To be promoted
Cavan Evens
Down Evens
Westmeath 2/1
Offaly 5/2
Longford 9/2
Tipperary 9/2
Antrim 11/2
Fermanagh 7/1
First round of fixtures.
Saturday 28th
Tipperary v Down
Fermanagh v Longford
Sunday 29th
Antrim v Offaly
Westmeath v Cavan
Looking forward to some lively debate...
Surely Westmeath are better than 2/1. The Tailteann really brought them on.
Odds for Fermanagh are about right
We will be happy to stay in Div 3 I would think
We have a massive game against Longford first .
We have to win that one or I fear the worst
We have blooded alot of young players but we are not finding any forwards.
As usual a lot will depend on Sean Q.
Cavan and Down seem to be a cut above the rest but I wouldn't be so sure .
Cavan found that out last year.
Down have new management that seem to have the players behind them but they are unproven at this level and division 3 will be blanket defences galore.
It's going to be a real dog fight
I think that 1st game between Cavan and Westmeath in Mullingar will be key, whoever wins that will have taken a strong step forward. Cavan and Down are playing near the end of the league which is good for Cavan as from looking at Down I think they stared training early and by that game things should have equalised. Div 3 is a real dog fight and there are plenty of banana skins for all teams.
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Spoken as negatively as possible like a true Cavan supporter but I take your point that a lot of teams will take points of each other in that group.
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2023, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Spoken as negatively as possible like a true Cavan supporter but I take your point that a lot of teams will take points of each other in that group.
Going by the performances in the league the last 4 or 5 years you hardly blame me for not been overly confident going into these games!
It's a mad looking division this year. Last year was odd for the opposite reasons when it looked a poor division, hence the end we saw to it with who went up. With Cavan and Tipp up, and Down and Offaly down, this season looks a far tighter division than I've seen in recent times. With Westmeath failing to get promoted last year, could honestly make the case for 5 or 6 teams there being in with a chance of promotion. Should be some cracking games this year
Down have had a very good pre season McKenna Cup campaign. The squad in general look very fit, we look a lot more organised than we have for a long time and have a real goal threat going forward.
I'm looking forward to the Tipp game on Saturday week, only 8/15 with pp which I think is a bit skinny for a first league game away from home. Might look elsewhere for a bit of value.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2023, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Spoken as negatively as possible like a true Cavan supporter but I take your point that a lot of teams will take points of each other in that group.
Going by the performances in the league the last 4 or 5 years you hardly blame me for not been overly confident going into these games!
Well I am confident that Cavan can beat every team in this division if they apply themselves properly but I would agree there are many teams capable of beating each other and throw in the random messy weather and heavy pitches and a lot of games can go either way.
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2023, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Spoken as negatively as possible like a true Cavan supporter but I take your point that a lot of teams will take points of each other in that group.
Going by the performances in the league the last 4 or 5 years you hardly blame me for not been overly confident going into these games!
Cavan are so inconsistent alright. Still can't get my head around how they allowed themselves to drop to Division 4. Should be at the very least a Division 2 team staying up year on year. Sure even Clare have managed to do that.
Will Westmeath suffer from the same malaise that affected Cavan and Tipp in 2021 after Championship successes? Cavan are in a perfect position to test them Sunday week.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 18, 2023, 04:38:03 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 03:41:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 17, 2023, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 17, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
The only team in that Division that i would confidently say that Cavan would beat is Antrim the rest could go either way.
Spoken as negatively as possible like a true Cavan supporter but I take your point that a lot of teams will take points of each other in that group.
Going by the performances in the league the last 4 or 5 years you hardly blame me for not been overly confident going into these games!
Cavan are so inconsistent alright. Still can't get my head around how they allowed themselves to drop to Division 4. Should be at the very least a Division 2 team staying up year on year. Sure even Clare have managed to do that.
Inconsistent in league anyway, Championship was generally good in that time. An Ulster final and an Ulster win were on back to back relegations. With a coach who clearly stated that he used League to experiment for Championship, so it wasn't unexpected. That turned bad though when they linked league to Championship. And then that joke league in 2021 when they split it geographically meant you only had a few games before playoffs and then got caught. Should never have went down there though, no excuses. Always were and competed as a Division 2 or so level team. Just an odd set of circumstances. Paying for it now with missing the All Ireland series and seeing the gaps widening
Quote from: Westside on January 18, 2023, 04:52:21 PM
Will Westmeath suffer from the same malaise that affected Cavan and Tipp in 2021 after Championship successes? Cavan are in a perfect position to test them Sunday week.
It would be a surprise.
Quote from: seafoid on January 19, 2023, 09:11:24 AM
Quote from: Westside on January 18, 2023, 04:52:21 PM
Will Westmeath suffer from the same malaise that affected Cavan and Tipp in 2021 after Championship successes? Cavan are in a perfect position to test them Sunday week.
It would be a surprise.
Not a huge one. This Westmeath team didn't peak in 2022 - don't let the Tailteann Cup fool you. They wouldn't have been in that competition if they hadn't lost at home to Longford in the league.
The key players are the same ones that made back to back Leinster finals in 2015 & 2016. Backboned by a superb u21 group from 2010. Heslin was the youngest member of that u21 team , and is 30 now. There isn't a sufficient volume of quality coming behind to be anything better than Div 3.
Will possibly get up this year, but would most likely come straight back down , and stay down for quite some time.
Looking online I see Westmeath evens and Cavan 6/5. 7-1 for a draw which might be the best value.
Cavan didn't play that well in a lot of games in Division 4 last year. London nearly stole victory in Ruislip. They need to up the performance against better teams this year.
I'll go with Offaly for promotion this year. Good young talent with experience of D2 from last year. Lacked physicality which was especially evident in TC v Westmeath but think they should be improving in that department with the extra year. Really shrewd managerial appointment too.
After that plenty of teams can make claims, except maybe Antrim. I think they would be my relegation favourite by a margin. Not clear who else is in line for second drop spot. Again plenty of potential candidates and surprises. I think it will be touch and go for up and down with most teams here heading into game 6. Good start and clear injury runs will be essential.
Fermanagh V Longford won't be played on Saturday night .
Brewster park unavailable due to work being done on the pitch and it's the only ground that has floodlights in Fermanagh of a suitable standard.
According to the local press it's either Saturday or Sunday afternoon in Edenery, Tempo or Roslea.
Thanks FermGael. But unless these are emergency works then why was the game fixed for here on a Sat eve in the first place?
2pm throw-in wherever will suit me better than the evening throw-in.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 19, 2023, 09:43:59 PM
Thanks FermGael. But unless these are emergency works then why was the game fixed for here on a Sat eve in the first place?
2pm throw-in wherever will suit me better than the evening throw-in.
Good question.
Now there is always the possibility that it could be played somewhere else with lights outside the county .
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 19, 2023, 07:11:12 PM
I'll go with Offaly for promotion this year. Good young talent with experience of D2 from last year. Lacked physicality which was especially evident in TC v Westmeath but think they should be improving in that department with the extra year. Really shrewd managerial appointment too.
After that plenty of teams can make claims, except maybe Antrim. I think they would be my relegation favourite by a margin. Not clear who else is in line for second drop spot. Again plenty of potential candidates and surprises. I think it will be touch and go for up and down with most teams here heading into game 6. Good start and clear injury runs will be essential.
Offaly playing Longford tomorrow in the O Byrne Cup final, TG4 Youtube at 2. A chance to look at both teams before the league.
Paddy Christie seems to have got most of Longfords best players on the panel. 6 or 7 opted out last year,. Liam Kearns a decent appointment for Offaly.
Down looked decent in the McKenna Cup. I don't think the Johnstons were involved yet, whether Lavety will get them on the panel.
Rodney
We're playing Louth in the final!!
But with regards Longford you are correct. Paddy Christie has coaxed last year's departees back so really there is nobody of county standard staying away.
I would hope that, come the last few games, we are at the business end of things. Staying in Div 3 at the very least, is vital.
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Quote from: Look-Up! on January 19, 2023, 07:11:12 PM
I'll go with Offaly for promotion this year. Good young talent with experience of D2 from last year. Lacked physicality which was especially evident in TC v Westmeath but think they should be improving in that department with the extra year. Really shrewd managerial appointment too.
After that plenty of teams can make claims, except maybe Antrim. I think they would be my relegation favourite by a margin. Not clear who else is in line for second drop spot. Again plenty of potential candidates and surprises. I think it will be touch and go for up and down with most teams here heading into game 6. Good start and clear injury runs will be essential.
Offaly playing Longford tomorrow in the O Byrne Cup final, TG4 Youtube at 2. A chance to look at both teams before the league.
Paddy Christie seems to have got most of Longfords best players on the panel. 6 or 7 opted out last year,. Liam Kearns a decent appointment for Offaly.
Down looked decent in the McKenna Cup. I don't think the Johnstons were involved yet, whether Lavety will get them on the panel.
Yeah it's really difficult to call at this stage. No standout team really. I've called Offaly as one I fancy, good squad, good manager who will be laying down a marker, but at the same time wouldn't be overly shocked if they fall flat.
There's just so many teams in there who with a little improvement have D2 credentials but could just as likely have a/another bad year.
