Armagh and Mayo two heavy hitters already in these qualifiers after today.
Teams that could potentially end up in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
Based on league position : Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Clare, Cork, Louth, Limerick.
Have to get to a provincial final : Down, Westmeath, Longford, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, Waterford.
Preliminary Round - Weekend 25th/26th May
First Round - Weekend 4th/5th June
Second Round - Weekend 11th/12th June
The 4 winners of the first round will play the losers of the 4 provincial finals
How does a preliminary round work in this competition?
Quote from: sam03/05 on April 24, 2022, 11:25:13 PM
How does a preliminary round work in this competition?
If a tailtean cup team makes their provincial final as far as I know
It all depends on luck of the draw, but Mayo could almost end up with more rest time and an easier route to a quarter final.
These are two potential routes to a hypothetical semi final:
Offaly Clare Roscommon
Kerry Dublin Tyrone
The second one is quite unlikely and the first would require an incredibly favourable draw. Still a lot up in the air.
Offaly and Maughan are in the Tailteann ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on April 24, 2022, 11:35:28 PM
Offaly and Maughan are in the Tailteann ;)
Not this year, they were in division two. Or do relegated teams get sent down to tailteann this year? In which case do the promoted division 3 teams get sacrificed instead?
Relegated teams Down* and Offaly are Tailteann, promoted Louth and Limerick are in the Sam.
*Unless they get to Ulster Final.
Are the qualifiers an open draw?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on April 25, 2022, 10:10:07 AM
Are the qualifiers an open draw?
Yes - open draw for all rounds but in round 2 it will be 4 winners of round 1 versus 4 provincial losers.
very confused by this year championship....if tipperary make the Munster final... and they are the only non sam Maguire team to do so, there is a preliminary round???
is the prem round only for beaten Quarter finalists for example,
louth, limerick, Derry, Armagh and Mayo. is it a random draw and only 1 match as four need to progress?
there would be 4 sam maguire teams out at the semi stage... for example 1 leinster team (Meath), Cork, Clare, and Monaghan, out at semi final stage.
Does 1 team get a by
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on April 25, 2022, 01:21:40 PM
very confused by this year championship....if tipperary make the Munster final... and they are the only non sam Maguire team to do so, there is a preliminary round???
is the prem round only for beaten Quarter finalists for example,
louth, limerick, Derry, Armagh and Mayo. is it a random draw and only 1 match as four need to progress?
there would be 4 sam maguire teams out at the semi stage... for example 1 leinster team (Meath), Cork, Clare, and Monaghan, out at semi final stage.
Does 1 team get a by
If no division 3 or 4 teams make a provincial final, the 8 division 1/2 teams who don't make their provincial final will play off in round 1 of the qualifiers. The winners of this will then meet the 4 beaten provincial finalists in round 2. Win this and you are in the quarter finals.
In the scenario above with Tipp reaching the final, that will leave 9 division 1/2 teams who didn't make a provincial final. 2 of these teams will be drawn out in the preliminary round.
When will the draw be made?
3 teams certain to "qualify" for the Qualifiers next weekend-
Losers of Clare/Limerick, Kildare/Louth and Tyrone/Derry .
I wonder what our man Paddy Neilan did to upset the GAA?
They've landed him with the whistle for Tyrone/Derry!
Quote from: Orior on April 25, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
When will the draw be made?
Running the all Ireland from mid April must be awkward for the golfing GAA fan . The weather is not the same as it would be in June.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
Quote from: Orior on April 25, 2022, 07:12:31 PM
When will the draw be made?
Running the all Ireland from mid April must be awkward for the golfing GAA fan . The weather is not the same as it would be in June.
Tell me about it. I had to forego two free tickets in Ballybofey to go to an Ireland Four-Ball match. And both my teams lost :-/
Good to have the SMQ route explained simply, I am now woker to understanding the format of the 2nd Way.
Can I just check and I'm not suggesting it's wrong but has it been confirmed that a preliminary round will take place if necessary. I was reading about 2-3 weeks ago that they were debating the preliminary round versus the provincial finalist taking the place of the lowest ranked team in Div 2 this year.
If it has been confirmed does that mean a bye for a team in the Tailtean cup or does the preliminary round loser take that empty spot?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 25, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
Can I just check and I'm not suggesting it's wrong but has it been confirmed that a preliminary round will take place if necessary. I was reading about 2-3 weeks ago that they were debating the preliminary round versus the provincial finalist taking the place of the lowest ranked team in Div 2 this year.
If it has been confirmed does that mean a bye for a team in the Tailtean cup or does the preliminary round loser take that empty spot?
Yes it's confirmed that a preliminary round will take place if necessary in the Sam Maguire qualifiers and if necessary in the Tailteann Cup.
It's in the rule book and it's on the master schedule calendar.
This will happen if there are more than 8 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
The most teams that can be in the Tailteann are 17.
If they are 17 a preliminary round will take place in the Tailteann.
If there are 16 team in the Tailteann then there will be no byes.
If there are less than 16 teams in the Tailteann some teams will get byes.
The least number of teams that can be in the Sam Maguire qualifiers is 8.
If there are more than 8 there will be a preliminary round.
A team will either be in the provincial finals, in the Sam Maguire qualifiers or the Tailteann Cup.
Currently there are 2 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers - Armagh and Mayo
There are 7 teams who are in the Tailteann Cup - London, Fermanagh, Antrim, Laois, Offaly, Carlow, New York
The following 14 teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers if they don't get to a provincial final - Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Clare, Cork, Louth, Limerick. [At least 6 of these teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers]
The following 10 teams will go into the Tailteann Cup unless they get to a provincial final - Down, Westmeath, Longford, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, Waterford. [At least 2 of these will go into the Tailteann Cup]
Thanks
Have Tipp a chance of making the Munster final? And how do NY get parachuted into the quarter-finals if all 16 Div 3 and 4 teams don't make the provincial final? Preliminary round??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 25, 2022, 09:30:11 PM
Have Tipp a chance of making the Munster final? And how do NY get parachuted into the quarter-finals if all 16 Div 3 and 4 teams don't make the provincial final? Preliminary round??
Tipp have enough to make the Munster final. I wouldn't be massively shocked if any of the 3 teams Limerick, Clare or Tipp came out of that side. Clare will be favourites though but have a difficult game against an improving Limerick side.
Are New York going to play over here then or is it New York only?
So Tyrone could end up in the same round of qualifiers as mayo/armagh if they beat fermanagh and derry but then lose to monaghan? Seems a bit unfair. Probably a similar scenario with some leinster teams
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 25, 2022, 09:30:11 PM
Have Tipp a chance of making the Munster final? And how do NY get parachuted into the quarter-finals if all 16 Div 3 and 4 teams don't make the provincial final? Preliminary round??
I forgot about NY and their bye to the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals.
When I went to the rule book (updated 20.01.2022) it doesn't make any mention of New York in the counties eligible for the Tailteann Cup.
QuoteThe following Counties shall be eligible to participate in this Championship:
All National League Division 3 and 4 Counties excluding the following:
Counties that are qualified for their respective Provincial Championship Finals in the Competition Year.
The previous year's Tier 2 Championship Winners, if still a National League Division 3 or 4 County. (Applicable from year 2021).
The composition of the respective Divisions of the National League referred to above shall be on the basis of the composition of these Divisions as determined for the National League of the following year on the basis of the outcomes of the National League, including those of Promotion and Relegation, of the Competition Year.
I checked the motions that were passed at Special Congress and the one in relation to the new championship structure is only to take affect from next year and this has the bit about New York being given a bye to the quarter-final stages of the Tailteann Cup. The way it will work is the 4 teams who finish 2nd in the 4 Tailteann Cup groups will play the 3 best 3rd finishers in the group stages and New York
From what I can gather New York aren't eligible to play in the Tailteann Cup this year.
This would mean that the maximum number of teams in the Tailteann Cup could be 16 so no preliminary round is needed.
There is no reference to a preliminary round for the Tailteann Cup in the rule-book [given there would be a max 16 teams eligible, there would be no need.
The thing that's confusing me is that on the GAA master schedule there is an entry on the weekend of the 21st/22nd of May Tailteann Cup (Preliminary Round if Required)
I think New York are done for the year in terms of both Sam and the Tailteann Cup
There is a New York team that will be taking part in the Junior All-Ireland (Kilkenny and New York will go into a semi-final against the winner and runner -up of the British Junior Competition)
Currently there are 2 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers - Armagh and Mayo
There are 6 teams who are in the Tailteann Cup - London, Fermanagh, Antrim, Laois, Offaly, Carlow.
The following 14 teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers if they don't get to a provincial final - Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Clare, Cork, Louth, Limerick. [At least 6 of these teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers]
The following 10 teams will go into the Tailteann Cup unless they get to a provincial final - Down, Westmeath, Longford, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, Waterford. [At least 2 of these will go into the Tailteann Cup]
New York are finished for the year except for the Junior All Ireland.
Quote from: An Watcher on April 25, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
So Tyrone could end up in the same round of qualifiers as mayo/armagh if they beat fermanagh and derry but then lose to monaghan? Seems a bit unfair. Probably a similar scenario with some leinster teams
Yeah - Galway would end up in the same round as Mayo if they lose to Leitrim and could even be drawn against Mayo (there's nothing about avoiding repeat fixtures in the rule-book)
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 25, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on April 25, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
So Tyrone could end up in the same round of qualifiers as mayo/armagh if they beat fermanagh and derry but then lose to monaghan? Seems a bit unfair. Probably a similar scenario with some leinster teams
Yeah - Galway would end up in the same round as Mayo if they lose to Leitrim and could even be drawn against Mayo (there's nothing about avoiding repeat fixtures in the rule-book)
That's just nuts. Would be some craic if it comes to pass ... but can't see Leitrim affording that opportunity.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2022, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 25, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on April 25, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
So Tyrone could end up in the same round of qualifiers as mayo/armagh if they beat fermanagh and derry but then lose to monaghan? Seems a bit unfair. Probably a similar scenario with some leinster teams
Yeah - Galway would end up in the same round as Mayo if they lose to Leitrim and could even be drawn against Mayo (there's nothing about avoiding repeat fixtures in the rule-book)
That's just nuts. Would be some craic if it comes to pass ... but can't see Leitrim affording that opportunity.
And the thing is it could so easily have been avoided - simply stick in a line saying "teams who have played each other in their provincial championships already can't be drawn against each other in the preliminary or first round".
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 25, 2022, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 25, 2022, 09:30:11 PM
Have Tipp a chance of making the Munster final? And how do NY get parachuted into the quarter-finals if all 16 Div 3 and 4 teams don't make the provincial final? Preliminary round??
I forgot about NY and their bye to the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals.
When I went to the rule book (updated 20.01.2022) it doesn't make any mention of New York in the counties eligible for the Tailteann Cup.
QuoteThe following Counties shall be eligible to participate in this Championship:
All National League Division 3 and 4 Counties excluding the following:
Counties that are qualified for their respective Provincial Championship Finals in the Competition Year.
The previous year's Tier 2 Championship Winners, if still a National League Division 3 or 4 County. (Applicable from year 2021).
The composition of the respective Divisions of the National League referred to above shall be on the basis of the composition of these Divisions as determined for the National League of the following year on the basis of the outcomes of the National League, including those of Promotion and Relegation, of the Competition Year.
I checked the motions that were passed at Special Congress and the one in relation to the new championship structure is only to take affect from next year and this has the bit about New York being given a bye to the quarter-final stages of the Tailteann Cup. The way it will work is the 4 teams who finish 2nd in the 4 Tailteann Cup groups will play the 3 best 3rd finishers in the group stages and New York
From what I can gather New York aren't eligible to play in the Tailteann Cup this year.
This would mean that the maximum number of teams in the Tailteann Cup could be 16 so no preliminary round is needed.
There is no reference to a preliminary round for the Tailteann Cup in the rule-book [given there would be a max 16 teams eligible, there would be no need.
The thing that's confusing me is that on the GAA master schedule there is an entry on the weekend of the 21st/22nd of May Tailteann Cup (Preliminary Round if Required)
I think New York are done for the year in terms of both Sam and the Tailteann Cup
There is a New York team that will be taking part in the Junior All-Ireland (Kilkenny and New York will go into a semi-final against the winner and runner -up of the British Junior Competition)
Currently there are 2 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers - Armagh and Mayo
There are 6 teams who are in the Tailteann Cup - London, Fermanagh, Antrim, Laois, Offaly, Carlow.
The following 14 teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers if they don't get to a provincial final - Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Clare, Cork, Louth, Limerick. [At least 6 of these teams will go into the Sam Maguire qualifiers]
The following 10 teams will go into the Tailteann Cup unless they get to a provincial final - Down, Westmeath, Longford, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Wexford, Tipperary, Waterford. [At least 2 of these will go into the Tailteann Cup]
New York are finished for the year except for the Junior All Ireland.
The GAA president said recently that New York are taking part in this years Tailteann Cup. A few New York players and management said the same after the defeat to Sligo.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0418/1292963-larry-mccarthy-new-york-can-progress-in-tailteann-cup/
If NY are in it and have a bye to the Qtr Final it means 14 Counties in Round 1.
A prelim round would be necessary unless at least 2 Tailteann Counties reach Provincial Finals.
Confirmed teams
Armagh
Mayo
Clare
Teams that could potentially end up in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
Based on league position : Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Cork, Louth, Limerick.
Have to get to a provincial : Westmeath, Wicklow, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Tipperary.
Well sure if Armagh get Clare or Mayo then we'll get a weekend out of it, or the inhabitants of those places will get to visit the Cathedral city.
Probably be Tyrone v Armagh now won't it?
I was thinking Tyrone v Mayo
Louth v Tyrone would be interesting.
is the 2nd round at croke park
Quote from: Eire90 on May 01, 2022, 06:00:27 PM
is the 2nd round at croke park
Venues to be decided by CCCC - so will depend on who draws who.
Confirmed teams
Armagh
Mayo
Clare
Tyrone
Louth
Teams that could potentially end up in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
Based on league position : Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Cork, Limerick.
Have to get to a provincial : Westmeath, Cavan, Sligo, Leitrim, Tipperary.
didn't correct you yesterday, but Sligo cannot make a provisional final!!!
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 01, 2022, 06:53:57 PM
didn't correct you yesterday, but Sligo cannot make a provisional final!!!
You are correct.
Confirmed teams
Armagh
Mayo
Clare
Tyrone
Louth
Teams that could potentially end up in the Sam Maguire qualifiers.
Based on league position : Kerry, Donegal, Monaghan, Kildare, Dublin, Roscommon, Galway, Derry, Meath, Cork, Limerick.
Have to get to a provincial : Westmeath, Cavan, Leitrim, Tipperary.
Can a team meet each other
Eg - Tyrone v Derry again
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 01, 2022, 08:17:22 PM
Can a team meet each other
Eg - Tyrone v Derry again
Its an open draw !
What's the capacity of Louth's ground?
About 2,500
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2022, 01:21:54 PM
What's the capacity of Louth's ground?
It's a very wee ground.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 02, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
About 2,500
Christ, imagine Louth v Mayo came out. Bedlam over tickets. :-X
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2022, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 02, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
About 2,500
Christ, imagine Louth v Mayo came out. Bedlam over tickets. :-X
How many season tickets are in Mayo, there were more than 3000 in previous years. There is a minimum size required , you have to accommodate the season ticket holders and have some tickets for families of players etc.
If Louth get a home draw then they should be allowed nominate a neighbouring ground of reasonable size, e.g Navan or Newry.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2022, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 02, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
About 2,500
Christ, imagine Louth v Mayo came out. Bedlam over tickets. :-X
It'd be horsed in Croke Park as a double header. Louth would be happy with that and Mayo supporters love
''The Journey''.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2022, 09:44:11 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2022, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 02, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
About 2,500
Christ, imagine Louth v Mayo came out. Bedlam over tickets. :-X
It'd be horsed in Croke Park as a double header. Louth would be happy with that and Mayo supporters love ''The Journey''.
Would love a day out in Croker for Armagh to be honest. And the pitch would suit us
When are the draws made?
Possibly depends whether there's a Preliminary round required?
Will be required if any or all of Tipp, Cavan, Westmeath or Leitrim win.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on May 03, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
When are the draws made?
Don't know, but let's hope Des Cahill isn't presenting the programme whenever it is being done.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 03, 2022, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on May 03, 2022, 11:35:45 AM
When are the draws made?
Don't know, but let's hope Des Cahill isn't presenting the programme whenever it is being done.
The draw is after the all the provinces Semi finals have been completed.
Would love a trip to Cork to the new stadium..
Quote from: rrhf on May 03, 2022, 08:34:10 PM
Would love a trip to Cork to the new stadium..
Buy concert tickets so.
QuoteWhen are the draws made?
Whenever Seamus Flood is free it will be in the diary.
The song 'Oh I just can't wait to be king' from the Lion King has been replaced with 'Oh I just can't wait for the draw'.
I think I have worked this out correctly, if either Kildare or Limerick lose this weekend then there will be a preliminary round for the qualifiers.
How would Kildare losing trigger a prelim round?
Surely it only applies to Div3/4 teams
Confirmed teams
Armagh
Mayo
Clare
Tyrone
Louth
Cork
Whoever loses from Monaghan/Derry will be in.
Whoever loses from Dublin/Meath will be in.
If Westmeath beat Kildare, Kildare will be in the Sam Maguie qualifiers.
If Kildare beat Westmeath, Westmeath will be in the Tailteann Cup.
If Tipperary beat Limerick, Limerick will be in the Sam Maguie qualifiers.
If Limerick beat Tipperary, Tipperary will be in the Tailteann Cup.
Armagh
Mayo
Clare
Tyrone
Louth
Cork
One of Monaghan/Derry
one of Dublin/Meath
Limerick if they lose
Kildare if they lose
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 09, 2022, 09:33:30 AM
How would Kildare losing trigger a prelim round?
Surely it only applies to Div3/4 teams
Because Westmeath are a Division 3 team who would be in a provincial final in this situation.
It would mean there are at least 9 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers, which would mean that a preliminary round is needed to get the number for round 1 of the Sam Maguire qualifiers down to 8 teams.
My understanding is if there are 9 teams, all of them would be put in a bowl and the first two drawn out would play each other with the first drawn getting home advantage.
Similar for 10 teams.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 09, 2022, 09:46:35 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 09, 2022, 09:33:30 AM
How would Kildare losing trigger a prelim round?
Surely it only applies to Div3/4 teams
Because Westmeath are a Division 3 team who would be in a provincial final in this situation.
It would mean there are at least 9 teams in the Sam Maguire qualifiers, which would mean that a preliminary round is needed to get the number for round 1 of the Sam Maguire qualifiers down to 8 teams.
My understanding is if there are 9 teams, all of them would be put in a bowl and the first two drawn out would play each other with the first drawn getting home advantage.
Similar for 10 teams.
I think I read somewhere that teams that make their provisional semi finals will not have to play in the preliminary round.
Read that too that the PROVINCIAL semi Finalists wouldn't be in the preliminary.
I think that's Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo, Clare, Louth in it if it happens.
Whatever about Westmeath Tipp beating Limerick is quite possible.
If Westmeath beat Kildare then they would be in the Leinster final (if beat in that they would be in Round 2) of qualifiers along with other beaten finalists
If Westmeath lose they are in Div 3 so would be in tailatan cup
The only tie that can trigger a prelim round
Is if Tipp beat Limerick
Otherwise it's not a prelim round - all teams would be in round 1
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 09, 2022, 04:01:27 PM
If Westmeath beat Kildare then they would be in the Leinster final (if beat in that they would be in Round 2) of qualifiers along with other beaten finalists
If Westmeath lose they are in Div 3 so would be in tailatan cup
The only tie that can trigger a prelim round
Is if Tipp beat Limerick
Otherwise it's not a prelim round - all teams would be in round 1
If Westmeath win it will trigger a preliminary round.
No it won't
If Kildare go into Maguire competition
Then there is 10 teams
5 games - so how would that trigger a prelim round?
It's only if a Div 3/4 team enters
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 09, 2022, 04:08:02 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 09, 2022, 04:01:27 PM
If Westmeath beat Kildare then they would be in the Leinster final (if beat in that they would be in Round 2) of qualifiers along with other beaten finalists
If Westmeath lose they are in Div 3 so would be in tailatan cup
The only tie that can trigger a prelim round
Is if Tipp beat Limerick
Otherwise it's not a prelim round - all teams would be in round 1
If Westmeath win it will trigger a preliminary round.
Lord give me patience.....
The first Round will consist of 8 teams.
If 9 or more qualify a Prelim Round is necessary to get it down to 8 so you can have 4 winners to play the 4 losing PROVINCIAL Finalists in Round 2.
For those who haven't seen the Sam Maguire Qualifier Rules, as published in Dec 2021 (note the Prelim Round, if needed, will be limited to teams who did not make their Provincial semi-final):
All-Ireland Senior Football Qualifier
Eligible Counties
The following Counties shall be eligible to participate in the All- Ireland Championship Qualifiers:
a) The National League Divisions 1 and 2 Counties excluding the four Provincial Championship Winners in the Competition Year.
b) Any League Division 3 or 4 County (including New York) that has qualified for its Provincial Championship Final in the Competition Year.
Note
The compositions of the Divisions of the National League will be on the basis of the outcomes, including those of Promotion and Relegation, determined in the National League in the current Competition Year. Thus, the two counties promoted from Division Three in the competition year will be eligible for Tier 1, and the two counties relegated from Division Two in the competition year will be eligible for Tier 2, unless otherwise provided for above.
Venues
• Home Venues shall be used for the Preliminary Round and Round 1 games of the All-Ireland Qualifier Series, with the first team drawn having Home Advantage.
• Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee.
• Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.
Winner on the Day
• In the All-Ireland Football Qualifiers, Quarter-Finals & Semi-Finals there will be a winner on the day.
21-22.05.2022 (Sat/Sun)
Preliminary Round (If required)
A Preliminary Round shall be played to reduce the number of teams to eight.
The Preliminary Round shall be confined to Counties that have not qualified for their Provincial Championship Semi-Finals in the Competition Year. Byes are permitted in the Preliminary Round Draw where an uneven number of teams are involved.
An Open Draw shall be made to determine the pairings, with the first team drawn having home venue.
Round 1
04-05.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
An Open Draw shall be made to determine the pairings, with the first team drawn having home venue.
Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC.
Read somewhere that if there's no preliminary round that the draw for the first round proper won't take place until the Monday before the games. Which if true is kind of stupid seeing all teams will be in it next week. Surely the draw will be known this day week.
That's crazy
Surely supporters and teams deserve to know in advance as to who is playing who
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2022, 10:43:46 PM
Read somewhere that if there's no preliminary round that the draw for the first round proper won't take place until the Monday before the games. Which if true is kind of stupid seeing all teams will be in it next week. Surely the draw will be known this day week.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 11, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
That's crazy
Surely supporters and teams deserve to know in advance as to who is playing who
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 09, 2022, 10:43:46 PM
Read somewhere that if there's no preliminary round that the draw for the first round proper won't take place until the Monday before the games. Which if true is kind of stupid seeing all teams will be in it next week. Surely the draw will be known this day week.
Even a date for the draw would be good at this stage, all seems very cloak and dagger unless I'm completely missing the info.
When's the draw folks? Today or tomorrow
is the draw not as exciting now since its regionalise
Draw will take place tomorrow week. Tailteann Cup tomorrow.
All teams will be known today - can't see why Qualifier draw can't be made tomorrow. Give teams and supporters 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks notice
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 15, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
All teams will be known today - can't see why Qualifier draw can't be made tomorrow. Give teams and supporters 3 weeks instead of 2 weeks notice
GAA admin don't care about supporters. If they did they would still accept cash at the turnstiles and not have older people struggling to get into matches. Their ticketing shambles is shameful and likely not helping attendances.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2022, 09:44:53 AM
is the draw not as exciting now since its regionalise
is that not just the Tailteann?
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2022, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2022, 09:44:53 AM
is the draw not as exciting now since its regionalise
is that not just the Tailteann?
Yes just for the Tailteann. Open draw in the Qualifiers.
