The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here.
I was hoping for Derry (no offence to their supporters).
We don't have much of a chance v Kerry. Ah well.
QuoteRe: Derry v Mayo AIQF 25th June
The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here
Some spoofer for one spoofer
Yes. I had a few beers on board last night :)
Tough draw for Dublin ;)
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2022, 12:05:31 AM
The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here.
I was hoping for Derry (no offence to their supporters).
We don't have much of a chance v Kerry. Ah well.
We were hoping to get Mayo.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 13, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2022, 12:05:31 AM
The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here.
I was hoping for Derry (no offence to their supporters).
We don't have much of a chance v Kerry. Ah well.
We were hoping to get Mayo.
thats what monaghan and kildare said
Hard to see us winning this one to be honest.
Mayo are unfortunately capable of beating Kerry and Dublin in succession and then losing the final by 2 points to a well drilled and highly motivated Clare .
Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 13, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2022, 12:05:31 AM
The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here.
I was hoping for Derry (no offence to their supporters).
We don't have much of a chance v Kerry. Ah well.
We were hoping to get Mayo.
thats what monaghan and kildare said
Who sent Monaghan your way?
I would fear a bit for Mayo against Kerry, the scoreline could get nasty here.
Its Mayo and we'd be foolish to write them off, I do think their chances will depend on the availability of Ryan O'Donoghue; Got to remember they were without Durcan, Mullan & Eoghan McLoughlin in the league final.
Mayo clearly going to have too play a lot better then they did last Saturday night but if they can get to half time and it still be close then their more then capable of winning it.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
I would fear a bit for Mayo against Kerry, the scoreline could get nasty here.
No knock out championship match for Mayo was nasty under Horan and ill be surprised if that changes here.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 13, 2022, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on June 13, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 13, 2022, 09:07:00 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 13, 2022, 12:05:31 AM
The most likely draw tomorrow to bring in the cash for the GAA so a preemptive thread here.
I was hoping for Derry (no offence to their supporters).
We don't have much of a chance v Kerry. Ah well.
We were hoping to get Mayo.
thats what monaghan and kildare said
Who sent Monaghan your way?
maybe derrys run of success need re-examination after tyrone Monahan and esp. Donegal quick demise.
All 3 looked tired and well passed their best.
tyrone seem to have massive internal problems with so many players deserting a team that just won the all ireland.
mind you at to have a similar malaise but have more character
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
I would fear a bit for Mayo against Kerry, the scoreline could get nasty here.
Its always possible that Mayo could get a batin' especially given the performance against Kildare wasnt the best, but I wouldnt read too much into the league final. Vastly different team out last Saturday than the league final and if JH starts some of those who impressed from the bench that day even different again
I could see it being like the Dublin game Mayo had few years ago at semi or quaretr stage where they were decent for a good while then O'Callaghan put them away.
2019? different team to be fair, a good few retirements after that match, rebuilding since. As in rebuilding but still got to 2 all ireland finals
Yeah different team but not convinced different outcome. Would love to see Mayo beat Kerry tbh and stranger things have happened but I just don't think the current team is quite good enough.
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
There is a chance allbeit a small one. They are considerably more likely to beat Kerry at this stage than they would be in a final.
Until they prove otherwise, Kerry are flat track bullies, and especially so among their forward line.
This thread is pretty much a year ago vs Tyrone here. Tyrone had no chance last year and look what happened. Whether it happens again here remains to be seen but Kerry plenty to prove to themselves as much as anyone else.
Very slim chance of us winning, if it were a shit day with a greasy surface and we had ROD back then I'd give us a 40% shout.
In relation to drawing Derry from the pot, this was more to be on the easier side of the draw.
As a poster said, it's hard to say where Ulster championship standard is at, Donegal downed tools the last day, shur Patton and McBrearty were picked up on the camera on the bench f**king and blinding at each other.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 04:22:01 PM
This thread is pretty much a year ago vs Tyrone here. Tyrone had no chance last year and look what happened. Whether it happens again here remains to be seen but Kerry plenty to prove to themselves as much as anyone else.
Imagine a thread the year before that on the Kerry Cork Munster final. This Kerry team still have a lot to prove on the big day.
;D Good point.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2022, 04:17:45 PM
Until they prove otherwise, Kerry are flat track bullies, and especially so among their forward line.
Yeah hard to argue with that. When was last time they beat a big team in the championship?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0613/1304589-mcstay-mercurial-mayo-running-on-fumes/
Kevin McStay has said that "mercurial" Mayo are running on fumes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlKo6OUS6j0
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
Outside of the the two Cliffords and Sean O'Shea I don't think the Kerry forwards are particularly special, apart from the replay against Dublin in 2019 Geaney hasn't been great for years.
A fit Conroy & O'Donoghue would walk into that Kerry team.
Mayo have been written off time and time again and people are acting like Kerry are the equivalent to the Dublin team that won 6 in a row. I appreciate Mayo haven't looked great in the championship but their more than capable of getting a lot more out of this team and wouldn't be the greatest shock in the world if Mayo won, this Kerry team have choked before.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
David Clifford and Sean O'Shea are great players, none of these other players are anything special at the rarefied level of the best of the best. If they weren't wearing the kerry jersey they would definitely not be classed as any better than Cillian OConnor, Aiden O'Shea, Kevin McLaughlin or O'Donoghue.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
Outside of the the two Cliffords and Sean O'Shea I don't think the Kerry forwards are particularly special, apart from the replay against Dublin in 2019 Geaney hasn't been great for years.
A fit Conroy & O'Donoghue would walk into that Kerry team.
Mayo have been written off time and time again and people are acting like Kerry are the equivalent to the Dublin team that won 6 in a row. I appreciate Mayo haven't looked great in the championship but their more than capable of getting a lot more out of this team and wouldn't be the greatest shock in the world if Mayo won, this Kerry team have choked before.
I don't think this Kerry team is anything special either.
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
David Clifford and Sean O'Shea are great players, none of these other players are anything special at the rarefied level of the best of the best. If they weren't wearing the kerry jersey they would definitely not be classed as any better than Cillian OConnor, Aiden O'Shea, Kevin McLaughlin or O'Donoghue.
