Why is it that Derry,Tyrone,Armagh,Fermanagh,Antrim,Down, Monaghan,Cavan and Donegal can't get their arse in gear in terms of putting up a challenge to the hegemony of Kilkenny and Limerick in Leinster and Munster?
Discuss.
Quote from: Turf on June 04, 2022, 11:56:42 PM
Why is it that Derry,Tyrone,Armagh,Fermanagh,Antrim,Down, Monaghan,Cavan and Donegal can't get their arse in gear in terms of putting up a challenge to the hegemony of Kilkenny and Limerick in Leinster and Munster?
Discuss.
In Derry mostly football managers at club level and county board only sporadically interested.
Why are the Kilkenny the only county that refuse to even put in a football team. Discuss
Why not put this in the hurling forum. Oh wait nobody posts there because nobody cares about hurling outside 5 counties. A game where the keeper can score from his puckout is hardly worth the attention
Quote from: Turf on June 04, 2022, 11:56:42 PM
Why is it that Derry,Tyrone,Armagh,Fermanagh,Antrim,Down, Monaghan,Cavan and Donegal can't get their arse in gear in terms of putting up a challenge to the hegemony of Kilkenny and Limerick in Leinster and Munster?
Discuss.
Pretty stupid question there are plenty of teams in Munster/Leinster and Connacht who can't mount a challenge either!
Quote from: full moon on June 05, 2022, 01:22:36 PM
Why not put this in the hurling forum. Oh wait nobody posts there because nobody cares about hurling outside 5 counties. A game where the keeper can score from his puckout is hardly worth the attention
Wum
Quote from: full moon on June 05, 2022, 01:22:36 PM
Why not put this in the hurling forum. Oh wait nobody posts there because nobody cares about hurling outside 5 counties. A game where the keeper can score from his puckout is hardly worth the attention
Did the Armagh goalie not kick two points today?
could it be Gaelic football is more related to soccer than hurling and in the north socccer is more popular so you get more of a crossover.
The land is better in Munster and in Kilkenny and Wexford. This is highly correlated with hurling.
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 02:13:42 PM
Quote from: Turf on June 04, 2022, 11:56:42 PM
Why is it that Derry,Tyrone,Armagh,Fermanagh,Antrim,Down, Monaghan,Cavan and Donegal can't get their arse in gear in terms of putting up a challenge to the hegemony of Kilkenny and Limerick in Leinster and Munster?
Discuss.
Pretty stupid question there are plenty of teams in Munster/Leinster and Connacht who can't mount a challenge either!
Sure it's not any more stupid than this thread!
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=30835.0
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:50:53 PM
could it be Gaelic football is more related to soccer than hurling and in the north socccer is more popular so you get more of a crossover.
No.
The game played no part in my life growing up, my local clubs never had teams. I couldn't even tell you who won the All Ireland last year. I don't think the sport is as good as people make out, yes it is fast but that isn't always a good thing, you can barely see the ball and points seem to be too easy to get for those county players.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 05, 2022, 07:17:07 PM
The game played no part in my life growing up, my local clubs never had teams. I couldn't even tell you who won the All Ireland last year. I don't think the sport is as good as people make out, yes it is fast but that isn't always a good thing, you can barely see the ball and points seem to be too easy to get for those county players.
The main reason football is more popular is the same reason soccer is popular wordlwide. It's not difficult to play due to much lower skill set. No equipment needed. Sin é. Hurling is a better sport Imo but needs a lot of time invested
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 05, 2022, 07:17:07 PM
The game played no part in my life growing up
The rest of your post made no sense, so I edited it to make it sensible. you should have just left it at that.
Stupid post ... Munster football final Munster hurling final was night and day as entertainment, the Leinster finals football and hurling was pretty poor this year and Leinster football finals these last 12 plus years have been pants, if you feel they have been entertaining or thrilling then let me know when that was..
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 05, 2022, 07:17:07 PM
The game played no part in my life growing up, my local clubs never had teams. I couldn't even tell you who won the All Ireland last year. I don't think the sport is as good as people make out, yes it is fast but that isn't always a good thing, you can barely see the ball and points seem to be too easy to get for those county players.