Mayo GAA are reporting that the draw will be tomorrow at 8.30am on RTE Radio 1
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2022, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2022, 09:44:53 AM
is the draw not as exciting now since its regionalise
is that not just the Tailteann?
yes for tailteaan think i got threads mixed up
8 teams in the hat for round 1.
Tyrone
Mayo
Monaghan
Armagh
Meath
Clare
Cork
Louth
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2022, 06:13:58 PM
8 teams in the hat for round 1.
Tyrone
Mayo
Monaghan
Armagh
Meath
Clare
Cork
Louth
Pity the draw isn't done tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2022, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 15, 2022, 06:13:58 PM
8 teams in the hat for round 1.
Tyrone
Mayo
Monaghan
Armagh
Meath
Clare
Cork
Louth
Pity the draw isn't done tomorrow morning.
Not sure why it isn't, perhaps to give the Tailteann Cup the full billing but why not Tuesday or Wednesday for the qualifier draw?
Some major big fish there, like the sharks they hunt in uncharted waters on Discovery Channel.
if we know the teams why draw not today give people time to get tickets and make plans
So when is this draw happening?? Next Monday?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 09:02:50 AM
if we know the teams why draw not today give people time to get tickets and make plans
Today is all about the T-Cup, it would take away from the promotion of it.
It's a bit daff to be honest.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 16, 2022, 09:02:50 AM
if we know the teams why draw not today give people time to get tickets and make plans
What and end up with big crowds who is going to organise that?
Quote from: timmyot501 on May 16, 2022, 09:11:41 AM
So when is this draw happening?? Next Monday?
Yep. 8.35AM on RTÈ radio 1.
Is it first out of the hat gets home venue?
Read Mods Post on page 5
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0520/1300236-all-ireland-sfc-qualifier-draw-to-be-made-live-on-rte/
The draw for the first round of the All-Ireland SFC Championship qualifiers will take place on RTÉ Radio 1's Morning Ireland programme this coming Monday.
It will be made just after 8.30am. The eight counties from Divisions 1 and 2 of the Allianz Football League that did not qualify for their provincial finals will be in the pot: Mayo, Meath, Louth, Clare, Cork, Tyrone, Armagh and Monaghan.
The games are scheduled to be played on the weekend of 4/5 June, with throw-in times and venues to be confirmed by the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) at a later date.
An open draw will be made to determine the four pairings, with the first team drawn gaining home advantage.
Home venues will be subject to approval by the CCCC.
Louth are the problem for the home venue. Anyone but Clare or Cork would create a problem, Mayo probably have more season ticket holders than will fit in any ground in Louth and neighbours Meath, Monaghan or Armagh would bring a crowd, as would the AI champions.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 21, 2022, 11:28:38 PM
Louth are the problem for the home venue. Anyone but Clare or Cork would create a problem, Mayo probably have more season ticket holders than will fit in any ground in Louth and neighbours Meath, Monaghan or Armagh would bring a crowd, as would the AI champions.
I'm sure there's a gable wall already designated should Louth get a home draw ... 'Drogheda or nowhere'
Or perhaps "Drogheda is nowhere"
Whoever comes through this first qualifier will be right back in the mix. One game, against a beaten provincial finalist, away from a quarter final. Things are going to start to heat up, June should be a great month for football
This Mornings draw
Mayo v Monaghan
Clare v Meath
Cork v Louth
Armagh v Tyrone
Short straw draw for Armagh however would be a great match to win and the Athletic Grounds should attract a big crowd.
That's a very interesting draw.
Clones maybe?
Why would Armagh concede home ground advantage?
Nice draw for the coffers Athletic Ground be bunged going to be a humdinger.Banty be plotting downfall of Mayo with Buckleys inside knowledge or none.Mickey had a good record against Cork so he will be confident of a result.Clare Meath cannon fodder for a lucky beaten finalist.
If Armagh ever had the opportunity for a statement win in the Championship, this is it ... should be a cracker atmosphere in the tight confines of the Athletic Grounds.
Happy enough with that draw tbh. We aren't going to win an AI so we might as well face off against one of the better sides sooner rather than later and the fact that we have them in the athletic Grounds gives us a decent chance. Win and it sets us up nicely to make the quarter finals.
I think the Armagh Tyrone draw is the best for both teams, never seen the point of drawing one of the weaker teams, as inevitable as it is, you are going to face a top team eventually.
Very hard one to predict, both teams severely underperformed in their championship match's so its hard to know where they are at. I don't believe Tyrone are clear favorites, but certainly ahead.
Mayo and Monaghan should be a good game. Monaghan on their day can cause any team big issue, so it will be a big test for Mayo.
It's exactly what Mayo and Tyrone need to get going draw wise. I can't see Armagh winning this - more of a chance of Monaghan beating Mayo IMO. Monaghan though were very tactically naive against Derry and would need to step that up.
The other 2 draws are interesting. Louth have a chance against Cork but they were very disappointing against Kildare who then the next day were pushed by Westmeath. You would expect Clare to beat Meath but it will probably be tight enough.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 23, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
If Armagh ever had the opportunity for a statement win in the Championship, this is it ... should be a cracker atmosphere in the tight confines of the Athletic Grounds.
I think the whole country was waiting for that big day when you played Donegal, but it didn't happen.
After winning the all Ireland in April
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2022, 09:15:10 AM
Happy enough with that draw tbh. We aren't going to win an AI so we might as well face off against one of the better sides sooner rather than later and the fact that we have them in the athletic Grounds gives us a decent chance. Win and it sets us up nicely to make the quarter finals.
actually agree with you
tyrone have underperformed and have lost a fair few players, so armagh have a chance, saying that armagh will do what they always do, flatter to decieve then crash and burn
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 09:18:34 AM
It's exactly what Mayo and Tyrone need to get going draw wise. I can't see Armagh winning this - more of a chance of Monaghan beating Mayo IMO. Monaghan though were very tactically naive against Derry and would need to step that up.
The other 2 draws are interesting. Louth have a chance against Cork but they were very disappointing against Kildare who then the next day were pushed by Westmeath. You would expect Clare to beat Meath but it will probably be tight enough.
Cork have been poor so far this year
Odds on the four matches
Armagh 7/4 Tyrone 4/7
Clare 11/8 Meath 8/11
Cork 2/5 Louth 5/2
Mayo 4/11 Monaghan 11/4
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 23, 2022, 09:15:48 AM
I think the Armagh Tyrone draw is the best for both teams, never seen the point of drawing one of the weaker teams, as inevitable as it is, you are going to face a top team eventually.
Very hard one to predict, both teams severely underperformed in their championship match's so its hard to know where they are at. I don't believe Tyrone are clear favorites, but certainly ahead.
Mayo and Monaghan should be a good game. Monaghan on their day can cause any team big issue, so it will be a big test for Mayo.
If you can't see the benefit of a handy draw to get a bit of belief and momentum going I dunno tbh.
It'll be all blood & thunder in the Athletic Grounds, I'm sure it'll be tight but don't see an Armagh win.
Mayo v Monaghan is the game of the round, I'd expect a much better game of football there. While I strongly fancied Derry to beat Monaghan I could see Monaghan overturning Mayo here, potentially a lot of swansongs here and Monaghan will go out all guns blazing, god knows what Mayo team will turn up.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 23, 2022, 09:44:34 AM
Odds on the four matches
Armagh 7/4 Tyrone 4/7
Clare 11/8 Meath 8/11
Cork 2/5 Louth 5/2
Mayo 4/11 Monaghan 11/4
A Louth and Monaghan double would pay out nicely there.
For good reason Monaghan are the complete outsiders of the bunch to get through. Wierd that the div.1 teams were drawn together, the GAA can't even fix a simple draw.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 23, 2022, 09:44:34 AM
Odds on the four matches
Armagh 7/4 Tyrone 4/7
Clare 11/8 Meath 8/11
Cork 2/5 Louth 5/2
Mayo 4/11 Monaghan 11/4
Would have expected Clare to be favourites to beat Meath in Ennis. I think Cork and Mayo should both get through although I'm reluctant to completely write Monaghan off as they always seem to pull out a result when you least expect it and it could be one last dance for a lot of their players. Armagh and Tyrone I wouldn't predict just yet only that the referee will have a massive job on his hands.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 23, 2022, 09:44:34 AM
Odds on the four matches
Armagh 7/4 Tyrone 4/7
Clare 11/8 Meath 8/11
Cork 2/5 Louth 5/2
Mayo 4/11 Monaghan 11/4
A Louth and Monaghan double would pay out nicely there.
It's hard to know how good Tyrone are. Monaghan could beat Mayo. Louth could beat Cork
Quote from: bennydorano on May 23, 2022, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 23, 2022, 09:15:48 AM
I think the Armagh Tyrone draw is the best for both teams, never seen the point of drawing one of the weaker teams, as inevitable as it is, you are going to face a top team eventually.
Very hard one to predict, both teams severely underperformed in their championship match's so its hard to know where they are at. I don't believe Tyrone are clear favorites, but certainly ahead.
Mayo and Monaghan should be a good game. Monaghan on their day can cause any team big issue, so it will be a big test for Mayo.
If you can't see the benefit of a handy draw to get a bit of belief and momentum going I dunno tbh.
It'll be all blood & thunder in the Athletic Grounds, I'm sure it'll be tight but don't see an Armagh win.
Mayo v Monaghan is the game of the round, I'd expect a much better game of football there. While I strongly fancied Derry to beat Monaghan I could see Monaghan overturning Mayo here, potentially a lot of swansongs here and Monaghan will go out all guns blazing, god knows what Mayo team will turn up.
Would you prefer Armagh had a handy draw, got a facile win and gone into the next round still unsure as to whether they are improving or not? The belief shouldn't be lacking given some scalps they have taken this year, and the only true momentum Armagh need is to see out hard scrappy games, the momentum to see a game out is something they have lack under current management. But that's just my opinion.
I would take a handy draw every single time as it gets you back up and running again.
Some interesting and finely balanced ties.
Mayo have never lost All-Ireland qualifier in MacHale Park and not the tie Banty would have wanted after their exit from Ulster against Derry.
Really nothing between Clare and Meath nowadays. Clare had some key players out injured against Limerick they'll need them back for this game
Louth under Mickey Harte could cause a small shock by knocking out Cork?
Armagh v Tyrone should be a feisty affair. Who learnt most from their heavy defeats to Donegal, Derry will be difference here.
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
For good reason Monaghan are the complete outsiders of the bunch to get through. Wierd that the div.1 teams were drawn together, the GAA can't even fix a simple draw.
Few warm balls in the draw methinks
Fear not as we speak there is a conclave of the finest strategic thinkers gathering in Cloghan marshalled by The finest Strategic thinker of them all - The Banty
We are back baby !!!!!
*me hole we are
Most definitely, warm balls/cold balls but I smell a rat
Quote from: An Watcher on May 23, 2022, 02:56:08 PM
Most definitely, warm balls/cold balls but I smell a rat
Don't see why tho? Surely they'd have wanted 4 D1 teams v 4 D2 teams to make the next round of Qualifiers potentially more 'glamorous' & exciting. Who is the conspiracy against? 🤔
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
For good reason Monaghan are the complete outsiders of the bunch to get through. Wierd that the div.1 teams were drawn together, the GAA can't even fix a simple draw.
agreed,
Before the draw I would have liked Tyrone, Armagh, Monaghan and my Mayo to advance to play provincial runner ups, now it will be just two.
now you have the "potential" for some serious mismatches at Q/Final stage. I will leave it there.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 23, 2022, 03:01:05 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 23, 2022, 02:56:08 PM
Most definitely, warm balls/cold balls but I smell a rat
Don't see why tho? Surely they'd have wanted 4 D1 teams v 4 D2 teams to make the next round of Qualifiers potentially more 'glamorous' & exciting. Who is the conspiracy against? 🤔
Exactly - why would they want two of the big hitters out this early in favour of keeping 2 div 2 teams in it, none of which have big support?
Quote from: An Watcher on May 23, 2022, 02:56:08 PM
Most definitely, warm balls/cold balls but I smell a rat
::)
Saturday 4 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Clare v Meath, Cusack Park, 5pm - GAAGO
Mayo v Monaghan, Castlebar, 4pm - Sky
Cork v Louth, Pairc Ui Chaoimh, 2pm - GAAGO
Sunday 5 June
All-Ireland SFC round 1
Armagh v Tyrone, Athletic Grounds, 1.30pm - RTE
All the talk in Meath is who the next manager will be not if we're going to win this match. Make of that what you will. We have the talent to win but hard to know what form we'll show up with. We were lucky to get out of Ennis with a win in 2019 when we were on the rise
QuoteFor good reason Monaghan are the complete outsiders of the bunch to get through. Wierd that the div.1 teams were drawn together, the GAA can't even fix a simple draw.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 23, 2022, 12:41:51 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2022, 10:23:16 AM
For good reason Monaghan are the complete outsiders of the bunch to get through. Wierd that the div.1 teams were drawn together, the GAA can't even fix a simple draw.
Few warm balls in the draw methinks
Fear not as we speak there is a conclave of the finest strategic thinkers gathering in Cloghan marshalled by The finest Strategic thinker of them all - The Banty
We are back baby !!!!!
*me hole we are
Which conspiracy theory should i believe????
The new system somewhat favours mid ranking D2 teams . No D3/4 predators and a handy draw might even result in a quarter final.
For anyone with Season Tickets, you can book online now for next week's games.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2022, 10:38:11 AM
For anyone with Season Tickets, you can book online now for next week's games.
Keeps telling me there are no available events
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2022, 10:38:11 AM
For anyone with Season Tickets, you can book online now for next week's games.
Keeps telling me there are no available events
Select redeem tickets and choose All Ireland Championship option, should be under there.
Yeah its not, keeps saying no upcoming events
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 02:21:27 PM
Yeah its not, keeps saying no upcoming events
patrons have til thursday at noon to notify teh county boards if they want tickets so the access for season tickets might not be until after patrons are sorted.
just a thought
For the Tyrone Armagh game why are they only available to buy behind each goal? Are the stand and terrace pitch side going to be released in due course or what's the story?
Quote from: naka on May 24, 2022, 02:57:06 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 02:21:27 PM
Yeah its not, keeps saying no upcoming events
patrons have til thursday at noon to notify teh county boards if they want tickets so the access for season tickets might not be until after patrons are sorted.
just a thought
No, season ticket sales went live this morning, anyone with a season ticket would have received an email as well.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2022, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2022, 10:38:11 AM
For anyone with Season Tickets, you can book online now for next week's games.
Keeps telling me there are no available events
Select redeem tickets and choose All Ireland Championship option, should be under there.
It is indeed. However, for an organisation that makes its business selling tickets the Ticketmaster site is suprisingly shЇte and hard to navigate.
Does anyone know if the 2022 championship top scorers list is available anywhere online
So the draw for Rd 2...losing provincial finalists in Pot 1 and Rd 1 winners in Pot 2:
Pot 1: Limerick, Kildare, Roscommon, Donegal
Pot 2: Mayo or Monaghan, Clare or Meath, Cork or Louth, Armagh or Tyrone (these games 4/5 June)
Rd 2 will be played 11/12 June, so only a 1 week break for the Pot 2 winners.
Two week break after Rd 2 till the AI Quarter Finals on 25/26 June where the Rd 2 winners will be in one pot and the provincial winners (Dublin, Kerry, Galway and Derry) will be in a separate pot.
Some tasty pairings yet to come...
GaaboardMod5 quick question.
Is it an open draw for the quarter final pairing ?
Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 08:08:29 AM
GaaboardMod5 quick question.
Is it an open draw for the quarter final pairing ?
From the GAA booklet thingy....hopefully the make the draw and venue announcement on the Monday after Rd 2 (13 June) to allow fans plan travel and so on.
"All-Ireland Series
Quarter-Finals
25-26.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four Provincial Final Winners shall play against one of the four Winners of Round 2.
Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this Round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.Venues for Quarter-Finals shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee."
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2022, 08:19:09 AM
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
So a Round 2 guaranteed fixture will be winners from Armagh/Tyrone v Donegal ;)
Time to drop in here after yesterday's result.
Would we be better getting one of the strong teams and getting dumped if we're not up to speed rather than an easy game and get destroyed in Croke Park again like 2017, 2018 x2, 2019....
Quote from: balladmaker on May 30, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2022, 08:19:09 AM
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
So a Round 2 guaranteed fixture will be winners from Armagh/Tyrone v Donegal ;)
Yeah nailed on unfortunately
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 30, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2022, 08:19:09 AM
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
So a Round 2 guaranteed fixture will be winners from Armagh/Tyrone v Donegal ;)
Yeah nailed on unfortunately
Are ye fecking joking me lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 30, 2022, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on May 30, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2022, 08:19:09 AM
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
So a Round 2 guaranteed fixture will be winners from Armagh/Tyrone v Donegal ;)
Yeah nailed on unfortunately
Are ye fecking joking me lol
Like Fermanagh V Cavan in the TC!!
I feel like like one of Clare or Louth will cause an "upset" against Meath or Cork. Cork seem to be odds on favourites against Louth, I'm not sure home advantage will help Cork much if it is in Pairce Ui Caoimh.
Meath seem like a team at a fairly low ebb also. Clare have every chance there. I think Tyrone and Mayo in the other 2 games but all 4 are difficult to call.
How are the winners of tyrone/armagh guaranteed to meet donegal? Don't get this? Can Tyrone not get kildare/limerick/roscommon or donegal
Quote from: An Watcher on May 30, 2022, 11:37:13 PM
How are the winners of tyrone/armagh guaranteed to meet donegal? Don't get this? Can Tyrone not get kildare/limerick/roscommon or donegal
Because the powers that be in Croke park want rid of the Ulster teams to get their dream Dublin Kerry games. Allegedly.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 30, 2022, 11:37:13 PM
How are the winners of tyrone/armagh guaranteed to meet donegal? Don't get this? Can Tyrone not get kildare/limerick/roscommon or donegal
If Monaghan beat Mayo, there's a 50/50 chance of Donegal playing an Ulster team in the qualifiers.
But if it does happen, it will prove the great anti-Ulster conspiracy!
Thought that, so all this about Tyrone or armagh definitely playing donegal is nonsense.
Cavan and Fermanagh might not think it's nonsense :-)
Quote from: An Watcher on May 31, 2022, 09:15:38 AM
Thought that, so all this about Tyrone or armagh definitely playing donegal is nonsense.
Tongue in cheek!
IF we get over Tyrone, part of me would love another chance at Donegal at some point, but would love someone different as sick looking at Ulster teams to be honest!
The GAA have to go with the draw, but if they were honest my guess is they'd prefer Clare, Meath, Cork, Louth, Limerick and Kildare to be one side of the draw with two of those playing Dublin and Kerry. They want the big All Ireland Semi Final and the less potential barriers to that the better.
That would leave Tyrone, Armagh, Mayo, Monaghan, Donegal and Roscommon on the other side with two playing Galway and Derry. That way also means it's unlikely two teams from the same province would play the All Ireland Final.
What combination they'd prefer in Round 2 or QF's probably doesn't matter.
Now obviously they'd want those sides but the draw might throw up something different 🙂
Avoiding repeat pairings in the QFs might be quite difficult, depending on results.
Repeat Fixtures:
Derry v Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal
Galway v Mayo, Roscommon
Dublin v Kildare, Meath
Kerry v Cork, Limerick
Though, given the previous league and championship performances you'd suggest that Meath, Cork and Limerick would need a really favorable draw to make it to the qfs. So Kerry probably won't have any other Munster representatives in the QF, Dublin could still have Kildare. And depending on results and the nature of the fixtures, Galway could have two and Derry could have 3 teams that they have already faced.
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Good to see Armagh out already ;).
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2022, 07:32:03 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Good to see Armagh out already ;).
Read it again and show where Armagh are out. Armagh doesn't get mentioned as there is no scenario where they are involved that will disrupt the QF fixtures.
There are no restrictions mentioned for the Rd 2 games, so Armagh can meet Donegal again. Then again, it would be typical of HQ to change the Rd 2 draw to eliminate such repeating fixtures.
Or would you prefer the sentence: Derry v Roscommon or the team that beats them, unless it's Monaghan or Tyrone that beat Roscommon.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Yes makes sense, also refer to my post above, I wasn't sure if the GAA would formally plan the QF match ups, leave it open to chance whilst hoping the draw would go the way they'd like in a ideal world.
Whilst it won't offically be said it is very unlikely the GAA would want Tyrone or Donegal in particular to be playing Dublin or Kerry in an All Ireland QF. That would potentially put the big All Ireland Semi Final at risk and would also open up the possibility of an All Ulster All Ireland Final when they might prefer two provinces involved.
If Round 2 and QF draw is left to a complete open draw those things could of course happen. Time will tell after this weekend games and how the GAA react.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 01, 2022, 05:19:52 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Yes makes sense, also refer to my post above, I wasn't sure if the GAA would formally plan the QF draw, leave it open to chance whilst hoping the draw would go the way they'd like in a ideal world.
Whilst it won't offically be said it is very unlikely the GAA would want Tyrone or Donegal in particular to be playing Dublin or Kerry in an All Ireland QF. That would potentially put the big All Ireland Semi Final at risk and would also open up a possibility of an All Ulster All Ireland Final when they might prefer two provinces involved.
If Round 2 and QF draw is left to a complete open draw those things could of course happen. Time will tell after this weekend games and how the GAA react.
Could you imagine! Spillanes head would explode.
What logic could they use for deliberately placing say Donegal onto the same side of the draw as Derry? Surely if you were doing anything you would be putting Donegal on the opposite side so you can't have a repeat pairing at the semi final stage.
I'm going to predict Armagh, Clare, Cork and Mayo to come through round 1 of the qualifiers.
Who would then face Donegal, Kildare, Limerick or Roscommon. All of the round one winners will be hoping to draw Limerick whilst the beaten provincial finalists all have a 50% chance of facing a division 2 team. There is still the prospect of at least three division 2 teams ending up in the quarter finals.
was just thinking do you think there is a good chance not one of the four losing provincial finalists make the last 8 has that happened before.
2010 all Provincial winners* lost Qtr Finals.
* Meath represented Leinster that year ;D
I think Kerry and Dublin have a good chance of meeting Tyrone/ Armagh. Mayo/Monaghan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 03, 2022, 11:41:19 AM
I think Kerry and Dublin have a good chance of meeting Tyrone/ Armagh. Mayo/Monaghan.
So true especially if they are drawn against them.
From GAA.IE
The draws for the Round 2 of the 2022 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship and the Tailteann Cup Semi-Finals will take place next Monday morning.
It will be broadcast live on Morning Ireland on RTE Radio 1 just after 8.30am.
2022 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Round 2
The Round 2 draw involves the four winners from Round 1 (Cork/Louth, Mayo/Monaghan, Clare/Meath & Armagh/Tyrone) against the four Provincial runners-up (Roscommon, Kildare, Limerick & Donegal).
An Open Draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Teams who have previously met in the Provincial championships can meet again in Round 2 of the Qualifiers.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee, and all fixtures details will be confirmed on Monday afternoon, with the fixtures scheduled for the weekend of 11th & 12th June.
Teams Involved:
Bowl 1
Cork/Louth
Mayo/Monaghan
Clare/Meath
Armagh/Tyrone
Bowl 2
Roscommon
Kildare
Limerick
Donegal
HT Cork 0-7 Louth 1-3
FT Cork 2-12 Louth 2-8
Both sides looked disappointing. Louth had no functional attack. Cork were poor. Low crowd. Doubt Cork go further unless they get Limerick.
Half time in Ennis, Clare 1-7 Meath 0-6
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 04, 2022, 06:41:48 PM
Half time in Ennis, Clare 1-7 Meath 0-6
Not a great contest. Game lacks edge, no atmosphere either. Both sides going through the motions. Clare on top and Meath had wind in first half. Meath made several changes to team.
Great win and deserved win for Clare. Missed a penalty late on and another goal chance well saved.
Standard of football in this years championship to date has been very poor. It's mostly, possession based fearful stuff with every team almost a mirror image of each other. Are there no innovative coaches out there who can think outside the box and implement a successful kicking game. The only decent half of football I've watched all championship was Cavan's first half performance against Donegal. Everything else was practically all the same type of dross.
