Eighth Amendment poll

[sid waddell]

My point was ignored. Nobody on the No side has dealt with it.

I dealt with it

In response the poster armaghniac made a "point" that makes mere stupidity seem positively intellectual.

Once again, you can refute my point if you wish. Calling me stupid is not a refutation.

You didn't.

Calling my post "ballix" is not a refutation - that's what you did.

[whitey]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

[sid waddell]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

Pretty much the entirety of the No side.

Delicate snowflakes that they are.

[Premier Emperor]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.

[sid waddell]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.

Syferus can speak for himself - I'm just laughing at the pig ignorant stupidity and inability to debate from the No side.

Keep it up, as somebody likes to say.

[sid waddell]

Personally I'm all for free speech - that's why I support publicising the not at all insane comments of John Waters. 

Hot on the heels of the comments of Councillor Des Guckian that if the 8th Amendment is abolished "it will lead to sex slavery" and that "Hitler would be very happy", and the comments of the Bishop of Ossory that a rape victim having an abortion is worse for her than the rape itself, such reasonable opinion should do a great deal to win over the undecideds.

Keep it up, please, No campaigners.

Comparisons between abortion and Holocaust spark walkouts during Limerick mass

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/john-waters-abortion-holocaust

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/310605/appalling-holocaust-comments-at-limerick-mass-as-speech-prompts-several-to-walk-out.html

Churchgoers in Limerick were moved to walk out of Mass this weekend following comments from controversial Irish journalist John Waters which allegedly drew parallels between the repeal of the constitutional ban on abortion in Ireland and the Holocaust. 

Waters, a pro-life campaigner, had been invited to speak at three services at Our Lady of the Rosary Church, Ennis Road, by parish priest Fr Des McAuliffe but some parishioners were so appalled by his comments, they walked out.

"He drew parallels between repealing the eighth amendment and Nazism – referring to Auschwitz and the Holocaust. That was the most frightening part," one parishioner told the Limerick Leader.

[whitey]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.

Syferus can speak for himself - I'm just laughing at the pig ignorant stupidity and inability to debate from the No side.

Keep it up, as somebody likes to say.

EH.....Im in favor of a Yes vote!

I voted Yes in the poll and have said at least half a dozen times on here that Im in favor of a Yes vote.

The issue I see with many of the Yes supporters is that unless everyone wholeheartedly agrees with every single nuance of their various arguments, they get painted as something theyre not.

It is a schoolyard bully tactic to shut down debate and silence any dissenting opinions (even of those who agree with them in principle but maybe not on every detail)

This is exactly what happened with Brexit and Trump and we know how those votes both turned out

[sid waddell]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.

Syferus can speak for himself - I'm just laughing at the pig ignorant stupidity and inability to debate from the No side.

Keep it up, as somebody likes to say.

EH.....Im in favor of a Yes vote!

I voted Yes in the poll and have said at least half a dozen times on here that Im in favor of a Yes vote.

The issue I see with many of the Yes supporters is that unless everyone wholeheartedly agrees with every single nuance of their various arguments, they get painted as something theyre not.

It is a schoolyard bully tactic to shut down debate and silence any dissenting opinions (even of those who agree with them in principle but maybe not on every detail)

This is exactly what happened with Brexit and Trump and we know how those votes both turned out

Lolzers.

You are quite the snowflake.

I absolutely welcome different opinions, and if people want to throw out personal abuse, as the no side have been only too happy to do, I'm fine with that.

It just seems strange that there have been so few coherent opinions on the No side, and so few No supporting-posters who are willing to answer hard questions.

Very strange.

[Premier Emperor]

I've talked to dozens of people who are going to vote No, but are keeping their intentions private.
This is mainly because of how aggressive the Yes camp are to people who disagree with them.

[sid waddell]

I've talked to dozens of people who are going to vote No, but are keeping their intentions private.
This is mainly because of how aggressive the Yes camp are to people who disagree with them.

You should probably get out more.

The No side are anything but silent. And they're not a majority.

The bullying that has gone on during this campaign from the No side has been an absolute disgrace.

Religious fundamentalists standing outside maternity hospitals in intimidating women by thrusting giant pictures of dead foetuses in their faces, widespread ripping down of Yes posters, widespread comparisons to Nazis (who incidentally, elements of the No campaign actually have links to - Justin Barrett is a regular attendee at neo-Nazi events in Germany).

One can only imagine the reaction of the No side had Yes campaigners used giant pictures of dead women.

So I think we can agree that there's no equivalence here whatsoever. The behaviour of the No campaign has been an utter disgrace.

When they have such little argument, gutter politics is the only thing left for them.

[sid waddell]

Here's an another nice, reasonable view from Enda Sherlock, brother of leading No campaigner Cora Sherlock.

[Billys Boots]

I've talked to dozens of people who are going to vote Yes, but are keeping their intentions private.
This is mainly because of how aggressive the No camp are to people who disagree with them.

[sid waddell]

And here's another very reasonable view from Enda Sherlock.

Don't recall Cora saying anything in objection to it...

[AZOffaly]

Is that a troll account?

[whitey]

Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.

Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?

The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.

Syferus can speak for himself - I'm just laughing at the pig ignorant stupidity and inability to debate from the No side.

Keep it up, as somebody likes to say.

EH.....Im in favor of a Yes vote!

I voted Yes in the poll and have said at least half a dozen times on here that Im in favor of a Yes vote.

The issue I see with many of the Yes supporters is that unless everyone wholeheartedly agrees with every single nuance of their various arguments, they get painted as something theyre not.

It is a schoolyard bully tactic to shut down debate and silence any dissenting opinions (even of those who agree with them in principle but maybe not on every detail)

This is exactly what happened with Brexit and Trump and we know how those votes both turned out

Lolzers.

You are quite the snowflake.

I absolutely welcome different opinions, and if people want to throw out personal abuse, as the no side have been only too happy to do, I'm fine with that.

It just seems strange that there have been so few coherent opinions on the No side, and so few No supporting-posters who are willing to answer hard questions.

Very strange.

Believe whatever you want......this could be a lot closer than people think