If Jim Alister was asked about hurling
That's in all likelihood what he would have put down also
Well done Son
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
Tbh I would imagine county boards are more at fault than clubs. Definitely in a few counties anyway.
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
I agree, I posted that on Derry thread there. Over half of our football all-stars played hurling too. Its very sad to say but when we tell people that we are struggling for numbers here at times in Derry City the response is always "its a soccer city". To an extent there is some truth in that but our biggest obstacle has been a small number of influential gaelic football coaches at club and development squad level telling lads they would be dropped if they played hurling for us. Wiped out a minor team 3-4 years back. Been better since but all it takes is one asshole selling the "dream"
Fear Derry is really sad tbh. There are so many good hurlers in Derry. It just plays second fiddle.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 09:17:59 AM
Fear Derry is really sad tbh. There are so many good hurlers in Derry. It just plays second fiddle.
born in the wrong county lol. Frustrating
Genuine question, a bit unrelated but you get why i'm asking here, is anything being done to try to get Kilkenny competing in National Leagues or All Ireland Football Championship or have they just given up/no interest?
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 09:40:20 AM
Genuine question, a bit unrelated but you get why i'm asking here, is anything being done to try to get Kilkenny competing in National Leagues or All Ireland Football Championship or have they just given up/no interest?
Don't they play in a junior championship along with English teams?
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:41:58 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 09:40:20 AM
Genuine question, a bit unrelated but you get why i'm asking here, is anything being done to try to get Kilkenny competing in National Leagues or All Ireland Football Championship or have they just given up/no interest?
Don't they play in a junior championship along with English teams?
Not sure. Good if they are and hopefully some work being done at underage level to improve things.
Why does a conversation about the lack of Hurling in the whole Provence of Ulster always develop into the lack of football in one county, Kilkenny. Looks like its used as an excuse to continue doing nothing about it.
Why is it specifically about ulster though and why does the poster include counties who do a massive amount of work in hurling?
Connacht bar galway is the same. Leinster have only really a few teams.
Quote from: didlyi on June 06, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Why does a conversation about the lack of Hurling in the whole Provence of Ulster always develop into the lack of football in one county, Kilkenny. Looks like its used as an excuse to continue doing nothing about it.
I asked a genuine question aside from the Ulster question which had already been discussed at length. I can't elaborate much further from what Fear has already said about my own county. The counties of Ulster all compete in the National League and in their various levels of championship in hurling. Kilkenny don't do that in football, which I personally find a bit sad. I asked in hope they had some structures/plans in place to get back to that level.
You're clutching at straws with the bit in bold.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 06, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Why does a conversation about the lack of Hurling in the whole Provence of Ulster always develop into the lack of football in one county, Kilkenny. Looks like its used as an excuse to continue doing nothing about it.
I asked a genuine question aside from the Ulster question which had already been discussed at length. I can't elaborate much further from what Fear has already said about my own county. The counties of Ulster all compete in the National League and in their various levels of championship in hurling. Kilkenny don't do that in football, which I personally find a bit sad. I asked in hope they had some structures/plans in place to get back to that level.
You're clutching at straws with the bit in bold.
They play football in Kilkenny, they just don't allow it to prosper as well as it could, they have had many teams over the years that have dipped their toes into the National leagues but due to the beatings they were getting they failed to be competitive.
Their club football championship is run off early in the year I think and they play intermediate when it goes to club championship in Leinster
As said before they play in the all brit competition and haven't been in the National league since 2012.. They have won 3 Leinster titles, back in the day, more than Fermanagh has won Ulster ;)
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 06, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Why does a conversation about the lack of Hurling in the whole Provence of Ulster always develop into the lack of football in one county, Kilkenny. Looks like its used as an excuse to continue doing nothing about it.
I asked a genuine question aside from the Ulster question which had already been discussed at length. I can't elaborate much further from what Fear has already said about my own county. The counties of Ulster all compete in the National League and in their various levels of championship in hurling. Kilkenny don't do that in football, which I personally find a bit sad. I asked in hope they had some structures/plans in place to get back to that level.
You're clutching at straws with the bit in bold.
Yes its sad that KK dont compete. But what has it to do with Ulster Hurling?