Its all opinions but McLaughlin, while he WAS a good player is no longer getting a start. Aidan O'Shea has never performed when it really mattered and has been vastly overrated. Cillian O'Connor is a good free taker and finisher but as an all round player is nothing special. O'Donoghue does have the potential to be a very good player but is currently injured and the same with Conroy. So I don't see where Mayo can get anywhere near the 20 points required to win most big championship games.
O'Shea and Clifford are top 6 in the country and I think as a link player in the half forward line, the other Clifford is very close to that level as well. The other players whilst not at that level of the top forwards in Ireland, would still easily get into the Mayo side along with the 2 Spillanes and Brosnan.
On paper this Kerry team is by far and away the best in the country. Although if and a massive if, you can keep Clifford quiet you have a serious chance and as someone else said, the game isn't played on paper.
Kerry in previous years have had the ability but have bottled it when the pressure was on, Dublin in the drawn final, Cork in 2020 and Tyrone last year. They obviously haven't been tested this year and a quarter final is the best place to get them. If they get off to a good start and get a lead early on it could end up similar to the league final, but if its anyway tight going into the last 10, Mayo should have the upper hand- they've been grinding out tight wins for years (other than finals) whereas Kerry might just have that bit of doubt start to creep in. Clifford won't be given the freedom of Croke park this time either when he give poor O'Hora the run around. Having said that, Kerry do seem to have that extra bit of nastiness and dirt in them this year under the new set up that any winning teams needs, wether they'll have it when the pressures on remains to be seen.
Definitely harder to call than most people think. Going to be a cracker.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 15, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on June 15, 2022, 09:47:07 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Just compare the 2 forward lines on paper and there are few, if any, Mayo players would get into the Kerry side. That has been Mayo's achilles heel for years. They simply don't have the firepower needed to win this match.
As the old saying goes, games aren't played on paper.
What have any of those Kerry forwards proved in championship football to be given the status you are bestowing on them or for you to say they are better than the mayo forwards?
If you are talking about winning All Irelands there will always be a doubt around the current Kerry side until they actually win it. However the 2 Cliffords, O'Shea, Geaney, Moynihan and O'Brien are better than anything that Mayo have bar possibly Diarmuid O'Connor. Not to mention a few very useful subs to bring off the bench. So I don't doubt their individual abilities but there may be a doubt around their collective ability to get over the line in a tight match.
Tyrone beat them last year and Cork the previous year once off matches and nobody would suggest that they had the same quality in their forward lines either, so there is a glimmer of hope for Mayo if they can keep it close enough for as long as possible and sow some more doubt in Kerrys minds. I haven't seen anything from Mayo to suggest that they are capable of this though and Kerry will certainly not be undone by complacency and preparation upheaval like they were in the last 2 years. I can only see a comfortable Kerry win here.
Outside of the the two Cliffords and Sean O'Shea I don't think the Kerry forwards are particularly special, apart from the replay against Dublin in 2019 Geaney hasn't been great for years.
A fit Conroy & O'Donoghue would walk into that Kerry team.
Mayo have been written off time and time again and people are acting like Kerry are the equivalent to the Dublin team that won 6 in a row. I appreciate Mayo haven't looked great in the championship but their more than capable of getting a lot more out of this team and wouldn't be the greatest shock in the world if Mayo won, this Kerry team have choked before.
The Dublin 6 in a row team was a once in a lifetime team and will probably never be eclipsed so nobody is saying that. Simply that Mayos achilles heel for years has been their forward line and they have never adequately resolved that issue. They produce big powerful athletic runners from the middle third but not enough good kick passers and inside forwards to complement that. Therefore they are one dimensional. It is as much about Mayos deficiencies as it is about any perceived greatness of Kerry. Kerry still have to prove they can get the job done at the business end of the championship but I do think that they will do it this year and will then have the right age profile to go on to win multiple All Irelands. Every year they fail to win it though the doubts will only grow.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 15, 2022, 12:14:57 PM
Aidan O'Shea has never performed when it really mattered and has been vastly overrated. Cillian O'Connor is a good free taker and finisher but as an all round player is nothing special.
Careful with those opinions around the Mayo folk.
Mayos achilles heel for the last ten years in beaten AI semi finals and finals has been conceding goals and many of them sloppy laps on concentration goals. Against Donegal 2012,Dublin 2013,Kerry in the replay 2014,Dublin in the replay 2015, Dublin in the replay 2016, Dublin in 2017, Dublin in 2019, Dublin in 2020 and Tyrone last year. 9 matches and 19 goals conceded
On the flip side Mayo's best championship wins in recent years Dublin 2021, replay against Kerry 2017, Tyrone 2016, Donegal 2014 etc no goal was conceded.
Was saying tonight. Kerry would have enjoyed playing against Mayo the past decade as it was largely shackle free and disjointed, and came down to a couple of individual battles. Whereas Dublin (even though they won them all til last year) wouldn't have enjoyed playing Mayo due a combination of being a rare physical match, but also quite unhinged and difficult to plan for.
Kerry are seemingly moving towards a Dublin type structure. Hold the lines, counter attack with pace, and trust that your inside forwards are better. Problem for Kerry's mgt is that Mayo are less likely to be fazed by meeting such a system, than Kerry might be when facing random chaos.
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Mayo never needed more than a couple of scoring forwards to keep the greatest team in history in their sights at all times.
Kerry aren't at that level. Whereas Mayo really aren't far away from their peak teams, especially so if Durcan and Mullin reach their peak levels.
If Mayo romp at that them with maverick determination they'll either win, or lose because of a couple of mad, never seen before defensive mistakes.
That's my take.
There is only going to be one winner.
Quote from: greensandgold1 on June 17, 2022, 01:43:30 AM
There is only going to be one winner.
That's usually the way with every game and especially nowadays where games are decided on the day.
Quote from: greensandgold1 on June 17, 2022, 01:43:30 AM
There is only going to be one winner.