My own Cavan, I feel there's experience there with physicality, quality and doggedness plus there's some nice looking footballers coming through. So all in all I should be more confident for a D3 campaign than I am. I just see us struggling scoreboard wise and the spine of the defence, even though well established, look shaky at times. Midfield another puzzle. With Thomas Galligan gone we're back to blooding which takes time. Question marks over James Smith too fitness/injury wise. A consistent free taker inside the 45 would also be nice. I wish I was as confident as the bookmakers.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 19, 2023, 09:43:59 PM
Thanks FermGael. But unless these are emergency works then why was the game fixed for here on a Sat eve in the first place?
2pm throw-in wherever will suit me better than the evening throw-in.
2 p.m throw in on the Saturday in Edenery
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 20, 2023, 04:11:03 PM
Rodney
We're playing Louth in the final!!
But with regards Longford you are correct. Paddy Christie has coaxed last year's departees back so really there is nobody of county standard staying away.
I would hope that, come the last few games, we are at the business end of things. Staying in Div 3 at the very least, is vital.
Ah yeah indeed. There was a bit of confusion with teams pulling out and Offaly then not playing Louth in Semi
Quote from: FermGael on January 20, 2023, 04:53:27 PM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on January 19, 2023, 09:43:59 PM
Thanks FermGael. But unless these are emergency works then why was the game fixed for here on a Sat eve in the first place?
2pm throw-in wherever will suit me better than the evening throw-in.
2 p.m throw in on the Saturday in Edenery
Thanks FermGael. Looks like a decent pitch and at least there is a stand. Prob best to bring the thermals all the same.
It's a great set up and a credit to the club
It's a small stand .
Pitch is in great shape.
There are colder places in Fermanagh.
We could have taken you to our center of excellence in Lissan.
Longford won the league in 1966. That must have been some night.
Bookies have it.
Longford slight favourites over Fermanagh 10/11
Offaly favourites over Antrim 8/13
Westmeath slight favourites over Cavan 10/11
Anyone think there's great value in Tipp at home to Down. Underdog 9/4. I know there's a consensus Down are improving but they didn't win a game last year.
Quote from: FermGael on January 20, 2023, 08:27:39 PM
It's a great set up and a credit to the club
It's a small stand .
Pitch is in great shape.
There are colder places in Fermanagh.
We could have taken you to our center of excellence in Lissan.
Lissan?Is it not nearly already confused between Derry and Tyrone without bringing Fermanagh into it lol
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 04:18:28 PM
Bookies have it.
Longford slight favourites over Fermanagh 10/11
Offaly favourites over Antrim 8/13
Westmeath slight favourites over Cavan 10/11
Anyone think there's great value in Tipp at home to Down. Underdog 9/4. I know there's a consensus Down are improving but they didn't win a game last year.
Down appointed James McCartan very late last year, near December. It seemed more of a stop gap appointment for a year because they couldn't get a manager. Laverty pulled out of the race last year.
Laverty was appointed last August so had plenty of time to get things organized
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 25, 2023, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 04:18:28 PM
Bookies have it.
Longford slight favourites over Fermanagh 10/11
Offaly favourites over Antrim 8/13
Westmeath slight favourites over Cavan 10/11
Anyone think there's great value in Tipp at home to Down. Underdog 9/4. I know there's a consensus Down are improving but they didn't win a game last year.
Down appointed James McCartan very late last year, near December. It seemed more of a stop gap appointment for a year because they couldn't get a manager. Laverty pulled out of the race last year.
Laverty was appointed last August so had plenty of time to get things organized
Not going to argue any of that, just that all of a sudden bookies see Down as favourites to top group.
Division 3 really is their level until they prove otherwise. Tipp's fortunes have varied but have credentials for this level and more. They're at home. It's winter football. I see value in the odds.
Cavan to beat Westmeath
Longford to beat Fermanagh
Down to beat Tipp
Offaly to beat Antrim
Thats my take on it
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Cavan to beat Westmeath
Longford to beat Fermanagh
Down to beat Tipp
Offaly to beat Antrim
Thats my take on it
A tenner on that would bag you 100 with PP.
Change in a Tipp victory, 220. Tipp/Down draw 575
Add in Cavan/Westmeath draw, you'd get 1960 back on a tenner
I've seen 2 of Downs McKenna cup games, and I know we shouldn't read too much into preseason games, but Laverty definitely has stamped his authority on the squad in a short period of time.
Players who didn't commit previously are in this year, the keeper has been impressive in the 3 games to date. Our kickouts have improved dramatically and there is real pace throughout the team.
I'm heading to Thurles on Saturday, looking forward to it as well and quietly confident of collecting 2 points.
Quote from: ardtole on January 25, 2023, 05:31:23 PM
I've seen 2 of Downs McKenna cup games, and I know we shouldn't read too much into preseason games, but Laverty definitely has stamped his authority on the squad in a short period of time.
Players who didn't commit previously are in this year, the keeper has been impressive in the 3 games to date. Our kickouts have improved dramatically and there is real pace throughout the team.
I'm heading to Thurles on Saturday, looking forward to it as well and quietly confident of collecting 2 points.
Fair enough, maybe Down win the safe option but Cavan/Westmeath draw could make nice accumulator.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Cavan to beat Westmeath
Longford to beat Fermanagh
Down to beat Tipp
Offaly to beat Antrim
Thats my take on it
A tenner on that would bag you 100 with PP.
Change in a Tipp victory, 220. Tipp/Down draw 575
Add in Cavan/Westmeath draw, you'd get 1960 back on a tenner
I'd be very confident in the last 3 games, Cavan and Westmeath could be the problem
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2023, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 05:19:38 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 25, 2023, 05:08:24 PM
Cavan to beat Westmeath
Longford to beat Fermanagh
Down to beat Tipp
Offaly to beat Antrim
Thats my take on it
A tenner on that would bag you 100 with PP.
Change in a Tipp victory, 220. Tipp/Down draw 575
Add in Cavan/Westmeath draw, you'd get 1960 back on a tenner
I'd be very confident in the last 3 games, Cavan and Westmeath could be the problem
Fermanagh/Longford I just wouldn't be sure. Maybe Down, Offaly, draw, draw. 130/1. Stranger things have happened.
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 05:05:22 PM
Not going to argue any of that, just that all of a sudden bookies see Down as favourites to top group.
Division 3 really is their level until they prove otherwise. Tipp's fortunes have varied but have credentials for this level and more. They're at home. It's winter football. I see value in the odds.
Mad how Down are favourites to top the group. A team with no wins of any description since June 2021 in League or Championship. No doubt they're looking better so far this year in McKenna cup, but that's pre-season stuff. They'll likely be there or thereabouts, but straight in as favourites above a few others is odd for me
Yeah I would still expect Cavan and Westmeath are maybe better but should be interesting. What can happen a lot in these things is that the teams who are considerably fitter do well in the pre-season games and the first few games they have that fitness then other teams catch up. That could happen here I suspect.
There will be a draw in some of those games..
I try the draws with the favourites away from home in a luck15 bet.. Its for an interest but there are usually a few draws in the leagues.. Ya just gotta find them ;D
I have Down and Cavan for Going up.
Fermanagh v Longford - Don't see much between these. Home advantage could swing it but will go for draw
Antrim v Offaly - Expecting good things from this Offaly setup this season and a good start on the road in Belfast.
Tipperary v Down - Not convinced on Mourne men but bookies and fans seem confident and Tipp can be very slow starters. So Down win against my gut.
Westmeath v Cavan - Expect physical encounter with defences on top. Cavan will be missing main scoring threats but defensively will be very up for it. Draw
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 25, 2023, 04:18:28 PM
Bookies have it.
Longford slight favourites over Fermanagh 10/11
Offaly favourites over Antrim 8/13
Westmeath slight favourites over Cavan 10/11
Anyone think there's great value in Tipp at home to Down. Underdog 9/4. I know there's a consensus Down are improving but they didn't win a game last year.
Seen Tipp v Waterford in the McGrath and they played really well ( I know it was Waterford ) . Playing a different system from last year which was very defensive and counter attacking . More attacking this year and getting the ball into the inside Forward line quickly , Steven O`Brien has been moved to Full Forward , big lad wins a lot of ball and lays it of which really suits Sweeney and O`Connor . Podge Feehan back in Midfield great foot passer will supply plenty of ball inside . Unfortunatly Jack Russell is unavailable will be back from injury in a couple of weeks
Unlucky not to beat Limerick in the McGrath and from what I hear looking very lively in training ! Don`t take Tipp for granted ! !
Why is Michael Quinlivan not committing this year? He was travelling last year so not around but thought he'd be back on the Tipperary panel. Robbie Kiely retired,he was a good half back.
Longford unable to build on their pre-season success. Good win for Fermanagh and according to shannonside radio commentary said Longford was lucky the margin was just 7 points. FT Fermanagh 0-15 Longford 0-8
I have a funny feeling Donnelly will prove to be a good manager for Fermanagh. Pressure on Longford already.
Very good win from Fermanagh that. Longford were going well pre season.