What's gone wrong with Meath GAA?
Massive population, loads of cash, perfect land for good pitches?
Makes no sense.
is the attendances for qualifiers poor.
2,460 in Ennis, "around 3,000" in Cork, 16.5k in Castlebar.
Probably what you'd expect for those 3 games.
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2022, 01:05:51 AM
What's gone wrong with Meath GAA?
Massive population, loads of cash, perfect land for good pitches?
Makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense. They have been smothered by the Dublin juggernaut the last 20+ years.
Teams Involved:
Bowl 1
Cork/Louth
Mayo/Monaghan
Clare/Meath
Armagh/Tyrone
Bowl 2
Roscommon
Kildare
Limerick
Donegal
Based on yesterday's matches the losing provinicial finalists will hardly be too worried about what they watched. I'm sure all of them will still want to avoid the winners of the Armagh Tyrone game today.
Quote from: Estimator on June 05, 2022, 10:03:22 AM
Teams Involved:
Bowl 1
Cork/Louth
Mayo/Monaghan
Clare/Meath
Armagh/Tyrone
Bowl 2
Roscommon
Kildare
Limerick
Donegal
Based on yesterday's matches the losing provinicial finalists will hardly be too worried about what they watched. I'm sure all of them will still want to avoid the winners of the Armagh Tyrone game today.
All provincial finalists will be hoping to avoid Mayo, the most seasoned and experienced of the round 2 teams and will only improve after yesterdays 4 point win against Div 1 opposition.
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2022, 01:05:51 AM
What's gone wrong with Meath GAA?
Massive population, loads of cash, perfect land for good pitches?
Makes no sense.
Dublin GAA.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
Hard to know who I want, ideally Limerick, but that would leave us 'all is well we're off to Croke Park' malarkey before coming undone.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 05, 2022, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: highorlow on June 05, 2022, 01:05:51 AM
What's gone wrong with Meath GAA?
Massive population, loads of cash, perfect land for good pitches?
Makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense. They have been smothered by the Dublin juggernaut the last 20+ years.
I could write a book on what's wrong with Meath at the present time but the main thing appears to be the level of preparation and coaching from U20 and upwards. We have had decent competitive minors for the best part of a decade but that success hasn't been repeated as the players move up through the ranks. We're doing a certain amount right up to a point but way behind elsewhere.
As for the game this weekend, I was away and to honest I can't be bothered watching it. It wasn't a surprise at all and the writing was on the wall from the first round of the league this year when Galway held us scoreless for most of the game.
The McEntee era is over as far as everyone is concerned although I've not seen him announce it yet but he will be pushed out very quickly if he has any intention of staying on. Unlike previous years there is no one backing him this time. Apart from 2019 his tenure has been markedly underwhelming for all the promise he showed coming into the job. Sad fact is we haven't beaten a big team under him but hammered plenty of teams below us.
His continued selection of Shane McEntee has raised eyebrows from the beginning and bringing him back for the Dublin game this year shows how skewed Andy's perception of him is. Having Colm Nally as coach and Niall Ronan for S&C hasn't given us much
As for who is his replacement is uncertain right now. Lots of names being thrown about but the general sense is we need to look outside the county next time round.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 05, 2022, 08:55:28 PM
Hard to know who I want, ideally Limerick, but that would leave us 'all is well we're off to Croke Park' malarkey before coming undone.
Would like to avoid Donegal, but as you alluded to it could be a pyrrhic victory, as I feel it we meet Dublin or Kerry in QFinal we could get hammered, so our only chance of progressing would be to draw Derry assuming we cannot draw Galway. A lot of ifs and buts.
Genuinely think we'll beat any of the provincial final losers if the game is in Croker. Only concern is the amount of injuries we're picking up. Is next round of qualifiers this weekend?
Round 2 draw
Roscommon v Clare
Limerick v Cork
Kildare v Mayo
Donegal v Armagh
Donegal v Armagh was always happening. Unreal how the Ulster teams draw each other no matter the competition
Armagh v Donegal, what a surprise!
This draw is a joke.
Could have bet the pension on Donegal v Armagh
Surprise surprise.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 08:10:35 AM
Genuinely think we'll beat any of the provincial final losers if the game is in Croker. Only concern is the amount of injuries we're picking up. Is next round of qualifiers this weekend?
Yes. I think Armagh will beat Donegal to be honest
The only thing to do is laugh after that draw. How can 'a draw' throw up an all Ulster game time and time again? There were two Ulster counties left then by pure luck of the draw they get each other....🤔
Did they not say that the daw would avoid any rematch if possible.
Surely this was possible.
That shouldn't be allowed. Ffs how long is it since they played.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 06, 2022, 08:43:50 AM
Did they not say that the daw would avoid any rematch if possible.
Surely this was possible.
For quarter-finals only.
Neutral ground too so clones?
Every single fixture including Tailteann cup three out teams close to each other geographically. You just have to laugh, balls must have been in the oven.
Quote from: Gael80 on June 06, 2022, 08:43:23 AM
The only thing to do is laugh after that draw. How can 'a draw' throw up an all Ulster game time and time again? There were two Ulster counties left then by pure luck of the draw they get each other....🤔
Ballybofey, All Ireland Champions and Donegal again. Armagh certainly have not had luck of the draw this season.
Games are to be played at neutral venues. Omagh maybe? Help the Tyrone ones feel part of something still.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 30, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on May 30, 2022, 08:19:09 AM
No restrictions mentioned for Rd 2 draw...
"Round 2
11-12.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 1.
An open draw shall be made to determine the pairings.
Venues for Round 2 shall be determined by the CCCC."
So a Round 2 guaranteed fixture will be winners from Armagh/Tyrone v Donegal ;)
Yup, 4 to 1 chances do come in ::)
Quote from: An Watcher on June 06, 2022, 08:46:44 AM
Neutral ground too so clones?
Or a double-header in CP with Mayo/Kildare.
The gaa are a joke. It's purely for gate receipts.
Every single fixture including Tailteann cup threw out teams close to each other geographically. You just have to laugh, balls must have been in the oven.
4/1 chances do come in but every flipping draw. Tyrone Armagh, Cavan Fermanagh, Armagh Donegal. My interest is gone but I'd be p1ssed off if I was an armagh fan
Quote from: An Watcher on June 06, 2022, 08:53:45 AM
4/1 chances do come in but every flipping draw. Tyrone Armagh, Cavan Fermanagh, Armagh Donegal. My interest is gone but I'd be p1ssed off if I was an armagh fan
Cavan Down the week before too. Every draw where there was Ulster teams, they drew each other.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 06, 2022, 08:53:45 AM
4/1 chances do come in but every flipping draw. Tyrone Armagh, Cavan Fermanagh, Armagh Donegal. My interest is gone but I'd be p1ssed off if I was an armagh fan
You really do have to question the transparency of these draws ... if the GAA want to make them as see through as possible, why not have them on the Sunday Game either on afternoon or 9.30pm show. Instead, let's opt for radio on Monday morning ... I watched it on the live RTE News channel ... all you could hear were voices, with an odd cut over to the person doing the draw after they had opened it ... seriously, if the GAA want to be seen to be beyond reproach on these draws, then a rethink is needed. The 'coincidental' nature of the draws across both competitions week after week is fishy to say the least ... but surely the GAA and RTE would not be in cahoots with rigging a draw ???
If they are fixing it they aren't doing themselves any favours. Armagh would have brought a big crowd to any game this week. No need to put them v Donegal. And now they are going to be stuck with Cork or Limerick in a one sided quarter final that will interest no one. Even Roscommon or Clare won't bring a huge interest on the back of that victory.
Ah folks, there's no conspiracy, it's just a crap draw. I doubt there'll be many Donegal at it to be very honest.
Sickened with that draw
What a load of absolute shite...balls in the freezer
Armagh lethal but no way can they back it up 2 weeks in a row...Next to impossible
Soupy Campbell is up there with the best players in the country to watch
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 06, 2022, 09:01:21 AM
If they are fixing it they aren't doing themselves any favours. Armagh would have brought a big crowd to any game this week. No need to put them v Donegal. And now they are going to be stuck with Cork or Limerick in a one sided quarter final that will interest no one. Even Roscommon or Clare won't bring a huge interest on the back of that victory.
can't have them pesky Ulster teams getting to latter stages!
Anyway I'd say our lads will be chomping at the bit for another go at Donegal.
2022 Ulster roadshow episode 13 bring it on
Armagh great for drawing the short straw. Owe Donegal one big time Croke Park the occasion for it?
I go for roscommon, Cork, Mayo. Donegal,
Rest will be a big factor too. Donegal 13-14 days, armagh 6-7.
Added in likely 4/5 players armagh will be missing from their 1st ulster game, can only see 1 winner
Quote from: 5times5times on June 06, 2022, 09:11:43 AM
Rest will be a big factor too. Donegal 13-14 days, armagh 6-7.
Added in likely 4/5 players armagh will be missing from their 1st ulster game, can only see 1 winner
Think this might go against Donegal this time. Armagh back in the saddle, head of steam after beating Tyrone, while Donegal were still stewing on the defeat to Derry. I think Armagh might turn this one over from a month ago
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
Donegal dominating Armagh the last day, even on yesterday don't see enough change for a different result.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2022, 09:32:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 06, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 05, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
What I'm suggesting is that the preferred system for the quarter finals is the way it works for the minors every year, with the same provinces matched up each year. So this year Ulster and Connacht are paired...Ulster champion v Connacht runner-up or the team that beats them and vice versa. Same with Leinster and Munster.
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
That still doesn't leave only one possible outcome though? Maybe I'm missing something. What's to stop Derry getting Kildare, Dublin getting Donegal, Kerry getting Roscommon and Galway getting Limerick just as an example?
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
What I'm suggesting is that the preferred system for the quarter finals is the way it works for the minors every year, with the same provinces matched up each year. So this year Ulster and Connacht are paired...Ulster champion v Connacht runner-up or the team that beats them and vice versa. Same with Leinster and Munster.
I just don't think this is what is happening though. Everything I've read said open draw, avoiding the team you best in provincial final and avoiding repeat pairings where possible.
just seen the draw lol. Tyrone better off out of it now so we can recharge the batteries for next season.
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
What I'm suggesting is that the preferred system for the quarter finals is the way it works for the minors every year, with the same provinces matched up each year. So this year Ulster and Connacht are paired...Ulster champion v Connacht runner-up or the team that beats them and vice versa. Same with Leinster and Munster.
Minor is diff though. Has the back door in the provincial. You can bet your house on Armagh v Derry should they get past Donegal.
Derry can't get Donegal.
Galway can't get Mayo or Roscommon.
Dublin can't get Kildare.
Kerry can't face the winners of Cork or Limerick.
Which means Armagh and Clare (if they come through) can be paired up with any? That's how I make it out.
It's a head scrambler trying to work out the permutations but quite why the GAA allow repeat fixtures at last 12 stage but not at quarter final stage makes no sense. I'd say both Armagh and Donegal followers both let out a collective groan at that draw. Familiarity breeds contempt and in Armaghs case we always struggle against that defensive running type team. We don't have a good record against them but we do have a renewed energy after yesterdays win.
I just hope that we play to our own strengths next time out and play more of a kicking game rather than change tactics and go down the same route of trying to beat Donegal at their own game. If that's not good enough then so be it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2022, 10:10:23 AM
Derry can't get Donegal.
Galway can't get Mayo or Roscommon.
Dublin can't get Kildare.
Kerry can't face the winners of Cork or Limerick.
Which means Armagh and Clare (if they come through) can be paired up with any? That's how I make it out.
But if Mayo and Roscommon both win as expected then Armagh have a 50% chance of facing Galway.
One thing for sure, after Donegals showing in the Ulster Final, Michael Murphy will be spending at least some time in full forward, for the first time in years, that in itself will likely throw the cat among the pigeons, hoping for a really good game, venue is all important, I think Clones would favour Donegal, Croke would favour Armagh, it shouldn't matter but it can; the confidence of a win in Croke before an AI Quarter Final would make Armagh a tricky proposition for any provincial winner, I think they have the potential to go further in the competition than Donegal who are punch drunk at this stage
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Derry can't get Donegal.
Galway can't get Mayo or Roscommon.
Dublin can't get Kildare.
Kerry can't face the winners of Cork or Limerick.
Which means Armagh and Clare (if they come through) can be paired up with any? That's how I make it out.
But if Mayo and Roscommon both win as expected then Armagh have a 50% chance of facing Galway.
Galway have a 50% chance of facing Armagh in that instance. Armagh haven't played any of the provincial winners so could be drawn against any of them if you get me.
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon*, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal*, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick*, unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare*, unless Cork beat Kildare.
* = or the team that beats them
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
So either Mayo beating Donegal or Cork beating Kildare will upset this theory. Will see where the draw tomorrow morning leaves us.
How is that theory holding up now?
Soo.... If we beat Donegal we'll play Galway? Roll on this weekend!
If Gaaboardmod's info is correct yes.
But QF is an open draw? As far as I know Derry can face anyone that comes through these qualifiers apart from Donegal. Unless the mod is suggesting the draw is fixed?
But then Dublin can't play Kildare, Limerick/Cork can't play Kerry etc...
What I'm suggesting is that the preferred system for the quarter finals is the way it works for the minors every year, with the same provinces matched up each year. So this year Ulster and Connacht are paired...Ulster champion v Connacht runner-up or the team that beats them and vice versa. Same with Leinster and Munster.
Minor is diff though. Has the back door in the provincial. You can bet your house on Armagh v Derry should they get past Donegal.
I'm claiming an honorary ulster title if that happens and we beat Derry!
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One thing for sure, after Donegals showing in the Ulster Final, Michael Murphy will be spending at least some time in full forward, for the first time in years, that in itself will likely throw the cat among the pigeons, hoping for a really good game, venue is all important, I think Clones would favour Donegal, Croke would favour Armagh, it shouldn't matter but it can; the confidence of a win in Croke before an AI Quarter Final would make Armagh a tricky proposition for any provincial winner, I think they have the potential to go further in the competition than Donegal who are punch drunk at this stage
I agree we are probably punch drunk and I would not be surprised if the likes of Murphy, Langan, Eoghan Bán Gallagher are actually injured and will miss out. I'm very pessimistic about this one, I'd have preferred Mayo just to play outside of Ulster to be honest.
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It's a head scrambler trying to work out the permutations but quite why the GAA allow repeat fixtures at last 12 stage but not at quarter final stage makes no sense. I'd say both Armagh and Donegal followers both let out a collective groan at that draw. Familiarity breeds contempt and in Armaghs case we always struggle against that defensive running type team. We don't have a good record against them but we do have a renewed energy after yesterdays win.
I just hope that we play to our own strengths next time out and play more of a kicking game rather than change tactics and go down the same route of trying to beat Donegal at their own game. If that's not good enough then so be it.
we have to beat them some time. May as well be the weekend
The only pairings that can't be repeated are the provincial final pairings, ie Kerry can play cork but not limerick,
Galway can play Mayo but not Roscommon.
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It's a head scrambler trying to work out the permutations but quite why the GAA allow repeat fixtures at last 12 stage but not at quarter final stage makes no sense. I'd say both Armagh and Donegal followers both let out a collective groan at that draw. Familiarity breeds contempt and in Armaghs case we always struggle against that defensive running type team. We don't have a good record against them but we do have a renewed energy after yesterdays win.
I just hope that we play to our own strengths next time out and play more of a kicking game rather than change tactics and go down the same route of trying to beat Donegal at their own game. If that's not good enough then so be it.
we have to beat them some time. May as well be the weekend
agree with this, we should be up for this game.
lets attack their kick out and go for it
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The only pairings that can't be repeated are the provincial final pairings, ie Kerry can play cork but not limerick,
Galway can play Mayo but not Roscommon.
Wording from an official GAA communication is as follows:
Note: Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.
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The only pairings that can't be repeated are the provincial final pairings, ie Kerry can play cork but not limerick,
Galway can play Mayo but not Roscommon.
Wording from an official GAA communication is as follows:
Note: Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2022-gaa-football-all-ireland-series-launched/
Its in there somewhere
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The only pairings that can't be repeated are the provincial final pairings, ie Kerry can play cork but not limerick,
Galway can play Mayo but not Roscommon.
Wording from an official GAA communication is as follows:
Note: Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.
Clear as mud. So can Kerry play Cork again and can Galway face Mayo again?
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The only pairings that can't be repeated are the provincial final pairings, ie Kerry can play cork but not limerick,
Galway can play Mayo but not Roscommon.
Wording from an official GAA communication is as follows:
Note: Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.
Clear as mud. So can Kerry play Cork again and can Galway face Mayo again?
Would the bit in bold not mean you cant meet teams you already played at any stage (where possible)?
So Kerry cant meet Cork etc
Kerry v Mayo/Kildare, Armagh/Donegal, Clare/Roscommon
Dublin v Mayo (if they win), Armagh/Donegal, Clare/Roscommon, Cork/Limerick
Galway v Kildare (itw) , Armagh/Donegal, Clare (itw), Cork/Limerick
Derry v Mayo/Kildare, Armagh (itw), Clare/Roscommon, Cork/Limerick
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It's a head scrambler trying to work out the permutations but quite why the GAA allow repeat fixtures at last 12 stage but not at quarter final stage makes no sense. I'd say both Armagh and Donegal followers both let out a collective groan at that draw. Familiarity breeds contempt and in Armaghs case we always struggle against that defensive running type team. We don't have a good record against them but we do have a renewed energy after yesterdays win.
I just hope that we play to our own strengths next time out and play more of a kicking game rather than change tactics and go down the same route of trying to beat Donegal at their own game. If that's not good enough then so be it.
we have to beat them some time. May as well be the weekend
agree with this, we should be up for this game.
lets attack their kick out and go for it
I'm not too disappointed with the draw. Not saying Donegal will be easy and they've had our measure for a bit too long now, but it's a chance to right the wrongs of the last day. If they're still too good for us, fair enough but at least ask them a couple of questions this time around. Armagh need to be outside of their comfort zone if they're going to develop more as a team.
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Donegal dominating Armagh the last day, even on yesterday don't see enough change for a different result.
You don't like us very much Weasel do you? ;D
If Armagh were to win they're the one side I wouldn't want to draw in the AIQF
I'll be very surprised if we win this.
Armagh will learn lessons from the first game. Question is, will Bonner and Rochford learn any lessons from our last two games?
I'm not optimistic.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 06, 2022, 12:31:44 PM
If Armagh were to win they're the one side I wouldn't want to draw in the AIQF
If Armagh win, I think that's exactly what we will have ... Derry v Armagh. But let us navigate next weekend first.
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 12:33:07 PM
I'll be very surprised if we win this.
Armagh will learn lessons from the first game. Question is, will Bonner and Rochford learn any lessons from our last two games?
I'm not optimistic.
Donegals round 2 tie to lose. As for Armagh win or lose can still look back on yesterdays memorable occasion whereby the champions lost their crown.
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I'll be very surprised if we win this.
Armagh will learn lessons from the first game. Question is, will Bonner and Rochford learn any lessons from our last two games?
I'm not optimistic.
Donegals round 2 tie to lose. As for Armagh win or lose can still look back on yesterdays memorable occasion whereby the champions lost their crown.
Yesterday will mean nothing if Armagh don't push on and at least give it a go against Donegal. Venue will be an important factor I think ... and the ref. of course ... will take Coldrick any time since he is onto the playing for a free that many teams have gotten away with for far too long ... other refs. need to take note.
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I'll be very surprised if we win this.
Armagh will learn lessons from the first game. Question is, will Bonner and Rochford learn any lessons from our last two games?
I'm not optimistic.
Donegals round 2 tie to lose. As for Armagh win or lose can still look back on yesterdays memorable occasion whereby the champions lost their crown.
Yesterday will mean nothing if Armagh don't push on and at least give it a go against Donegal. Venue will be an important factor I think ... and the ref. of course ... will take Coldrick any time since he is onto the playing for a free that many teams have gotten away with for far too long ... other refs. need to take note.
as long as it isnt barry cassidy,
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I'll be very surprised if we win this.
Armagh will learn lessons from the first game. Question is, will Bonner and Rochford learn any lessons from our last two games?
I'm not optimistic.
Donegals round 2 tie to lose. As for Armagh win or lose can still look back on yesterdays memorable occasion whereby the champions lost their crown.
I'm not sure. After the euphoria of yesterdays victory dies down, if we were to get beat next week it would still have been an average season. At the start of the championship we needed to get to a provincial final or an AI quarter final. If we get to an AI QF in Croke Park and be competitive then I think it will have been a good season but getting beat again by Donegal would be a bit of a downer. We haven't had much luck with the draws it has to be said. If we get over Donegal it would be nice to be in the Derry/Galway half because there are about 4/5 sides who will see a great opportunity to get to an AI final.
If we go out with the same type of flat performance again against Donegal, the Tyrone performance and result will count for sweet FA. We need to be showing a lot more this time round. Most Armagh supporters will be looking first and foremost for the same type of intensity as yesterday and then see where that takes us against Donegal.
Clones Sunday at 4pm for Donegal v Armagh it seems.
Apparently fixed for Clones 4pm... god help anyone from north and west Donegal
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Apparently fixed for Clones 4pm... god help anyone from north and west Donegal
Yeah and they'll be late home on Sunday as well ;)
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Apparently fixed for Clones 4pm... god help anyone from north and west Donegal
Yeah and they'll be late home on Sunday as well ;)
haha it's god's country boyo ;D
Ah jesus I'm just reading on Fintan O'Toole's twitter that they've fixed a double header on the Saturday in Croke Park.. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva at 5pm, Mayo Kildare at 6pm? Dragging Clare, Roscommon and Mayo to the capital? Are they mad?
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 06, 2022, 01:49:47 PM
Ah jesus I'm just reading on Fintan O'Toole's twitter that they've fixed a double header on the Saturday in Croke Park.. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva at 5pm, Mayo Kildare at 6pm? Dragging Clare, Roscommon and Mayo to the capital? Are they mad?
Makes no sense, not to mention the cost of taking supporters across the country. Big stadium, no atmosphere. Croke Park should not be used before the QF stage. Smaller provincial grounds have a much better atmosphere.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 06, 2022, 01:49:47 PM
Ah jesus I'm just reading on Fintan O'Toole's twitter that they've fixed a double header on the Saturday in Croke Park.. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva at 5pm, Mayo Kildare at 6pm? Dragging Clare, Roscommon and Mayo to the capital? Are they mad?
A bit daft alright.
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Quote from: JoeSoap on June 06, 2022, 01:49:47 PM
Ah jesus I'm just reading on Fintan O'Toole's twitter that they've fixed a double header on the Saturday in Croke Park.. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva at 5pm, Mayo Kildare at 6pm? Dragging Clare, Roscommon and Mayo to the capital? Are they mad?
A bit daft alright.
f**king ludicrous.
Its also the chance to give an economic boost to somewhere other than Dublin/Croke; how don't CP see this? More gravy into Dublin who already get more than their fair share.
Keeping box holders and premium tickets holders happy?
Thats the only logical reason I can see, I can imagine James Horan & Anthony Cunningham both been happy with it too.
AC and Horan will be happy to get a game in Croker, Clare will be delighted with themselves while Kildare won't have to do much travelling.
Dragging 3 Western Counties to Dublin for Saturday evening games not a good idea. Lack of return public transport options will mean loads of car journeys. Live TV will cause the more casual followers to stay at home.
Doubt if crowd will reach 20k and 30% of them won't be paying as they'll have the Premium/Box seats.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
AC and Horan will be happy to get a game in Croker, Clare will be delighted with themselves while Kildare won't have to do much travelling.
Dragging 3 Western Counties to Dublin for Saturday evening games not a good idea. Lack of return public transport options will mean loads of car journeys. Live TV will cause the more casual followers to stay at home.
Doubt if crowd will reach 20k and 30% of them won't be paying as they'll have the Premium/Box seats.
tbf its a fkup
dragging armagh and donegal to clones is another joke
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
AC and Horan will be happy to get a game in Croker, Clare will be delighted with themselves while Kildare won't have to do much travelling.
Dragging 3 Western Counties to Dublin for Saturday evening games not a good idea. Lack of return public transport options will mean loads of car journeys. Live TV will cause the more casual followers to stay at home.
