Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

Started by full moon, May 07, 2022, 12:15:48 PM

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Earlier Championship

Success
62 (37.8%)
Failure
68 (41.5%)
Too early to say
34 (20.7%)

Total Members Voted: 164

full moon

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 09, 2022, 03:36:49 PM
It's far too congested and hard to keep track of all the games in a short space of time. Underage county matches which produces some of the best matches of the year are getting lost in the congestion.

Yeah Its been a disaster for underage intercounty.  Squashed in the middle of all. The basically killed the minor putting it U17.I note the All Ireland u20 final isnt even in Croke Park next Saturday its in Leitrim. The could have done a double header with Kildare in Leinster semi final Sunday. How many Kildare will go to Leitrim now? Much less I assume. Who is making these fixture pill ups in Croke Park and where is the justification? They have totally devalued minor and u20 championships amongst others.

Doesn't seem to be many double headers with u20/U17 and senior games either.Yesterday it was the Ladies game as curtain raiser.

armaghniac

Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM
Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.

Hurling has had some cracking crowds. Football has not, there was only 15000 in Clones yesterday, Kerry and Cork was sent to backwater. I was in Ballybofey and there was almost a row of empty seats in the stand in front of me. There was probably more people at the Armagh -Tyrone league game than will show up at the Athletic grounds for Monaghan v Derry. 
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Dreadnought

Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think

timmyot501

"There was probably more people at the Armagh -Tyrone league game than will show up at the Athletic grounds for Monaghan v Derry. "

You could still be right armaghniac but there are no more tickets available for the seated stand for Sunday.  So there should still be a decent enough crowd for this one.

Rossfan

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

johnnycool

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think

30K+ at Tyrone v Derry then?

Dreadnought

Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a city

onefineday

Quote from: Throw ball,

I think the new split season makes no sense but in the end attendances will determine if it has worked.

Attendances will be part of it, but maybe more importantly, TV viewing figures, sponsorship interest, TV rights, marketing etc. All of which are likely to be diminished by this format
Worse though is the long term impact if this was continued in the long run. The kids of today barely know there is a championship progressing, especially those from non gaa backgrounds, it'll completely pass them by. They're used to premier League, fantasy, stats updated, a clear program of fixtures with the time to figure out what's happening. The gaa season will be over as far as most are concerned by the time they get their heads around it! But it's grand, there'll be another along in 9 months time......

seafoid


johnnycool

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.



thewobbler

Quote from: onefineday on May 10, 2022, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Throw ball,

I think the new split season makes no sense but in the end attendances will determine if it has worked.

Attendances will be part of it, but maybe more importantly, TV viewing figures, sponsorship interest, TV rights, marketing etc. All of which are likely to be diminished by this format
Worse though is the long term impact if this was continued in the long run. The kids of today barely know there is a championship progressing, especially those from non gaa backgrounds, it'll completely pass them by. They're used to premier League, fantasy, stats updated, a clear program of fixtures with the time to figure out what's happening. The gaa season will be over as far as most are concerned by the time they get their heads around it! But it's grand, there'll be another along in 9 months time......

You, like at least a dozen others on this thread, seem to be confusing the decade long demise of the provincial championships, with moving the championship forwards.

Rossfan

Between this thread, the u20 one and the Tailteann one I've never read so much whinging and moaning and negativity in one place.
Worse than a DUPUDA/Bryson "rally".
It's feckin depressing.

Cheer up folks!
It's May, we've daylight till 9.30 or after, we've had some great weather but with a few wet ones to make the grass grow, GAA Club games are in full swing at all age groups with games nearly every day of the week, County teams are engaged in football and hurling Championships, there are a load of shiny cups to be won, Club Championships will have the field to themselves from 25th July.....

Maybe the Mods could open a Positive comments only Section....
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Dreadnought

Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.

Rugby city? The rugby city that now has a hard time filling its stadium, due to the success of the hurlers? You're seeing rugby players come now from places like west Cork, and not as much from Limerick as they used to. Hurling is affecting rugby in Limerick, as you would expect with the level of success they're having.

johnnycool

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 10, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2022, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 10, 2022, 08:31:24 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on May 09, 2022, 03:49:00 PM

Almost a full house at the Gaelic grounds yesterday all the same.


You'd really hope so, at the home of the All Ireland champions against a neighbour. If you're not nearly filling that, then it'll be time to think
It was 27,141.

As it should be for the champions at home in a rugby city


Is that the sound of the goalposts moving?

Tyrone carry huge support, granted less so Derry but the football championships go through the motions up to and including the provincial finals barring Ulster and less so Connacht depending if its a Mayo-Galway affair and teams prepare accordingly.
The last 8 or quarter final stages is when the football takes off, the better teams lining out against each other, do dog, shíte the license whereas hurling has that from the get go.

Only saying like, don't shoot the messenger.

Rugby city? The rugby city that now has a hard time filling its stadium, due to the success of the hurlers? You're seeing rugby players come now from places like west Cork, and not as much from Limerick as they used to. Hurling is affecting rugby in Limerick, as you would expect with the level of success they're having.

Joking about that, settle petal..

But the point remains, the hurling championship goes full tilt with meaningful games from the start (a few dead rubbers in the qualifiers though), the football one has too many one sided embarrassments which don't appeal to the fans of even the counties partaking let alone the neutrals but will improve come knock out time.


seafoid

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0411/1291647-bonnar-short-season-leaves-players-in-vicious-circle/
Tipperary manager Colm Bonnar feels that the new split-season format has left county players trapped in "a vicious circle" with no period of downtime

This will be the first time that the Munster Championship group stage format has been run since pre-Covid times in 2019 and speaking to the media ahead of Sunday's opener with Waterford at Walsh Park, Bonnar said that the lack of preparation time between league and championship was hard to deal with.

In that 2019 campaign, the Premier County had 58 days to ready themselves between their Allianz Hurling League quarter-final defeat to Dublin and their provincial opener against Cork. This term, with the split-season arrangement bedded in, it's 29 days – and that's with Tipp missing out on the league knock-out stages.