Troll alert
schools out for Summer
lets settle this about Cillian he's not a 'good player' he is the greatest scoring forward we have seen
he has scored the most overall
he has score the most goals
he has scored the most points
he ha the best average score equal with the great Matt Connor who unfortunately had a much Shorter Career
hes 140 points ahead of his closest still playing rival Dean Rock
Yerrah, dont be daft and throwing owl facts and statistics in the way. Reasons why you are talking complete nonsense:
1. He doesnt play for Kerry so his scores dont count as much as Kerry forwards, even score he gets is automatically discounted by 66% as hes not a Kerry forward. Do your sums now Mr facts and figures and see what you get!
2. THe Sunday Game said Mayo have no "marquee forwards" so thats that knocked on the head
3. He never won an all ireland so cant be any good. All of the lads who did even if there were number 30 on a one hit wonder team that were never seen again are miles better than him.
Quote from: iorras on June 17, 2022, 11:37:12 AM
Yerrah, dont be daft and throwing owl facts and statistics in the way. Reasons why you are talking complete nonsense:
1. He doesnt play for Kerry so his scores dont count as much as Kerry forwards, even score he gets is automatically discounted by 66% as hes not a Kerry forward. Do your sums now Mr facts and figures and see what you get!
2. THe Sunday Game said Mayo have no "marquee forwards" so thats that knocked on the head
3. He never won an all ireland so cant be any good. All of the lads who did even if there were number 30 on a one hit wonder team that were never seen again are miles better than him.
https://youtu.be/IRumMCYhqwY
Quote from: iorras on June 17, 2022, 11:37:12 AM
Yerrah, dont be daft and throwing owl facts and statistics in the way. Reasons why you are talking complete nonsense:
1. He doesnt play for Kerry so his scores dont count as much as Kerry forwards, even score he gets is automatically discounted by 66% as hes not a Kerry forward. Do your sums now Mr facts and figures and see what you get!
2. THe Sunday Game said Mayo have no "marquee forwards" so thats that knocked on the head
3. He never won an all ireland so cant be any good. All of the lads who did even if there were number 30 on a one hit wonder team that were never seen again are miles better than him.
I apologize ive here long enough that Facts are the kinda muck people throw out when they have lost the argument
Welll done seafoid . Ive no idea whose side your on but i had a bit of a dance around the room anyway
The reality is Mayo win games they should lose and lose games they should win
They could come out a week from Sunday and surprise everyone
It won't be lost on Mayo, that we (Tyrone) took a bigger tanking from Kerry in last year's League Semi than they've taken in this year's League Final, only to beat them in the Championship in 2021 a few weeks later.
Ergo, a Mayo win wouldn't be particularly surprising, if somewhat unlikely.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 17, 2022, 01:48:06 PM
It won't be lost on Mayo, that we (Tyrone) took a bigger tanking from Kerry in last year's League Semi than they've taken in this year's League Final, only to beat them in the Championship in 2021 a few weeks later.
Ergo, a Mayo win wouldn't be particularly surprising, if somewhat unlikely.
Or that Kerry have a long wait for this game. What Kerrys starting forwards scored from play in the All-Ireland semi final last year.
Dara Moynihan, Seán O'Shea (0-01), Stephen O'Brien; David Clifford (0-06) , Paul Geaney (0-01), Paudie Clifford (0-02).
If David Clifford is out injured or not up to speed after his injury lay off i could well see Mayo holding Kerry to manageable score especially with good man markers in Keegan and Durcan.
All the above is true, however if Mayo go for spells without scoring like the Kildare, Monaghan and Galway games in the championship and indeed the league final drubbing then it's immaterial as to who picks up who or whatever. Mayo have 'momentum' of beating Kildare and Monaghan, but will need to up their game for longer spells so it doesn't turn ugly for us. Have the players the capabilities to do so, we'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 17, 2022, 05:49:12 PM
All the above is true, however if Mayo go for spells without scoring like the Kildare, Monaghan and Galway games in the championship and indeed the league final drubbing then it's immaterial as to who picks up who or whatever. Mayo have 'momentum' of beating Kildare and Monaghan, but will need to up their game for longer spells so it doesn't turn ugly for us. Have the players the capabilities to do so, we'll have to wait and see.
We all know that they do have the ability!
It seems that Jacko is on a mission this year to bring Sam home to the kingdom.
He will not be denied
Quote from: greensandgold1 on June 17, 2022, 11:49:22 PM
It seems that Jacko is on a mission this year to bring Sam home to the kingdom.
He will not be denied
You reckon? I thought he'd be happy with Munster and League Titles?
David Clifford “should be okay” for Sunday’s All-Ireland SFC quarter-final against Mayo, manager Jack O’Connor has said.
The Kingdom boss confirmed on Monday evening that there are no injury doubts hanging over the three-time All-Star and that Clifford has trained away with the panel since the Munster final win over Limerick four weeks ago.
Clifford missed because of a calf injury picked up during the semi-final win over Cork.
“He’s trained since the Munster final, so he should be okay,”
Corner-back Dylan Casey has been ruled out for the remainder of the inter-county season because of an ankle injury sustained late on in the Munster final.
“He is gone for a couple of months, he has had an operation on his ankle"
Meanwhile the Con telegraph are reporting the Ryan O'Donoghue is expected to return from injury this Sunday.
Con Telegraph reports, so that means hes out until the national league next season
Quote from: iorras on June 21, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Con Telegraph reports, so that means hes out until the national league next season
surely he'll be fit, how long ago was Cork game?
89 was Mayo's first all Ireland final in a very long time. At the time Connacht and Ulstervteams had a chance once every 3 years to get to the final.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2022, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: iorras on June 21, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Con Telegraph reports, so that means hes out until the national league next season
surely he'll be fit, how long ago was Cork game?
of course he will that was a month ago.
he will score 1-5 next Sunday.
Quote from: greensandgold1 on June 22, 2022, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2022, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: iorras on June 21, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Con Telegraph reports, so that means hes out until the national league next season
surely he'll be fit, how long ago was Cork game?
of course he will that was a month ago.
he will score 1-5 next Sunday.