Quote from: didlyi on June 06, 2022, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: didlyi on June 06, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
Why does a conversation about the lack of Hurling in the whole Provence of Ulster always develop into the lack of football in one county, Kilkenny. Looks like its used as an excuse to continue doing nothing about it.
I asked a genuine question aside from the Ulster question which had already been discussed at length. I can't elaborate much further from what Fear has already said about my own county. The counties of Ulster all compete in the National League and in their various levels of championship in hurling. Kilkenny don't do that in football, which I personally find a bit sad. I asked in hope they had some structures/plans in place to get back to that level.
You're clutching at straws with the bit in bold.
Yes its sad that KK dont compete. But what has it to do with Ulster Hurling?
Nothing. I've already said as much in my original post.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 06, 2022, 11:40:14 AM
They play football in Kilkenny, they just don't allow it to prosper as well as it could, they have had many teams over the years that have dipped their toes into the National leagues but due to the beatings they were getting they failed to be competitive.
Their club football championship is run off early in the year I think and they play intermediate when it goes to club championship in Leinster
As said before they play in the all brit competition and haven't been in the National league since 2012.. They have won 3 Leinster titles, back in the day, more than Fermanagh has won Ulster ;)
They don't technically play in the All British championship any more.
Starting this year New York and Kilkenny are in the semi-finals of the Junior All-Ireland against the winner and runner-up of the British Championship.
Semi-final is a Friday and the final on a Sunday next month. {In case New York win their semi-final}
Will be interesting to see what way results go in this.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:50:53 PM
could it be Gaelic football is more related to soccer than hurling and in the north socccer is more popular so you get more of a crossover.
No, nothing to do with it
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
Quote from: full moon on June 05, 2022, 01:21:15 PM
Why are the Kilkenny the only county that refuse to even put in a football team. Discuss
There is more club football played in Kilkenny than club hurling is played in Tyrone, Fermanagh etc.
No surprise there as there isnt even a county league in either of those counties.
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..
"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"
Are you a GAA club or a football only club? Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club
Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
Clare as an example has a population of approx 100k with respect shown to both codes albeit Hurling is stronger. I accept that some smaller counties find it difficult enough to compete at even one code and that asking them to promote another can be a big ask. But there are 18 counties in Ireland larger in population than Clare. Excuses!
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
Sweet jesus
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..
"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"
Are you a GAA club or a football only club? Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club
Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer
Here, here!! Well said.
That's a really sad post :( Hurling is part of the GAA and kids should be afforded the chance to play it. My dad told me about committee meetings in our club in the early 80s where there attitudes just like that. Thankfully that attitude died out.
Playing hurling will probably help them at football too.
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
Hurling Nazis
You need to cop yourself on lad
Although your not alone in your hatred of hurling on here
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 11:06:05 AM
That's a really sad post :( Hurling is part of the GAA and kids should be afforded the chance to play it. My dad told me about committee meetings in our club in the early 80s where there attitudes just like that. Thankfully that attitude died out.
Playing hurling will probably help them at football too.
We had a minor manager at what we considered our sister football club threatening lads with being benched for playing for us, thankfully hes not involved anymore.
Hurling in mayo is cyclical , an effort is made to increasing the number of Club at Adult level and it usually works for a while until the 'Traditional clubs' start to hammer the new ones who tend to die off quickly and your left with the same 3 or 4 ,#Its going well at the minute with 8 adult clubs
the most i ever remember all built from a long underage process so maybe there's hope!
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.
It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 07, 2022, 11:16:02 AM
Hurling in mayo is cyclical , an effort is made to increasing the number of Club at Adult level and it usually works for a while until the 'Traditional clubs' start to hammer the new ones who tend to die off quickly and your left with the same 3 or 4 ,#Its going well at the minute with 8 adult clubs
the most i ever remember all built from a long underage process so maybe there's hope!
Love Mayo hurling, good lads
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..
"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"
Are you a GAA club or a football only club? Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club
Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer
I am sorry if it offends you but our club has < 150 members. Soccer and rugby are long established in the area, hurling is new here and the people driving it (100% throughbred Gaels in their own minds) are putting the club under impossible pressure. The are splitting the GAA clubs members to level that neither football or hurling will work but they dont care, theyd rather no club than no hurling. My opinion is the same, small county - focus on one.
