intensity of All Ireland QFs and then a SF. No need for it these days, and the calendar doesn't allow it now. I have played ball btw. A while ago to be fair, although still play club hurling.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 12:58:19 PM »

We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over Ä1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.

But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.

Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...

Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.

Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.
Ah in fairness at that level those lads could play 2 days in a row. Molloy from Galway played twice in one day for NUIG and Corofin Iím nearly sure once as well. A week is plenty of time to recover to be honest. I know itís a different level but Iíve seen club teams in Armagh play Sunday Wednesday Friday Sunday.

And we see players like Clifford being bollixed as he was made play 2 games in one day when the Sigerson was on. He's only now coming back from injuries. No sports scientist on the planet would allow 2 high intensity games in 2 days. They're amateurs, they need recovery. What is to be gained from flogging them?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 12:51:23 PM »

We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over Ä1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.

But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.

Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...

Ah ffs catch yourself on, players would play a game every night of the week to get to an AI semi-final.

Of course they would. That's literally my point, but it wouldn't be fair on them. But it's not up to the GAA to flog them like that, they have to think on that stuff now. There's a reason we don't leave these decisions to the players. The right call was made with penalties seeing as we have a split season.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 10:11:10 AM »
Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.

Well I must have missed it when penalties have been used in GAA for ages now for fouls in the box. And not a lottery, both the taker and keeper can affect the outcome of the kick. Nowhere near a lottery at all. Galway supposedly practiced them, at the end of challenge matches. They trained for it, and won it.

How does next score win work in a gale force win? That now is far more of a lottery than penalties... You can't call it that, and then give that suggestion.

It's a lottery as it's not a skill of the game. I'd much prefer the game won using next score. The wind could be a factor (but won't be a lot of times for big games in the summer) but that's part of every match (sometimes it only picks up for a half giving a team advantage etc).

How so? It is a skill of the game. If we're at a point where 5 inter County players selected can't take a penalty then we're in a bad place. Most teams have a fair few players who take placed balls, even at club level. Getting 5 to take them is not a huge deal for players at this level. It's far less a lottery than your other suggestion

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 10:08:46 AM »

We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over Ä1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.

But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on
Happily. Cut ticket prices for a replay though.

Well of course you'd say that this morning. But it's not just price (and they used to cut replay prices alright). Just next weekend was meant to be off for players, and now we have some saying 3 weeks in a row is no issue, with the final 2 weeks after. Potentially 4 games in 5 weeks? Nah way...

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 09:34:57 AM »

We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

😂.. no we can't to be fair but is it sustainable? My opinion like many is more about fairness on the players but when we think about it, the GAA are potentially throwing away over Ä1million, imagine a semi final goes the same way as yesterday. Media and sponsors would of loved another Armagh v Galway game in a packed stadium. I think decide on the day in the first match is crazy and when common sense takes over the authorities will all agree.

But we can't have it both ways, especially in these times. Are we expecting players and supporters of one of teh teams go out to Croke Park 3 weekends in a row now? We've known about this all year. A big game would always have these discussions, but we'll get used to it and move on

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 09:33:28 AM »
Penalties is not a gaa skill and should never be used to determine the winner of such an important match - it's a lottery. At this stage of championship I'd prefer replays (with a much reduced admission price). If this isn't possible then ball thrown in again and next score wins (toss for who plays which way - the wind might be an advantage). This would make much more sense than penalties and wouldn't take too long to determine the winner.

Well I must have missed it when penalties have been used in GAA for ages now for fouls in the box. And not a lottery, both the taker and keeper can affect the outcome of the kick. Nowhere near a lottery at all. Galway supposedly practiced them, at the end of challenge matches. They trained for it, and won it.

How does next score win work in a gale force win? That now is far more of a lottery than penalties... You can't call it that, and then give that suggestion.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 09:28:44 AM »
There is absolutely nothing wrong with penalties. Anyone who expects players and fans to go to croke park 3 weekends in a row in the middle of a cost of living crisis forgets all the whinging there used to be about how expensive it was for families beforehand.
I feel like some people just do not want anything that comes from soccer in the GAA. Its anglophobia and belongs in the past.

Indeed, we've had penalties in GAA for ages now, so a penalty shootout is not a far reach. And not just soccer. Penalty shootouts happen in other sport too, like ice hockey. And I think it's the best option. Each team has a chance to either take or save each one. Can't do that with frees or 45s. Yesterday both takers and keepers had the chance to effect the results of the game, and Galway came out winners. Armagh had their chances

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 09:25:52 AM »

We'll agree to disagree, in the world of finance the GAA will listen to the likes of Joyce and the public opinion on using penalties, with pressure being applied from sponsors and media. We seen the reality of the plan yesterday and I expect some head scratching in Croke Park this morning. There would have to be compromise and the Dublin Meath saga could never happen again but after such a high profile game yesterday the GAA will use it to make a slight change again imo.