Only 1-5? Reports he's going well in training and is expected to score 2-15 per game for the next three games. :(
Mayo for Sam 2022
Quote from: greensandgold1 on June 22, 2022, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 21, 2022, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: iorras on June 21, 2022, 10:03:38 PM
Con Telegraph reports, so that means hes out until the national league next season
surely he'll be fit, how long ago was Cork game?
of course he will that was a month ago.
he will score 1-5 next Sunday.
I honestly don't see Kerry winning without him and if he goes off injured with the game in the melting pot like Tyrone last year they could be in trouble.
Bit of travel info for anyone travelling from Mayo via the N5 this weekend.
https://roscommonherald.ie/2022/06/16/n5-closed-between-tulsk-and-bellanagare/
Rumours Oisín Mullin is injured again.
Mullin named to start.
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Kerry, David Clifford named to start.
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Coen, AOS and COC all starting together gives Kerry a speed advantage.
If Clifford doesn't play, can see the wideboys doing a Tyrone '08 in the quarters and announcing themselves as contenders.
No ROD, or Darren McHale on the bench.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2022, 01:21:38 PM
No ROD, or Darren McHale on the bench.
The Mayo bench.
Rory Byrne, Padraig O'Hora, Rory Brickenden, Donnacha McHugh, Conor O'Shea, Fergal Boland, Aiden Orme, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLoughlin, Mark Moran, Paul Towey.
I'm lucky to have the 'luxury' of having a sister living in the capital so I came up last night after the minor game.
Safe travels to all the fans travelling today from all four counties involved. On the game itself, I have tried to imagine a scenario of a Mayo win, but I can't. I don't expect our lads to have a league final flop either, but simply Kerry's forwards are better than ours and will probably do the business that bit better. We'll probably know after 10 minutes or so how it'll pan out, i.e. if Mayo are trailing by 2 points and fighting for every ball that goes their way, then it could be interesting. If Mayo find themselves in a 5 or 6 point deficit, then it could be worse. If Mayo are 5 or 6 points up, then anything I say above is irrelavant in this paragraph. ;D
A lot of people from other counties rate Keegan very highly. Everyone in Mayo does. I just hope it's not his last day in the Green and Red (or black and blue as it'll be today). I'm not suggesting he will retire after this year, but time and tide waits for no man. Neither does the chance of winning an All-Ireland medal. Up Mayo.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2022, 07:44:59 AM
I'm lucky to have the 'luxury' of having a sister living in the capital so I came up last night after the minor game.
Safe travels to all the fans travelling today from all four counties involved. On the game itself, I have tried to imagine a scenario of a Mayo win, but I can't. I don't expect our lads to have a league final flop either, but simply Kerry's forwards are better than ours and will probably do the business that bit better. We'll probably know after 10 minutes or so how it'll pan out, i.e. if Mayo are trailing by 2 points and fighting for every ball that goes their way, then it could be interesting. If Mayo find themselves in a 5 or 6 point deficit, then it could be worse. If Mayo are 5 or 6 points up, then anything I say above is irrelavant in this paragraph. ;D
A lot of people from other counties rate Keegan very highly. Everyone in Mayo does. I just hope it's not his last day in the Green and Red (or black and blue as it'll be today). I'm not suggesting he will retire after this year, but time and tide waits for no man. Neither does the chance of winning an All-Ireland medal. Up Mayo.
If we get knocked out I'll be cheering for Mayo. That man deserves his all ireland. Absolute warrior, total class act.
QuoteRory Byrne, Padraig O'Hora, Rory Brickenden, Donnacha McHugh, Conor O'Shea, Fergal Boland, Aiden Orme, Jason Doherty, Kevin McLoughlin, Mark Moran, Paul Towey.
Knowing JH he will probably put Mark Moran on with 3 mins to go when we are 6 points down.
This will be hard viewing for us today I reckon, then again they've surprised and surpassed expectations before . The shit weather might suit the like of Coen, Flynn, AOS and the O'Connors. Bring on those thunder showers ...
Are things really as negative among the broad Mayo support as Malachy Clerkin is saying in his weekend piece?
I guess like anything its all relative and its about expectations and what you're used to, and last year's final had to be a serious gut punch, but most counties would kill to have the team Mayo do.
The Donegal public has turned in a similar way, but we're not getting to AI finals and semis every year.
The people Clerkin was quoting said it was about the style of football, so I guess that's a common detail in what's turning people off (not saying the styles are similar as I'd love Donegal to be as aggressive and dynamic as Mayo often are).
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2022, 12:51:52 PM
Are things really as negative among the broad Mayo support as Malachy Clerkin is saying in his weekend piece?
I guess like anything its all relative and its about expectations and what you're used to, and last year's final had to be a serious gut punch, but most counties would kill to have the team Mayo do.
The Donegal public has turned in a similar way, but we're not getting to AI finals and semis every year.
The people Clerkin was quoting said it was about the style of football, so I guess that's a common detail in what's turning people off (not saying the styles are similar as I'd love Donegal to be as aggressive and dynamic as Mayo often are).
Ah, you can have only so much of semi-finals and finals without an definitive end product. It's about time the Mayo fan got angry. The
it's all about the journey has worn thin.
Today is the day for AOS, stick him on David Moran
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 26, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
Today is the day for AOS, stick him on David Moran
Wil moran start?
Moran even playing? . Nobody harder on mayo players than their supporters. I think, if they can find a scoring full forward, Conroy bck nxt Year, Mayo, still be difficult to beat. The years of close calls are used to beat this teams with, but Dublin would beat any other team in those years when they won 8/10 titles .Mayo to me could won 2/3 in a different Era.
4:45pm throw in time now.
McLoughlin in for James Carr only change for Mayo.
What time are we throwing in?
I thought Clifford would be rest for the semi final. Mayo players usually fill their togs at the sight of kerry jersey in Croke Park. Took a replay to beat a poor Kerry team in 2017.