Doubt if crowd will reach 20k and 30% of them won't be paying as they'll have the Premium/Box seats.
tbf its a fkup
dragging armagh and donegal to clones is another joke
Why do you say that? It is a neutral venue with room for everyone? I'd say Armagh would bring a substantial crowd anyway, whatever about Donegal.
Michael has a point
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Michael has a point
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Hard to disagree with that.
Leinster Final on a Saturday evening at 7 pm.
Should have been in Tullamore or somewhere.
GAA would have sold more tickets plus better atmosphere in the ground.
As well as boosting the local economy.
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 06, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
AC and Horan will be happy to get a game in Croker, Clare will be delighted with themselves while Kildare won't have to do much travelling.
Dragging 3 Western Counties to Dublin for Saturday evening games not a good idea. Lack of return public transport options will mean loads of car journeys. Live TV will cause the more casual followers to stay at home.
Doubt if crowd will reach 20k and 30% of them won't be paying as they'll have the Premium/Box seats.
tbf its a fkup
dragging armagh and donegal to clones is another joke
Why do you say that? It is a neutral venue with room for everyone? I'd say Armagh would bring a substantial crowd anyway, whatever about Donegal.
Quick nip over the road for majority of Armagh, it's 2 hours minimum without traffic for vast majority travelling from Donegal. With the nightmare of getting in and out of Clones you're more likely saying 3 hours. My uncle did not get in the door after the Ulster final until 11pm to west Donegal. He has already said he won't be going on Sunday.
I doubt we would have brought a big crowd even if it was in Enniskillen or Omagh or somewhere like that to be honest, but any chance of a decent Donegal support will be dented now with that venue and time. The only benefit in terms of getting out of Clones is that Armagh fans will not be going the same direction. But I know Clones will put off a good chunk of Donegal fans unfortunately.
Cannot see the logic in these venues myself. A full to the gills Healy Park or Hyde Park would immediately feel like a championship game.
25k crowds in Croke have the opposite effect.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Clones Sunday at 4pm for Donegal v Armagh it seems.
Why not Omagh or Enniskillen on Saturday evening?
Madness.
Its the faceless pen pushers on these GAA committees that annoy me. Who makes these decisions? Why not offer some justification for putting those games in Croke Park?
They surely know Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva Saturday and there are no hotels available for supporters travelling?
Honestly with the price of fuel and extortionate/non existent accommodation in Dublin now I think a large number of supporters have no interest in Croke Park outside All Ireland finals. The pathetic attendances then make the experience even worse and the catering there hs very poor by all accounts.
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Clones Sunday at 4pm for Donegal v Armagh it seems.
Why not Omagh or Enniskillen on Saturday evening?
Madness.
Sunday suits as many people as Saturday. And while you are saying that people will not come from outer Donegal, at least in Clones anyone who wants a ticket will be able to get one.
The GAA is a business.
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
Where's Casement Pk when you need it.
Clones suits Armagh although coming from north of the Co it will be 80-90 mins and Clones is terrible to park and get in and out of but glad it's there and not Croke Park. Wouldn't have been surprised if they'd fixed it for the Hyde knowing them
In 2005 I recall attending a qualifier double header in Croke Park, 3 Ulster teams and Laois. The attendance was 36000 that day.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2022, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Clones Sunday at 4pm for Donegal v Armagh it seems.
Why not Omagh or Enniskillen on Saturday evening?
Madness.
Sunday suits as many people as Saturday. And while you are saying that people will not come from outer Donegal, at least in Clones anyone who wants a ticket will be able to get one.
I'd be fairly confident Omagh or Bewster could easily accommodate this match.
I'll be stunned if you get 5K from Donegal for this, especially if you're looking at getting home between 9 and 11pm on a work night.
The venue decision is made primarily on what is best commercially for the GAA. The ordinary match going fan are treated as consumers and the GAA need to maximise lost revenue from Joe Public after 2 years of reduced match day revenue. That's the sad reality but I can see an awful lot of people choosing to stay at home on Saturday in particular.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
Are you saying there would have been more people in Croke Park than in Tullamore say, last Saturday evening?
How many people are needed in CP to make it viable, business wise?
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2022, 06:02:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 06, 2022, 01:28:31 PM
Clones Sunday at 4pm for Donegal v Armagh it seems.
Why not Omagh or Enniskillen on Saturday evening?
Madness.
Sunday suits as many people as Saturday. And while you are saying that people will not come from outer Donegal, at least in Clones anyone who wants a ticket will be able to get one.
I'd be fairly confident Omagh or Bewster could easily accommodate this match.
I'll be stunned if you get 5K from Donegal for this, especially if you're looking at getting home between 9 and 11pm on a work night.
Again it's a commercial decision I'd say, the GAA lose Vat on matches held in the north. They will have worked out which venue they can get the most revenue from and made the decision accordingly.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
The GAA is a business.
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
The GAA is not a business, it is an association of its members, and the welfare of those members should be a concern. Businesses in Roscommon or Tullamore might well be putting something in the GAA, whereas many in Dublin do not.
It isn't clear what maximises revenue for the GAA in this case. Croker is expensive to operate, will it get more people?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2022, 06:36:43 PM
Again it's a commercial decision I'd say, the GAA lose Vat on matches held in the north. They will have worked out which venue they can get the most revenue from and made the decision accordingly.
Is that VAT thing actually true. Was there not some discussion about that? Anyone in the accounting end know?
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
I'd be fairly confident Omagh or Bewster could easily accommodate this match.
I'll be stunned if you get 5K from Donegal for this, especially if you're looking at getting home between 9 and 11pm on a work night.
Games of any importance were always typically at 3:30 on a Sunday, does having it at 4pm actually make that much of a difference? Unless you live on Tory island you'd be home at 8:30pm and have your tea before the Sunday Game.
Now the electronic distribution of tickets does make things easier, allowing a ground be filled effectively, so in that respect Brewster or Omagh is easier than in the past. But having some capacity means that you can send the clubs a sufficiency of tickets, if people want them, and have them online as well.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
The GAA is a business.
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
You must be thinking of the Premier League. The GAA is primarily an amateur sporting and cultural organisation that promotes Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Your comment that GAA is not concerned by fan welfare or local communities is not true, but the way it is being run by the accountants in Croke Park one might be misled into thinking that.
GAA should not be above maximising profits about fan welfare or local communities. It has become like that but isn't in tune with the ethos of the organisation.
Doesn't the fixing of these games in Croke Park run totally against the reasoning we got for Tailteann Cup regionalisation split? Like less travel and fuel costs for teams and supporters, more interest locally etc.
Quote from: full moon on June 06, 2022, 07:06:18 PM
Doesn't the fixing of these games in Croke Park run totally against the reasoning we got for Tailteann Cup regionalisation split? Like less travel and fuel costs for teams and supporters, more interest locally etc.
Very good point. It's either one or the other but it can't be both. They should come out and give their reasoning for asking 3 western counties supporters to trek across the country on 5 hour round trips.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 06, 2022, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
The GAA is a business.
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
The GAA is not a business, it is an association of its members, and the welfare of those members should be a concern. Businesses in Roscommon or Tullamore might well be putting something in the GAA, whereas many in Dublin do not.
It isn't clear what maximises revenue for the GAA in this case. Croker is expensive to operate, will it get more people?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 06, 2022, 06:36:43 PM
Again it's a commercial decision I'd say, the GAA lose Vat on matches held in the north. They will have worked out which venue they can get the most revenue from and made the decision accordingly.
Is that VAT thing actually true. Was there not some discussion about that? Anyone in the accounting end know?
Quote from: J70 on June 06, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
I'd be fairly confident Omagh or Bewster could easily accommodate this match.
I'll be stunned if you get 5K from Donegal for this, especially if you're looking at getting home between 9 and 11pm on a work night.
Games of any importance were always typically at 3:30 on a Sunday, does having it at 4pm actually make that much of a difference? Unless you live on Tory island you'd be home at 8:30pm and have your tea before the Sunday Game.
Now the electronic distribution of tickets does make things easier, allowing a ground be filled effectively, so in that respect Brewster or Omagh is easier than in the past. But having some capacity means that you can send the clubs a sufficiency of tickets, if people want them, and have them online as well.
The Vat thing used to be true it was a big part of the reason for having Ulster finals in Clones, I'm not sure if it's still the case.
If you are bringing teams across the country tickets should be around €25 and there should be links with transport too.
Kildare fans won't travel and are giving out about Croker Park and there is some love for Tullamore, even though less than 5000 went to the first game in Leinster there. Being honest, the stadium just has such a negative for fans now after all the hidings from the Dubs.
I'd say it would be good for Mayo as a team to get a game there and probably a win.
Quote from: full moon on June 06, 2022, 07:01:14 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 06, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
The GAA is a business.
It's not there to sort out local communities or think about fan welfare.
It's about maximising profits and honouring contracts.
The welfare of Pubs, shops and petrol stations in Roscommon or Tullamore is of no concern to the GAA.
You must be thinking of the Premier League. The GAA is primarily an amateur sporting and cultural organisation that promotes Gaelic Games and pastimes.
Your comment that GAA is not concerned by fan welfare or local communities is not true, but the way it is being run by the accountants in Croke Park one might be misled into thinking that.
GAA should not be above maximising profits about fan welfare or local communities. It has become like that but isn't in tune with the ethos of the organisation.
Your reply is a loaded with contradictions. You seem unsure of the ethos of the organisation.
Is the Cork v Limerick game in the neutral venue of Corks home ground? If it is then is this because of the agreement between Munster counties in terms of alternating home advantage
Cork are great at finding some agreement in the archives that proves they're entitled to a home game.
A procedure fine tuned for near 50 years by Frank Murphy ;D
Why would any footballer want to play championship in a stadium that's 80% empty? Even if it's a home fixture I don't understand it.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 10:46:31 PM
Why would any footballer want to play championship in a stadium that's 80% empty? Even if it's a home fixture I don't understand it.
Because it's Croke Park. It's where every player aspires to play one day!
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 10:46:31 PM
Why would any footballer want to play championship in a stadium that's 80% empty? Even if it's a home fixture I don't understand it.
What do you want them to do? Turn up for a game then say "I'm not playing the place is only 20% full"
Mayo people don't mind going to Croker. It's all about the journey for them. :)
is there anything special about playing in croke park anymore
if croke park did not exists or was smaller the ireland final could be rotated around the 4 provinces each season
Any news on season ticket processing for this weekend?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 07, 2022, 12:18:55 AM
Mayo people don't mind going to Croker. It's all about the journey for them. :)
For Mayo people Croke Park is more like an opera house.
Mayo co board Chairman expecting upto 50,000 in Croker this Saturday, not sure he's read the room.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2022, 09:39:39 AM
Any news on season ticket processing for this weekend?
Online sales from 12 today.
Hopefully we'll be getting emails before then?
As for the Rhubarb Cathaoirleach......
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2022, 09:52:56 AM
Mayo co board Chairman expecting upto 50,000 in Croker this Saturday, not sure he's read the room.
Half that figure. I'd expect around 25,000 perhaps. What was the Leinster Hurling final ?
Surely alarm bells are ringing in Croke Park, it's an 82,000 seater stadium that they can barely get a quarter full. They've even stopped announcing attendances or releasing figures as it's embarrassing. Thats what corporate greed and lack of concern for supporters gets you.
The Tailteann Cup games will be even less. There are no hotels available for any of these games under 400 quid. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva same time Saturday and Dermot Kennedy has a concert.
. There are no hotels available for any of these games under 400 quid. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva same time Saturday and Dermot Kennedy has a concert.
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the reality is dublin hotels are becoming extotionate.
used to always stay down when the county was playing, now its there and back in teh car or via the train
Quote from: naka on June 07, 2022, 10:29:03 AM
. There are no hotels available for any of these games under 400 quid. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva same time Saturday and Dermot Kennedy has a concert.
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the reality is dublin hotels are becoming extotionate.
used to always stay down when the county was playing, now its there and back in teh car or via the train
Hotels in Dublin are an absolute joke. I don't know who is booking these rooms at these rates. People are either living way beyond their means or there is a serious amount of money floating around the country somewhere.
Quote from: naka on June 07, 2022, 10:29:03 AM
. There are no hotels available for any of these games under 400 quid. Ireland are playing Scotland in the Aviva same time Saturday and Dermot Kennedy has a concert.
the reality is dublin hotels are becoming extotionate.
used to always stay down when the county was playing, now its there and back in teh car or via the train
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Yeah. Rip off Dublin hotels but that much else going on that they'll get it.
As I stated, move the games to good central locations.
Better for everybody.
Double Room for the weekend of the AIQF cost me £253.
I booked it just in case I couldn't get anything else but it is extortionate! Luckily enough I'm able to stay at a mates place!
Quote from: screenexile on June 07, 2022, 11:13:59 AM
Double Room for the weekend of the AIQF cost me £253.
I booked it just in case I couldn't get anything else but it is extortionate! Luckily enough I'm able to stay at a mates place!
That's steep for one night alright.
Even Air B'n'B's are pricey now also.
Hard with a family say and the game is on late on a Saturday evening at 7 pm say.
Either pay a big whack or drive home that night. Tough with kids.
Anyone ever took a one year old to game in croke park? Not walking yet so is it a nightmare?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 07, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Hotels in Dublin are an absolute joke. I don't know who is booking these rooms at these rates. People are either living way beyond their means or there is a serious amount of money floating around the country somewhere.
Thought it was a case that the hotels are full of Ukrainian refugee families meaning whatever available rooms there are, they are being sold at a premium?
Quote from: clarshack on June 07, 2022, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 07, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Hotels in Dublin are an absolute joke. I don't know who is booking these rooms at these rates. People are either living way beyond their means or there is a serious amount of money floating around the country somewhere.
Thought it was a case that the hotels are full of Ukrainian refugee families meaning whatever available rooms there are, they are being sold at a premium?
Not sure to be honest. That could well be the case. Still a rip-off.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 07, 2022, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 07, 2022, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 07, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Hotels in Dublin are an absolute joke. I don't know who is booking these rooms at these rates. People are either living way beyond their means or there is a serious amount of money floating around the country somewhere.
Thought it was a case that the hotels are full of Ukrainian refugee families meaning whatever available rooms there are, they are being sold at a premium?
Not sure to be honest. That could well be the case. Still a rip-off.
It sure is a rip-off.
Had a great weekend in Glasgow a couple of months ago and a family room for the 2 nights (premier inn) in the city centre was only £175.
Anyone remember it used to be said that anything under 30,000 and Croke Park was operating at a loss? It's mostly under that now. I wonder is it covered with higher prices
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 07, 2022, 09:52:56 AM
Mayo co board Chairman expecting upto 50,000 in Croker this Saturday, not sure he's read the room.
He's living in a parallel universe
Quote from: clarshack on June 07, 2022, 12:05:39 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 07, 2022, 10:47:17 AM
Hotels in Dublin are an absolute joke. I don't know who is booking these rooms at these rates. People are either living way beyond their means or there is a serious amount of money floating around the country somewhere.
Thought it was a case that the hotels are full of Ukrainian refugee families meaning whatever available rooms there are, they are being sold at a premium?
That's basically the issue, there's thousands of Ukrainians staying in hotels Dublin as well as an increase in asylum seekers this year that also stay in mostly hotels. Then you have emergency accommodation due to the housing crisis, and the return of tourists this year with deep pockets.
The rub of it is, they don't need or care about domestic bookings because they are full with the rest. It falls down to the Government block booking hotels throughout the country because they have no accommodation of their own. It's their fault and the knock-on effects are bad for concert goers, sporting events and tourism in general.
But Croke Park HQ know all this and went ahead with scheduling these games there anyway with no hotels or accommodation available.
Jurys Inn Parnell Street asking 585 euro for the night of June 25th for 2 people on booking.com .... that's one night in a Jurys Inn ... WTF!
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2022, 03:11:07 PM
Jurys Inn Parnell Street asking 585 euro for the night of June 25th for 2 people on booking.com .... that's one night in a Jurys Inn ... WTF!
Does that include a bird in the room?
Quote from: Orior on June 07, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2022, 03:11:07 PM
Jurys Inn Parnell Street asking 585 euro for the night of June 25th for 2 people on booking.com .... that's one night in a Jurys Inn ... WTF!
Does that include a bird in the room?
you have to bring your own
Quote from: Orior on June 07, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 07, 2022, 03:11:07 PM
Jurys Inn Parnell Street asking 585 euro for the night of June 25th for 2 people on booking.com .... that's one night in a Jurys Inn ... WTF!
Does that include a bird in the room?
For that price it should
Holy shit
I sense plenty of apathy amongst the Mayo support, it will be their smallest support at a championship game in a long time.
Expect Mayo to win, Kildare should cause them plenty of problems but they can't be trusted to perform. Ability wise that looks a very talented Kildare team to an outsider, so far management haven't found a formula to get the best out of them.
Ryan O'Donoghue would be a huge loss, he's Mayo's best forward. Runs all day, is quick & dynamic and generates his own scores but you can trust Mayo to turn up and do what they always do which is something that can't be said of Kildare.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 08, 2022, 12:02:10 PM
I sense plenty of apathy amongst the Mayo support, it will be their smallest support at a championship game in a long time.
Expect Mayo to win, Kildare should cause them plenty of problems but they can't be trusted to perform. Ability wise that looks a very talented Kildare team to an outsider, so far management haven't found a formula to get the best out of them.
Ryan O'Donoghue would be a huge loss, he's Mayo's best forward. Runs all day, is quick & dynamic and generates his own scores but you can trust Mayo to turn up and do what they always do which is something that can't be said of Kildare.
Covid made people realise there are other things to do with the family, than trapse up and down to Dublin.
Cost of living has seen people get more careful with their money.
Last years loss to Tyrone made people realise its not really about the journey...........it's about the result.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 08, 2022, 12:58:49 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 08, 2022, 12:02:10 PM
I sense plenty of apathy amongst the Mayo support, it will be their smallest support at a championship game in a long time.
Expect Mayo to win, Kildare should cause them plenty of problems but they can't be trusted to perform. Ability wise that looks a very talented Kildare team to an outsider, so far management haven't found a formula to get the best out of them.
Ryan O'Donoghue would be a huge loss, he's Mayo's best forward. Runs all day, is quick & dynamic and generates his own scores but you can trust Mayo to turn up and do what they always do which is something that can't be said of Kildare.
Covid made people realise there are other things to do with the family, than trapse up and down to Dublin.
Cost of living has seen people get more careful with their money.
Last years loss to Tyrone made people realise its not really about the journey...........it's about the result.
Of course it's all about the bloody result.
Any chance Kildare could bate ye?
They have a few handy forwards.
Course they could, both teams well used to Croker Park, you'd imagine Kildare will be bulling from the Dublin defeat so theres every reason they could win.
Kildare are very open down the middle, but not sure if Mayo have the scoring power to take advantage of that currently.
Saying that I thought Mayo were moving very well, especially in the first half the last day, just missing a good run, if they had scored another goal before half time I think they would have run away with it.
But Kildare can absolutley win Saturday.
12 teams left.
6 D1 (Minus Tyrone and Monaghan)
5 D2 (Minus 2 in Tailteann -Offaly and Down , plus Meath)
1 D3 (Limerick)
Limerick now officially D2, Offaly and Down D3
Quote from: Rossfan on June 08, 2022, 02:00:31 PM
Any chance Kildare could bate ye?
They have a few handy forwards.
A few handy defenders are probably more important when you fare up against any top 6 team in Croke Park. I'd say Kildare would have liked this game to be played anywhere but Croke Park. Outside of All-Ireland finals only Dublin have a better record in Croke Park than Mayo.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v
Roscommon or Clare
Galway v
Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v
Limerick or Cork
Kerry v
Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Edit 13June before official draw.
On the matter of vat, all vat must be returned to the revenue commissioner and would not be considered as revenue by any business, those who do finish up in a bad place😳 therefore vat would not be a consideration in the venue for any game.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 08, 2022, 09:18:59 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final
if we can get over Donegal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 09, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 08, 2022, 09:18:59 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 01, 2022, 02:04:47 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final if we can get over Donegal.
Enough of that talk ... Galway, Derry well capable of taking out anyone on their day as well. Laser focus on this Sunday and nothing else.
Are we talking hot cylinders and cold cylinders in this pre arranged staged draw?
Do the hot ones play each other or us it hot v cold?
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final if we can get over Donegal.
Enough of that talk ... Galway, Derry well capable of taking out anyone on their day as well. Laser focus on this Sunday and nothing else.
Lol a man can dream! Sunday is massive
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final if we can get over Donegal.
Enough of that talk ... Galway, Derry well capable of taking out anyone on their day as well. Laser focus on this Sunday and nothing else.
Lol a man can dream! Sunday is massive
Quoting Ciaran whelan on RTE on Mayo "struggling to break down defensive systems they are likely to come up against on that side of the draw."
Is it definitive that Q/final draw is pre ordained, or is that just rumor.
if this is the case, and winners of ;
Mayo V Kildare will play Kerry
Cork V Limerick play Dublin
Why would Mayo or Kildare show up in significant numbers to their game, in the knowledge that the winners of that will play Kerry and will be huge underdogs.
why would Cork v Limerick attract more than 2k, knowing that winners will definitely play Dublin and most likely get clobbered.
Surely the GAA cannot be that stupid.
We would struggle with Derry's defence too.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2022, 06:27:03 AM
We would struggle with Derry's defence too.
What the rte commentators and detractors of the Ulster final did not see, or appreciate, was how well organised Derry were in their defense. Donegal had very few options when they had worked their way to midfield. Derry appear to have an instant reset button when they lose control of the ball.
I'd imagine the gaa will have a press release today regarding the quarter finals. I believe it will be an open draw as such but there can't be repeat pairing of teams from provincial finals and they'll try to avoid repeat pairings from earlier in the championship as well. That would rule out Galway getting Mayo or Kerry Cork.
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final if we can get over Donegal.
Enough of that talk ... Galway, Derry well capable of taking out anyone on their day as well. Laser focus on this Sunday and nothing else.
Lol a man can dream! Sunday is massive
Quoting Ciaran whelan on RTE on Mayo "struggling to break down defensive systems they are likely to come up against on that side of the draw."
Is it definitive that Q/final draw is pre ordained, or is that just rumor.
if this is the case, and winners of ;
Mayo V Kildare will play Kerry
Cork V Limerick play Dublin
Why would Mayo or Kildare show up in significant numbers to their game, in the knowledge that the winners of that will play Kerry and will be huge underdogs.
why would Cork v Limerick attract more than 2k, knowing that winners will definitely play Dublin and most likely get clobbered.
Surely the GAA cannot be that stupid.
If thats the attitude then why bother even entering a team- you're going to have to play the big boys eventually. Personally absolutely buzzing for Donegal on Saturday and would love to see Armagh playing one of the big boys down the line.
Listening to a podcast this morning and remembered about the time the PUL community reps asked for the Olympic squad to be renamed Team UK (from Team GB), in doing so admitting they full well know they aren't British, and then followed it up by refusing to play groundball for said Team GB in the Olympics.
Total 💩 for brains.
You can't please these people and that will be their undoing.
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We would struggle with Derry's defence too.
What the rte commentators and detractors of the Ulster final did not see, or appreciate, was how well organised Derry were in their defense. Donegal had very few options when they had worked their way to midfield. Derry appear to have an instant reset button when they lose control of the ball.
Derry were playing catenaccio hi.
Two changes to the Mayo team from last weekend. Jason Doherty, Conor Loftus in for Aidan Orme and Bryan Walsh.
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Kerry, Dublin and Mayo all on one side of the draw? I really fancy our chances of getting to a final if we can get over Donegal.
Enough of that talk ... Galway, Derry well capable of taking out anyone on their day as well. Laser focus on this Sunday and nothing else.
Lol a man can dream! Sunday is massive
Quoting Ciaran whelan on RTE on Mayo "struggling to break down defensive systems they are likely to come up against on that side of the draw."
Is it definitive that Q/final draw is pre ordained, or is that just rumor.
if this is the case, and winners of ;
Mayo V Kildare will play Kerry
Cork V Limerick play Dublin
Why would Mayo or Kildare show up in significant numbers to their game, in the knowledge that the winners of that will play Kerry and will be huge underdogs.
why would Cork v Limerick attract more than 2k, knowing that winners will definitely play Dublin and most likely get clobbered.