Cavan missing some important players tomorrow not as confident looking at our line up. Really lacking scoring forwards big time as it is, and Lynch , McKiernan and James Smith out injured it seems
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2023, 03:39:52 PM
Longford unable to build on their pre-season success. Good win for Fermanagh and according to shannonside radio commentary said Longford was lucky the margin was just 7 points. FT Fermanagh 0-15 Longford 0-8
Yeah. It was a mixture of Fermanagh good/Longford bad. And yes, Fermanagh shud have won by more.
Onwards to Westmeath next week in Longford.
A marquee win for Fermanagh. They might be dark horses. Longford disappointing but it's still January
Quote from: full moon on January 28, 2023, 05:07:13 PM
Cavan missing some important players tomorrow not as confident looking at our line up. Really lacking scoring forwards big time as it is, and Lynch , McKiernan and James Smith out injured it seems
Lynch named on the bench. I'd also expect changes on that team named. Always a risk of an injury, or someone passing a fitness test in between teams handed in on Wednesday and game on a Sunday
Down well on top of Tipp
Quote from: seafoid on January 28, 2023, 06:30:12 PM
Down well on top of Tipp
1-6 to 0-2 ahead at half time. Tipp two scores came from frees.
FT Down 2-11 Tipperary 1-11
Strong wind at that Tipp game?
Relieved to get the win as it is first league win since 2021.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2023, 07:43:16 PM
Strong wind at that Tipp game?
Down had Niall mcparland sent off at start of second half, made it more nervy than it should have been
Good start for Down. Looked to be well in control until Niall McParland sent off. Did well to hold on. First game away to Tipp always going to be a tricky affair.
Good win for Fermanagh.
We were very good in the first half.
Dropped abit in the second .
Should have won by more.
Quigley just such a class act.
I see Jimmy is now in with Down.
Quote from: downtothecore on January 28, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
Relieved to get the win as it is first league win since 2021.
First league or championship since May 2021 I think. #Jaysus
Dissapointing results for both Westmeath and Longford. You would imagine both of those teams will improve as the league goes on. Offaly have Fermanagh, Cavan and Down at home. Down are the exact opposite being away to Fermanagh, Cavan and Offaly. Hard to say how this league will go!
Cavan were comfortable today for the 60 minutes of the 70 but in those 10 minutes we let Westmeath back into a game they had no business to be still involved in. That said they were composed enough to pull away again. McVetty a class act, like he was never away and Ciaran Brady back at his best. Westmeath looked clueless until they got the goal which gave them an injection of confidence. Great 2 pts for Cavan on the road.
Good win for Cavan missing a lot of starting players. Never panicked when Westmeath somehow found themselves within a point.
Great win for Cavan. WH would have been seen as one of the big dogs so it's a big boost especially with a good few players to come back.
Early days yet and doubt anyone will finish this league with maximum. After 3 games we'll have a better idea of how things are shaping.
Still the pressure is on a few teams already. You feel Antrim will struggle and with WH and Longford to play next week, someone is probably gonna be zero from 2.
Good opportunity too for either Offaly or Fermanagh to get in the early running.
Down v Antrim
Cavan v Tipperary
Offaly v Fermanagh
Longford v Westmeath
Good win for Cavan, which i was a bit surprised at. Bit of revenge in mid for July I think, but played well with a more inexperienced team and despite a 10 minute spell mid 2nd half, saw this game off and start the campaign off in good style. Ciaran Brady and McVeety were unreal at half back and seem a level above here. Westmeath played oddly, only bringing some lads on who were named to start, and if they thought they'd get with it. Was too little too late by then. Maybe that's the manager learning.
Cavan to get stronger though with lads returning over next few weeks, but it'll be good to see battle for places which is what is needed. Tipp at home up next, and they've came away from Breffni a few times with wins recently. I think we're in a better place though, as we've strengthened in places, while they've lost a lot. And did I hear Conor Sweeney may be out with a bad knee injury? Tough for them if so, they might struggle for scores. Cavan should be winning this one and setting themselves up nicely.
Quote from: FermGael on January 28, 2023, 11:20:05 PM
I see Jimmy is now in with Down.
Not according to Irish news today.. He took a training session, but not part of backroom team according to Laverty
Offaly were glad to collect the points against Antrim. Antrim had the wind and had cut Offaly's 8 point lead to 3 points when Offaly clinched it with a late goal.
Offaly have lost several players this year is that true?
The centre back from last year retired Johnny Maloney. he was captain. Niall McNamee gone too.
Down would be more of threat then Offaly for promotion.
Offaly have good forwards but weak in defence. Westmeath put up a big score on them in Tailtean Cup semi
Disappointing start for Longford. Need to get a win against Westmeath.
I hear Connor Sweeney is gone for season with cruciate. Huge blow for the player and Tipp.
Quote from: Itchy on February 01, 2023, 07:03:51 PM
I hear Connor Sweeney is gone for season with cruciate. Huge blow for the player and Tipp.
Huge blow to Tipperary chances in the league and championship
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41062241.html
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 01, 2023, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 01, 2023, 07:03:51 PM
I hear Connor Sweeney is gone for season with cruciate. Huge blow for the player and Tipp.
Huge blow to Tipperary changes in the league and championship
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41062241.html
Yeah word was he got a bad injury. That's terrible for him, he's a classy player. It's a tough road back, and even the first year after it can take a while to get up to speed. With injury and lads away, that's a lot of that 2020 team missing. Cavan still have a lot, so could be the difference in Sunday
Longford will probably be missing the O'Byrne Cup captain for Sunday.
Barry O'Farrell's Dad died on Tuesday.
RIP
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 02, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
Longford will probably be missing the O'Byrne Cup captain for Sunday.
Barry O'Farrell's Dad died on Tuesday.
RIP
RIP
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
Routine win for Down.... Antrim beat Down last year in Newry. We one our first league game last week since june 2021 so we dont do routine wins.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
No No and Thrice No. We are not the Slashers.
Fermanagh will beat Offaly I think. Other than that I agree with the calls.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
What's the main reason for backing Offaly to go up? They have a good manager in Kearns and won the All Ireland U20 title 2 years ago but they have lost some experienced players since last year. Niall McNamee and their captain Johnny Maloney.
They don't have any standout backs.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 03, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
No No and Thrice No. We are not the Slashers.
Fermanagh will beat Offaly I think. Other than that I agree with the calls.
Longford are not the slashers but will they be able to turn on the afterburners on Sunday or will it be nul points again and a spin in the relegation vortex ?
Quote from: downtothecore on February 03, 2023, 01:15:31 PM
Routine win for Down.... Antrim beat Down last year in Newry. We one our first league game last week since june 2021 so we dont do routine wins.
Antrim seem to be particularly poor this year, Down will have to beat themselves to lose that one
Quote from: rodney trotter on February 03, 2023, 01:59:54 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
What's the main reason for backing Offaly to go up? They have a good manager in Kearns and won the All Ireland U20 title 2 years ago but they have lost some experienced players since last year. Niall McNamee and their captain Johnny Maloney.
They don't have any standout backs.
Yeah basically it, I thinks Kearns is an excellent appointment plus they have generally been a steady D3 team of late with some D2 experience. I think they lacked in physicality last year but the extra year might help. Game against Fermanagh will be tough and an indication if they are ready to step up or need a year or two.
Interesting game that one. There's something about Donnelly that I think will make a good manager. I wouldn't be surprised if Fermanagh win that one.
The rest look clear cut enough bar the midlands derby. At the minute I'd have Longford / Antrim as the weaker teams though but derbies can do strange things.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Down v Antrim: Hard to argue with routine win for Down
Cavan v Tipp: While Cavan have yet to fire upfront, should still have plenty for a Tipp team without their star player.
Longford v WMeath: Early days yet but huge pressure on both teams in this local derby after a very bad showing in R1. I'm finding it hard to call. Draw.
Offaly v Fermanagh: I've called out Offaly from the start to go well this year so I'll stick with them but this will be a huge test of their credentials. Fermanagh very impressive first day out. Always defensively tough and scored well against the tipped Slashers. Great opportunity for either team to top the table and for the gambler the Ernemen offer value. Draw at 15/2 also chancy in accumulator.
If you are looking a bit of value on the Down game, PP have Down @ 4/6 to score the 1st goal. Scored 2 v Tipp and hit the crossbar last week.
The Tipp v Cavan game will be interesting from a Down point of view. Tipp were very poor in the 1st half last week, but improved significantly in the 2nd half.
Cavan with home advantage would be expected to win, if they blow Tipp away you would expect them to be favourites to go up. If Tipp play like they did in the 2nd half last week they could make things awkward for Cavan.
Quote from: ardtole on February 03, 2023, 08:12:57 PM
The Tipp v Cavan game will be interesting from a Down point of view. Tipp were very poor in the 1st half last week, but improved significantly in the 2nd half.
Cavan with home advantage would be expected to win, if they blow Tipp away you would expect them to be favourites to go up. If Tipp play like they did in the 2nd half last week they could make things awkward for Cavan.
Cavan 1/5 with Paddy Power, crazy price.
PP have the handicap in the Cavan game at 5 points. Seems huge.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 01:11:09 PM
Onto the games this weekend, some of the games look pretty clear cut going by the bookies.
