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Judging my carmen result, it will be another few years before the O'Neill Cup comes 'home'

Can someone explain that performance to me please and thank you.

Look at the half forward line for a start. 3 games in a row it's been totally changed during the game. Certain players can't score, can't tackle, don't field the ball ànd can't run.

Exactly my views

Tyrone HF line is a serious problem. Offer no threat on the scoreboard, don't offer a kickout option nor are they great kickers or playmakers of the play.

Just run back without actually offering a tackling presence or defensive mind either.
I don't like to name men but Daly, O'Donnell (2 goals last week aside), Donaghy & even R Canavan don't look up to county standard.

The forward mark/advantage, literally gives the defender & art of defending zero chance.

If a forward gets a mark,the best decision for the defender is to just go in through the man and foul so they can't go at the goal etc..

I would have thought the Friday night fixtures appeased 95% of players, supporters etc.

Would think reverting back to Sundays would be terrible decision.

Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.

Yes the Ulster football & Munster hurling championship are the exceptions.

And 2 games out of the Connacht championship. (A semi final & final)

Munster & Leinster championships are dead and that affects 17 counties

Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

Still early days on the rules, teams still adopting.  It will be round 4 at least before we well and truly know how the rest of the year will pan out in terms of gameplay. 

From an Armagh perspective, it was slightly frustrating watching them kick the ball from a kickout into a 50/50 contest in the second half.  They were in a commanding lead and each kickout allowed Tyrone every chance to get back into the game. 

The middle of the pitch will become a scrum for possession.  The better placed players will cancel each other out for high fielding so it'll be a scramble for break ball each time.   

From a neutral that is what you want I suppose in a game like that, but what hope does Wicklow/Longford have in the summer when the meet Dublin in the championship.  Dublin score, Wicklow are forced to kick the ball to a 50/50, Dublin win possession, score, Wicklow kick to a 50/50. 

Next step of gaelic football revamp is the removal of the provincials.

Imagine a competition in soccer based solely on geography (no matter the standard).

Like Liverpool being in a group with accrington stanley & tranmere.

Hard cold facts would suggest that teams with a traditional keeper outperform those with a roaming keeper.

What ones are these now? Your argument that the last 3 AI winning teams had more traditional keepers?

Yep.

It's a small data set, I know. But I'm not sure a case exists yet in county or club football whereby a team's results have improved after enabling a roaming keeper.

Ok, so it's a small data set, but these are "hard cold facts"?

Out of curiosity, how come you chose 3 years? Why not go back 4? Did something perhaps happen in 2001 that might invalidate your argument a touch?

I don't really care either way, but don't present little more then speculation as fact ffs.

Jesus you're angsty.

Why 3 years?

Because that's roughly around the same time that roaming keepers took off.

For example, when Tyrone won the 2021 AI, Morgan was predominately a keeper who rarely left his own 45, apart from for long range frees.

Since then, Tyrone, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Monaghan and to some extent Mayo (I'm focusing on top flight teams here btw) have all pursued a strategy of keepers becoming link men through the opposition's half.

And it hasn't, yet, worked out for any of them.

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I notice your edit on Ryan.

And now you're just being difficult.

A goalkeeper empowered and willing to help out his defence is not even remotely the same concept as the goalkeeper who end up in forward positions. Don't compare the two. It's like comparing a centre half forward with a corner back. 

Your point of 2021 is absolutely invalid. 2021 was the same year where at one point of the game, Niall Morgan was marking Rory Beggan in the monaghans half in the Ulster final.


He was scoring points from play as early as 2019 (see Roscommon NFL) when Harte was still manager.

The washingbay is a brutal venue for a windy day. You'd kick a ball forward it would soon go backwards over your head.

Sounds perfect for keepers that are being forced to kick it 40m every time

A keeper only has to kick it minimum 13m, by the rules

Dungannon, errigal & Moortown sure to have the same setups.

Clonoe looked an aged side, moortown looked far sharper & fitter and the 6pts deficit was an accurate gap I thought.

The 2 twin half backs for moortown were top class, seemed to be everywhere.

Any know if it's next weekend or 2 weekends?
I see scotstown-erne gaels don't play their QF to next weekend.

Anyone at the Aghyaran-Moy game. Great scoreline by the updates anyways. Looking like Michael Conroy maybe hit 2-10 by looks of the Moys updates?

The recency bias of the railway cup has done Morgan a massive favour