Surely the GAA cannot be that stupid.
If thats the attitude then why bother even entering a team- you're going to have to play the big boys eventually. Personally absolutely buzzing for Donegal on Saturday and would love to see Armagh playing one of the big boys down the line.
Exactly ,
there is also an insinuation there the GAA should fix the Draw to get Maximun crowds.
have people forgotten its sport at the end of the day ,
who care what size of a crowd is there other than the Croke park accountants . Had mayo won 2020 pandemic i would have been quite happy.
And yes a large part of it is the journey which is why mayo will bring the biggest crowd to croker saturday
jason and connor in for Orme and Walsh
Mayo (All-Ireland Qualifiers Round 2 v Kildare, 11/6/2022):
Rob Hennelly (Breaffy);
Lee Keegan (Westport), Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine), Enda Hession (Garrymore);
Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels), Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore, captain), Eoghan McLaughlin (Westport);
Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), Matthew Ruane (Breaffy); Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber), Jason Doherty (Burrishoole), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers);
James Carr (Ardagh), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Cillian O'Connor (Ballintubber).
Kildare must be a decent bet at 11/4
Anyone take a one year old to croker before?
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Anyone take a one year old to croker before?
Can't get a babysitter? :D
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Anyone take a one year old to croker before?
I have , depends on the child . If child is happy enough to sit on ur knee you will be sound . If child likes to wreck about you won't see much of the game
Quote from: befair on June 10, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
Kildare must be a decent bet at 11/4
God, I don't know about that.
C'mon Ros💛💛💙
Shocking crowd can hear players talking is there even 10k in at it right now? People voting with their feet with the decision to put this in Croker
Mayo Chairman said there be 50 there lol. Price of petrol €2.20 and above today
Some of the decisions coming out of croke Park this year are ridiculous. Every other week there seems to be something.
Good game so far.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 11, 2022, 04:16:22 PM
Some of the decisions coming out of croke Park this year are ridiculous. Every other week there seems to be something.
Shameful, the buck should stop with Tom Ryan and the new President McCarthy who seem no addition. Then the faceless anonymous committees that refuse to make public their justifications for decisions or even their names.
It's more of a dictatorship ran by accountants than a democracy. The likes of today an empty Croke Park is all these accountants will understand.
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Quote from: An Watcher on June 11, 2022, 04:16:22 PM
Some of the decisions coming out of croke Park this year are ridiculous. Every other week there seems to be something.
Shameful, the buck should stop with Tom Ryan and the new President McCarthy who seem no addition. Then the faceless anonymous committees that refuse to make public their justifications for decisions or even their names.
It's more of a dictatorship ran by accountants than a democracy. The likes of today an empty Croke Park is all these accountants will understand.
+1
So FFin stupid
HT Clare 1-10 Ros 1-8
Some great scores kicked by both sides. Clare deserve their lead, but a couple of important Ros scores in the last minute. In the melting pot. I;d expect Ros to pull through, but Clare certainly no pushovers
Roscommon playing like a team who were thinking of the QF before winning this one.
Good game.
Very enjoyable compared to some of the muck we've witnessed this season.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 11, 2022, 04:48:25 PM
Roscommon playing like a team who were thinking of the QF before winning this one.
Good game.
The radio commentator said that the Rossies had not won in Croke Park in championship since beating Armagh in 1980 (and they only got going that day when Colm McKinstry went off). That seems a very long time, but they seem to be ending that today.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1535628864852049920
McGuinness and Canavan criticise Croke Park for the games. Also interesting they suggest Mayo could not find a hotel in Dublin and will be traveling up and back to Mayo tonight
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsGAA/status/1535628864852049920
McGuinness and Canavan criticise Croke Park for the games. Also interesting they suggest Mayo could not find a hotel in Dublin and will be traveling up and back to Mayo tonight
More than likely too expensive, same as kerry hurlers last Saturday
Any links for the 2nd game?
What a last 10 mins by Clare. I predicted Roscommon but delighted to see the Banner win
Fair fucks to Clare. some comeback!
What a sickener for Ros. Comhbrón
Quote from: bennydorano on June 11, 2022, 04:48:25 PM
Roscommon playing like a team who were thinking of the QF before winning this one.
Good game.
Roscommon managed to do it twice
Really poor by Roscommon once again, had that game won and then collapsed at the end. Credit to Clare good win by them again.
Not sure where Roscommon go from here after that.
Jesus. That's a sickener. Fair play Clare, a great way to win a game.
Great game. Rossies played better in the second half, but smash and grab at the end by Clare. Sexton deservedly man of the match, super performance.
Key difference in the end i suppose was that Clare scored their last two difficult point chances, while Rossies hit their last two wide. Rossies should be kicking themselves not to at least get extra time.
Roscommon and Croke Park. Up there with the most disappointing combos in history.
Great game, shocker at the end from the flaky Rossies. Fair play to Clare they played with courage.
Haven't won there since 1980?
Poor Roscommon.Just as well none of their fans turned up ;D
Jim's barnet 😱
Rossies looked like a team who thought they'd win it easy. They showed for about 20 mins in the second half and looked like they could kick on but never pulled far enough away.
Clare will be delighted they have some great players and a real work ethic they never stopped even when 5 down fair play to them they deserve their day out!
5 changes to the Kildare team !
Silly by Flynn to take free hit with his left.
Mayo getting cleaned out in the middle
Much improved defensive performance from Kildare. Both teams poor going forward so far.
Mayo have missed 7 scoring chances
4 wides
3 into goalkeepers hand
There should be a special rule for Mayo v Kildare games. Let them use the extra Aussie rules posts
Kerry v Mayo/Kildare, Armagh/Donegal, Clare
Dublin v Mayo (if they win), Armagh/Donegal, Clare, Cork/Limerick
Galway v Kildare (itw) , Armagh/Donegal, Clare, Cork/Limerick
Derry v Mayo/Kildare, Armagh (itw), Clare, Cork/Limerick
When you start Stephen Coen at #6 and Jason Doherty at #11
Says something about Mayo management
Mayo would want to wake up. A bit of intensity towards the end of the half but they look way off the pace at the minute.
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When you start Stephen Coen at #6 and Jason Doherty at #11
Says something about Mayo management
I'm never sure how Conor Loftus keeps reappearing for Mayo. He has never played better than a 3/10 in a championship match.
Bigger worry for Mayo today though is that the reliables like DOC, Durcan, COC and Ruane, are all a little off the pace.
HT Kildare 0-8 Mayo 0-5
Jack Carney carrying the Mayo forwards, the rest of them all need kicks up the hole.
Kildare lads putting in a mighty effort, which should be a given, but isn't for the lillies. Need a bit more nous up front. Wrong option picked as often as right option.
Very much in the melting point and Kildare have a great opportunity. But probable that Mayo will find a way to win and/or Kildare find a way to lose.
Good game again, despite the poor shooting.
We are hanging in there just about but Kildare look like they have goals in them so it looks bleak enough! Good fightback starting maybe?
Kildare kick out could cost them this game.
Kildare forwards showing what corner forward play used to be before the forward mark, they're playing on and it's refreshing to see instead of firing the arm ip
Quote from: themac_23 on June 11, 2022, 07:10:01 PM
Kildare forwards showing what corner forward play used to be before the forward mark, they're playing on and it's refreshing to see instead of firing the arm ip
Still can't write these hoors off though!
Great game. Well done to both teams for the excitement. Whoever can keep calm in the chaos will get their team over the line. More likely to be Mayo
End to end stuff. Great to watch.
I hope Declan Bonner is watching.
It looks like it has Taken James Horan almost 50 minutes to get Mayo's best 15 on the field
Kildare lads love kicking it wide to the left. Must be 4 in this half drifted past that post!
Feely having some game for Kildare. Also Flynn beating Mullen nearly every time. But they need scores
Kildare keeper an accident waiting to happen alright. McGuiness said at HT that he'd consider taking him off.
Kildare leaving the door open just don't think we have the energy or ideas to take advantage!
FFS Kildare. How can you kick a free that far wide
Boom Mullin. Keeper dived out of the way.
Another point cost by the Kildare keeper.
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2022, 07:29:38 PM
Another point cost by the Kildare keeper.
Where's the management?
He looks nervous as f**k. Tell him to belt it down the field. He has plenty of power.
Keeper!! 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
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Another point cost by the Kildare keeper.
Where's the management?
He looks nervous as f**k. Tell him to belt it down the field. He has plenty of power.
As McGuinness said, he was done after 25-30 mins, shouldn't have seen the second half.
Ruane forgot he was going to look really stupid on telly by holding his head there!
I feel for him.
Mayo destroyed the Donegal kick out in the last 15 minutes in our league game this season. They apply such pressure.
Jesus feel for the Kildare keeper
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Quote from: joemamas on June 11, 2022, 06:33:49 PM
When you start Stephen Coen at #6 and Jason Doherty at #11
Says something about Mayo management
I'm never sure how Conor Loftus keeps reappearing for Mayo. He has never played better than a 3/10 in a championship match.
Bigger worry for Mayo today though is that the reliables like DOC, Durcan, COC and Ruane, are all a little off the pace.
A few of those fairly woke up the last quarter.
Well done Mayo, never give up.
Will be favourites if they get the Ulster/Connacht side and will be the last team Dublin or Kerry want.
Big missed opportunity for Kildare.
Good game, Mayo know how to win these type of games. Poor Kildare goalkeeper, he had a nightmare towards the end .
Kamikaze Football from Kildare.
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Ruane forgot he was going to look really stupid on telly by holding his head there!
Stunning dive. Cillian O'Connor must have been really upset with Diarmuid producing a dive last week to rival any he's every managed so he produced a truly epic one there where he hurt himself whilst wrestling an opponent around the neck with both arms.
Credit to Mayo for sticking around again but they are going to get found out badly. They're nowhere near the level of previous years.
That team burning on fumes, fully expect a Dublin draw and a public execution to make up for last year's beating.
We were a shambles for most of the match but had a bit of quality under pressure to steal the game. We looked like the players threw the tactics out the window and went for the game we looked a different team. Hard luck Kildare really probably should have won the game on balance.
Kildare gonna Kildare!!
A bit like Ulster in the Rugby today they had that game won but made silly errors and never pressed home their advantage.
Mayo were very poor but this is what they do. Nobody will want to face them in the QF they could go out against Dublin or Kerry the next day and be brilliant. Likewise they could get Derry and be poor. Looking forward to the draw on Monday!
Kerry v Mayo, Armagh/Donegal, Clare
Dublin v Mayo, Armagh/Donegal, Clare, Cork/Limerick
Galway v Armagh/Donegal, Clare, Cork/Limerick
Derry v Mayo, Armagh (itw), Clare, Cork/Limerick
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2022, 07:37:46 PM
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Quote from: joemamas on June 11, 2022, 06:33:49 PM
When you start Stephen Coen at #6 and Jason Doherty at #11
Says something about Mayo management
I'm never sure how Conor Loftus keeps reappearing for Mayo. He has never played better than a 3/10 in a championship match.
Bigger worry for Mayo today though is that the reliables like DOC, Durcan, COC and Ruane, are all a little off the pace.
A few of those fairly woke up the last quarter.
Agreed but you have to really wonder how James Horan can completely fu*k up the selection of the Mayo team once again. As I posted earlier, it was 50 mins before we got our best 15 on the field.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
That team burning on fumes, fully expect a Dublin draw and a public execution to make up for last year's beating.
Ah, we had a good decade. These things can't go on forever. Dublin will give us a trimming alright. No shame in that. Theyll have all their games in their back garden and everything else set up to suit them. That's the way it's set up.
Poor crowd in Croker today. I suppose more and more are finding something else to do with their free time.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
That team burning on fumes, fully expect a Dublin draw and a public execution to make up for last year's beating.
Ah, we had a good decade. These things can't go on forever. Dublin will give us a trimming alright. No shame in that. Theyll have all their games in their back garden and everything else set up to suit them. That's the way it's set up.
Poor crowd in Croker today. I suppose more and more are finding something else to do with their free time.
I'd say the 30 euro entry fee and whatever the cost of fuel to drive to Dublin from 3 of the 4 counties had a lot to do with it.
Dublin will give all the rest a fair trimming, Kerry aside, Kerry could beat them but unlikely, if Kerry did win, outside chance another team could catch them,
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
That team burning on fumes, fully expect a Dublin draw and a public execution to make up for last year's beating.
Ah, we had a good decade. These things can't go on forever. Dublin will give us a trimming alright. No shame in that. Theyll have all their games in their back garden and everything else set up to suit them. That's the way it's set up.
Poor crowd in Croker today. I suppose more and more are finding something else to do with their free time.
I'd say the 30 euro entry fee and whatever the cost of fuel to drive to Dublin from 3 of the 4 counties had a lot to do with it.
A game at 6pm.
The price of accommodation in Dublin.
The cost of fuel.
The distance and time.
The cost of tickets
The lessening belief in contenders today.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 07:56:25 PM
Dublin will give all the rest a fair trimming, Kerry aside, Kerry could beat them but unlikely, if Kerry did win, outside chance another team could catch them,
Dublin will give all teams a trimming alright. No shame in that. They'll have all their games in their back garden and everything else set up to suit them. That's the way it's set up.
Split Dublin in two......
Christ some moaning
You still have to admire Dublin taking advantage of all their advantages. It's not as easy as it sounds! I suppose it's up to the rest to raise the bar and catch up with them. You'd think after a decade of dominance, the chasing bunch would have figured them out?
Two eventful games in a poorly attended Croke Park (games should never have been staged there)
Roscommon will be left wondering how they let a 5 point lead slip with 67 minutes played. Clare to their credit never dropped their heads and the late penalty was the lifeline they needed.
Second game Kildare looked like causing a huge upset 6 ahead at one stage? Much improved defensively from the Leinster but Mayo used all their experience grit and determination. Mayo fitness and conditioning it up there with the best which is why you can't rule them out against anyone.
It's done and dusted now but would galway nit have been ideal for today's games. Kildare apart it's very close to the other 3?
Kildare aren't that far ahead of Meath.
One round. Leinster fuball is still broken
Mayo had their chance last year to win the All Ireland and blew it. They won't get a chance like that again. I'll never forgive them for that performance last year.
Two very entertaining games today, but I think it's fair to say neither Clare or Mayo will be lifting Sam this year.
Derrys year
Gonna be a Dublin Mayo final again maybe. I expect Dublin to win it out once again unfortunately.
Quarter finals look like there may be drubbings on the cards with Clare and Cork/Limerick in there. Particularly if either get Dublin or Kerry.
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are not just mediocre, they are actually bad players.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 11, 2022, 09:35:25 PM
Cillian O'Connor and Aidan O'Shea are not just mediocre, they are actually bad players.
..........and your point is?
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 11, 2022, 09:38:57 PM
..........and your point is?
That Mayo supporters need to choose their heroes more carefully.
Roscommon 5 ots ahead, 68 mins, cruising, then they give a free on the right near the sideline; no worries, Clare unlikley to score. I looked away fro moment, then saw the free much closer in. Did the ref move it in? If so, when will players learn not to slobber at the ref (inside their own half.....)
That pony stopped the rot, gave Clare a lift and they started winning ball at midfield.
If Roscommon had contested the Clare kick-out in the first half they'd have won handsomely; their negativity ultimately got what it deserved.
Well done Clare; great spirit!!!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on June 11, 2022, 07:45:03 PM
We were a shambles for most of the match but had a bit of quality under pressure to steal the game. We looked like the players threw the tactics out the window and went for the game we looked a different team. Hard luck Kildare really probably should have won the game on balance.
Did the turnaround coincide with the substitution of Aidan?
Did he throw the usual strop when hauled off?
G u Mayo lads love to slag off your own players, brutal.
Just home devastated but unfortunately the flaws were evident against Sligo and Galway.
Management learned no lessons from the Galway game with no changes to a poor defence, 3 Dalys on one team and dropping Donie for Kikroy who seemed to be in the forwards rather than sweeping.
Cox and Enda should have been the ones dropped. Also I hope Heneghan had a knock or something as he deserved a start ahead of Kilroy.
Then despite playing at League pace and intensity for 40 minutes we stirred ourselves and outscored Clare 9-1 to lead byv5 and there only appeared one winner.
Then we conceded 1-3 in the closing stages....
After 4 years with 3 of them being awful in Championship it's time for Anthony C to step aside. It's time to pick a few defenders on the panel and work some system around them to at least keep our concession rate down.
We had one promising defender from last year's u20 panel on the Senior squad but he was let off instead of at least keeping him training and giving him some game time in League.
Well done to Clare who you know will always be honest, intense, well coached and have a gameplan and play to the Final whistle.
And to compound a bad day Kildare didn't bate the fkn Rhubarbs
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2022, 07:38:33 PM
Well done Mayo, never give up.
Will be favourites if they get the Ulster/Connacht side and will be the last team Dublin or Kerry want.
Big missed opportunity for Kildare.
I'd say you are more than happy going by your comments all evening. 🙄
Quote from: seafoid on June 11, 2022, 09:09:47 PM
Kildare aren't that far ahead of Meath.
One round. Leinster fuball is still broken
Meath. Ah here. Meath are shocking.
Commentator said today that Keegan is among the Mayo greats.
I would, quite controversially, hold the opinion that Lee Keegan is the greatest player I've ever seen.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Commentator said today that Keegan is among the Mayo greats.
I would, quite controversially, hold the opinion that Lee Keegan is the greatest player I've ever seen.
Definitely a modern great. Has everything in his locker, especially leadership.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Commentator said today that Keegan is among the Mayo greats.
I would, quite controversially, hold the opinion that Lee Keegan is the greatest player I've ever seen.
Warrior
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 11, 2022, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Commentator said today that Keegan is among the Mayo greats.
I would, quite controversially, hold the opinion that Lee Keegan is the greatest player I've ever seen.
Warrior
Did he ping 2 over today, one with each foot? Some baller tbf
Edit - still might happen but is in the conversation for greatest footballer never to win an AI yes?
I can't work out where he was for Tyrone's second goal in the final last year.
Keegan is not a great corner/full back and has been exposed there a few times. He's not a good enough shooter to play in the forwards, he never shirks from taking scores on and has got some nice ones, but he's also missed chances he should have scored in big games.
But he is one of the best half backs that's ever played.
Still standing after another terrible first 50 minutes apparently, only saw the last 5. Injuries clearing up a bit. Would I bet money on them the next day? Probably not, but it's still good to be in the chsmpionship.
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 11, 2022, 11:15:45 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 11, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
Commentator said today that Keegan is among the Mayo greats.
I would, quite controversially, hold the opinion that Lee Keegan is the greatest player I've ever seen.
Warrior
Did he ping 2 over today, one with each foot? Some baller tbf
Edit - still might happen but is in the conversation for greatest footballer never to win an AI yes?
not just in conversation hes probably head and shoulders above the rest. Absolute class act and really hope he gets one
Keegan is a good player but best ever? Come off it, he played well against a mediocre Kildare side. He's tenacious, a great athlete but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for best ever player.
After the terrible Dubs game I went into Croker yesterday thinking we would lose by 6 or more. Then as the game went on it was the hope that killed me.
Mayo were very poor and in the end Kildare couldn't cope when they kicked on. On one hand, we finally blocked up the defence, but on the other why the hell did we leave ourselves so open against the Dubs.
It also has me scratching my head as to why last year's captain was frozen out and why Fergal Conway, who is a workhorse never got a run of games.
Our keeper was thrown in and that added to the whole chaos too. Fair enough he was rattled but some of the kickouts were not difficult and even simple short ones he left the defenders under so much pressure.
In terms of Mayo the forwards were hiding for so long. I also was delighted to see AOS out there for so long as Feely does not have legs. I was much more worried when Jordan Flynn came on.
To end on a positive note, I got the tail end of the Clare win and it was good for the soul. Really happy for Colm Collins and the drama at the end was amazing.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2022, 09:53:29 AM
Keegan is a good player but best ever? Come off it, he played well against a mediocre Kildare side. He's tenacious, a great athlete but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for best ever player.
While I'm OTT about this abilities, this is really quite insulting.
He's played well or better against pretty much every team for a decade.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 05:31:37 PM
Haven't won there since 1980?
Yep. Can't blame Prenty nor 'Rhubarbs' for that. Maybe if they concentrated on their own house instead of sneering at ours they might end this famine.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2022, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 11, 2022, 05:31:37 PM
Haven't won there since 1980?
Yep. Can't blame Prenty nor 'Rhubarbs' for that. Maybe if they concentrated on their own house instead of sneering at ours they might end this famine.
Sure they have won Hurling matches there in the past few years, maybe they should just concentrate on that from now on. :)
Won a few nfl Div 2 league finals. Roscommon has a low population but they got a fairly decent forward line probably their best crop of players since their 1991 team which I thought was very good.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 11:23:18 AM
Won a few nfl Div 2 league finals. Roscommon has a low population but they git a fairly decent forward line probably their best crop if players since their 1991 team which I thought was very good.
We're flaky, cant handle pressure at all, a golden chance to win our first championship game since 1980 at CP spurned. We are just not worth talking about, a Tipperary man I met at a wedding told me that years ago, he wasn't wrong, we have done nothing on the national stage in recent times, even Cavan & Tipperary have.
Would be surprised if Cunningham stays on, dont think he was bad at all, as most supporters seem to suggest. Still we have no defenders, baffling how McCormack & pacy Hughes got dropped for the Dalys. Last years promising U20 full back dropped from panel, mind blowing. Doyle not given more game time, forwards who under perform still starting, where was Heneghan yday.
Heneghan failed a late fitness test.
He only started Diarmuid because of that.
Yesterday was the ideal game to start Hughes (pace) and McCormack (a defender) in place of 2 Dalys.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2022, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2022, 09:53:29 AM
Keegan is a good player but best ever? Come off it, he played well against a mediocre Kildare side. He's tenacious, a great athlete but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for best ever player.
While I'm OTT about this abilities, this is really quite insulting.
He's played well or better against pretty much every team for a decade.
Keegan is right up there. The ultimate criterium for a player is his effectiveness in producing for his team. He has played at the very top for over a decade and never found wanting. His best quality his bravery on getting in to the ball when his team needs him most , and making things happen, in a team with obvious limitations. He mAkes them punch above their weight consistently.I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he is one of the all time greats
Quote from: 6th sam on June 12, 2022, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2022, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2022, 09:53:29 AM
Keegan is a good player but best ever? Come off it, he played well against a mediocre Kildare side. He's tenacious, a great athlete but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for best ever player.
While I'm OTT about this abilities, this is really quite insulting.
He's played well or better against pretty much every team for a decade.
Keegan is right up there. The ultimate criterium for a player is his effectiveness in producing for his team. He has played at the very top for over a decade and never found wanting. His best quality his bravery on getting in to the ball when his team needs him most , and making things happen, in a team with obvious limitations. He mAkes them punch above their weight consistently.I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he is one of the all time greats
I wouldn't dispute much of that, maybe it's just my reluctance to put defenders into the frame as the best ever footballer. He has certainly benefited from the modern style of football where it is much easier for defenders to attack from deep from the half back position. It's probably the easiest position on the pitch to play if you are athletically strong and have a decent grasp of the basic skills.
If I was picking my all time top team he be on it at half bck, but there was many a better player in forward position like Frank McGuigan won never won an All-Ireland
Quote from: Rossfan on June 12, 2022, 12:08:20 PM
Heneghan failed a late fitness test.
He only started Diarmuid because of that.
Yesterday was the ideal game to start Hughes (pace) and McCormack (a defender) in place of 2 Dalys.
Did Enda pass the same test?
Soft enough black card has swung this game in favour of Cork. From a level game Cork move into a 6 point lead.
Cork 2-18 Limerick 1-16. The Cork scored penalty prevented a nervy finish.
Armagh if they avoid Dublin will be hard to beat. I think they would even cause Kerry loads of problems.
All the provincial losing finalists beaten in the qualifiers. I had a strong feeling that might happen and it's why I think the qualifiers need a tweak. The four first round qualifier winners should be drawn against each other to produce 2 quarter finalists. The 4 provincial final losers should be drawn against each other to also produce 2 quarter finalists. Those results over the weekend show the difference in coming into a game off the back of a win compared to a defeat.