Someone mentioned Clare, is it not true that Clare has a total East/West in hurling/football? As in not so many dual clubs rather areas that specialise in one or the other.
Quote from: clonadmad on June 07, 2022, 11:07:32 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
Hurling Nazis
You need to cop yourself on lad
Although your not alone in your hatred of hurling on here
You may not believe me but I dont hate Hurling, I just think small clubs have to cut their cloth to measure.
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.
It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.
The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.
My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.
Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!
Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 07, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.
It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.
The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.
My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.
Derry alternate fixtures
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..
"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"
Are you a GAA club or a football only club? Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club
Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer
Your last paragraph is a contradiction. It doesnt really matter which you prefer.
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!
Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.
I don't know your club or county, but with young fellas that age I'd give my right arm for our only worry to be hurling
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!
Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.
Sounds like the best thing that could happen there is some sort of amalgamation for the hurling between a few clubs, or even a separate hurling club being fed by a few different football clubs.
Craobh Rua in Armagh is a hurling only club and has been going really well as far as I know. Would have lads from 5 or 6 football clubs playing for them and of course others that don't play football at all
We in Antrim can generally play both sports, has it hampered teams that have a chance of winning senior in either code? Yeah I think/know it has, the Johnnies for sure recently and defo Rossa a couple of years ago when the championship was condensed and they had injuries from both.
We managed to compete at both and had appearances in hurling and football finals one year at senior, winning the football, we also appeared at Croke park representing club in both finals one senior the other intermediate.. again it can be done and there are better examples than us, but I totally understand that if a club puts all its eggs in one basket then it is giving all its time to that sport.
I would have loved to had all my players under the one code when I managed but that's the way we have went as a club. If I wanted it any different then I would have went to a single code club.
Our fixture list is difficult to keep everyone happy, and while we are a better hurling county, the footballers believe football is top dog in the county, which I find strange, though that's for another day ;)
Again I said I'd rather they play both gaa codes over soccer and rugby, one could be competitive, the other sociable
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 07, 2022, 02:08:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 07, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
Jesus itchy, by the sounds of things the young ones in your club quite like the hurling!
Some of them do, I would say maybe 20-30% of them play hurling. It could work if say we have enough children to field a hurling team and a football team with only a few doing both but we barely have enough for a football team at each grade.
Sounds like the best thing that could happen there is some sort of amalgamation for the hurling between a few clubs, or even a separate hurling club being fed by a few different football clubs.
Craobh Rua in Armagh is a hurling only club and has been going really well as far as I know. Would have lads from 5 or 6 football clubs playing for them and of course others that don't play football at all
We are the same.
Steelstown, Pearses, Dolans, Colmcilles, Faughanvale Ardmore, Slaughtmanus all playing with us underage.
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 12:37:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 07, 2022, 11:01:08 AM
Christ the night!! Just read that back Itchy FFS..
"We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club"
Are you a GAA club or a football only club? Why don't you do yourself and kids a favour and look for a football only club
Let the kids decide what they want to do, I'd much prefer them hurling to playing rugby and soccer
I am sorry if it offends you but our club has < 150 members. Soccer and rugby are long established in the area, hurling is new here and the people driving it (100% throughbred Gaels in their own minds) are putting the club under impossible pressure. The are splitting the GAA clubs members to level that neither football or hurling will work but they dont care, theyd rather no club than no hurling. My opinion is the same, small county - focus on one.
Someone mentioned Clare, is it not true that Clare has a total East/West in hurling/football? As in not so many dual clubs rather areas that specialise in one or the other.
What like Ballyea, Cratloe and many more?
Clare have plenty of dual clubs contributing to their senior intercounty teams in both codes.
The bit that doesn't fully add up for me is the being unable to train twice a week in the football due to hurling.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 07, 2022, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 07, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.
It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.
The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.
My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.
Derry alternate fixtures
Up to what age group Fear?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on June 07, 2022, 02:56:49 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 07, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.
My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.