Down massive favourites v Antrim 1/8
Cavan strong favourites v Tipp 1/5
WMeath away to Longford 4/7
Offaly home to Fermanagh 4/7
Hard to see any real value in those odds. You've a feeling of a draw there in somewhere either offaly/fermanagh or westmeath/longford. 15/2
Can also see Cavan beating that handicap.
Down are only getting back to slightly better times so not getting carried away.
Antrim giving Down a far tighter encounter than predicted. Antrim lead 2-08 Down 1-09. Half time
Antrim still 3 ahead, it would be some shock to this division if they could hold on.
Important win for Down when for long stages it looked like a shock Antrim win. 2-18 to 2-17 result.
The bubble has quickly burst for much heralded new beginning in Down.
Ah ffs.
Down got a lucky goal and win by a point.
I think you'd really have to question the hype about Down, 2-17 conceded at home to Antrim.
A wins a win.
Down will be happy to have 4 points and a week off to sort a few things out
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 07:49:25 PM
I think you'd really have to question the hype about Down, 2-17 conceded at home to Antrim.
I lol look at it the other way around.
Find me the last time that Down conceded 2.17 (or even close to it) and won the game.
You'll be a long time looking.
Down aren't back. But by f**k we're better.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2023, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 07:49:25 PM
I think you'd really have to question the hype about Down, 2-17 conceded at home to Antrim.
I lol look at it the other way around.
Find me the last time that Down conceded 2.17 (or even close to it) and won the game.
You'll be a long time looking.
Down aren't back. But by f**k we're better.
+1. Looked like no way back with Antrim 4 points up. Scoring threats, particularly goals from Down again. Moving in right direction, though long long way to go.
Really enjoyable game, big enough crowd and very exciting end. Unfortunately Barry O Hagan had to be stretched off, looked a serious injury. Big miss for Down.
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2023, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 07:49:25 PM
I think you'd really have to question the hype about Down, 2-17 conceded at home to Antrim.
I lol look at it the other way around.
Find me the last time that Down conceded 2.17 (or even close to it) and won the game.
You'll be a long time looking.
Down aren't back. But by f**k we're better.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think Antrim are pretty much a Div4 team and I (and bookies) expect them to be back there at end of the league. You say Down are better? Last yr they won no game last year but that was in Div2. You got the 2 points but I'd question how you are "better"
Time will tell whether I've got Antrim wrong, maybe they are better than I'm giving them credit for.
A real steal from Down at the death, good to get the win and make it two wins from two but that was a real wake up call about how far the squad still have to go. Antrim will be kicking themselves
Antrim were good tonight. I think they only had 2 wides all night. I could see them staying up
Antrim were excellent tonight. Down done well to get the win. We didnt win a game for 18months so there should no hype.Down will know after tonight they have to try to add to their squad if they are to progress
Down did well to win that. Never looked likely in 2nd half. Gave away 2 very soft goals in 1st half. Antrim were better infront of goals everything went over nearly. Hope they stay up. Big crowd in Newry. We all know Down gave a way to go but no one left Newry not entertained. Away to Fermanagh next. That will not be an easy task.
It was definitely entertaining, I can't understand how people were leaving when there was only 3 points in it. Murdock in midfield I thought was very good, took his scores well.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 04, 2023, 08:10:42 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 07:49:25 PM
I think you'd really have to question the hype about Down, 2-17 conceded at home to Antrim.
I lol look at it the other way around.
Find me the last time that Down conceded 2.17 (or even close to it) and won the game.
You'll be a long time looking.
Down aren't back. But by f**k we're better.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think Antrim are pretty much a Div4 team and I (and bookies) expect them to be back there at end of the league. You say Down ate better? Well yrs they won no game last year but that was in Div2. You got the 2 points but I'd question how you are "better"
Time will tell whether I've got Antrim wrong, maybe they are better than I'm giving them credit for.
I don't think Down won any competitive games at all last year mcKenna cup, league or championship. I dont think they won any friendly matches either but i'm open to correction.
The way they were playing they could well have been demoted from division 3 if they had of been in it.
Consistency can be an issue this time of year, training workloads trying to get squads up to speed can effect match day performances, with big variations in the levels from week to week. Doubt anyone will finish with maximum points and literally anyone can beat anyone. Winning is all that counts so from that perspective Down should be very happy with the 2 points. Plus it should stop them (or the bookies more to the point) getting carried away.
Interesting to see if games go to form tomorrow. 5 wins could be enough in this division, there's probably been occasions when 4 wins got you up to D2. So a great chance for 2 more teams to join Down on stealing a march on the rest.
Antrim though, look in a bit of bother and have probably blown any promotion chance. If it wasn't already, avoiding the drop will now be the focus. Either Longford or WMeath will likely be in the same boat tomorrow evening.
Quote from: ardtole on February 04, 2023, 10:09:57 PM
It was definitely entertaining, I can't understand how people were leaving when there was only 3 points in it. Murdock in midfield I thought was very good, took his scores well.
I was the far end of the stand with 3 kids so when Antrim went 4 up we made a move to the corner of the pitch. We were level by time we got there.
Rarely leave early but do make my way sometimes to avoid the mad rush out the one exit. Never thought div 3 would be easy. Can't go by what happened in McKenna cup
Heartbreaking not to get a point at least from that. We lost our Captain, Vice captain, midfielder and CHF at different stages and that lost bit of leadership cost us in the last five or ten minutes when the game was in the balance.
We (Antrim) missed three glorious goal chances last week against Offaly which cost us there, so while 0 from 2 is our return I feel we are can pick up points before the league is over, but it could take two wins at least to have any chance of survival.
Away to Tipp next, that's a huge one for us.
Fermanagh 1-1 Offaly 1-1 at half time. Some scoring :o
Antrim are a good team. They have a really good goalkeeper as good as I have seen.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 05, 2023, 02:56:46 PM
Fermanagh 1-1 Offaly 1-1 at half time. Some scoring :o
Westmeath lead by 1 and Cavan 6 up.
Westmeath now well on top and cruising lead by 7, amazing how quickly a game can change. Cavan still up by 5, with Fermanagh and Offaly level on 5 apiece.
Big wins for Westmeath and Cavan while Offaly beat Fermanagh by a point. Bottom end interesting. Top end Cavan likely too strong and I would expect Westmeath too.
Mortified.
Jesus what happened in the 2nd half of Westmeath and Longford??
I was there and I cannot fathom it.....saw that happen once before to us. Leinster semi final
V Dubs in 1985. We made Westmeath look like Kerry.
Westmeath are handy.
After a dodgy start, a Dara McVetty inspired Cavan tore Tipp apart to win out by 12 points. McVetty was simply sensational and we've got some new forwards, Ryan O Neill and Oisin Brady especially, who are playing with a lot of confidence. Great to see Paddy Lynch with a bit more game time and 2 weeks now for gearoid McKiernan and James Smith to get closer to fitness. Cavan humming along nicely.
I will never endure a worse 38 minutes of "football" than what I witnessed today.
4 scores . 1-1 to 1-1 at half time .
Will somebody think of the children .
Awful stuff.
Second half was a bit better but it couldn't have been much more.
Offaly won it with a point in the last kick of the game .
But Jesus that was a hard watch
Cavan will be very happy going into break, same as Down and Offaly.
Still all to play for but Antrim, Longford and Tipp have a lot to ponder.
The latter two especially haven't shown much yet.
You get the feeling the two teams winning by big margins today will top the table. Antrim definitely don't deserve to have no points. The visit to Thurles is a huge game for them next day. I'm not sure whats happening to Longford at the minute. They are away to Cavan next day so it aint getting any easier for them.
Offaly , Fermanagh and Down probably at a similar level to each other. I expect another close game against Fermanagh for Down the next day, though Down are scoring heavily and have found goals easier to get.
Offaly have to face Westmeath in Mullingar the next day. Hard to call that one.
Quote from: FermGael on February 05, 2023, 04:45:26 PM
I will never endure a worse 38 minutes of "football" than what I witnessed today.
4 scores . 1-1 to 1-1 at half time .
Will somebody think of the children .
Awful stuff.
Second half was a bit better but it couldn't have been much more.
Offaly won it with a point in the last kick of the game .
But Jesus that was a hard watch
How was it so bad? I thought there was something wrong with Score Beo app when I was following!
Really disappointing to be 1 up with 5 to go and get nothing out of it. How did we get on overall and who done well for us?
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We're lucky to be only bottom ::)
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 06, 2023, 10:25:24 AM
We're lucky to be only bottom ::)
😂 What a difference a few weeks makes. I imagine it'll be a fired up Longford coming to Breffni in 2 weeks
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 06, 2023, 10:25:24 AM
We're lucky to be only bottom ::)
It's a long way to Tipperary
I think Saturday evening was a wake up call for a lot of Down supporters, including myself. On reflection our poor 2nd half performance v Tipp came when McPartland was sent off, and on Saturday evening Laverty reshuffled the defence a bit and left McPartland on the bench. He was introduced before ht shortly after Antrims 2nd goal. I think Laverty will have learnt a lot from this game. Barry O'Hagan going off was a huge loss and no word as of yet how serious his injury is.
Antrim were definitely better than many had given credit and their goalkeeper, chf and ff in particular stood out. They play Tipp next and I'd fancy them to sneak it despite the game being in Thurles.