For years losing finalists do not do well with a very quick turn around
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:29:27 PM
For years losing finalists do not do well with a very quick turn around
That's why they should have been drawn against each other. It would've been fairer as they'd all have been coming off a defeat. The 4 round 1 qualifier winners could've been drawn against each other, they'd all have been coming off a win.
So who avoids who, Only Galway have played Mayo, Kerry v Cork previous
Prediction:
Dublin v Cork
Galway v Clare
Kerry v Armagh
Derry v Mayo
Ideally Kerry and Dublin get Armagh or Mayo.
Kerry/Dublin Vs Cork or Clare would be no contest
The last time all provincial runners up lost their qualifier game was 2010. All provincial champions got knocked out the following round......
Well can't see Dublin or Kerry get knocked out nxt round. Derry or Galway possible.
God, dunno who I'd 'want' in that draw, Kerry & Dublin best avoided, Derry would be a dogfight, Galway by process of elimination I suppose, but very much a 50/50 game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:40:48 PM
So who avoids who, Only Galway have played Mayo, Kerry v Cork previous
If that was one of the criteria, then how were Armagh able to be drawn against Donegal, just like Mayo played and lost to Galway, but according to Joanne Cantwell Mayo cannot meet Galway again.
it really feels like they are making it up as they go along, or maybe Joanne Cantwell was incorrect with her information.
Think final winners couldn't met a team they played before if possible, or maybe that only applied to teams they had met in a final.
Mayo and Cork were beat in provincial semi
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 06:03:12 PM
Mayo and Cork were beat in provincial semi
Got it, Thanks
Quote from: joemamas on June 12, 2022, 05:59:29 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 05:40:48 PM
So who avoids who, Only Galway have played Mayo, Kerry v Cork previous
If that was one of the criteria, then how were Armagh able to be drawn against Donegal, just like Mayo played and lost to Galway, but according to Joanne Cantwell Mayo cannot meet Galway again.
it really feels like they are making it up as they go along, or maybe Joanne Cantwell was incorrect with her information.
Rules are that Qualifiers are an open draw but they will "try to avoid teams playing each other for a 2nd time" in the AIQF.
Definitely not made up as they go along!
Kerry v Mayo, Armagh, Clare
Dublin v Mayo, Armagh, Clare, Cork
Galway v Armagh, Clare, Cork
Derry v Mayo, Armagh, Clare, Cork
If Mayo and Galway are the last balls left in the drum then we play against each other (I think).
Wonder will Armagh and Cork get the full two weeks rest and then play on the Sunday. Suppose depends on how the draw goes. Wondering as I can only attend on the Sunday.
I think it's only Provincial finalists that can't play the team that beat them in that final so Galway v Mayo would be ok. The QF weekend with this format is now the biggest football weekend of the year as it was back in the 00's. If the GAA could hand pick the draw to attract the biggest audiences and best games I reckon they'd like:
Galway v Armagh
Derry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Clare
They would almost fill Croke Park Saturday and Sunday with those fixtures.
Derry v Armagh is almost a cert.
Long as it on sat, got Kings of Leon Sunday,
I don't think Clare v Dublin have much appeal to it
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 12, 2022, 07:02:32 PM
Derry v Armagh is almost a cert.
Almost?
If I was a betting man I'd lump the house, wife AND the weans on it !!
Three Munster teams in the quarter finals is some going.
Well if Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone had a lucky draw they may been there too.
Derry v Armagh is a banker
Quote from: Gael80 on June 12, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
I think it's only Provincial finalists that can't play the team that beat them in that final so Galway v Mayo would be ok. The QF weekend with this format is now the biggest football weekend of the year as it was back in the 00's. If the GAA could hand pick the draw to attract the biggest audiences and best games I reckon they'd like:
Galway v Armagh
Derry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Clare
They would almost fill Croke Park Saturday and Sunday with those fixtures.
No, as someone else said, Kerry v cork and Galway v mayo will be redrawn.
Means that Derry have less chance of drawing Armagh than many seem to think! Kerry have higher chance of getting Armagh, mayo or Clare, Galway likewise have higher chance of getting Armagh, cork or Clare and inversely Derry/Dublin have higher chance of getting cork or mayo.
1st 2 games out played on the Sat and 2nd 2 the Sunday? Or is that all decided after by the CCCCCC brigade?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2022, 12:59:27 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 12, 2022, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 12, 2022, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 12, 2022, 09:53:29 AM
Keegan is a good player but best ever? Come off it, he played well against a mediocre Kildare side. He's tenacious, a great athlete but he shouldn't even be in the conversation for best ever player.
While I'm OTT about this abilities, this is really quite insulting.
He's played well or better against pretty much every team for a decade.
Keegan is right up there. The ultimate criterium for a player is his effectiveness in producing for his team. He has played at the very top for over a decade and never found wanting. His best quality his bravery on getting in to the ball when his team needs him most , and making things happen, in a team with obvious limitations. He mAkes them punch above their weight consistently.I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he is one of the all time greats
I wouldn't dispute much of that, maybe it's just my reluctance to put defenders into the frame as the best ever footballer. He has certainly benefited from the modern style of football where it is much easier for defenders to attack from deep from the half back position. It's probably the easiest position on the pitch to play if you are athletically strong and have a decent grasp of the basic skills.
He can do that but he's also went toe to toe with some of the best forwards about in man marking jobs, look at his battles with Connolly over the years.
Quote from: onefineday on June 12, 2022, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on June 12, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
I think it's only Provincial finalists that can't play the team that beat them in that final so Galway v Mayo would be ok. The QF weekend with this format is now the biggest football weekend of the year as it was back in the 00's. If the GAA could hand pick the draw to attract the biggest audiences and best games I reckon they'd like:
Galway v Armagh
Derry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Clare
They would almost fill Croke Park Saturday and Sunday with those fixtures.
No, as someone else said, Kerry v cork and Galway v mayo will be redrawn.
Means that Derry have less chance of drawing Armagh than many seem to think! Kerry have higher chance of getting Armagh, mayo or Clare, Galway likewise have higher chance of getting Armagh, cork or Clare and inversely Derry/Dublin have higher chance of getting cork or mayo.
Ahh I see! More reasons for the GAA to be happy if the draw is the one I mentioned, they'd probably prefer that draw in an ideal world. However like us all they'll have to go with what the luck of the draw throws up 😀
Quote from: Gael80 on June 12, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
I think it's only Provincial finalists that can't play the team that beat them in that final so Galway v Mayo would be ok. The QF weekend with this format is now the biggest football weekend of the year as it was back in the 00's. If the GAA could hand pick the draw to attract the biggest audiences and best games I reckon they'd like:
Galway v Armagh
Derry v Mayo
Dublin v Cork
Kerry v Clare
They would almost fill Croke Park Saturday and Sunday with those fixtures.
I wouldn't expect Cork or Clare to have much support at all, they didn't this weekend. Even less so if against Dublin/Kerry as they'll be hockeyed.
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2022, 08:11:55 PM
1st 2 games out played on the Sat and 2nd 2 the Sunday? Or is that all decided after by the CCCCCC brigade?
Yes that's the plan. All Ireland Minor semi finals are on that weekend also so perhaps two triple headers in Croke Park.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2022, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2022, 08:11:55 PM
1st 2 games out played on the Sat and 2nd 2 the Sunday? Or is that all decided after by the CCCCCC brigade?
Yes that's the plan. All Ireland Minor semi finals are on that weekend also so perhaps two triple headers in Croke Park.
You'd imagine so. Double-header for Mayo for sure this time?
I thought it was Dublin and Galway games on the Saturday. The other two on the Sunday.
Where did you hear that?
All academic to me now sadly :-\
Quote from: gallsman on June 11, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Ruane forgot he was going to look really stupid on telly by holding his head there!
Stunning dive. Cillian O'Connor must have been really upset with Diarmuid producing a dive last week to rival any he's every managed so he produced a truly epic one there where he hurt himself whilst wrestling an opponent around the neck with both arms.
Credit to Mayo for sticking around again but they are going to get found out badly. They're nowhere near the level of previous years.
You would think referees would be wise to O'Connor brothers by now.
Quote from: Gael85 on June 12, 2022, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 11, 2022, 07:41:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 11, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Ruane forgot he was going to look really stupid on telly by holding his head there!
Stunning dive. Cillian O'Connor must have been really upset with Diarmuid producing a dive last week to rival any he's every managed so he produced a truly epic one there where he hurt himself whilst wrestling an opponent around the neck with both arms.
Credit to Mayo for sticking around again but they are going to get found out badly. They're nowhere near the level of previous years.
You would think referees would be wise to O'Connor brothers by now.
Mayo have beaten 2x D1 sides to get here, Durcan and Mullin looked like needed the games, and they should improve by a handful of points if O'Donaghue and Plunkett's injuries clear up.
I don't see them winning an AI but they're unlikely to be "found out" by much.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 12, 2022, 07:23:52 PM
Well if Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone had a lucky draw they may been there too.
All the teams above still miles better than Cork and Clare.
Not sure about the minor games being in Croker also. The Gaa for some reason seem to have gotten rid of minor games as curtain raisers to senior games completely.
But maybe they will revisit that for the weekend that's in it in two weeks time.
All 4 of the counties involved in the minor semi finals have their senior counterparts playing that weekend also.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2022, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2022, 08:11:55 PM
1st 2 games out played on the Sat and 2nd 2 the Sunday? Or is that all decided after by the CCCCCC brigade?
Yes that's the plan. All Ireland Minor semi finals are on that weekend also so perhaps two triple headers in Croke Park.
Good man, that would be a nice bonus if the minors were a curtain raiser to a senior double header
Quote from: galwayman on June 12, 2022, 09:47:48 PM
Not sure about the minor games being in Croker also. The Gaa for some reason seem to have gotten rid of minor games as curtain raisers to senior games completely.
But maybe they will revisit that for the weekend that's in it in two weeks time.
All 4 of the counties involved in the minor semi finals have their senior counterparts playing that weekend also.
Saw something on Twitter from Mal McMullan that they are avoiding big crowds for minors because probably because they are that year younger!
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2022, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 12, 2022, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 12, 2022, 08:11:55 PM
1st 2 games out played on the Sat and 2nd 2 the Sunday? Or is that all decided after by the CCCCCC brigade?
Yes that's the plan. All Ireland Minor semi finals are on that weekend also so perhaps two triple headers in Croke Park.
Good man, that would be a nice bonus if the minors were a curtain raiser to a senior double header
Only if Derry are the first of the two quarters. Otherwise folk will skip the minors and stay in the pub.
Anyhow
Derry v Mayo
Galway v Clare
Kerry v Armagh
Dublin v Cork
Saturday games should be the two games where the winners will play in the first semi.
Pat Spillane says Cork have momentum lol. As bad as Tyrone have been if Cork had have drawn us in the first qualifier we still would have beaten them by 10+
It's been a very favourable draw for the Munster teams this year.
Quote from: clarshack on June 12, 2022, 10:51:10 PM
Pat Spillane says Cork have momentum lol. As bad as Tyrone have been if Cork had have drawn us in the first qualifier we still would have beaten them by 10+
It's been a very favourable draw for the Munster teams this year.
And that Limerick made a great recovery from that heavy defeat to Kerry to lose by only 5 points. Limerick and Cork are around the same level two Div 2 teams that will do well to avoid relegation next year and in the last two years lost Munster finals to Kerry by plus 20 points.
Cork lol. They'll be dispatched with relative ease come the quarters
So if my maths are correct.
The likelihood of each match up is as follows.
Armagh v Kerry 33.3
Armagh v Galway 33.3
Armagh v Derry 16.7
Armagh v Dublin 16.7
Clare v Kerry 33.3
Clare v Galway 33.3
Clare v Derry 16.7
Clare v Dublin 16.7
Cork v Kerry 0
Cork v Galway 33.3
Cork v Derry 33.3
Cork v Dublin 33.3
Mayo v Kerry 33.3
Mayo v Galway 0
Mayo v Derry 33.3
Mayo v Dublin 33.3
So my prediction is
Armagh v Galway
Mayo v Derry
Cork v Dublin
Clare v Kerry
Quote from: David McKeown on June 13, 2022, 12:04:20 AM
So if my maths are correct.
The likelihood of each match up is as follows.
Armagh v Kerry 33.3
Armagh v Galway 33.3
Armagh v Derry 16.7
Armagh v Dublin 16.7
Clare v Kerry 33.3
Clare v Galway 33.3
Clare v Derry 16.7
Clare v Dublin 16.7
Cork v Kerry 0
Cork v Galway 33.3
Cork v Derry 33.3
Cork v Dublin 33.3
Mayo v Kerry 33.3
Mayo v Galway 0
Mayo v Derry 33.3
Mayo v Dublin 33.3
So my prediction is
Armagh v Galway
Mayo v Derry
Cork v Dublin
Clare v Kerry
That's my understanding, I'm happy to agree to your numbers, seem in the right ballpark!
But I'll go with cork v Derry and mayo v Dublin.
How will they conduct the draw, knowing that Kerry and Galway have restrictions on playing Cork and Mayo respectively?
Will it be like the World Cup groups where they slide a team to the next pairing?
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 13, 2022, 01:38:15 AM
How will they conduct the draw, knowing that Kerry and Galway have restrictions on playing Cork and Mayo respectively?
Will it be like the World Cup groups where they slide a team to the next pairing?
Looks like it
QuoteThe draw is subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own province, and to the avoidance of any other repeat pairings. Possible repeat pairings are Galway v Mayo and Kerry v Cork. If a repeat pairing is drawn, the Round 2 team will be moved to the next line of the draw and another Round 2 team will be drawn to play the relevant Provincial winner.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/)
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on June 13, 2022, 06:42:36 AM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on June 13, 2022, 01:38:15 AM
How will they conduct the draw, knowing that Kerry and Galway have restrictions on playing Cork and Mayo respectively?
Will it be like the World Cup groups where they slide a team to the next pairing?
Looks like it
QuoteThe draw is subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own province, and to the avoidance of any other repeat pairings. Possible repeat pairings are Galway v Mayo and Kerry v Cork. If a repeat pairing is drawn, the Round 2 team will be moved to the next line of the draw and another Round 2 team will be drawn to play the relevant Provincial winner.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/)
So if they draw them in the order shown on the website (Galway v _, Derry v _, Dublin then Kerry), Mayo have a 50% chance of being drawn against Derry.
If they did it that way and Cork were the last team out, would they just have to start again?
I'd like to see
Galway vs Armagh
Mayo vs Kerry
Cork vs Dublin
Derry vs Clare.
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How will they conduct the draw, knowing that Kerry and Galway have restrictions on playing Cork and Mayo respectively?
Will it be like the World Cup groups where they slide a team to the next pairing?
Looks like it
QuoteThe draw is subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own province, and to the avoidance of any other repeat pairings. Possible repeat pairings are Galway v Mayo and Kerry v Cork. If a repeat pairing is drawn, the Round 2 team will be moved to the next line of the draw and another Round 2 team will be drawn to play the relevant Provincial winner.
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/ (https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/all-ireland-sfc-quarter-final-draw-details/)
So if they draw them in the order shown on the website (Galway v _, Derry v _, Dublin then Kerry), Mayo have a 50% chance of being drawn against Derry.
If they did it that way and Cork were the last team out, would they just have to start again?
The counties with restrictions should be the first two...then it gets done in one go.
Quote from: David McKeown on June 13, 2022, 12:04:20 AM
So if my maths are correct.
The likelihood of each match up is as follows.
Armagh v Kerry 33.3
Armagh v Galway 33.3
Armagh v Derry 16.7
Armagh v Dublin 16.7
Clare v Kerry 33.3
Clare v Galway 33.3
Clare v Derry 16.7
Clare v Dublin 16.7
Cork v Kerry 0
Cork v Galway 33.3
Cork v Derry 33.3
Cork v Dublin 33.3
Mayo v Kerry 33.3
Mayo v Galway 0
Mayo v Derry 33.3
Mayo v Dublin 33.3
So my prediction is
Armagh v Galway
Mayo v Derry
Cork v Dublin
Clare v Kerry
It's circa 40% for Mayo v Kerry and Galway v Cork over the other options as Cork can't meet Kerry and Mayo can't meet Galway. Otherwise correct. It basically gives Kerry an extra chance of drawing out Mayo through the drop down method described in the draw details, although a few things have to happen to ensure that
armagh galway
kerry mayo
cork dublin
derry clare
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I'm hearing through the grapevine that HQ want the quarter-final draw to be the same outline as the semi-final draw, that is, Ulster v Connacht and Leinster v Munster, with winners of one province playing the beaten finalist in the other (same as the minor draw).
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare, unless Monaghan or Tyrone beat Roscommon
Galway v Donegal or Armagh, unless Mayo beat Donegal
Dublin v Limerick or Cork , unless Meath beat Limerick
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo , unless Cork beat Kildare.
What happens if one or more of the "unless" things happens is anyone's guess at this stage - will see how it looks after this weekends games and the draw, I suppose.
Not sure if all that makes sense, but that's what I heard and want to get it out there before any conspiracy theories start.
Edit: I think I have the "unless" parts correct on avoiding repeat fixtures...remember beaten provincial finalist can't meet each other, so Donegal can't meet Roscommon so Donegal v Derry cannot recur, same way Galway and Roscommon cannot recur. Edit 2: Likewise, Kildare can't meet Limerick.
Or am I getting my explanation all wrong?
Edit 3 to reflect June 4 results: Monaghan and Meath out.
Edit 4: Tyrone out
Edit 5: Getting clearer now...
Meaning the draw is:
Derry v Roscommon or Clare
Galway v Donegal or Armagh
Dublin v Limerick or Cork
Kerry v Kildare or Mayo
Although latest story is they forgot to put this procedure in the overall plan for 2022, so it's looking like an open draw with no repeat pairings if possible.
Edit 13June before official draw.
Well Well Well....
Juice / mod, u got sthing to tell us, mystic Meg.
Worst draw for us. Would have taken Clare or Cork to be honest.
Certainly capable of winning it at the same time but will have to bring our A game to have a chance.
Quote from: galwayman on June 13, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
Worst draw for us. Would have taken Clare or Cork to be honest.
Certainly capable of winning it at the same time but will have to bring our A game to have a chance.
it's certainly a 50/50 game
Quote from: galwayman on June 13, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
Worst draw for us. Would have taken Clare or Cork to be honest.
Certainly capable of winning it at the same time but will have to bring our A game to have a chance.
Stop, absolute f**king dose of a draw when Clare or Cork were the other options.
Galway will have to play at a higher level than anything we've seen this year to date, Armagh have looked excellent the last two weekends.
Go hard or go home now.
Great draw for Derry. What a opportunity.
Conspiracy theorists now also silenced thankfully
Paddy Power
Galway 1/1 v Armagh 1/1 & 15/2 draw
Kerry 3/10 v Mayo 10/3 & 9/1 draw
Dublin 1/50 v Cork 16/1 & 33/1 draw
Derry 1/8 v Clare 11/2 & 14/1 draw
Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Delighted with that draw. Another team Armagh could beat but won't be favourites against and one that like Donegal have had the upper hand in recent meetings. Hopefully a second run out in Croke Park this year as well.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 13, 2022, 08:57:53 AM
Paddy Power
Galway 1/1 v Armagh 1/1 & 15/2 draw
Kerry 3/10 v Mayo 10/3 & 9/1 draw
Dublin 1/50 v Cork 16/1 & 33/1 draw
Derry 1/8 v Clare 11/2 & 14/1 draw
3 Munster teams in the quarters.. When did that happen last?
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 08:59:22 AM
Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Why would you tempt fate like that. Go outside and turn around and spit 3 times immediately
One of Galway, Derry, Armagh, Clare into the All Ireland final. And all 4 will think they can do it!
Wonder what way they'll split the quarter finals. Dublin usually on the Saturday and I'd say it'll be same this time. The two big games are Kerry Mayo and Galway Armagh and they should have top billing each day but you'd imagine Dublin will be the second match (which probably suits most travelling teams on a Saturday evening anyway).
I think best chance of maximising attendance is to put Kerry Mayo on before Dublin Cork on the Saturday. The ulster teams would then bring big enough support to get a decent crowd on the Sunday.
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Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Why would you tempt fate like that. Go outside and turn around and spit 3 times immediately
Won't be long now anyway until we've Tyrone ones telling us our season will be a failure unless we reach an AIF.
Surely Cork v Dublin will be in neutral Thurles or Limerick.... ::)
Barring dublin cork very interesting set of fixtures. I don't think Derry will have it all their own way against Clare but still should win. Galway Armagh tie of round. Realistically Kerry Mayo should go Kerry's way but Galway Armagh could go either way. It will be interesting to see if Mayo still have a kick. Always thought Mayo could beat anyone - even the great Dublin teams - before the final just not in the final.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 13, 2022, 09:04:05 AM
Wonder what way they'll split the quarter finals. Dublin usually on the Saturday and I'd say it'll be same this time. The two big games are Kerry Mayo and Galway Armagh and they should have top billing each day but you'd imagine Dublin will be the second match (which probably suits most travelling teams on a Saturday evening anyway).
I think best chance of maximising attendance is to put Kerry Mayo on before Dublin Cork on the Saturday. The ulster teams would then bring big enough support to get a decent crowd on the Sunday.
I'm confused by this too. According to the fixture list I was shown yesterday on the GAA website it was to be the Dublin and Galway games on the Saturday. That was obviously before the draw was made.
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Paddy Power
Galway 1/1 v Armagh 1/1 & 15/2 draw
Kerry 3/10 v Mayo 10/3 & 9/1 draw
Dublin 1/50 v Cork 16/1 & 33/1 draw
Derry 1/8 v Clare 11/2 & 14/1 draw
3 Munster teams in the quarters.. When did that happen last?
2016 Clare, Kerry, Tipperary
2011 Cork, Kerry, Limerick
No chance Armagh are getting beat by Galway.
Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
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Paddy Power
Galway 1/1 v Armagh 1/1 & 15/2 draw
Kerry 3/10 v Mayo 10/3 & 9/1 draw
Dublin 1/50 v Cork 16/1 & 33/1 draw
Derry 1/8 v Clare 11/2 & 14/1 draw
3 Munster teams in the quarters.. When did that happen last?
2016 Clare, Kerry, Tipperary
2011 Cork, Kerry, Limerick
And there's me thinking Munster teams were crap bar Kerry
Just out of interest how confident would derry be of beating galway considering the drubbing they handed out on the last day of the league. Were derry missing players that day?
Armagh talking about a all Ireland final already, think Derry just focus on Clare game.
Quote from: galwayman on June 13, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
Worst draw for us. Would have taken Clare or Cork to be honest.
Certainly capable of winning it at the same time but will have to bring our A game to have a chance.
Could be the game of the quarters.
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Wonder what way they'll split the quarter finals. Dublin usually on the Saturday and I'd say it'll be same this time. The two big games are Kerry Mayo and Galway Armagh and they should have top billing each day but you'd imagine Dublin will be the second match (which probably suits most travelling teams on a Saturday evening anyway).
I think best chance of maximising attendance is to put Kerry Mayo on before Dublin Cork on the Saturday. The ulster teams would then bring big enough support to get a decent crowd on the Sunday.
I'm confused by this too. According to the fixture list I was shown yesterday on the GAA website it was to be the Dublin and Galway games on the Saturday. That was obviously before the draw was made.
They said fixtures decided to day. When you look at the minor fixtures that weekend it would def make sense to have two triple headers.
On the Saturday
Kerry Mayo Minors
Kerry Mayo Seniors
Dublin Cork Seniors
On the Sunday
Derry Galway Minors
Derry Clare Seniors
Armagh Galway Seniors
Any word of when they will announce the fixtures??
Happy enough with Clare it's a game we should be winning but they'll give us our fill and they'll be well up for this. Hope the lads can keep the feet on the ground and do a professional job like they did down there in the league.
I don't want Derry and Armagh travel same direction on the same day if a Saturday, nothing but traffic issues.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 13, 2022, 09:30:27 AM
Just out of interest how confident would derry be of beating galway considering the drubbing they handed out on the last day of the league. Were derry missing players that day?