The world of finance? The GAA are turning down lucrative replays here. For once, we can't throw the finance thing at them

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 09:21:17 AM »

Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run

I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.

We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).

The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.

Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.

Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well

I guess at the minute replays are gone but it isn't a rule can never be reviewed again. We try things and review them which is the right thing to do.

There is a huge opinion out there this morning that deciding an All Ireland QF on penalties was wrong led by a football legend and Galway manager who won them yesterday.

It needs a review and in my opinion I fully expect they will be reviewed in the wider split season discussion. It is a football side of things people disagree with it on but from a business viewpoint the GAA lost at least 30,000 ticket sales depending on what venue would of been available, is this sustainable when the reason for the split season isn't having the planned effect ie inter county players immediately returning to their clubs earlier!

We're trying to find the perfect system and there will be some trial and error over the next few years with it, my guess is replays will be included throughout the All Ireland series going forward with space found to accommdate them.

We already tried frees from outside the D and other things. We need a winner, penalties are quick, and we got one. Can't see what's to review here, there's now no space in the calendar. All the other options people have offered or on TSG are far worse than the penalties. It's harsh like I say, but the best option overall when we have to finish on the day.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 08:54:12 AM »

Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run

I agree you make the rules at the start so yesterday had to be decided that way. However when the plan becomes reality and you see an epic game in the All Ireland series going that way, with players cramping up some common sense has to take over.

We are not soccer and these are not professional players, they give a huge commitment to their county and getting to the All Ireland series takes a lot of hard work. The All Ireland Final has replays, my point is this needs and I expect will be extended to at least one replay throughout the All Ireland series ( QF onwards).

The inter county season will have to be extended by a few weeks but from a marketing perspective this season's championships have been a disaster so I expect All Ireland Finals to be pushed back into August anyhow after a review so there is space.

Amateur players have every right to take up opportunities in America but it shows a lot will use the short season for this benefit other than return straight back to the clubs, obviously not every players does this but the numbers are high. This is unlikely to be lost on the GAA when they review the split season dates and that is another reason I think we'll see All Ireland Finals being played in August.

Replays are done, we've known about it this year and need to accept it. Yes, we're not soccer, but penalties have been a part of our game for ages now, so it's not like it's something not from the game. With the calendar we set out, and load on players, it's finish on the day and we just need to get with it. It's harsh, but we know our winners now. They tried other things and they didn't work as well

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Using penalties for the margin of victory is a bit odd, as they were not all taken.

Armagh didn't get to take their fourth penalty, so it should be awarded to them. Hence the penalties result was Galway 4 - 2 Armagh

They say up above that they still call it as a one point win so makes no odds either way

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 08:27:43 AM »
And another thing, if some are going to come up with other ideas, at least put some thought into them. Next score wins? 2 scores in a row? How on earth is this meant to be implemented fairly. What if there's a gale wind favouring one team? Penalties are tough, but are fair as you get your chances to take and save them. And it gets finished within a certain period of time.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: Today at 08:25:14 AM »
Some one has to be disappointed. Dragging this out for another week for Amateur players is wrong. If you are good enough to win over 70+ or 90+ minutes then good. If not you can't have any complaints going out to penalties.

Media sources will say otherwise because they want to sell more papers, podcasts, TV advertising etc.

I'd disagree, it was unfair on amateur players and a lost opportunity for football as a whole. We probably can't allow two replays so a decide on the day rule could possibly be brought in for the replay, but if it's a draw after extra time on match one it should be a replay, amateur players deserve that at least.

Football hasn't had a great season overall a replay would have increased interest across the country, who wouldn't have watched Armagh Galway part 2. The fact a lot of inter county players have headed stateside which they're right to do shows the idea of the spilt season hasn't had the expected benefit for clubs.

I don't expect next season QF's to be decided on pens on day 1, I think they'll find room in the schedule for at least one replay after such a high profile, epic game went that way yesterday.

Where do you get the time for replays? Like honestly, where? Is it only for quarter finals onwards, what about provincials? Simply put, with the new calendar, we've no place. Sure, there's a weekend coming up next, but that's set for hurling, and if we did decide to throw in a replay, one team would be out 3 weekends in a row. And wasn't next weekend always set as a day off? What if the players had something organised, and would have to cancel and such. Look, penalties are harsh enough way, but we all knew before the season started that it was this way, no replays. We'll get used to it. It's better this way in the long run

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 26, 2022, 06:02:38 PM »
Ibrox has nothing to do with it

45s might be more suitable, there are generally more 45s in a game then penalties.
Many more players would be more comfortable kicking a penalty than a 45.

Not too many would score a 45 at the end of extra time.

And not many players can take one. It's a rare skill. Penalties can be taken by practically any player. They make more sense

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