Cavan I'd assume are favourites for promotion and on paper their next game v Longford, in Breffini is the easiest to call. Still it's a local Derby but it would be a shock if Cavan didn't collect 2 points.
Down away to Fermanagh is a tough game for us. At half time v offaly the score was 1-01 -1-01, so I'm assuming Fermanagh set up very defensive. Odhran Murdocks ability to kick scores from distance could be key to us sneaking 2 points. We hopefully can create enough scoring opportunities early on so Fermanagh are chasing Down rather than them defending a lead.
Westmeath v Offaly is another derby game and very hard to call. I haven't seen either of these teams yet either. 50/50 game.
Looks like Fermanagh v Down will be switched to Ederney.
Brewster still not available.
Quote from: FermGael on February 07, 2023, 11:41:31 AM
Looks like Fermanagh v Down will be switched to Ederney.
Brewster still not available.
Still likely to be 1pm?
Odds for weekend, home draw away.
Tipp v Antrim 11/10 13/2 EVS
Fermanagh v Down 6/4 13/2 8/11
Cavan v Longford 1/8 14/1 11/2
WMeath V Offaly 8/13 13/2 7/4
Very difficult games to call this weekend. Plus with coming back from break, you often see a big change in form. Cavan Longford maybe the most clear cut, bookies seem to think so anyway, but it's a derby and Longford are desperate. Offaly possibly the best value at 7/4.
Tipp v Antrim : I'm going to go with Antrim on the road here. Haven't performed too badly so far plus Tipp missing talisman. Won't be much in it either way.
Fermanagh v Down : Very tight call. Going with Down because they're general favourite but not convinced. I actually like the odds on Ernemen.
Cavan v Longford : Have to go with Cavan here. Form points only one way. Longford need the points badly but 4 times out of 5 it's Cavan with a few to spare.
WMeath v Offaly : Interesting clash. Westmeath will be eyeing promotion and destroyed Longford last day out. Offaly steady so far and promotion too a realistic target. Young team who were bullied and maybe noses rubbed in it a bit when these two last met in TC. Could use that as extra motivation. Expect feisty midlands derby and going with Offaly because I like odds and have bigged them up from the start.
Good win for Antrim against Tipp 1-19 to 0-14
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 18, 2023, 08:43:53 PM
Good win for Antrim against Tipp 1-19 to 0-14
Super win for Antrim and vitally important to stay up. I was really impressed with them against Down the last day and they were unlucky not to win. Tipp look set for the drop.
Hope to see a good crowd in Breffni today.
A shock is on the cards - I can feel it in me waters. Longford 11/2 for the win so I am off to put a few bob on us.
Or else I am beginning to get trouble 'down below' :-\
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 19, 2023, 10:08:22 AM
Hope to see a good crowd in Breffni today.
A shock is on the cards - I can feel it in me waters. Longford 11/2 for the win so I am off to put a few bob on us.
Or else I am beginning to get trouble 'down below' :-\
There was a decent crowd at the Tipp game and no one from Tipp was there so if ye bring a few it might be a good atmosphere
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 19, 2023, 10:08:22 AM
Hope to see a good crowd in Breffni today.
A shock is on the cards - I can feel it in me waters. Longford 11/2 for the win so I am off to put a few bob on us.
Or else I am beginning to get trouble 'down below' :-\
There was a decent crowd at the Tipp game and no one from Tipp was there so if ye bring a few it might be a good atmosphere
::) !
Quote from: Horse Box on February 19, 2023, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 10:23:44 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 19, 2023, 10:08:22 AM
Hope to see a good crowd in Breffni today.
A shock is on the cards - I can feel it in me waters. Longford 11/2 for the win so I am off to put a few bob on us.
Or else I am beginning to get trouble 'down below' :-\
There was a decent crowd at the Tipp game and no one from Tipp was there so if ye bring a few it might be a good atmosphere
::) !
Fair enough, there were about 50 from Tipp, most of them part of the match day squad
Enjoyed that.
Fine 1 point win for Fermanagh.
Goal from Sean to win it after a mistake from the Down keeper.
Fermanagh were the better team.
Opens the division right up that result.
Longford were desperate. They never looked like they believed they could win the game. Everyone behind the ball in the first half with the wind at their backs. It was over after 20 minutes.
Could be a costly game for Cavan though with Oisin Brady carried off and Carolan and McVeety limping off too.
Quote from: Westside on February 19, 2023, 03:58:15 PM
Longford were desperate. They never looked like they believed they could win the game. Everyone behind the ball in the first half with the wind at their backs. It was over after 20 minutes.
Could be a costly game for Cavan though with Oisin Brady carried off and Carolan and McVeety limping off too.
Very poor alright. It was over before half time, and barely a training session for 2nd half. We took a lot of points when goals were on, but was good to see Conor Madden and Lynch show well with points that half though.
Injuries are a concern. Oisin Brady looks to be the worst one. Carolan was moving ok, McVeety was gingerly too, but he was up and walking around after and seemed OK. Hope they're just stingers and are good for next week
Yeah - it was a very poor Longford effort.
Trapdoor looms.
Feck!
Still up in the air ss. Beat tipp and then if our, Antrim, results go against us until the last game then it's down to that game. I'm hopeful we've a few points in us before then but we'll see. At the minute Longford and tipp favourites but good bit to go.
From what i have seen of Tipp and Longford they will be relegated there were better teams in Division 4 last year. Cavan sitting on top with 3 wins having beat those two but everyone else will beat them so the weeks ahead is where it is going to get interesting especially next weekend.
Anyone notice the Fermanagh No. 2 got booked for the Down penalty even though he wasn't near the tackle on Havern.
Ref was having a good look in his book with the umpire before giving the booking .. looked strange
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 20, 2023, 08:40:28 PM
Anyone notice the Fermanagh No. 2 got booked for the Down penalty even though he wasn't near the tackle on Havern.
Ref was having a good look in his book with the umpire before giving the booking .. looked strange
Yes it was a peculiar one. It could have been mistaken identity. It could have been for an off the ball incident previous to that. It could have been for something he said. But he had no part in the penalty that's for sure. He brought Kerr back for a free after his goal shot was saved, yet any contact was minimal. I found the referee a little frustrating in general, some very soft frees at times and yet let the big hit on McEvoy go.
Antrim v Fermanagh 6/4 13/2 8/11
Down v Westmeath 10/11 13/2 6/5
Longford v Tipperary 4/5 13/2 11/8
Offaly v Cavan 9/4 15/2 4/9
While it may not necessarily be make time for some teams this weekend it probably will be break for a few of them. I think if you have 2 losses 4 games in, promotion is a long shot. Anymore and it's a case of consolidating and trying to stay up. Bookies have it tight with Cavan the only real clear favourite.
Going with Fermanagh away from home in this all Ulster clash. Antrim are at home though, have played well so far and really need the win so won't go down without a fight. But Fermanagh to collect just.
There hasn't been a draw yet in this division so Newry may well be the place to break that particular duck. Both teams in the hunt for promotion, very evenly matched but neither without chinks. Impossible to call.
This battle of Pearse Park is an absolute must win for both teams to start the salvage ops for their respective disappointing seasons. Going with a win for the Munster men simply because they were the least worst of the two that visited Breffni. But hardly a ringing endorsement.
Hope the bookies are proved correct in Tullamore this weekend. I think we'll have enough to eventually outmuscle this young Offaly team which will set us up nicely in the table, keeping momentum. There's good potential in our Sunday opponents but hope they save another day to show their promotion credentials, maybe last round.
Fermanagh 1-2 without reply in injury time to beat Antrim. Antrim 3-9 Fermanagh 2-13
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2023, 03:37:57 PM
Fermanagh 1-2 without reply in injury time to beat Antrim. Antrim 3-9 Fermanagh 2-13
Such a collapse by Antrim. They were 8 pts ahead at one stage
Quote from: Itchy on February 25, 2023, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2023, 03:37:57 PM
Fermanagh 1-2 without reply in injury time to beat Antrim. Antrim 3-9 Fermanagh 2-13
Such a collapse by Antrim. They were 8 pts ahead at one stage
Yes 15 minutes into the 2nd half they led by 8. That win moves Fermangh onto 6 points now, worries about relegation switches to hopes on promotion.
Another late goal by Sean Quigley
Again we need to stop giving away terrible goals
Felt we were comfortably the better team but just keep giving away poor poor goals and turnovers.
Have to say was very impressed by McCann at FF for Antrim and Jordan at whb.
Ultan Kelm was the stand out player on the pitch.
His goal for Fermanagh was an incredible hit
Last season Antrim were physically the better team and they were fitter as well. We have closed that gap
2 games in a row when we have had a late goal.
Tipp up next at home.
Comeback win for Down 1-10 to 0-11. Westmeath led that match 9-3
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 25, 2023, 07:43:04 PM
Comeback win for Down 1-10 to 0-11. Westmeath led that match 9-3
Westmeath led 11-5 with 20 minutes left but never scored again. For the first 50 minutes it looked like there was only going to be one winner but Down came storming back to claim vital win
How bad was Longford v Tipp?
Think of the worst game you have ever seen...........and then make it worse.