Think it would be a toss up with Galway slight favourites. Listening to McKaigue after the Tyrone game he said that while they had a decent league their preparations were hampered but that the break between the league and Cship gave the team a lot of time together and they've come on leaps and bounds since then.
Galway have improved as well and I think they would beat us but I couldn't see another drubbing like the last game. We were missing 4 that day from the current Championship team.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 13, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
I think a lot will depend on the mindset of Derry. Very easy to loose focus after ending the drought for provincial honours. On paper I'd expect Derry to beat Clare but it will be interesting to see how they handle the longish lay off, the favourites tag and the refocusing after Ulster.
Quote from: galwayman on June 13, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
Worst draw for us. Would have taken Clare or Cork to be honest.
Certainly capable of winning it at the same time but will have to bring our A game to have a chance.
Good draw for us- to be honest wouldn't have minded Dublin but sick looking at Ulster teams and glad to be playing someone different. We're possibly
slight favourites after knocking out Tyrone and Donegal but Galway a very very good side and Shane Walsh one of the best players in the country.
Going to be a cracking game with plenty of forwards on both sides capable of shooting the lights out in Croker. Do Galway have a man to stop Rian O'Neill? Do we have someone to stop Walsh?
Really looking forward to it, honestly the teams on our side of the draw will never have a better chance of reaching a final, Donegal and Tyrone out and the traditional big 3 on the other side of the draw.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 09:31:07 AM
Armagh talking about a all Ireland final already, think Derry just focus on Clare game.
No they aren't. But its wide open all 4 teams well capable of getting to a final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 09:31:07 AM
Armagh talking about a all Ireland final already, think Derry just focus on Clare game.
its a 50/50 game with both sides confident of winning it.
There should be nothing easy at Q/Final stage ... although Dublin and Derry should be happy with their respective draws. Out of the 4 games, and as Mayo don't appear to be anything like they used to be, it looks like Galway v Armagh is the only real 50/50 match-up.
I assume the semi-final pairings will be kept together on the same day i.e. Armagh/Galway and Derry/Clare one day, Dublin/Cork and Kerry/Mayo on the other.
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Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Why would you tempt fate like that. Go outside and turn around and spit 3 times immediately
Just saying it as it is and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. All 3 sides (Armagh, Derry & Galway) will see a massive opportunity to get to the final and I don't see much difference between any of them.
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Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Why would you tempt fate like that. Go outside and turn around and spit 3 times immediately
Just saying it as it is and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. All 3 sides (Armagh, Derry & Galway) will see a massive opportunity to get to the final and I don't see much difference between any of them.
Clare probably think they have a chance also
If you'd have told me a few months ago that Armagh and likely Derry are in the way of Galway getting to a final I'd have been delighted and the same goes for Armagh. Bookies have them both even money although can see most neutrals will tip Armagh after the last 2 weeks.
Either way a great opportunity for Armagh, Derry or Galway to reach a final.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 13, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
Good post! Armagh and Galway is 50 50 and whilst Clare will likely bring a big performance you'd have to tip Derry. As for the semi finals how Derry cope on a big pitch against an all out attacking system would be interesting. They really struggled against Galway in the league when Galway pushed up.
The QF's have three very competitive games which will make for a good weekend of football.
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Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
Good post! Armagh and Galway is 50 50 and whilst Clare will likely bring a big performance you'd have to tip Derry. As for the semi finals how Derry cope on a big pitch against an all out attacking system would be interesting. They really struggled against Galway in the league when Galway pushed up.
The QF's have three very competitive games which will make for a good weekend of football.
Derry v Clare wont be competitive - Clare will be lucky to score 10 pts
Kerry V Mayo might be competitive for 50mins
The only guaranteed competitive game will be Galway v Armagh
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Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
Good post! Armagh and Galway is 50 50 and whilst Clare will likely bring a big performance you'd have to tip Derry. As for the semi finals how Derry cope on a big pitch against an all out attacking system would be interesting. They really struggled against Galway in the league when Galway pushed up.
The QF's have three very competitive games which will make for a good weekend of football.
Derry v Clare wont be competitive - Clare will be lucky to score 10 pts
Kerry V Mayo might be competitive for 50mins
The only guaranteed competitive game will be Galway v Armagh
All opinions but remember Clare have been together a long time, have a settled system and share Division 2 with Derry. Derry are favourites and should win but I doubt it'll be all one way.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 13, 2022, 10:09:29 AM
If you'd have told me a few months ago that Armagh and likely Derry are in the way of Galway getting to a final I'd have been delighted and the same goes for Armagh. Bookies have them both even money although can see most neutrals will tip Armagh after the last 2 weeks.
Either way a great opportunity for Armagh, Derry or Galway to reach a final.
That doesn't stop it being an utter disaster though that once you've done the hard spadework and won Connacht (in full knowledge that you'll be rewarded with the easier side of the draw), that you end up with the nuclear option from 3, Cork, Clare or Armagh. It'll give fair momentum if they get over it but it's hard not to be cursing our luck just a tad this morning
It's an interesting tie. That Clare manager deserves a lot of credit.
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Best draw possible for Armagh, provides a realistic path of getting to AI final.
Why would you tempt fate like that. Go outside and turn around and spit 3 times immediately
Just saying it as it is and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. All 3 sides (Armagh, Derry & Galway) will see a massive opportunity to get to the final and I don't see much difference between any of them.
Clare probably think they have a chance also
Clare will be happy with the draw too I'd expect.
Derry beat them in the league but it wasn't an easy game..
Derry slight favourite for it I'd have thought.
118k in the whole of Clare and going far in both codes.
Ithcy take note
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 13, 2022, 10:28:37 AM
118k in the whole of Clare and going far in both codes.
Ithcy take note
Fair play to Clare.
Outstanding from Clare
Mayo, God help us. :(
Armagh avoided Kerry, Dublin that was the main hope in the draw. Real live opportunity to reach the All-Ireland final and no doubt Derry and Galway will be thinking the same. The winner should come from the other side of the draw.
Dublin v Cork with be turkey shoot. Derry should beat Clare as comfortable as the league encounter. I doubt Kerry or Mayo wanted that draw.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 13, 2022, 11:06:13 AM
Armagh avoided Kerry, Dublin that was the main hope in the draw. Real live opportunity to reach the All-Ireland final and no doubt Derry and Galway will be thinking the same. The winner should come from the other side of the draw.
Dublin v Cork with be turkey shoot. Derry should beat Clare as comfortable as the league encounter. I doubt Kerry or Mayo wanted that draw.
derry, galway and Armagh all looking at an ireland final appearance here.
Derry might be the best equipped to win through but will be interesting to see how they cope with the expanses of Croke Park but they are probably the most talented in this side of teh draw.
as an armagh man it was the game i wanted simply because it will be a shoot-out and both teams will go for it(Ii also can`t ever forget the 2001qualifier when we pulled it back to a draw only to lose with the last kick of the game)
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
What will be interesting is finding out whether or not Ulster is on the slide.
Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan were on a downward spiral this year, Donegal probably the latest to join the slide this year. They seemed on their last legs against Derry.
We don't really know how good Armagh and Derry are. Derry won't find out until the semis. Armagh will find out in the quarter.
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
What will be interesting is finding out whether or not Ulster is on the slide.
Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan were on a downward spiral this year, Donegal probably the latest to join the slide this year. They seemed on their last legs against Derry.
We don't really know how good Armagh and Derry are. Derry won't find out until the semis. Armagh will find out in the quarter.
That's a good point as well, I feel Ulster is pretty strong and I actually think the Tyrone All-Ireland win made Derry and Armagh think "why not". The fact Donegal and Monaghan didn't take advantage this year is an indictment on them but I suppose if Derry and Armagh go out without giving a good account of themselves, it would put the Ulster championship into perspective.
However I've a funny feeling Tyrone last year will be a bit like Down in '91. Maybe won't be an Ulster winner this year but I expect an Ulster finalist.
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
It's more difficult to do what Derry do in Croke Park
Derry have the best defence of the 3, but simply don't have the best forwards in the county playing for them to rattle Armagh or Galway. Worry about Clare first, we struggled to beat them in Ennis
Quote from: Gael80 on June 13, 2022, 10:16:38 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 10:13:30 AM
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Quote from: JoeSoap on June 13, 2022, 09:24:56 AM
Having seen Armagh and Derry up close (Armagh too many times unfortunately), I think Derry would win that potential semi-final matchup. I think Armagh play some lovely stuff but in my opinion Derry are cuter and are more than capable of sticking with Armagh physically. I also think McKaigue would swallow Rian O'Neill up and that is really Armagh's attack - as good as Armagh's forwards are in general, everything runs through O'Neill in terms of playmaking as well so if you nullify him they really struggle.
I also don't think Armagh have anyone that could live with the likes of Glass and Rodgers when they get going.
But really I may be over-egging Derry a bit. They just remind me of Donegal in 2011/12. I think they can go as far as they want to this year. They may come up short for Sam if they face Dublin as the Dubs are just so good at playing against the system Derry play now, but I think they can beat any other team left in the competition. It's all about their mindset now and in that regard I think Clare is the perfect draw for them because while Clare are clearly a very good side, I think Derry should beat them even if they're not fully tuned in.
Don't mean to discount Galway either, that quarter final is a toss-up really. I expect that to be the pick of the quarters, it should be a cracking game - 2 very similar teams in their talent and while Galway have gone defensive against Mayo for example, they're more than capable of playing the attacking expansive game. I don't know Galway's defenders too well, who would be earmarked for Rian O'Neill? For Armagh I would put Jarlath Óg on Shane Walsh to try and stick with him athletically and maybe force him back the other way. Forker will go on Comer I'm guessing.
Good post! Armagh and Galway is 50 50 and whilst Clare will likely bring a big performance you'd have to tip Derry. As for the semi finals how Derry cope on a big pitch against an all out attacking system would be interesting. They really struggled against Galway in the league when Galway pushed up.
The QF's have three very competitive games which will make for a good weekend of football.
Derry v Clare wont be competitive - Clare will be lucky to score 10 pts
Kerry V Mayo might be competitive for 50mins
The only guaranteed competitive game will be Galway v Armagh
All opinions but remember Clare have been together a long time, have a settled system and share Division 2 with Derry. Derry are favourites and should win but I doubt it'll be all one way.
Clare would need another high score like Saturdays 2-15 but that said more about Roscommon who hadn't improved at all from the Connacht final where they gave Comer, Finnerty and Walsh the freedom of Pearse Stadium to cause damage.
Clare only scored 1-11 against Meath. 1-14 v Limerick in 70 minutes and had low scores in a number of their league games this year. Derry have upped their intensity to a different level from the league but will the four week lay off hit their momentum and will they become complacent with this draw?
As for Kerry V Mayo for 50mins it will look like Kerry will run away with it only for Mayo to come alive in the final quarter l. Expect chaos in that game once more.
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
Derrys defensive game doesn't work as well in Croker. If we get over Galway I'd say we'd relish a go at Derry in the semi.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 13, 2022, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
Derrys defensive game doesn't work as well in Croker. If we get over Galway I'd say we'd relish a go at Derry in the semi.
How so?
People are making a lot of assumptions about Derry's defensive game and Croke Park. If they are tuned into it mentally and realise the opportunity ahead of them, the system will look after itself.
Pitch is 2m longer and a metre wider, how much of a difference that makes am unsure.
Think u lads need worry about Galway first,instead of what Derry do, as Derry be focusing on Clare, nobody else.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Pitch is 2m longer and a metre wider, how much of a difference that makes am unsure.
Croke park and Owenbeg have the same dimensions.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 11:55:33 AM
Think u lads need worry about Galway first,instead of what Derry do, as Derry be focusing on Clare, nobody else.
Agreed. Some opportunity for all 4 sides now.
Quote from: ONeill on June 13, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
What will be interesting is finding out whether or not Ulster is on the slide.
Donegal, Tyrone and Monaghan were on a downward spiral this year, Donegal probably the latest to join the slide this year. They seemed on their last legs against Derry.
We don't really know how good Armagh and Derry are. Derry won't find out until the semis. Armagh will find out in the quarter.
Leinster (only 1 county) is the dominant predator. If Derry or Armagh or both take an unmerciful beating that won't do either any good and would turn the year into a write off.
The GAA created Frankenstein.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 08:43:01 AM
Juice / mod, u got sthing to tell us, mystic Meg.
I better play the lotto tonight!
Quote from: full moon on June 13, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
It's more difficult to do what Derry do in Croke Park
How much smaller is the pitch at Clones to Croke?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2022, 12:11:35 PM
Quote from: full moon on June 13, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: Taylor on June 13, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Entertainment wise Galway v Armagh will be the one everyone wants to see.
The problem both teams face is that they then come up against Derry who will smother both of them.
It's more difficult to do what Derry do in Croke Park
How much smaller is the pitch at Clones to Croke?
Someone said that Ballybofey was bigger than clones. I was listening to a podcast during the week with Aaron Kernan on it. Kernan said that Clones plays bigger than Ballybofey. Maybe Croke park is the same?
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
That would be a great day out, surely looking 60k+ in attendance?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
From where? Are they not meeting this afternoon?
Quote from: JoG2 on June 13, 2022, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
From where? Are they not meeting this afternoon?
Harold was at the meeting
Hope that's is the case, get in the minor game too
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 13, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 13, 2022, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
From where? Are they not meeting this afternoon?
Harold was at the meeting
Was that the pre-meeting when envelopes were exchanged? lol
I'd like to see each of these matches played in a jammed pack provincial ground rather than a 30% capacity at Croke.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
I'd like to see each of these matches played in a jammed pack provincial ground rather than a 30% capacity at Croke.
If it was a triple header including minor games you'd possibly get closer to 60k no? Armagh will take literally the whole county.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 13, 2022, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
I'd like to see each of these matches played in a jammed pack provincial ground rather than a 30% capacity at Croke.
If it was a triple header including minor games you'd possibly get closer to 60k no? Armagh will take literally the whole county.
What, even the unionists?
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Those times would be very unusual for a Saturday and I expect gaps between games to be slightly bigger than 2 hours to account for ET. So I think someone may have been pulling your leg. But we'll find out shortly!
Quote from: tiempo on June 13, 2022, 12:51:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 13, 2022, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 13, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
I'd like to see each of these matches played in a jammed pack provincial ground rather than a 30% capacity at Croke.
If it was a triple header including minor games you'd possibly get closer to 60k no? Armagh will take literally the whole county.
What, even the unionists?
The Orange men are on the march
Quote from: Hound on June 13, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Those times would be very unusual for a Saturday and I expect gaps between games to be slightly bigger than 2 hours to account for ET. So I think someone may have been pulling your leg. But we'll find out shortly!
Maybe, but they're usually fairly clued in. Armagh ladies would be upset as they play on the Saturday as well.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 13, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Those times would be very unusual for a Saturday and I expect gaps between games to be slightly bigger than 2 hours to account for ET. So I think someone may have been pulling your leg. But we'll find out shortly!
Maybe, but they're usually fairly clued in. Armagh ladies would be upset as they play on the Saturday as well.
Hopefully the mens and ladies games are on different days then.
Quote from: Hound on June 13, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Those times would be very unusual for a Saturday and I expect gaps between games to be slightly bigger than 2 hours to account for ET. So I think someone may have been pulling your leg. But we'll find out shortly!
Hurling QFs seem to be similar time this Saturday. I would have thought the standard times Saturday were later on
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 13, 2022, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Pitch is 2m longer and a metre wider, how much of a difference that makes am unsure.
Croke park and Owenbeg have the same dimensions.
Was going to post the same thing
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Is that confirmed?
Last All-Ireland final appearances were Galway (2001), Armagh (2003), Derry (1993) and Clare (1917).
Quote from: full moon on June 13, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 13, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Those times would be very unusual for a Saturday and I expect gaps between games to be slightly bigger than 2 hours to account for ET. So I think someone may have been pulling your leg. But we'll find out shortly!
Hurling QFs seem to be similar time this Saturday. I would have thought the standard times Saturday were later on
Good point.
It seems earlier than usual times this Saturday for the hurling are because RTÉ have the rights for the hurling and they have the URC rugby final live at 6.30pm (which is a shitshow for them now given it's two South African teams!).
are the saturday quarter final games not scheduled for sky, if so then i would preseume they will be later
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2022, 01:32:48 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 12:16:53 PM
Heard a Triple header on the Saturday in croke park
Derry v Galway minors 12pm
Derry v Clare 2pm
Armagh v Galway 4pm
Is that confirmed?
Last All-Ireland final appearances were Galway (2001), Armagh (2003), Derry (1993) and Clare (1917).
Heard the same - only the minor game to throw in at 11:45
is 2pm a bit early or would it be ok for people
Quote from: Eire90 on June 13, 2022, 02:54:03 PM
is 2pm a bit early or would it be ok for people
Be early enough for Lurgan people so I see the GAA have factored that in.
Source has corrected himself!
Apparently official now.
'Official now
Sunday 26th June
Armagh v Galway 1:45
Kerry v Mayo 4pm'
The 1/4 finals are made up of:
3 Munster teams
2 Connaught teams
2 Ulster teams
1 Leinster
Is there anything the GAA could do to alleviate this problem with Munster football being too strong?
Maybe move one of them into the Ulster Championship?
Move some more Ulster teams into the Tailteann Cup to help them improve?
Quote from: blanketattack on June 13, 2022, 03:52:48 PM
The 1/4 finals are made up of:
3 Munster teams
2 Connaught teams
2 Ulster teams
1 Leinster
Is there anything the GAA could do to alleviate this problem with Munster football being too strong?
Maybe move one of them into the Ulster Championship?
Move some more Ulster teams into the Tailteann Cup to help them improve?
Pity Tyrone and Donegal weren't drawn against Limerick and Cork;)
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
All quarter finals confirmed for Croke Park.
Saturday
Derry v Clare @3:45pm
Dublin v Cork @ 6pm
Sunday
Galway v Armagh @ 1:45pm
Kerry v Mayo @ 4pm
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 13, 2022, 04:51:23 PM
All quarter finals confirmed for Croke Park.
Saturday
Derry v Clare @3:45pm
Dublin v Cork @ 6pm
Sunday
Galway v Armagh @ 1:45pm
Kerry v Mayo @ 4pm
So on the Sunday the counties with direct motorway access to Dublin have the early game and the two that don't have the later game. Makes perfect sense
What teams are in Armagh's side of the draw. Thanks
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 13, 2022, 05:30:36 PM
What teams are in Armagh's side of the draw. Thanks
Galway or Armagh v Derry or Clare.
Why is Dublin V Cork not in Pairc ui chaoimh? Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
It's likely that there will only be 1 Ulster team (Derry) in the semi finals, and that's solely by virtue of drawing by far the weakest team left. There may not be much between the Ulster teams, but they all seem to me to be a step off the real contenders and even Mayo.
Just as easily there could be two Ulster teams in the last 4 we will have to wait and see
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
It's likely that there will only be 1 Ulster team (Derry) in the semi finals, and that's solely by virtue of drawing by far the weakest team left. There may not be much between the Ulster teams, but they all seem to me to be a step off the real contenders and even Mayo.
You're completely failing to take into account the luck of the draw. Nobody would consider either Clare or Cork among the top 8 sides in the country. The national league is a far better gauge of a teams level.
Clare played a team who are deemed in the top eight though.
Cork have dodged any good teams yes.
Is there no parking at Clonliffe Collage now?
Not a chance in hell the Derry management team will let any notion of complacency slide into the team's mentality. Can see them winning a dpur enough match by 4-5 points.
Armagh to pip Galway in a shootout.
Derry to smother Armagh in Semi final with Armagh struggling to contain Brendan Rodgers.
Kerry to come through other side and keep Derry at arms length to win AI by 3
Quote from: yellowcard on June 13, 2022, 08:25:56 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
It's likely that there will only be 1 Ulster team (Derry) in the semi finals, and that's solely by virtue of drawing by far the weakest team left. There may not be much between the Ulster teams, but they all seem to me to be a step off the real contenders and even Mayo.
You're completely failing to take into account the luck of the draw. Nobody would consider either Clare or Cork among the top 8 sides in the country. The national league is a far better gauge of a teams level.
In a provincial system the 8 D1 teams are not going to make it en masse to the qfs. Tyrone, Donegal, Kildare and Monaghan all fell previously
2 of the provincial champions were in D2
Quote from: seafoid on June 13, 2022, 09:16:32 PM
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Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
It's likely that there will only be 1 Ulster team (Derry) in the semi finals, and that's solely by virtue of drawing by far the weakest team left. There may not be much between the Ulster teams, but they all seem to me to be a step off the real contenders and even Mayo.
You're completely failing to take into account the luck of the draw. Nobody would consider either Clare or Cork among the top 8 sides in the country. The national league is a far better gauge of a teams level.
In a provincial system the 8 D1 teams are not going to make it en masse to the qfs. Tyrone, Donegal, Kildare and Monaghan all fell previously
2 of the provincial champions were in D2
There's probably a top 11 teams which includes all of division one plus Galway, Roscommon and Derry. Kerry are out in front and I would say there is not a huge amount of difference in the other teams and it depends on luck of the draw, momentum, form and injuries as to the results between those sides.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 13, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
Is there no parking at Clonliffe Collage now?
Not this year.
https://crokepark.ie/getting-here/match-concert-parking
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 09:02:28 PM
Clare played a team who are deemed in the top eight though.
Cork have dodged any good teams yes.
No disrespect to Cork, Clare or Limerick but theres probably 6 teams in Ulster better than them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 13, 2022, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 13, 2022, 09:02:28 PM
Clare played a team who are deemed in the top eight though.
Cork have dodged any good teams yes.
No disrespect to Cork, Clare or Limerick but theres probably 6 teams in Ulster better than them.
There's 5 anyway. The 6th is questionable.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on June 13, 2022, 07:54:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 13, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
I say Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Cavan would put all munster teams to the sword, outside of Kerry. They got lucky that Ulster teams knocked themselves out.
It's likely that there will only be 1 Ulster team (Derry) in the semi finals, and that's solely by virtue of drawing by far the weakest team left. There may not be much between the Ulster teams, but they all seem to me to be a step off the real contenders and even Mayo.
Says the Division 2 buachaill, forgetting what province last year's AIF winners over Mayo were from! :P
no reason why cork v dublin cant be played in nowlan park
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 13, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
Is there no parking at Clonliffe Collage now?
Not this year.
https://crokepark.ie/getting-here/match-concert-parking
Cheers. Had spotted this after I posted as had heard someone say this was the case. Any idea why? Was always a handy enough spot.
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Beyond a joke all tickets being distributed through RacketMaster
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
It's not going to be a sellout you should get tickets handy enough.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 14, 2022, 07:28:47 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 13, 2022, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 13, 2022, 09:03:12 PM
Is there no parking at Clonliffe Collage now?
Not this year.
https://crokepark.ie/getting-here/match-concert-parking
Cheers. Had spotted this after I posted as had heard someone say this was the case. Any idea why? Was always a handy enough spot.
https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2022/0510/1297135-clonliffe-auction/
The Ulster final of 2021 might have been the last time you could have parked there.
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
I ordered 8 tickets and the seats are shite. Stuck in a corner. Was online in a queue from just after 10 to 10. Who the f**k got all the seats in the centre sections?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 14, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
I ordered 8 tickets and the seats are shite. Stuck in a corner. Was online in a queue from just after 10 to 10. Who the f**k got all the seats in the centre sections?
Someone ordering the day before will get them.
Quote from: p3427977 on June 14, 2022, 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 14, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
I ordered 8 tickets and the seats are shite. Stuck in a corner. Was online in a queue from just after 10 to 10. Who the f**k got all the seats in the centre sections?
Someone ordering the day before will get them.
Was there a pre-sale of tickets?
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 14, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
I ordered 8 tickets and the seats are shite. Stuck in a corner. Was online in a queue from just after 10 to 10. Who the f**k got all the seats in the centre sections?
Maybe they sell the poorer seats first if they can get shot of them early doors, if they think there's going to be decent demand for them.
No, in block 335 myself and was about 7k on the queue, when put through, I had been on from 9:40, so taking what's ahead at 10am, still should got centre in either cusack or hogan, not the case.