I'm 99% sure Dublin have been doing football & hurling at alternate weekends at Go-Games ages now for several years, not sure about older age groups.
I'm not 100% sure what the actual format is for "blitz" games at Go-Games level in Tyrone, but I definitely know that in the schedule there are weekends that are exclusively for hurling. I think it runs on a three week cycle where football gets the first two weeks, then hurling the third.
For youth hurling U13 upwards, most hurling in Tyrone ATM is either via the Tain Óg leagues or competing in a neighboring county. Last year the county leagues didn't start until September and it looks likely it'll be the same this year.
Down do hurling 1st and 3rd Saturdays for 7s, 9s & 11s and the football at 7s & 9s go 2nd and 4th Saturdays. U11 football goes every Sunday morning though. It worked well last year but with all the tournaments starting again they just bull on whenever suits them.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 07, 2022, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 07, 2022, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on June 07, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 07, 2022, 11:17:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
At least you are honest Itchy, but go have a word with Slaughtneil who've dominated the club scene in hurling and football and indeed camogie the last while. Being a proper dual club hasn't impacted on them one bit and is probably a big pull to potential members within that area.
It's doable if you want to do it, but maybe its too easy to blame the other code when there's more fundamental issues at play.
The thing is Johnny there's more people with Itchy's view in Down that would let on. 'Leave that hurley to them boys down in Munster' would be common enough round us. Hurling is always fighting a losing battle it feels in football counties, just getting a game played seems like a big favour to you from the football lads. I really don't have a solution. Do Derry play hurling one week and football the next up 13s? I was told Dublin do that but that might be lies. The likes of Burren would never agree a football match every other week.
My lads play both codes and soccer during the winter. They've managed it this year but one will have to give at some point I'm sure. To be fair it is easier to work round the soccer because it's at a different time of the year mostly. I had one weekend where they had 3 games to play and it was the last weekend for the soccer matches.
Derry alternate fixtures
Up to what age group Fear?
I'd need to check here but clashes never were an issue for us especially at minor and senior. We have clashes because we play in 2 counties but that's a choice we make
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 02:31:24 PM
The bit that doesn't fully add up for me is the being unable to train twice a week in the football due to hurling.
Small club
An u15 could have the following in a week
U15 football training
U15 hurling training
U17 football training
U17 hurling training
A u15 match ,(alternate football/hurling each week)
A u17 match (alternate football/hurling each week)
County dev squad(s) in either or both codes
Not even including soccer/rugby overlap from their winter season. Not including schools training and games.
Like I said, it's just not possible in a club with small numbers.
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2022, 02:31:24 PM
The bit that doesn't fully add up for me is the being unable to train twice a week in the football due to hurling.
Small club
An u15 could have the following in a week
U15 football training
U15 hurling training
U17 football training
U17 hurling training
A u15 match ,(alternate football/hurling each week)
A u17 match (alternate football/hurling each week)
County dev squad(s) in either or both codes
Not even including soccer/rugby overlap from their winter season. Not including schools training and games.
Like I said, it's just not possible in a club with small numbers.
Their business
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 07, 2022, 09:29:03 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 07, 2022, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
It is a threat and in some counties it is wrecking football. I would say if your county has <150k population you need to prioritise one of the two. The problem I see is the hurling nazis who think that you are a lesser human if you do not worship Hurling and acknowledge a win in the Lory Meagher as some sort of enormous achievement.
What county is hurling 'causing a threat'? Explain that.(outwith KK).
Itchy, Cavan have started hurling, at a senior level, again and it's doing the footballers no harm.
Don't see it as a threat.
Players, at club level, can do the two no problem.
The examples are out there - at the highest levels, Sleacht Néill, Cratloe, Loughmore-Castleiney and Kilmacud Crokes etc. etc.. All doing doubles this past few years.
Football heads don't see the benefits of playing the two sports.
Your 'nazi' comment is quite telling - after saying counties 'need to prioritise one of the two'.
Re: The Lory Meagher competition. It's at that team's level - like the Joe Mc Donagh and Christy Ring etc. A good structured (while not perfect) for all the teams competing. Compare this with football and the arrogance of teams saying we've no interest in any competition unless it's the Sam Maguire. At least now, some teams are buying into the TC. About time the arrogant footballers are starting to show some sense.