Tipp were miles better than Longford and were 5 points up with 5 + stoppage to go. In fairness that was 11 in total but Tipp should have been home and hosed at that stage.
33rd min of the second half before Longford registered their first score of the half. Sweet Lord.
Longford are heading south to Div 4 unless there is a miracle. And I don't see a miracle.
Longford and Tipp have obviously went back a bit this year it seems. Longfords O'Byrne cup showings seemed to indicate otherwise!
We were prob lulled into a false sense of our own worth by beating has-been and never-will-bes. For example Longford played more or less top 15 in O'Byrne Cup
Final. Louth only played 2 that started league game following week.
League position rarely lies.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 26, 2023, 07:43:36 PM
We were prob lulled into a false sense of our own worth by beating has-been and never-will-bes. For example Longford played more or less top 15 in O'Byrne Cup
Final. Louth only played 2 that started league game following week.
League position rarely lies.
Sorry there, Sham. If your assertion were true the odds would never change from week to week. Last week Kerry were 4/1. Now 2/1. The past is not prologue. Even for Longford.
Solid win for Cavan today. Tit for tat in 1st but Cavan pulled away with last 4 points of the half. Win easy enough in 2nd despite a terrible call from ref to give Johnny McCabe a black card. Paddy Lynch hit 10 points on his 1st start and good to see James Smith back, but rusty. A win against Down in Breffni should see us promoted.
Interesting table. Looks like promotion is Cavan's to lose at this stage. While not pulling up trees, we're motoring along nicely, our new players are finding their feet well and our injuries are starting to clear up with some having returned to the squad and more to come. We've been wasteful enough at times but from now on, from our point of view we'd hope to see an improvement there as the stakes are raised and intensity of games go up a notch.
Assuming Cavan can secure promotion, the other berth is a hard call with 4 teams in it. Offaly looked a bit light on Sunday but you'd imagine they should win next 2, and if Down lose to us next week, that could leave a Down Offaly showdown in the final round to secure 10 points.
Westmeath are not out of it but I think they have the hardest task of the 4. Antrim is a must win the weekend and while heavily tipped by the bookies I'd have that contest very even. If they do clear that hurdle they have Fermanagh the week after in another possible showdown for both.
Down can lay a big marker this weekend in Breffni and have some players of their own returning. Win and they'll be favourites to go up, but lose and getting to 10 points is not that obvious. Bookies have them 2nd favourite to go up but not sure myself.
While Fermanagh are currently 3rd favourite to go up, I'd fancy them most at this stage. They should be sitting on 8 points come Sunday afternoon and will be praying we beat the Mournemen. Having already beat Down themselves, that would give them a huge advantage in any possible head to head table permutation, and destiny would be firmly in their own hands with Westmeath to visit Enniskillen the week after- a win all but securing promotion.
Tipperary and Longford look favourites for the drop but Antrim, while having played very well so far are in a precarious position. They have a couple of tough games coming up. If they don't go well and either of the bottom 2 can raise their form, they'll be deep in it. And of course there's also the 2 teams on 4 points who still have outside promotion hopes. There's every possibility one or both could be sucked into the relegation mix after round 5.
The Down panel is now littered with all Ireland winning Kilcoo players. Eugene Branigan's joining the panel is a clear sign that the Down squad have the winning mentality. As we know, he wouldn't be there if they didn't. He will join a cohort of U20 Ulster winners too. There's not many ways of making a statement in Division 3 but beating a Cavan side that have been cruising thus far, would be a good start.
Wouldn't have him near it, wouldn't play for Down when they weren't going well. Derry never invited bck the same type of lads with that attitude even though I thought it make us stronger.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 03, 2023, 07:43:50 PM
Wouldn't have him near it, wouldn't play for Down when they weren't going well. Derry never invited bck the same type of lads with that attitude even though I thought it make us stronger.
I'd agree with that. We had our own bighead in Cavan and I thought it was a bad call even to let him into the coaching setup last year. Like who would do what is needed in county football cos Sean Johnston asked you to. He's gone now and Cavan going much better without him. Hope he stays gone this time
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 03, 2023, 07:43:50 PM
Wouldn't have him near it, wouldn't play for Down when they weren't going well. Derry never invited bck the same type of lads with that attitude even though I thought it make us stronger.
I'm looking forward to him showing the rest of Ulster how winning is done. Sunday will be a good place for him to show his worth.
It is good to have him involved. We will need them all against the MIGHTY cavan.
Quote from: downtothecore on March 03, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
It is good to have him involved. We will need them all against the MIGHTY cavan.
How's the Down support travelling? I would expect a big turnout for Cavan on Sunday.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 03, 2023, 07:43:50 PM
Wouldn't have him near it, wouldn't play for Down when they weren't going well. Derry never invited bck the same type of lads with that attitude even though I thought it make us stronger.
What players in Derry have done that? To my recognition all the main players that have been asked up, since the division 4 days, have all agreed and been on the panel
Cavan look to have sealed the win against Down from a goal from a phantom mark
Straightforward enough in the end for Cavan. I would have thought Laverty would show more ambition but he came and put 15 behind the ball from the start.
Down moved the ball very well through the hands in fairness.
Eugene Brannigan had lovely socks on.
Down lads look like they were in the tanning beds.
Quote from: Westside on March 05, 2023, 04:04:27 PM
Straightforward enough in the end for Cavan. I would have thought Laverty would show more ambition but he came and put 15 behind the ball from the start.
Down moved the ball very well through the hands in fairness.
Eugene Brannigan had lovely socks on.
They covered his chicken legs very well
Cavan started off very slow but dominated the second half. The first half was poor quality .Mckiernan first appearance off the year and he got a few good scores near the end. Lynch becoming a marquee forward for Cavan. Took the first goal really well,showed good strength to get past 2 players
Down had bits of good play. the goal was well taken but not enough consistency in their play. They scored 1 -1 in the first few minutes and only 1 point in the remainder of first half
Cavan much the better side. Much more physical and clinical at the death. The ref had an absolute stinker and gifted Cavan a plethora of scores. Cavan goimg to division 2. Definitely the best team in this division but not by as much as i thought. Down are in very early days of rebuilding but in a better place than we were.
How were Cavan gifted scores? I actually felt Down got a fair few soft frees. The ref got the mark call wrong which lead to the Cavan goal. He was fussy and didn't allow the quick free which slowed up Down a few times. He was inconsistent in how he judged the tackle too.
I'd have questions over the temperament of Laverty on the line. The roaring and shouting as the players came off at half time started that incident, a poor decision to raise the stakes playing a more experienced team away from home. There was a lot of feigning injury from Down too, not great to see.
Quote from: Westside on March 05, 2023, 06:09:50 PM
How were Cavan gifted scores? I actually felt Down got a fair few soft frees. The ref got the mark call wrong which lead to the Cavan goal. He was fussy and didn't allow the quick free which slowed up Down a few times. He was inconsistent in how he judged the tackle too.
I'd have questions over the temperament of Laverty on the line. The roaring and shouting as the players came off at half time started that incident, a poor decision to raise the stakes playing a more experienced team away from home. There was a lot of feigning injury from Down too, not great to see.
The Down goalie laying down holding face, then the Down player down injured and he got up and done a sprint the length of pitch. Way too much feigning injury in gaelic now. Down were hard to break down but were never gonna keep up the sprinting back levels second half.
The reality is that Lavery feigned injury a lot as a player so it will probably creep into down's game a lot more.
Big statement by Westmeath today too :(
Longford looked to give Offaly their fill of it.
4-27 was some scoring by Westmeath. McEntee must have been like a bull on the sidelines.
I've always loved the swash buckling Down football and theyre a county with a great tradition of football so it was kind of sad to see how they set up, barely ever kicked a ball and all the feigning of injury. The first half was pure shite, Cavan looked to have no intensity. James Smith came on at HT and from throw in caught the ball, flattened Downs midfielder and stormed forward to set up a point. Cavan intensity went up a notch and Down didn't really have an answer. Indeed when they had to chase the game the fragility of their defence was laid bare. Great to see Gearoid back, what a Mark he made too. He'll be some weapon inside if he gets the service.
Good win against a very poor Tipperary team.
We should have won by more.
Sets it up for the next game against Westmeath.
Winner will probably be promoted .
Relegation will be between Longford, Antrim and Tipp.
We played better yesterday than the previous 3 but still too many defensive mistakes and 16 wides tells the tale.
It may go down to our last game at home v Antrim. Winner stays up.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 06, 2023, 09:07:08 AM
Relegation will be between Longford, Antrim and Tipp.
We played better yesterday than the previous 3 but still too many defensive mistakes and 16 wides tells the tale.
It may go down to our last game at home v Antrim. Winner stays up.
Kildare/Clare is the same. Even if you are shite you may not be relegated.
Even if you are shite you may not be relegated.
LOL - that's for sure.
SS after antrim-westmeath yesterday I wouldn't be so under confident :(
FYI Clare are not shite - half decent team who results just haven't gone for... Kildare for what they should be are very poor.
Quote from: seafoid on March 06, 2023, 10:14:45 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 06, 2023, 09:07:08 AM
Relegation will be between Longford, Antrim and Tipp.