Am betting the house the centre spots mostly be Dublin.
will many of clare or derry fans stay for dublin game at 6pm
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:31:32 AM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on June 14, 2022, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: marty34 on June 14, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: mackers on June 14, 2022, 10:36:34 AM
The GAA are going to have to find another way of getting their tickets distributed. This Ticketmaster site is a disgrace.
Why? What happened?
Only bad seats being released first?
I ordered 8 tickets and the seats are shite. Stuck in a corner. Was online in a queue from just after 10 to 10. Who the f**k got all the seats in the centre sections?
Maybe they sell the poorer seats first if they can get shot of them early doors, if they think there's going to be decent demand for them.
Christ only knows. It's a pure lottery with Ticketmaster. Have a severe dislike for them as it always feels like you get fucked over by them.
Seems like a very strange way of allocating sections. I would have thought they would release the best tickets first. Its anybodys guess as to whether they will release better tickets over the coming days or whether they are being reserved for other reasons.
Down County Board have an allocation of tickets to distribute via clubs. I'm assuming that most counties have the same. That wouldn't be long adding up to 10000 tickets
Section 306 myself ... the benefit of a season ticket :)
I'm in 327 myself... I have 2 spare if anyone wants one the brother told me to get him 2 and then went and bought them himself!!!
What a dick!
Quote from: balladmaker on June 14, 2022, 12:27:20 PM
Section 306 myself ... the benefit of a season ticket :)
How many season ticket holders are there between Armagh, Galway, Mayo, Kerry?
Enough to fill all the central sections of the Cusack anyway.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 14, 2022, 12:34:36 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 14, 2022, 12:27:20 PM
Section 306 myself ... the benefit of a season ticket :)
How many season ticket holders are there between Armagh, Galway, Mayo, Kerry?
Enough to fill all the central sections of the Cusack anyway.
Don't know, but I thought I read somewhere that Mayo have sold all their season ticket allocations, which could be 2500 alone, although I can be corrected on that figure.
Was said some years ago Mayowestros had 3,500 and Galway football had 90!!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 14, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
Was said some years ago Mayowestros had 3,500 and Galway football had 90!!
MGHU have been in the following finals since Galway's last appearance
2004, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2016 (replay), 2017, 2020 and 2021
It's the hope that kills them
Both specials for the Armagh game sold out within 10 minutes
Trans link looking at putting on more trains
Quote from: naka on June 14, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Both specials for the Armagh game sold out within 10 minutes
Trans link looking at putting on more trains
The train would be cheaper than driving.
Quote from: naka on June 14, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
Both specials for the Armagh game sold out within 10 minutes
Trans link looking at putting on more trains
Any specials for the Derry game? Looks like you can get enterprise tickets from Belfast or Dundalk, but not Portadown or Newry.
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
How can you tell?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 14, 2022, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
How can you tell?
Ticketmaster now have a seating plan up for the game you can select specific seats/tickets, so you're able to see how many have been sold. Most of the Upper and Lower Cusack, Most of the Hogan. Still plenty left in the Canal End.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 14, 2022, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
How can you tell?
Ticketmaster now have a seating plan up for the game you can select specific seats/tickets, so you're able to see how many have been sold. Most of the Upper and Lower Cusack, Most of the Hogan. Still plenty left in the Canal End.
is the railway end open?
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
They release tickets in sections apparently, so a lot of the greyed out areas haven't been put on sale yet and won't be unless needed.
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 15, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
They release tickets in sections apparently, so a lot of the greyed out areas haven't been put on sale yet and won't be unless needed.
Looks like the Upper Canal End, along with the Upper Hogan won't be open.
The entire lower tier plus Upper Cusack will be open.
Quote from: Estimator on June 15, 2022, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 15, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
They release tickets in sections apparently, so a lot of the greyed out areas haven't been put on sale yet and won't be unless needed.
Looks like the Upper Canal End, along with the Upper Hogan won't be open.
The entire lower tier plus Upper Cusack will be open.
I'm in the upper hogan.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 15, 2022, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 15, 2022, 01:42:45 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 15, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 14, 2022, 08:33:44 PM
Was checking Ticketmaster there way more tickets sold than I thought would be for Saturday!!!
They release tickets in sections apparently, so a lot of the greyed out areas haven't been put on sale yet and won't be unless needed.
Looks like the Upper Canal End, along with the Upper Hogan won't be open.
The entire lower tier plus Upper Cusack will be open.
I'm in the upper hogan.
Meant to say that was for the Derry game.
Looks like most/all of the stadium will be open for Sunday's fixtures
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
:) That made me laugh!
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0621/1306041-morgan-armagh-have-unbelievable-all-ireland-chance/We have Stephen Maguire in with us from time to time, he works with Sport Ireland (High Performance Coach). One of the things he put forward to us was owning the pitch in terms of your persona. He talked about his time with Team GB and their big thing was owning the warm-up area and going in with the swagger that 'we're going to win'.
"He said that it was visible to him that we didn't have that sense that we were winners this year, or that we expected to win. Anytime we went to play Dublin as reigning champions, Kerry as reigning champions or Monaghan or Donegal as reigning Ulster champions, we always felt that those lads were not going to let it go. There was a feeling that everybody expected us to lose every game this year. That was from the aura we gave off.
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
Have no doubt, Clare are a serious outfit and very much a threat to Derry.
We have ti win this game first.
I think Clare will provide a massive test for Derry on Sunday and I just pray to god that there is no complacency amongst our players about the challenge they will face.
As they showed against Roscommon last time out this Clare team can play a swashbuckling style of football that will eat you if they get a sniff of victory and gain some momentum.
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
Love to know where you're seeing that with Armagh ones.
Anyway it's been too long since we've been playing at the business end of things. Let us enjoy it!
Quote from: ONeill on June 22, 2022, 09:36:48 AM
The approaches to this game from Derry and Armagh supporters have been interesting to observe.
The Derry ones have been reserved. They are refusing to get too excited and won't look beyond Clare. They're like the Sperrins; hard, cold but toweringly strong
.
The Armagh ones are like a pile of children on Christmas Eve. They're talking about All Ireland Finals, Sams, takeovers. They're like a Buckfast-tasting convention; jollified, crazy, and a bit messy.
Nothing wrong with either approach but it's just interesting to observe from a county in between them.
Couldnt be truer. Derry have calculated this and whilst it may have came a little earlier than planned. They are in a position to take advantage of it and can win Sam. Armagh had the knives out for mc Geeney 5 weeks ago now they are in delirium and the county is drunk on dreams and full of gay abandon and all are suckin diesel.. Its great fun altogether and who couldnt but wish them well. The serious question for this year is the openly joyful and gay abandon approach of Armagh be cut down by the method and risk assessment process of Derry in a semi ...
Lets be realistic here, by Monday both Armagh and Derry could be out.
Neither team have the recent consistency to be overly confident about the QF game.
Armagh, still difficult to gauge where they are given how quickly Donegal capitulated the last day out. It looked like a Donegal team low on confidence for some reason and who didn't know what way to play.
Derry, beat a poor Tyrone side, played a barnstorming first half against Monaghan to secure a win, and won an extra time wrestling session with Donegal. Have looked impressive defensively
and have some terrific footballers. But could get beaten by Clare, who have a better recent history in the AI series than Derry do.
Both Armagh and Derry would be foolish to think the weekend games are a foregone conclusion.
From a Derry perspective, if we get passed Clare, I'd like to play Galway to get the opportunity of exacting some revenge from the league game earlier in the year.
But either one of Galway/Armagh will pose serious problems as both are strong running teams.
Let's be realistic, derry are through and I'd make armagh slight favourites in a close battle.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 22, 2022, 01:31:51 PM
Let's be realistic, derry are through and I'd make armagh slight favourites in a close battle.
Both Derry and Armagh are red hot favourites for me.
Bad enough listening to Galways with Superior attitudes but now the GAAboard Nordies......
I don't understand how Armagh are red hot favourites. Galway are a good team. I'd have them slight favourites tbh. They have beat two good teams in Roscommon and Mayo and it hasn't been that hard work for them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:53:42 PM
I don't understand how Armagh are red hot favourites. Galway are a good team. I'd have them slight favourites tbh. They have beat two good teams in Roscommon and Mayo and it hasn't been that hard work for them.
Would agree with this,
To be fair, the only ones indulging the idea that Armagh are red hot favourites (or that Armagh supporters are getting carried away), are Tyrone followers with little better to do now than make mischief on a topic (Sam Maguire Qualifiers 2022) that they have little genuine interest in. They have little to be at!
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 03:53:42 PM
I don't understand how Armagh are red hot favourites. Galway are a good team. I'd have them slight favourites tbh. They have beat two good teams in Roscommon and Mayo and it hasn't been that hard work for them.
Armagh slight favourites at best. Anyone calling either team in that game red hot favourites is on a windup.
;D I would say you are right.
To have them red hot favourites is nonsense. They have to handle Walsh and Comer in particular and Galway pretty solid in midfield etc too. Armagh not bad with a few very good forwards and a decent midfield too. Has the makings of a very good game.
Galway by 2...
Quote from: clarshack on June 22, 2022, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on June 22, 2022, 01:31:51 PM
Let's be realistic, derry are through and I'd make armagh slight favourites in a close battle.
Both Derry and Armagh are red hot favourites for me.
Based on?
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 22, 2022, 04:21:42 PM
;D I would say you are right.
To have them red hot favourites is nonsense. They have to handle Walsh and Comer in particular and Galway pretty solid in midfield etc too. Armagh not bad with a few very good forwards and a decent midfield too. Has the makings of a very good game.
Galway by 2...
Really looking forward to it. Our defence has come on big time this year- can't remember exact figures but we didn't concede a whole pile of goals in the league against top opposition. Galways forwards in Croker in the championship will a huge test though.
Comer running at you will be a big test. His hamstring seems to play up from time to time though so croker will be a test for him.
Walsh in full flight a joy to behold. Be interesting to see who picks him up.
Croke Park expected attendances this Saturday and Sunday.
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I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
Petition to ban Tyrone men from talking about our matches lol. If you're trying to be a cute huer maybe don't be so obvious about it ;)
I am going with all the form and therefore the hot favourites to win. Quarter finals traditionally are not a day for massive shocks, semi finals are. Derry/Armagh/Dublin and Kerry to advance.
Quote from: rrhf on June 24, 2022, 09:08:55 AM
I am going with all the form and therefore the hot favourites to win. Quarter finals traditionally are not a day for massive shocks, semi finals are. Derry/Armagh/Dublin and Kerry to advance.
The only results that would be massive shocks to me would be a hammering either way in the Derry/Clare or Armagh/Galway games, Cork getting within 5 points of Dublin or Mayo hammering Kerry. Any other outcome wouldn't be much of a surprise.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 23, 2022, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. They have to be red hot favourites against Galway who lets face it are coming out of a really weak Connacht.
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2022, 10:19:40 AM
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Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. They have to be red hot favourites against Galway who lets face it are coming out of a really weak Connacht.
Armagh are a force of social contagion
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2022, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 23, 2022, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Your having a laugh , I presume ?
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. They have to be red hot favourites against Galway who lets face it are coming out of a really weak Connacht.
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2022, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 23, 2022, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. They have to be red hot favourites against Galway who lets face it are coming out of a really weak Connacht.
Aw give up!
Good luck to our northern brethren anyway.
Derry seem to be playing it cool. Even the BBC segment on the quarters was telling. The Derry schoolkids were cheering but you could see the headmaster shouting at them to quiet down. The Armagh segment was berserk. Tierney was worse than his pupils and just stopped short of painting his arse orange. Their giddiness is infectious though.
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2022, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: trailer on June 24, 2022, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on June 23, 2022, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 23, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
I think Saturday's games will go to form for the favourites.
Sunday, I feel that one of the two raging hot favourites, Armagh or Kerry, will slip up.
I'd call neither raging hot favourites, but I guess you're up to a bit of Tyrone mind games ahead of your neighbours hour of destiny on Sunday.
Armagh are the All Ireland Qualifier Champions 2022. They have to be red hot favourites against Galway who lets face it are coming out of a really weak Connacht.
Armagh are a force of social contagion
Interesting.
Media reports that Con O'Callaghan and James McCarthy both have hamstring injuries and out of the match today and unlikely to be back for a semi final if Dubs get by Cork.
Safe journeys to all travelling from the 7 Counties today and especially from Derry and Armagh.
Hope the Jackeens can make it in time for throw in (not kick off) ::)
If or when Armagh lift Sam, Geezer will follow Dooher as winning captains and managers. Some feat.
Quote from: ONeill on June 25, 2022, 10:15:00 AM
If or when Armagh lift Sam, Geezer will follow Dooher as winning captains and managers. Some feat.
;D gotta love the interest Tyrone folk continue to get from this year's championship thanks to Armagh :D
Think Doohers feat is safe for a few years yet. Fully expect this year's winners to come from the kerry dublin semi final
Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2022, 08:53:41 PM
Good luck to our northern brethren anyway.
Derry seem to be playing it cool. Even the BBC segment on the quarters was telling. The Derry schoolkids were cheering but you could see the headmaster shouting at them to quiet down. The Armagh segment was berserk. Tierney was worse than his pupils and just stopped short of painting his arse orange. Their giddiness is infectious though.
There are probably more restrained teachers in Armagh than Tierney.
Yes, there is enthusiasm in Armagh, but there is no sense that the game is already won. Galway are seen as equals and the smart bet is the 40/1 for a draw HT & FT. In Derry's case there could be a risk of hubris, the view that if we have beaten Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal then we can beat Clare. Hubris is dangerous, Armagh lost two QFs against team they should have beaten because their heads were not in the right place.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 25, 2022, 01:02:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 24, 2022, 08:53:41 PM
Good luck to our northern brethren anyway.
Derry seem to be playing it cool. Even the BBC segment on the quarters was telling. The Derry schoolkids were cheering but you could see the headmaster shouting at them to quiet down. The Armagh segment was berserk. Tierney was worse than his pupils and just stopped short of painting his arse orange. Their giddiness is infectious though.
There are probably more restrained teachers in Armagh than Tierney.
Yes, there is enthusiasm in Armagh, but there is no sense that the game is already won. Galway are seen as equals and the smart bet is the 40/1 for a draw HT & FT. In Derry's case there could be a risk of hubris, the view that if we have beaten Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal then we can beat Clare. Hubris is dangerous, Armagh lost two QFs against team they should have beaten because their heads were not in the right place.
We must remember not to cheer our team too much or show any sign of happiness. Football is a serious business in the bushes.
Con and Jamesie confirmed as not in the 26 for Dublin today. So the rumoured hamstring injuries appear to be true.
McStay being asked on RTE Radio 1 how Cork can stay with Dublin in the game as The BeeGees - Staying Alive plays through the Croke Park PA system. ;D
Dublin 0-10 to 0-7 ahead at half time in a low quality game. Some amount of poor wides kicked by both sides, the crowd far from full sound bored watching it.
Dubs trying to win in 2nd gear and not show their hand to Kerry (sorry Mayo).
Quote from: bennydorano on June 25, 2022, 06:45:58 PM
Dubs trying to win in 2nd gear and not show their hand to Kerry (sorry Mayo).
Don't think so. This is the type of show that got Dublin relegated to Div 2.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2022, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 25, 2022, 06:45:58 PM
Dubs trying to win in 2nd gear and not show their hand to Kerry (sorry Mayo).
Don't think so. This is the type of show that got Dublin relegated to Div 2.
Yeah, don't think so myself.
Johnny Cooper just awarded MOTM and I would 100% say he is a big weak link in that team at this stage of his career. Kerry will be delighted to see him line out at CHB.
Hopefully, tomorrow will feature games where the result is in some doubt for 60 mins.
Dean Rock is probably the best free taker from hands ever. Super accurate, great kicking style.
2 non events today, could do with 3 tiers of competition, the second tier with teams ranked 7th to 16th, winner gains entry to All Ireland quarter. Clare were as I thought abysmal, Derry looked hungry, well coached, they will fear nobody, fine side.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 25, 2022, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on June 25, 2022, 06:45:58 PM
Dubs trying to win in 2nd gear and not show their hand to Kerry (sorry Mayo).
Don't think so. This is the type of show that got Dublin relegated to Div 2.
Yeah, don't think so myself.
Johnny Cooper just awarded MOTM and I would 100% say he is a big weak link in that team at this stage of his career. Kerry will be delighted to see him line out at CHB.
I agree. Big weak link, fouls when under pressure he is a shadow of the player he once was.
That said Dublin will be happy enough. They won in 3rd gear and will all of the pressure will likely be on Kerry (providingbthey beat Mayo) in what will be the de facto AI final.
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
Johnny Cooper at sweeper was the reason Donegal tore Dublin apart in 2014 wasn't it. He's a corner back or full back at best. Positional sense isn't there for sweeper.
Dublin are a different team without Con. before today I honestly thought they'd win the ai. Not so sure now especially if con carrying an injury.McCarthy huge loss. With them two back though different beast.
Couldn't raise the tempo which would be worrying if they meet one of the big teams who have pace to punch through their defence then it could be curtains..
Big plus though was they tackle in 2's or 3's Cork struggled to put in a proper tackle
They are a shadow of the 6 in a row team but they could get themselves up for one last shot at glory. Muscle memory and a learned ability to close out tight games should not be underestimated. I suspect if they don't win an AI this year they could struggle to regain the crown for a good few years though as a lot of players are on their last legs at the top level.
Somewhat strange that the captain and vice captain suffer similar injuries in the lead up to the latter stages of the championship.
This added to the continued absence of the likes of Cluxton and Mc Caffrey doesnt instill total confidence in the dublin squad's chances of further progression in this all-ireland series.
Despite the 11 point win, Dublin can probably count themselves lucky that they drew Cork for today's game, and not Mayo or Armagh ... as things could have become alot more interesting for them.
Derry impressive today, although Clare were woeful. Derry clinical when the goal opportunities were presented, however, they won't get the same chances afforded them against a better opposition than Clare.
Quote from: MK on June 25, 2022, 08:42:11 PM
Somewhat strange that the captain and vice captain suffer similar injuries in the lead up to the latter stages of the championship.
This added to the continued absence of the likes of Cluxton and Mc Caffrey doesnt instill total confidence in the dublin squad's chances of further progression in this all-ireland series.
Charlie Redmond and Ciaran Whelan too. Probably a few more retired players not playing.
Quote from: guevara on June 25, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
I think Hurson is a poor ref to say the least.
Cork dont have the forwards. Dublin looked ordinary enough.
You'd imagine they'll improve for the semi, but who knows.
I'm still not convinced they are as good as some in the media think. Management certainly not the best tactically....or maybe not the best in getting the right match ups.
I don't think Kerry or Mayo would be overly concerned based on that performance today.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 25, 2022, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 25, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
I think Hurson is a poor ref to say the least.
Cork dont have the forwards. Dublin looked ordinary enough.
You'd imagine they'll improve for the semi, but who knows.
I'm still not convinced they are as good as some in the media think. Management certainly not the best tactically....or maybe not the best in getting the right match ups.
I don't think Kerry or Mayo would be overly concerned based on that performance today.
I said when the draw was being made I'd love us to get a go a Dublin. Reckon only for luck of the draw letting a weak Cork team through Dublin would have been in trouble against any Ulster team.
Quote from: tbrick18 on June 25, 2022, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: guevara on June 25, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
I think Hurson is a poor ref to say the least.
Cork dont have the forwards. Dublin looked ordinary enough.
You'd imagine they'll improve for the semi, but who knows.
I'm still not convinced they are as good as some in the media think. Management certainly not the best tactically....or maybe not the best in getting the right match ups.
I don't think Kerry or Mayo would be overly concerned based on that performance today.
Con O'Callaghan makes them a different team though as does McCarthy.
Cork really no better than Clare who are getting more bad press than they deserve.
The way the draw has worked out has devalued the quarter finals and left complete mismatches
With big teams drawing each other all along the way, leaving rubbish such as Clare and Cork in the last 8, basically fulfilling a fixture and celebrating that they got to a quarter final.
Replace them with say Donegal, Tyrone, or Monaghan, Kildare
And it really would have been a brilliant weekend of competitive games.
I suppose that's the idea of next year, which will probably ensure that these type of non competitor games can't happen at quarter final stage
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Quote from: guevara on June 25, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
I think Hurson is a poor ref to say the least.
Cork dont have the forwards. Dublin looked ordinary enough.
You'd imagine they'll improve for the semi, but who knows.
I'm still not convinced they are as good as some in the media think. Management certainly not the best tactically....or maybe not the best in getting the right match ups.
I don't think Kerry or Mayo would be overly concerned based on that performance today.
Con O'Callaghan makes them a different team though as does McCarthy.
Cork really no better than Clare who are getting more bad press than they deserve.
Agreed. Both sides would have lost against any of the Ulster teams in the qualifiers imo.
Quote from: guevara on June 25, 2022, 07:43:03 PM
Sean Hurson allowed The Dubs to pull away with the usual amount of soft frees.
Cork stopped kicking the ball in and it continually resulted in turnovers.
Johnny Cooper MOTM tells you how poor The Dubs were.
Nuts, I was only half watching the game, but the one thing I kept my eye on was cooper and Hurley.
Cooper was constantly at him off the ball, digs, holding him, they were rolling around the ground wrestling at one point (think after cooper had picked up his yellow), dunno what the umpires were at. He was taken off to avoid getting red imo.
Quote from: Hound on June 25, 2022, 03:32:13 PM
Con and Jamesie confirmed as not in the 26 for Dublin today. So the rumoured hamstring injuries appear to be true.
Think Con broken bone in ankle. We won't do against kerry next wee.
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 26, 2022, 08:12:33 AM
The way the draw has worked out has devalued the quarter finals and left complete mismatches
With big teams drawing each other all along the way, leaving rubbish such as Clare and Cork in the last 8, basically fulfilling a fixture and celebrating that they got to a quarter final.
Replace them with say Donegal, Tyrone, or Monaghan, Kildare
And it really would have been a brilliant weekend of competitive games.
I suppose that's the idea of next year, which will probably ensure that these type of non competitor games can't happen at quarter final stage
But Clare and Derry are both i n Div. 2.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 25, 2022, 08:21:47 PM
They are a shadow of the 6 in a row team but they could get themselves up for one last shot at glory. Muscle memory and a learned ability to close out tight games should not be underestimated. I suspect if they don't win an AI this year they could struggle to regain the crown for a good few years though as a lot of players are on their last legs at the top level.
Dublin have lost 15/16 players from the 2019 panel. It was an ageing panel bar the lads from the 2011 minor team and Con, Murchan and Howard. Lads coming through at not at same level Would expect kerry to win it handy this and next year.
That's the point - same with Cork
Got through by virtue of the fact that the Div 1 teams all drew each other
Armagh v Tyrone
Donegal v Armagh
Mon v Mayo
Kildare v Mayo
This imbalance - left 2weak teams in last 8
But Clare and Derry are both i n Div. 2.
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Clare beat a division one team to get to play Derry though. Cork had an easier run.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 25, 2022, 07:46:16 PM
Johnny Cooper at sweeper was the reason Donegal tore Dublin apart in 2014 wasn't it. He's a corner back or full back at best. Positional sense isn't there for sweeper.
That's not right.
Cooper's best position by far is sweeper. He is an excellent reader of the game and a very good leader.
But probably hasn't got the legs anymore to be a 1 on 1 defender.
The Donegal 2014 game was where we have had everyone following their man. We learnt after that that some defenders need to hold their position if their men went back.
Dublin don't play a sweeper if the opposition play 6 forwards. But in recent years it's only Mayo and Kerry who do that. Give all our defenders someone to mark and you will cause us big problems. Although you'll also leave us space up the other end.
Clearly Con is a massive player for the Dubs. If he's missing for the semi the Dubs will be in big trouble. Would need to consider using Kilkenny as a replacement, but that would weaken the half forward line.
Still think Armagh were the best qualifier champions ever.
Quote from: ONeill on June 26, 2022, 08:29:25 PM
Still think Armagh were the best qualifier champions ever.
Kildare used to hold that title! Had the same Manager too!
None of the qualifiers qualified for the semi finals.
Armagh went closest.