Regarding Cavan, Hurling is not a priority and as a result it is not a threat. However the cost of supporting this county team is a concern and I am not sure it is justified.
I dont live in Cavan anymore, the issues I see are in the county I live (and I would prefer to not say which county) and I am talking about hurling at club level. I will give you an example. Club I am involved with is small, has probably the bare minimum at each age group (approx 15-18 boys) hence we play mostly in B level at football. We would like to do more with our footballers to improve the standard, but even something as basic as training twice a week is impossible due to hurling commitments. We have a hurling training, hurling matches, hurling development squads (fellas that couldn't run a lap of the field are being called in to county dev squads at U13 for example being told they are county players, players aged 2 years below the U13 age are being called in). Speaking to other clubs the thoughts are the same. However, you cannot say a word or the hurling nazis in the county will jump down your throat. Thats my honest assessment of it. We can coexist with soccer and rugby but hurling is our biggest issue as a football club.
Disappointing first post after my comments.
That bad I don't know where to statrt.
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
When you ask is there an apathy towards hurling?
I always feel as though that's a dressed up question and what is usually meant by it is
Why don't you football heads give hurling the time of day?
Largely the main reason is - they have no interest in it but people aren't happy to leave it at that - and people go so far as to want to push their interest onto other people.
As a hurling/football referee - I get message requests on a regular basis from camogie and ladies football clubs and personnel asking for me to referee games - I always say no - why - I have no interest in either sport.
This has on occasion led to further, and in some cases, stupid, comments being made by the requestees but I don't engage with them any further I just say I don't referee those sports.
I think what some people want at some level, is that hurling should be forced onto football people and in the counties were its role reversal the football people want the football to be forced onto hurling people.
As its one organisation - people have a perception that 'we' must be all encompassing and every county board should be pushing the 2 sports equally.
Yes I do agree on a few things regarding structural issues with the setup of hurling North of Dublin and there are also major issues with football but the increased numbers playing football mask a lot of this.
Where it becomes a problem is where one side actively sets out to do the other harm - and we all know of many many exmaples of this.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.
If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.
Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story. The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc. That's the benefits.
Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.
Quote from: marty34 on June 08, 2022, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.
If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.
Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story. The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc. That's the benefits.
Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.
You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.
If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.
It can be managed Itchy is my point. Why does someone have to be at all those training sessions? Why can agreements not be reached between coaches?
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?
Quote from: full moon on June 08, 2022, 11:04:30 AM
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?
Lets just say its not a 50/50 split.
At senior level though I'd expect that if the senior footballers are all kitted out with all the extras then the hurlers get the same, the meals after games and training sessions and overnight stays and so on should be also the same as for the use of training facilities and S&C coaches and so on that should all be similar
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 10:59:18 AM
It can be managed Itchy is my point. Why does someone have to be at all those training sessions? Why can agreements not be reached between coaches?
Well if you have 13 - 18 players and say you excuse half of them due to them having 2 hurling sessions that week, what sort of training can you do with 6/7 lads. It doesnt work or at least if you do this you will have a very poorly prepared team. You also have zero chance of having a 2nd training session a week. I have found myself cancelling football trainings as lads are wrecked and the football team is paying the price. You cannot give both codes an equal footing in a small club.
Quote from: full moon on June 08, 2022, 11:04:30 AM
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?
This is old...
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/
Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?
Yes. The hurlers in your county deserve a chance to be able to compete at county level.
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 11:40:25 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 08, 2022, 11:04:30 AM
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?
This is old...
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/
Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?
When Cavan were relegated to div 4 in the football, was it well spent that year?
Look you're not making sense, this is a game to let kids develop much more that playing senior or even county, its more than that, only a very small percentage of kids stick at a sport growing up, not all kids are good footballers and not all kids are good at hurling, automatically you are depraving kids a chance at a sport that they may thrive at or have a passion for...
All the kids at my age group back in the day played both, some were good at both others crap and some crap at one of the codes, at senior they either continued to play both or they dropped one altogether or kept one on socially in the reserves. We didn't have big numbers at juvenile and that's why all the kids played both.