We played better yesterday than the previous 3 but still too many defensive mistakes and 16 wides tells the tale.
It may go down to our last game at home v Antrim. Winner stays up.
Kildare/Clare is the same. Even if you are shite you may not be relegated.
Yep. And they'll get into Sam, likely on a head to head, or your terrible points difference being slightly better than a brutal points difference of the other. Think we've some major issues with this system that needs tweaking
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 05, 2023, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 05, 2023, 06:09:50 PM
How were Cavan gifted scores? I actually felt Down got a fair few soft frees. The ref got the mark call wrong which lead to the Cavan goal. He was fussy and didn't allow the quick free which slowed up Down a few times. He was inconsistent in how he judged the tackle too.
I'd have questions over the temperament of Laverty on the line. The roaring and shouting as the players came off at half time started that incident, a poor decision to raise the stakes playing a more experienced team away from home. There was a lot of feigning injury from Down too, not great to see.
It's a stain on the game at the moment. Down no worse than any other county. Players are now experts at feigning injury and fooling referees.
Am I right in thinking diving or feigning injury is a black card offence?
The Down goalie laying down holding face, then the Down player down injured and he got up and done a sprint the length of pitch. Way too much feigning injury in gaelic now. Down were hard to break down but were never gonna keep up the sprinting back levels second half.
Quote from: ck on March 06, 2023, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 05, 2023, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 05, 2023, 06:09:50 PM
How were Cavan gifted scores? I actually felt Down got a fair few soft frees. The ref got the mark call wrong which lead to the Cavan goal. He was fussy and didn't allow the quick free which slowed up Down a few times. He was inconsistent in how he judged the tackle too.
I'd have questions over the temperament of Laverty on the line. The roaring and shouting as the players came off at half time started that incident, a poor decision to raise the stakes playing a more experienced team away from home. There was a lot of feigning injury from Down too, not great to see.
It's a stain on the game at the moment. Down no worse than any other county. Players are now experts at feigning injury and fooling referees.
Am I right in thinking diving or feigning injury is a black card offence?
No.
For anyone saying Down are no worse than any other county, Cavan have played 8 counties this year and Down were the only team where this was a noticeable feature.
Quote from: Westside on March 06, 2023, 05:41:22 PM
For anyone saying Down are no worse than any other county, Cavan have played 8 counties this year and Down were the only team where this was a noticeable feature.
Nonsense. I guarantee you there will incidents of ' feigning injuries ' in future Cavan fixtures this season, either by your own players or the opposition's. Its a feature (a most depressing one) of modern football.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 06, 2023, 10:44:13 AM
SS after antrim-westmeath yesterday I wouldn't be so under confident :(
FYI Clare are not shite - half decent team who results just haven't gone for... Kildare for what they should be are very poor.
They are scuttery at the very least. They are at a serious disadvantage compared to Kildare and Kildare have been poor.
Quote from: grounded on March 06, 2023, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 06, 2023, 05:41:22 PM
For anyone saying Down are no worse than any other county, Cavan have played 8 counties this year and Down were the only team where this was a noticeable feature.
Nonsense. I guarantee you there will incidents of ' feigning injuries ' in future Cavan fixtures this season, either by your own players or the opposition's. Its a feature (a most depressing one) of modern football.
Of course there will be every county is at in now unfortunately.
Quote from: grounded on March 06, 2023, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 06, 2023, 05:41:22 PM
For anyone saying Down are no worse than any other county, Cavan have played 8 counties this year and Down were the only team where this was a noticeable feature.
Nonsense. I guarantee you there will incidents of ' feigning injuries ' in future Cavan fixtures this season, either by your own players or the opposition's. Its a feature (a most depressing one) of modern football.
What's nonsense? I'm not saying we hadn't seen it before Sunday or that we wouldn't see it again, I'm saying we saw more of it from Down than we did in our previous 7 games combined.
Quote from: Westside on March 07, 2023, 10:52:05 AM
Quote from: grounded on March 06, 2023, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 06, 2023, 05:41:22 PM
For anyone saying Down are no worse than any other county, Cavan have played 8 counties this year and Down were the only team where this was a noticeable feature.
Nonsense. I guarantee you there will incidents of ' feigning injuries ' in future Cavan fixtures this season, either by your own players or the opposition's. Its a feature (a most depressing one) of modern football.
What's nonsense? I'm not saying we hadn't seen it before Sunday or that we wouldn't see it again, I'm saying we saw more of it from Down than we did in our previous 7 games combined.
The current Down manager was one of the worst ever offenders as a player. He helped win Kilcoo an All Ireland by buying a ridiculous free late in the game against Kilmacud last year and he was an expert at grabbing an opponents hand and falling over to win a free kick. It sounds like something that Down have been told to bring into their games by this new management team. The so called Down way has been well and truly abolished.
Who do you guys think will get the second promotion spot ?
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 02:05:55 PM
Who do you guys think will get the second promotion spot ?
I've a feeling Down will sneak it. If they beat Longford and Offaly, and Westmeath and Cavan beat Fermanagh, they'll have Westmeath on head to head. Not too outlandish to happen
It's a funny one this division this year.
Offaly would also need Fermanagh to lose once as well.
The only thing for certain is Cavan are promoted .
They will beat Antrim in a fortnight and then rest their main players for their final group game against their good neighbours Fermanagh
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 07, 2023, 02:05:55 PM
Who do you guys think will get the second promotion spot ?
A tricky one to call. I'd have to put my money on Westmeath as they play Fermanagh the next day with the Ernemen facing Cavan in Breffini on the last day. Its not out of the realms of possibility that either Down or Offaly could also be promoted depending on what way the other results go, given the head to head rule.
_ Promotion odds
Cavan 1\100
Fermanagh 11\8
Westmeath 7\4
Down 10\3
Offaly 6\1
I think if Fermanagh beat Westmeath next match they have it, and they are always difficult to beat in Brewster.
Quote from: full moon on March 07, 2023, 07:55:19 PM
I think if Fermanagh beat Westmeath next match they have it, and they are always difficult to beat in Brewster.
It's not in Brewster I don't think. Westmeath are flaky enough when faced with blanket defence. I'd fancy Fermanagh to grind out a win against them or maybe a draw. Another interesting thing is that if Cavan beat Antrim next, in the last round they'll pretty much be able to select their opponents by either putting out a few fringe players and losing to Fermanagh or going all out to beat them. Whether that's something Mickey graham would do I'm not sure.
Quote from: full moon on March 07, 2023, 07:55:19 PM
I think if Fermanagh beat Westmeath next match they have it, and they are always difficult to beat in Brewster.
Fermanagh have played all their games in Ederney this year as Brewster is having major work done to the pitch.
Match is fixed for 6 p.m.
Ederney does not have floodlights so I assume it's been moved to an earlier time on the Saturday or changed to the Sunday unless Brewster is available .
Not sure
Brewster was in some mess when the Ulster club game was played there against Gowna. It definitely needed work done. Probaly overused with it being shared by Enniskillen Gaels and the Fermanagh County team.
Shared would be the wrong word.
It's owned by the Gaels.
Owned no problem.
Did Fermanagh ever look to develop their own ground? Better to keep a pitch maintained with one team playing on it.
They do now own their own set up in Lissan.
It's between Tempo and Enniskillen.
2 pitches I think .
Big push on at the minute to get it redeveloped but it's more a center of excellence for training and underage.
Quote from: Itchy on March 07, 2023, 09:38:10 PM
Quote from: full moon on March 07, 2023, 07:55:19 PM
I think if Fermanagh beat Westmeath next match they have it, and they are always difficult to beat in Brewster.
It's not in Brewster I don't think. Westmeath are flaky enough when faced with blanket defence. I'd fancy Fermanagh to grind out a win against them or maybe a draw. Another interesting thing is that if Cavan beat Antrim next, in the last round they'll pretty much be able to select their opponents by either putting out a few fringe players and losing to Fermanagh or going all out to beat them. Whether that's something Mickey graham would do I'm not sure.
I can't see Graham doing this. It's an opportunity to play a fellow Ulster team, on a Sunday afternoon, replicating Championship match conditions for a few weeks later. Combine that with bringing back front line players and wanting to get minutes into them, I think he'll go strong.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 07, 2023, 10:26:14 PM
Owned no problem.
Did Fermanagh ever look to develop their own ground? Better to keep a pitch maintained with one team playing on it.
Wouldn't see a big with this. A few county grounds are similar, like Omagh, McHale Park. It can work just fine, and with other county grounds for smaller games (like Ederney) you'll be managing time on it anyway
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 08:08:56 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 07, 2023, 10:26:14 PM
Owned no problem.
Did Fermanagh ever look to develop their own ground? Better to keep a pitch maintained with one team playing on it.
Wouldn't see a big with this. A few county grounds are similar, like Omagh, McHale Park. It can work just fine, and with other county grounds for smaller games (like Ederney) you'll be managing time on it anyway
McHale pitch was relaid and already isssues with it
https://westernpeople.ie/2022/11/29/county-board-unhappy-at-state-of-resurfaced-machale-park/
Any drop of rain up in Omagh and the pitch is flooded.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 08:59:42 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 08:08:56 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 07, 2023, 10:26:14 PM
Owned no problem.