How is O'Shea playing? Will be destoyed
Quote from: TheMistro on June 26, 2022, 05:01:45 PM
How is O'Shea playing? Will be destoyed
Got a great point there.
Clifford looks gone
Morrisey 'it looked like it was in the back of the net because the net rattled....err.....no it didn't lol
what was kerrys starting odds to win
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 05:10:18 PM
Clifford looks gone
Doesn't look good for him. Game played on Mayos terms thus far although Geaney missed a good goal scoring opportunity.
Moving with a bit more freedom now.
He's definitely not moving well!
Will they persist with an immobile Clifford?
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
He's definitely not moving well!
Will they persist with an immobile Clifford?
::)
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
He's definitely not moving well!
Will they persist with an immobile Clifford?
Yeah they should maybe keep him on 😳😳
Bit of magic from Clifford when he looked injured and out of the game. What was that Aidan O'Shea black card for?
Kerry not playing well here at all!
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 05:33:39 PM
Kerry not playing well here at all!
They don't play with any patience, always forcing it. They'll not win the all Ireland unless they fix that.
Interesting precedent with that black card
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 05:33:39 PM
Kerry not playing well here at all!
That would be because they're not that good at all, when they meet a hungry team.
Will likely still win but they're not winning Sam this year.
Going from Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice, to Marty Morrissey and Kevin McStay is a serious downgrade... tough listen atm
Kerry 1-7 Mayo 0-9. Strange half i think Mayo more controlled looking team and will be disappointed to find themselves a point down at the break.
Kerry relying on individualism they'll need a better team performance in order to overcome Mayo.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 26, 2022, 05:40:49 PM
Going from Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice, to Marty Morrissey and Kevin McStay is a serious downgrade... tough listen atm
Could be worse, could be Paul Earley.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 26, 2022, 05:40:49 PM
Going from Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice, to Marty Morrissey and Kevin McStay is a serious downgrade... tough listen atm
McStay hated the 2012 to 2019 Mayo team. And it told in his analysis and co-commentary. He's not as bad now, but there are still enough left of that squad for him to dislike us.
Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 26, 2022, 05:40:49 PM
Going from Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice, to Marty Morrissey and Kevin McStay is a serious downgrade... tough listen atm
Yeah, Maloney and Fitzmaurice are good. Enjoyable.
Éamonn never misses a double bounce!
Romesh Ranganathan And Tom Davis attempting to kick points at half-time was quite bizarre!
Over 71k the attendance a pity the majority of supporters from the first game has headed home.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 05:55:09 PM
Over 71k the attendance a pity the majority of supporters from the first game has headed home.
Still a decent crowd here. A lot of Armagh's supporters have stayed on.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 05:55:09 PM
Over 71k the attendance a pity the majority of supporters from the first game has headed home.
They can't be hanging around Dublin on a Sunday evening, jobs have to be gone to tomorrow.
hopefully mayo do it because that will mean more talk about getting rid of provincials maybe
Two really poor misses from Ruane. Costly.
Some poor misses from Mayo
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 26, 2022, 05:51:02 PM
Romesh Ranganathan And Tom Davis attempting to kick points at half-time was quite bizarre!
Eh?
Kerry would be very ordinary without Clifford.
Never a 'Mark' there for Clifford - Pass to short.
this is a hard watch
Better bench and team with the best fitness a likely decider here. 52 minutes played Kerry 1-11 Mayo 0-12.
Perfect game for Kerry going into next week. Would take Clifford off to rest for next week.
Quote from: J70 on June 26, 2022, 06:07:50 PM
Some poor misses from Mayo
Yep, they're throwing it away really. Still not out of it if they sharpen up a bit
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Quote from: Silkyskillssunshinee on June 26, 2022, 05:40:49 PM
Going from Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice, to Marty Morrissey and Kevin McStay is a serious downgrade... tough listen atm
Could be worse, could be Paul Earley.
Earley is a far far superior co-comm than McStay.
Marty and McStay are dreadful
Mayo fading badly. The usual fan noise that drives them on in the last quarter is sadly missing
Very surprised how poor both teams are passed going astray balls spilled a lot of slow lateral play without any purpose. Mayo's trademark intensity missing and Kerry just keeping them at arm's length without being brilliant.
Looks like the end for Mayo.
The journey started over a decade ago in Longford.
So many tantalising days.
Just too easy for Kerry.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 06:23:19 PM
Mayo fading badly. The usual fan noise that drives them on in the last quarter is sadly missing
The Apathy has kicked in.
mayo let him run up the middle there
This Mayo teams time would seem to have passed. Can't see them next nor near winning an AI in the next few years.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2022, 06:24:23 PM
Looks like the end for Mayo.
The journey started over a decade ago in Longford.
So many tantalising days.
It all ended 5 years ago in 2017. How do you think Galway beat us this year? ;D
Such biased reffing for Kerry tho. Kerry players looking to him for frees and he's obliging every time
12 points. 11 wides. Not sure how many short. But 50% or less shot rate is very poor. Rest of their game was very good
But makes a laugh of Rochford's final comment on Sky yesterday- "Defence wins games, the attack decide by how much" - codswallop!
Can't see Kerry beating Dublin
That was shite!
Will RTE give it as much abuse as the Ulster Final??
Doubt it!!
Impressive and controlling 2nd half performance by Kerry. The improvement they have made defensively under Jack O'Connor is clear to see. FT Kerry 1-18 Mayo 0-13.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 06:35:46 PM
Impressive and controlling 2nd half performance by Kerry. The improvement they have made defensively under Jack O'Connor is clear to see. FT Kerry 1-18 Mayo 0-13.
Impressive?? What game were you watching??
Spillane twisting the Knife!
Best line is ''This Mayo team will never win an All Ireland''.
No Sh1t Sherlock!
Jez, we couldn't win it when we had a decent team!
Quote from: screenexile on June 26, 2022, 06:38:20 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 06:35:46 PM
Impressive and controlling 2nd half performance by Kerry. The improvement they have made defensively under Jack O'Connor is clear to see. FT Kerry 1-18 Mayo 0-13.
Impressive?? What game were you watching??