As for burn out wtf are kids made of nowadays, lazy shite's ;D
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 08, 2022, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.
If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.
Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story. The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc. That's the benefits.
Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.
You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.
If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.
All dual clubs, all over Ireland have that schedule.
Especially the country/rural clubs - from Donegal to Kerry.
So your point is invalid.
Stop engaging with this shite lads. Good energy sucker
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 08, 2022, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.
If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.
Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story. The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc. That's the benefits.
Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.
You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.
If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.
Very telling comment.
Why shouldn't it be 50/50?
Why is it impossible to do so?
Why should football get more time?
The clear point you, and a lot of others are missing, is the benefits of playing the two sports from a young age.
I've already mentioned the dual clubs that manage it at the highest level and unfortunately because of these facts, you can't counter-argue it.
Let the children play, compete and enjoy hurling and football.
Quote from: marty34 on June 08, 2022, 01:04:01 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 08, 2022, 10:21:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 08, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Honestly I see a lot of irony in talking about hurling nazis when you clearly don't want hurling about the place.
That schedule isn't that bad - coaches could manage it among themselves.
One nigh a week for each, then bltz at week-end.
If senior clubs, winning doubles at the highest level like SN, Cratloe, Crokes and Cratloe can do it....surely U13's and U15's can cope with the timetable.
Training helps for the young lads and girls but it's the work that's done away from the pitch that tells the story. The ones who never have a ball or hurley out of their hands, the ones that always play soccer even at break and lunch-time at school and do sports at the local youth club etc. That's the benefits.
Not just training once or twice aweek for and hour.
You are missing the point, I would suggest intentionally too. How many youth members has those 4 teams above? Would they have only 13 - 18 kids at U13 and again U15 and again at U17? You can look down your nose at what I am saying all you want but the facts are absolutely clear in my mind. You cannot do both sports to equal levels in small clubs (and probably in small counties too). The hurling nazis think that each club should be given 50:50 equal split between football and hurling in small clubs where it is impossible to do so. If anyone thinks that the schedule I have laid out above "isnt that bad" as someone said earlier, well they clearly have no concern over the loading of sports on kids and the long term effects of the same.
If you have a club with 40 youth members at each age group then that is different, you can conceivably have a football and hurling team with only small amounts of overlap and both can work together. I am not referring to that.
Very telling comment.
Why shouldn't it be 50/50? - Because we are from a traditionally football county and football is what we have is a traditional football club. Hurling is a "new" venture.
Why is it impossible to do so? - Impossible to do without significantly effecting football. I have already outlined why.
Why should football get more time? - Because we are traditionally a football club. You might as well ask why dont we give equal time to rounders and handball too. Should we train less to allow those GAA sports access too?
The clear point you, and a lot of others are missing, is the benefits of playing the two sports from a young age. - The kids in my club play multiple sports already, a point you have ignoned like a lot of what I am saying, as you as so biased toward hurling you are unable to accept the reality of the situation in a small club. Our kids play soccer and rugby in the winter season. Some continue both these sports through development squads during the summer. Some play golf, some do athletics. Lots and lots of sport. I am talking about what happens in our own club which is within our control.
I've already mentioned the dual clubs that manage it at the highest level and unfortunately because of these facts, you can't counter-argue it. - Tell me all about a successful dual club with a membership of <150 members and with less than 20 kids at U13, U15 and U17. Show me the facts of where this works. You wont because you dont have any facts.
Let the children play, compete and enjoy hurling and football.
Fear Bun Na Sceilpe - I see you replying regularly on this thread, on account of you being a muppet I have you on Ignore now for over a year or so, so I have no idea what you are saying nor do I care.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 08, 2022, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 11:40:25 AM
Quote from: full moon on June 08, 2022, 11:04:30 AM
How much expenditure do the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Cavan, Monaghan etc have on their hurling teams?
This is old...
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1940012/cavan-gaa-county-team-expenses-rose-by-e73000-in-2017/
Cavan spent 544k in 2017 on all teams. It was up 73k on the previous year. 2017 was the 1st year they re-entered a Senior Hurling team. So I suppose it roughly means in a county like Cavan, 5 years ago, 70k was the cost of a hurling team. Was it 70k well spent?
