NI job losses

[Minder]

Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry

What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?

[AZOffaly]

Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry

What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?

Finding replacement jobs I presume is what he means.

[Franko]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

[Milltown Row2]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

From my time working there.... You work there??

[seafoid]

Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry

What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?

New jobs is his or her job, no ?

[Tony Baloney]

Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry

What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?

New jobs is his or her job, no ?

In NI realistically it is Jonathan Bell in the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment as you can't just pull jobs out of your arse. The Department of Employment and Learning is a different beast.

[Milltown Row2]

Anyway very sad news for al those workers. Who is the employment minister ? I hope it's not that clown from East Derry

What could the employment minister do about a Canadian company haemorrhaging money?

New jobs is his or her job, no ?

I've never known a minister to have any influence to change these cuts in jobs, good fir them to get media coverage saying the right things... Proper tits in my opinion

When the shipyard was closing Robinson said all the right things, but behind it all he was a winner

[seafoid]

How are they going to replace the jobs? I presume bombardier was fairly well paid.

[Franko]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

From my time working there.... You work there??

No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do.  However, it's utterly irrelevant.  You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy.  No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices.  No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough.  Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.

[Tony Baloney]

Shorts Bombardier has always been a boom and bust company. No real job security as employees were always a lost order away from the bru. The unions never lose out. They'll still be in business in the morning peddling the same oul shite.

[Milltown Row2]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

From my time working there.... You work there??

No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do.  However, it's utterly irrelevant.  You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy.  No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices.  No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough.  Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.

Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...

If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....

As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....

I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....

[Franko]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

From my time working there.... You work there??

No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do.  However, it's utterly irrelevant.  You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy.  No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices.  No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough.  Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.

Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...

If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....

As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....

I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....

Haha, that's some bit of reversing!  You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series.  Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said.  Much more reasoned stuff.  Your initial post was still idiotic though.

[No wides]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

Hopefully these work shy people don't claim benefits after being made unemployed!!!!

[Milltown Row2]

Well the union rejected cost cutting measures to help reduce the expected redundancies.....

I'm very much ambivalent about Unions these days, as a public sector worker you cant help but notice that the most useless workshy hoorbags gravitate towards the local posts. I wouldn't know much about In this particular situation but the above seems a regularly trotted out line. Sometimes they dont realise until it's too late that they are in a game of brinkmanship that they were never gonna win. The Union movement is going down the toilet imo, it rarely knows what battles to be fighting.

Unions are only looking after themselves.... Its big business with proceeds of wages going towards them...

Very simple, work harder and you'll keep your jobs.... Somebody is going it more efficiently somewhere else, why not here? Worked there fir 3 years, plenty areas that could be improved to help the place.... People are strange

What an idiotic thing to say.

From my time working there.... You work there??

No, but quite a few friends and old uni mates did/do.  However, it's utterly irrelevant.  You just said that the reason that 1000 people are looking at the dole queue this evening is because they are lazy.  No mention of the company bleeding cash due to cost over-runs on an ambitious project to try to compete with big boys, nothing about availability of cheaper labour in other economies, nothing about moronic union leaders advising workers to make wrong choices.  No, you see them 1000 over there, they didn't work hard enough.  Maybe you'd like to go and sit outside Bombardier's gate tomorrow morning and tell your ex-colleagues that in person.

Read my first post you clampit... I blame the unions on this, they advised the employees to not vote in favour of the cuts to help save jobs, they also did same thing in the shipyard and in most other union based sectors...

If they and that includes a lot of people that I seen from working there personally for 3 years worked mire efficiently then we wouldn't have what we have.... I had a sector of a fuselage to complete, certain man hours to get it done and wait on the next section before starting over again.... Two days you wait sometimes before getting your next kit to start working again... That's 16 hours per man with 8000 workers ?? Now that might not have been the norm all over, but I seen and did that a lot....

As for taking on projects like the carbon fibre wings its essential that they do that to improve the quality of the planes... Massive hit taken on that and a huge amount of money lost on developing that concept.... My next door neighbour is a designer in the place..lsd lives up the street is a fitter I know plenty of friends that work there, all disappointed with how things have been dealt with..... Countries will always have better working tax breaks than us....

I said to them at the time, take the hit now (it wasn't huge) and when the composites start to make money then bombardier will be at the forefront of that technology....

Haha, that's some bit of reversing!  You've went from stating explicitly that the people would still have their jobs if they worked harder, to blaming unions, poor management and the hit from the development of the C series.  Come to think of it, that's exactly what I said.  Much more reasoned stuff.  Your initial post was still idiotic though.

Nope, to certain extent we have a mentality in n.i when working for these companies and the likes of the civil service to expect more from the employers a do less.... Not accepting the cuts was both union and employees problems... Being asked to work to 2 O'clock instead of finishing at 11.45 on a Friday was just one of the things they didn't want to do.... Now you tell me that's not lazy??

[Saffrongael]

So the 6500 other Bombardier staff that are being made redundant across Canada & Europe also lazy? Or is it just the ones in Belfast? The Bombardier boss here said the redundancies would have happened regardless of the staff accepting the pay deal last year.