Yes impressive. Blocked off the channels. Forced Mayo to shoot from positions they weren't comfortable from, Mayo pace coming from wing half back was nullified and weren't given a sniff of goal chance.
Kerry go on to win this All-Ireland the improvement in defence deserves the most praise.
It would have been hard to match the 1st game today and this one certainly didn't.
Kerry were there for the taking in the 3rd Quarter but the standard rhubarb poor shooting meant they got through it and had a comfortable win in the end.
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 06:35:29 PM
Can't see Kerry beating Dublin
I can but depends on the fitness of David Clifford.
Poor enough showing from Mayo 2nd half looked as flat as the atmosphere. Kerry showed Galway how to close a game out.
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Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2022, 06:24:23 PM:'(
Looks like the end for Mayo.
The journey started over a decade ago in Longford.
So many tantalising days.
It all ended 5 years ago in 2017. How do you think Galway beat us this year? ;D
The tail.was very long
Don't think Kerry would beat Dublin on that performance. Turned over a load of ball to Mayo who couldn't make it count but Dublin won't have that problem. Mayo put plenty of effort in but lacked the quality and creativity needed. There's a few hanging around the squad now that probably need to go and possibly new manager??
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2022, 07:01:46 PM
Don't think Kerry would beat Dublin on that performance. Turned over a load of ball to Mayo who couldn't make it count but Dublin won't have that problem. Mayo put plenty of effort in but lacked the quality and creativity needed. There's a few hanging around the squad now that probably need to go and possibly new manager??
Yep, but Mayo's defence is superior to Dublin's, which hasn't been tested at all yet. Playing Lee Gannon at corner back is the equivalent of playing Niall Scully at corner back but he hasn't had to do any defending! Kerry will change that.
Dublin's forward line is of course far superior to Mayo's, so we would make Kerry pay if they gave us 31 scoring chances. In fairness to Mayo, there is no county who could survive missing their two scoring corner forwards.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2022, 06:24:23 PM:'(
Looks like the end for Mayo.
The journey started over a decade ago in Longford.
So many tantalising days.
It all ended 5 years ago in 2017. How do you think Galway beat us this year? ;D
The tail.was very long
Galway grabbed draws from the jaws of victory today. You need to get rid of that goalkeeper!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2022, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on June 26, 2022, 06:35:29 PM
Can't see Kerry beating Dublin
I can but depends on the fitness of David Clifford.
Poor enough showing from Mayo 2nd half looked as flat as the atmosphere. Kerry showed Galway how to close a game out.
Equally depends on con. On this weekend's showing neither Kerry nor Dublin looked impressive. Dublin without Con have no x-factor, totally uninspiring, dull. Kerry looked equally unimpressive today.
Let's hope Con and Clifford are firing on all cylinders in a few weeks, if that's the case, could be a classic.
If Galway or Derry had played Kerry or Dublin in championship a year or two ago, they would have been beaten before they crossed the white line.
The same can't be said this year, and both should know the winners of that semi have a good chance in the final
I can't see Derry getting beat at this stage
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 07:19:52 PM
If Galway or Derry had played Kerry or Dublin in championship a year or two ago, they would have been beaten before they crossed the white line.
The same can't be said this year, and both should know the winners of that semi have a good chance in the final
Do you think?
At Least Mayo fans got an extra hour in Croke Park and got to see Galway overcome Armagh. So all was not lost! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 07:19:52 PM
If Galway or Derry had played Kerry or Dublin in championship a year or two ago, they would have been beaten before they crossed the white line.
The same can't be said this year, and both should know the winners of that semi have a good chance in the final
Do you think?
Derry or Galway will give a decent account in the final but its hard to see past Dublin or Kerry winning it out. Hopefully Con O'Callaghan and David Clifford are fit for this semi final all neutrals wants to see the best players fare off i presume this upcoming semi final will be a sell out.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2022, 08:30:57 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2022, 07:19:52 PM
If Galway or Derry had played Kerry or Dublin in championship a year or two ago, they would have been beaten before they crossed the white line.
The same can't be said this year, and both should know the winners of that semi have a good chance in the final
Do you think?
Derry or Galway will give a decent account in the final but its hard to see past Dublin or Kerry winning it out. Hopefully Con O'Callaghan and David Clifford are fit for this semi final all neutrals wants to see the best players fare off i presume this upcoming semi final will be a sell out.
Hard to argue with that in fairness.
The end of the previous Mayo cycle
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16514.0
There will be another one kicking off soon
Quote from: seaf ;Doid on June 26, 2022, 09:47:24 PM
The end of the previous Mayo cycle
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=16514.0
There will be another one kicking off soon
This version of Gaaboard is not old enough for you to link The beginning of Galways last cycle. ;D
Where do Mayo go from here? It's a sad way to see one of the great modern managers go, but that has to be time for Horan. Who are the contenders to succeed him?
I still very much expect Dublin to win this out, Kerry did not impress me at all.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 26, 2022, 11:05:08 PM
Where do Mayo go from here? It's a sad way to see one of the great modern managers go, but that has to be time for Horan. Who are the contenders to succeed him?
Great is a bit of a stretch! It's not like he was working with limited resources - financial and natural.
He brought us to a higher place and made thinking of winning Sam the norm.
He did well but he never sealed the deal.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 07:24:30 PM
I can't see Derry getting beat at this stage
I suppose stranger things have happened, but this is a mad statement Fear! I hope you're right though ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 26, 2022, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 26, 2022, 11:05:08 PM
Where do Mayo go from here? It's a sad way to see one of the great modern managers go, but that has to be time for Horan. Who are the contenders to succeed him?
Great is a bit of a stretch! It's not like he was working with limited resources - financial and natural.
He brought us to a higher place and made thinking of winning Sam the norm.
He did well but he never sealed the deal.
The crop of players he managed to bring through 2011-2014, given where the county was in 2010, is probably an under appreciated achievement. Not to mention the fact that we once again seemed to be a spent force in 2018 after the loss to Kildare, Horan came in and brought through another crop of players and reached back to back all Ireland finals.