When Cavan were relegated to div 4 in the football, was it well spent that year?
Look you're not making sense, this is a game to let kids develop much more that playing senior or even county, its more than that, only a very small percentage of kids stick at a sport growing up, not all kids are good footballers and not all kids are good at hurling, automatically you are depraving kids a chance at a sport that they may thrive at or have a passion for...
All the kids at my age group back in the day played both, some were good at both others crap and some crap at one of the codes, at senior they either continued to play both or they dropped one altogether or kept one on socially in the reserves. We didn't have big numbers at juvenile and that's why all the kids played both.
As for burn out wtf are kids made of nowadays, lazy shite's ;D
It was really well spent as we got to go up to Antrim and bate ye out the gate despite all your whinging about Corrigan park. As for kids development, take a look in the mirror in Antrim at what we are doing in a county with 500k and truly brutal football team and a 2nd tier hurling team - just maybe it is ye that is not doing things right perhaps?
Some kids are sick of GAA by minor due to spending too much time training/playing, this is also a reality but you already know that lad as does everyone on this board and further afield.
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful. It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling. it can be done but certainly not quickly. agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.
Quote from: Spike on June 08, 2022, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful. It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling. it can be done but certainly not quickly. agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.
Nah, it's more than that.
There are plenty people who actively stop others from putting the time into hurling.
People like Itchy
Itchy - in your scenario - a young lad from Cavan who wants to play hurling
Where does he go? What do you tell him?
"Nope - no chance - our U-15 footballers have ambitions of winning a B championship this year, so ye can get fcuked"
There's only one Nazi in that scenario
Quote from: Franko on June 08, 2022, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Spike on June 08, 2022, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: marty34 on June 06, 2022, 08:22:56 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 06, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
Do you think there's an apathy towards hurling in the glens of Antrim, the ards peninsula, Keady,Burt, slaughtneil, dungiven, Middleton, Dungannon etc etc etc ...
Nonsense thread. Though the ground being better in the better counties is one of the better reasons I have heard ;D
Football clubs should be promoting hurling.
Adds so much to a player's skills set, it's a huge bonus. Unfortunately 'football people', for some reason, see it as a threat.
I wouldnt necessarily agree football people see it as a threat, more they have little interest in it and have absolutely no interest in putting the vast amounts of time and work in to make it successful. It is a hard sell in a community with no history or desire for hurling. it can be done but certainly not quickly. agree completely that it is a shame is another sport for the kids to play and learn from.
Nah, it's more than that.
There are plenty people who actively stop others from putting the time into hurling.
People like Itchy
Itchy - in your scenario - a young lad from Cavan who wants to play hurling
Where does he go? What do you tell him?
"Nope - no chance - our U-15 footballers have ambitions of winning a B championship this year, so ye can get fcuked"
There's only one Nazi in that scenario
Well Franko, If you took care to read what I was writing you would know I wasnt referring to Cavan.
But if I was in my old club in Cavan and I wanted to play Hurling I would join the dedicated amalgamated hurling club that is up the road 10 miles. But my old football club in Cavan, like 80-90% of the clubs in Cavan, would not be fielding hurling teams at any level. I think there are 6 hurling clubs in the whole county of Cavan.
At my current club, no child is told to "get fucked". Maybe that sort of thing goes on in your club I dont know. In our club the child is free to play what they want, I am just telling you that in my opinion that is at the expense of football and it is being driven by a small group of Hurling Nazis that cannot be reasoned with. Why should my club put resources into something that diminishes the primary sport in the club. If you think there should be a joint primary sport and that hurling should get the same effort, financing etc in it as football in a traditional football area in a club of small number well I call Bullshit on that.
Quote from: Itchy on June 08, 2022, 01:28:47 PM
Fear Bun Na Sceilpe - I see you replying regularly on this thread, on account of you being a muppet I have you on Ignore now for over a year or so, so I have no idea what you are saying nor do I care.
I actually gave the first response you absolute gimpbag. I'd say I know more about hurling than you know about yourself. Dedicated big part of my life to it. You are actually embarrassing yourself now
Thread descending into farce.
Locked.