Horans shortcomings were well known, and ultimately defining on the biggest stage. Its a pity Horan couldn't have worked side by side with a Rochford who could've had strengths that complimented well with Horans. Alas it wasn't to be. That said I find it hard to list of many better managers in the modern era- Jim Gavin, Jim McGuinness, Mickey Harte come to mind.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 07:24:30 PM
I can't see Derry getting beat at this stage
I suppose stranger things have happened, but this is a mad statement Fear! I hope you're right though ;D
I've been right all along . Everything going well , all the other teams have either injuries to key men or potential suspension s hanging over them
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on June 26, 2022, 11:05:47 PM
I still very much expect Dublin to win this out, Kerry did not impress me at all.
Did Dublin impress you against a Cork side who could easily be playing in the Tailteann cup?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 11:56:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 07:24:30 PM
I can't see Derry getting beat at this stage
I suppose stranger things have happened, but this is a mad statement Fear! I hope you're right though ;D
I've been right all along . Everything going well , all the other teams have either injuries to key men or potential suspension s hanging over them
Long may it continue Mistic Meg! Wonder where the foreign holiday be?? Bundoran? ;D
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 11:56:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 26, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 26, 2022, 07:24:30 PM
I can't see Derry getting beat at this stage
I suppose stranger things have happened, but this is a mad statement Fear! I hope you're right though ;D
I've been right all along . Everything going well , all the other teams have either injuries to key men or potential suspension s hanging over them
Long may it continue Mistic Meg! Wonder where the foreign holiday be?? Bundoran? ;D
Lol, I'll pm you the lotto numbers before the weekend
Oh well. It wasn't to be was it?
Especially when you butcher so many chances when you're on top like we did yesterday in the third quarter. Shocking the amount of kicks into the keeper's hands and bad wides. Once Kerry got over that storm, you all know the rest. I'm not sure why we didn't double up on Clifford, the way Kerry doubled up on whoever Mayo had alone inside.
I was extremely disappointed in COC yesterday, and indeed he hasn't been and more than likely won't be the same player pre-injury. I said having him, Coen and AOS would be a speed advantage to Kerry, but Coen and AOS didn't do too bad at all. Ruane had another poor game, as did Kevin Mc, Loftus. I thought Carney snd Flynn the best of the starting forwards as Carney was lively and showing well. Kerry forwards greater than ours, ours were probably the worst of the weekend.
They brought Ciarán Mac to be forwards coach. Either he's not doing things properly, or Horan isn't taking on board the tactics employed by him.
Where do Mayo go from here? More than likely a fallow period as the warriors become less and less.
Mayo have good defenders but play way too open, most of the time one on one. That needs to change, Conroy and Donghue, make a difference but need a new no. 11 and no. 14.Honestly think Mayo should look at a outside manager. What you like for Jim McGuinness
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2022, 08:01:25 AM
Oh well. It wasn't to be was it?
Especially when you butcher so many chances when you're on top like we did yesterday in the third quarter. Shocking the amount of kicks into the keeper's hands and bad wides. Once Kerry got over that storm, you all know the rest. I'm not sure why we didn't double up on Clifford, the way Kerry doubled up on whoever Mayo had alone inside.
I was extremely disappointed in COC yesterday, and indeed he hasn't been and more than likely won't be the same player pre-injury. I said having him, Coen and AOS would be a speed advantage to Kerry, but Coen and AOS didn't do too bad at all. Ruane had another poor game, as did Kevin Mc, Loftus. I thought Carney snd Flynn the best of the starting forwards as Carney was lively and showing well. Kerry forwards greater than ours, ours were probably the worst of the weekend.
They brought Ciarán Mac to be forwards coach. Either he's not doing things properly, or Horan isn't taking on board the tactics employed by him.
Where do Mayo go from here? More than likely a fallow period as the warriors become less and less.
Older players may retire. How mayo do depends on the younger ones. A new team is required to win an all Ireland.
It would be good if Galway and Mayo could push each other on as in the mid 90s on.
No ut feckin wouldn't Seaifín;D
Farr who have ye on the shortlist to replace Horan?
I suppose the Tanned one and McStay are gone past their "best before" dates?
Rochford? Outsider?
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2022, 07:05:36 PM
No ut feckin wouldn't Seaifín;D
Farr who have ye on the shortlist to replace Horan?
I suppose the Tanned one and McStay are gone past their "best before" dates?
Rochford? Outsider?
Ros also benefited. Connacht champions 2001
Quote from: Rossfan on June 27, 2022, 07:05:36 PM
No ut feckin wouldn't Seaifín;D
Farr who have ye on the shortlist to replace Horan?
I suppose the Tanned one and McStay are gone past their "best before" dates?
Rochford? Outsider?
Jim McGuinness?
Thank you James Horan for some great memories, there will now be a number of retirements from the players, COC, the
O'Se's and more. The truth is they are not good enough, we had great chances in 2012 and last year and never took them. I am sick of the same old excuses, " we never got going", "we didn't play as well as we could have" etc. We will now have to wait for this minor team and hope that a good few of these lads come through because this current crop are some way short of what's needed.
I'm surprised at some of the names being bandied about for the Mayo job. Donegal have regressed since they took Rochford in as coach and play a very rigid structured running game that hasn't developed at all. His stock has fallen since he managed Mayo previously.
McGuinness would cost a fortune and is unlikely to give up on soccer having invested the best part of a decade going through courses and taking fairly low profile positions. I doubt if he'll want to be seen as a failure cos if he goes back to Gaelic football I think that's the end of him as far as being a full time soccer coach is concerned. Plus he would have to reinvent himself as a Gaelic football manager since tactics have completely evolved since 2014.
John O'Mahony took on the Galway job in 1998 having managed Leitrim to a Connacht Title in 1994.
Maybe someone with success in the Tailteann Cup... It's not an exact science..
As predicted we have left the championship tamely enough. Our two best forwards out and a very lethargic COC as a starter cost us.
Kerry v Dublin should be a cracker. Cork stayed in the match last weekend by man marking Fenton, once he got more freedom after the break Dublin pulled clear.
I fancy Dublin against Kerry and fancy them to win comfortably (4to5 points), Fenton again will get his spell. Tom O'Sullivan won't be allowed run riot and Dublin have home advantage.
How come rte didn't show numerous replays of the elbow on mayo Diarmuid O'Connor by the kerry DOC. If Ulster player done that would of got the line. The smell of bullshilt of RTE pundits in particular Pat spillane, great calling outs teams/players when kerry are harmed yet when they do it about manning up and brushed under the carpet.
Outside of John O'Mahony and Eugene McGee who is the last outside Manager to win Sam in the last 40 years?
Can't think of anyone. In 1998 O'Mahony was brought in to fix an underperforming team and Nichael Bond from Galway was chosen to replace Babs Keating as manager of can Offaly hurling team that was in chaos.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 28, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
Outside of John O'Mahony and Eugene McGee who is the last outside Manager to win Sam in the last 40 years?
Nobody
God, it's a welcome change Mayo being out of the Championship and nobody bitching and blaming anyone.
Usually the following are to blame:
The Weather
The Curse
The referee
Horan
Some dirty player on the opposing team
Aidan O'Se
Financial doping
Home advantage
Injured players
............................. We've now realised that that boat has sailed and we are just not good enough anymore.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2022, 10:28:42 PM
God, it's a welcome change Mayo being out of the Championship and nobody bitching and blaming anyone.
Usually the following are to blame:
The Weather
The Curse
The referee
Horan
Some dirty player on the opposing team
Aidan O'Se
Financial doping
Home advantage
Injured players
............................. We've now realised that that boat has sailed and we are just not good enough anymore.
It really isn't you know, but each to their own.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2022, 10:28:42 PM
God, it's a welcome change Mayo being out of the Championship and nobody bitching and blaming anyone.
Usually the following are to blame:
The Weather
The Curse
The referee
Horan
Some dirty player on the opposing team
Aidan O'Se
Financial doping
Home advantage
Injured players
............................. We've now realised that that boat has sailed and we are just not good enough anymore.
Sweet baby Jesus. Are you on the Gin?
Quote from: TheMistro on June 29, 2022, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2022, 10:28:42 PM
God, it's a welcome change Mayo being out of the Championship and nobody bitching and blaming anyone.
Usually the following are to blame:
The Weather
The Curse
The referee
Horan
Some dirty player on the opposing team
Aidan O'Se
Financial doping
Home advantage
Injured players
............................. We've now realised that that boat has sailed and we are just not good enough anymore.
Sweet baby Jesus. Are you on the Gin?
no but these are thebandwagon jumping Pricks we have in a noisy minority in mayo.
first sign of adversity and they stick the knife in.
Like all losses there were many reasons Mayo failed to beat Kerry.
the most obvious manifestation of course was the dreadful Attempts at goal by players well able to score in the second half including the Greatest scorer of all time (tm) for the second time in a year
Why that was is the debate . I for one havent any answer maybe when i get the apatite to rewatch it in 6 months I may have some Ideas
Quote from: rosnarun on June 30, 2022, 02:42:58 PM
Quote from: TheMistro on June 29, 2022, 11:54:42 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 29, 2022, 10:28:42 PM
God, it's a welcome change Mayo being out of the Championship and nobody bitching and blaming anyone.
Usually the following are to blame:
The Weather
The Curse
The referee
Horan
Some dirty player on the opposing team
Aidan O'Se
Financial doping
Home advantage
Injured players
............................. We've now realised that that boat has sailed and we are just not good enough anymore.
Sweet baby Jesus. Are you on the Gin?
no but these are thebandwagon jumping Pricks we have in a noisy minority in mayo.
first sign of adversity and they stick the knife in.
Like all losses there were many reasons Mayo failed to beat Kerry.
the most obvious manifestation of course was the dreadful Attempts at goal by players well able to score in the second half including the Greatest scorer of all time (tm) for the second time in a year
Why that was is the debate . I for one havent any answer maybe when i get the apatite to rewatch it in 6 months I may have some Ideas
Highest is a more apt way of describing his achievements.
What's the age profile of the Mayo team ?
I remember in 97 after being beaten by Mayo in Tuam wondering what it would take and what it took was several personnel changes.
When O'Mahony took over there was no room for the likes of John Donnellan , Val Daly and Damien Mitchell who had featured the year before. When a team loses it's because something is wrong somewhere. Their replacements were better. Someone who could replicate the vision and tactical awareness of O'Mahony could be great for Mayo.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 28, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
Outside of John O'Mahony and Eugene McGee who is the last outside Manager to win Sam in the last 40 years?
That's it I believe,
Since 82 the managers IIRC are:
Heffernan, Dwyer, Dwyer, Dwyer, Boylan, Boylan, Morgan
Morgan, McGrath, McIniff, Coleman, McGrath, O'Neill, Boylan, Ó Sé, O'Mahony, Boylan
Ó Sé, O'Mahony, Kernan, Harte, O'Connor, Harte, O'Connor, O'Shea, Harte, O'Connor
Counihan, Gilroy, McGuinness, Gavin, Fitzmaurice, Gavin, Gavin, Gavin, Gavin, Gavin,
Farrell, Dooher/???
All natives bar O'Mahony.
In hurling Cregan and Bond won All-Irelands with Offaly in 94 and 98.
In fact I believe the last 5 All-Irelands Offaly won in football and hurling were with outside managers.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 28, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
Outside of John O'Mahony and Eugene McGee who is the last outside Manager to win Sam in the last 40 years?
Sean Boylan Meath. He a laytrum man.
Quote from: TheMistro on June 30, 2022, 06:23:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 28, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
Outside of John O'Mahony and Eugene McGee who is the last outside Manager to win Sam in the last 40 years?
Sean Boylan Meath. He a laytrum man.
No. Seán Boylan's mother was from Cloone in Leitrim but Seán Snr was from Meath and that's where Seán himself was born.
But Colm O'Rourke was from Laythrum
Ya'd know be the head on him ;D