Did Fermanagh ever look to develop their own ground? Better to keep a pitch maintained with one team playing on it.
Wouldn't see a big with this. A few county grounds are similar, like Omagh, McHale Park. It can work just fine, and with other county grounds for smaller games (like Ederney) you'll be managing time on it anyway
McHale pitch was relaid and already isssues with it
https://westernpeople.ie/2022/11/29/county-board-unhappy-at-state-of-resurfaced-machale-park/
Any drop of rain up in Omagh and the pitch is flooded.
All issues that can be sorted. Wouldn't see the need to put up new county grounds when these are more than sufficient with work on them. We already have loads of grounds in the country that are barely half filled a few times a year
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 08:59:42 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 08:08:56 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 07, 2023, 10:26:14 PM
Owned no problem.
Did Fermanagh ever look to develop their own ground? Better to keep a pitch maintained with one team playing on it.
Wouldn't see a big with this. A few county grounds are similar, like Omagh, McHale Park. It can work just fine, and with other county grounds for smaller games (like Ederney) you'll be managing time on it anyway
McHale pitch was relaid and already isssues with it
https://westernpeople.ie/2022/11/29/county-board-unhappy-at-state-of-resurfaced-machale-park/
Any drop of rain up in Omagh and the pitch is flooded.
All issues that can be sorted. Wouldn't see the need to put up new county grounds when these are more than sufficient with work on them. We already have loads of grounds in the country that are barely half filled a few times a year
I wouldn't agree. A country ground should be primarily for a County team. Castlebar Mitchells or Omagh would also have the advantage of playing in the venue regularly compared to the other clubs teams in the.County.
Same way Dublin have an advantage playing League games in Croke Park
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 11:22:42 AM
I wouldn't agree. A country ground should be primarily for a County team. Castlebar Mitchells or Omagh would also have the advantage of playing in the venue regularly compared to the other clubs teams in the.County.
Same way Dublin have an advantage playing League games in Croke Park
I'm really not getting the issue. Do you want these counties to leave established venues, and build new ones, for what? Vibes? Do these counties even need other venues seeing as the ones they have are sufficient? I just don't get the issue if it's a certain players club home too. Seems a pure waste
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 11:22:42 AM
I wouldn't agree. A country ground should be primarily for a County team. Castlebar Mitchells or Omagh would also have the advantage of playing in the venue regularly compared to the other clubs teams in the.County.
Same way Dublin have an advantage playing League games in Croke Park
I'm really not getting the issue. Do you want these counties to leave established venues, and build new ones, for what? Vibes? Do these counties even need other venues seeing as the ones they have are sufficient? I just don't get the issue if it's a certain players club home too. Seems a pure waste
It's just an opinion. So just leave it there Dreagnaught/loughduff lad. You question everything on Hoganstand at the same craic here
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 08, 2023, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 08, 2023, 11:22:42 AM
I wouldn't agree. A country ground should be primarily for a County team. Castlebar Mitchells or Omagh would also have the advantage of playing in the venue regularly compared to the other clubs teams in the.County.
Same way Dublin have an advantage playing League games in Croke Park
I'm really not getting the issue. Do you want these counties to leave established venues, and build new ones, for what? Vibes? Do these counties even need other venues seeing as the ones they have are sufficient? I just don't get the issue if it's a certain players club home too. Seems a pure waste
It's just an opinion. So just leave it there Dreagnaught/loughduff lad. You question everything on Hoganstand at the same craic here
But like I'm not getting what it would achieve? Do we need more county grounds around the country when we have some already?
Aw shucks. I guess a literal message board ain't for questioning or debating things. Who'd a thunk it?
Ye have gone away off topic here anyway lads.
Martin Murphy will take charge of the Offaly senior footballers until the end of the season following the sudden passing of Liam Kearns last Sunday.
The Faithful County's first outing under the Gracefield clubman – who steps up from the role of selector – will be against Tipperary in Round 6 of the Allianz League at FBD Semple Stadium on Saturday at the earlier time of 2pm (it was originally fixed for 6pm). They will be at home to Down the following week and are away to Longford in the first round of the Leinster SFC on April 9.
John Rouse, who was Kearns' other selector, will continue in his role with former Galway All-Ireland U20 winning manager Alan Flynn now doubling up as a coach / selector. Murphy was the obvious choice for the manager's job after leading Portarlington to a three-in-a-row of Laois SFC titles between 2020 and '22. He also previously had a spell as Offaly U21 manager.
Antrim 1-7 Cavan 0-04 at half time.
Quote from: FermGael on March 18, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
Antrim 1-7 Cavan 0-04 at half time.
Dear
Bishop William Bedell,
Eoghan Roe O'Neill
Francis Sheehy Skeffington
Colonel Edward James Saunderson
Marcus Daly
We gave your boys a hell of a first half beating!!!
Quote from: FermGael on March 18, 2023, 02:42:24 PM
Antrim 1-7 Cavan 0-04 at half time.
That would be a huge result for Antrim and would almost guarantee their safety.
10 up
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
10 up
Cavan lads on the radio impressed by Antrim but can't get over how flat Cavan are today.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 18, 2023, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
10 up
Cavan lads on the radio impressed by Antrim but can't get over how flat Cavan are today.
Antrim taking their shots and they are coming off..
Cavan have woken up!! 3 in it
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Quote from: Blowitupref on March 18, 2023, 03:01:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 18, 2023, 03:00:25 PM
10 up
Cavan lads on the radio impressed by Antrim but can't get over how flat Cavan are today.
Antrim taking their shots and they are coming off..
Cavan lads on the radio getting excited now. 1-12 to 1-14 Conor Madden goal followed by a point.
Antrim win . Serious win that and keeps them safe
Didn't see that result coming for Cavan.
Over confident ?
Fermanagh 0-9 to 0-4 up at half time but have had a strong breeze in the first half and have missed 3 clear goal chances .
Offaly beat Tipp.
Massive shock which should guarantee safety for Antrim if Down win tonight. Cavan are a real jekyl and hyde outfit, can compete with the best teams on a given day but are also capable of losing to absolutely anybody.
Quote from: FermGael on March 18, 2023, 03:47:33 PM
Antrim win . Serious win that and keeps them safe
Didn't see that result coming for Cavan.
Over confident ?
Fermanagh 0-9 to 0-4 up at half time but have had a strong breeze in the first half and have missed 3 clear goal chances .
Offaly beat Tipp.
I wasn't at it but we have that sort of shite performance in our locker as we've proven many times. At least they got it back to a small margin, could be critical
Thats a super win for Antrim. In fairness they should have beaten both Down and Fermanagh, they could have just as easily been in the promotion race instead of fearing the drop.
Fermanagh 0-15 Westmeath 2-8. That result means Cavan and Fermanagh are promoted?
If Offaly beat Down and Fermanagh lose to Cavan then Offaly would go up based on head to head I believe
No.
If Cavan beat Fermanagh and Offaly beat Down on their last game then Offaly go up with Cavan . Offaly have Fermanagh on head to head
Fermanagh need a point to be sure.
Cavan are promoted as even if they lose to Fermanagh as they have both Offaly and Down on head to head.
They are the only other 2 teams who can get to 10 points and they play each other in the last game
Down now cannot get up as both Fermanagh and Cavan have them on head to head if they get to 10 points
Fantastic result for us today.
We were by far the better team
We were on complete control until we conceded 2 goals in 60 seconds
We have made real progress .
Sean Quigley only came on for injury time.
Quote from: FermGael on March 18, 2023, 04:56:39 PM
Fantastic result for us today.
We were by far the better team
We were on complete control until we conceded 2 goals in 60 seconds
We have made real progress .
Sean Quigley only came on for injury time.
Donnelly has Fermanagh going well.
Punching well above their weight.
Tipp and Longford relegated
As for Fermanagh punching, I don't think so .
Antrim make it to safety with a game to play. Delighted!
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Bye bye lads.
Hopefully I'll be back :'(
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 18, 2023, 10:40:11 PM
Bye bye lads.
Hopefully I'll be back :'(
Look on the bright side an opportunity to win a league title next year and a trip to Croke Park?
From an Antrims perspective teams coming up won't or shouldn't give us too much hassle ::)
I was in Newry last night. Longford took some magnificent scores. I wish Down had that in their locker. It was a very tough Division. Most teams not that far off eachother bar Cavan. Should be an Interesting Tailteann Cup.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on March 18, 2023, 10:40:11 PM
Bye bye lads.
Hopefully I'll be back :'(
First time since 2015 according to RTE.
Bigi curamach in D4 . They'll tear your insides out.
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 18, 2023, 09:59:39 PM
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Cavan are officially promoted/into the league final.
Has been some journey for Cavan
2016 - Div 2 promoted
2017 - Div 1 relegated
2018 - Div 2 promoted
2019 - Div 1 relegated
2020 - Div 2 relegated
2021 - Div 3 relegated
2022 - Div 4 promoted
2023 - Div 3 promoted
2024 - Div 2. ?? ??
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 18, 2023, 09:59:39 PM
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Cavan are officially promoted/into the league final.
Has been some journey for Cavan
2016 - Div 2 promoted
2017 - Div 1 relegated
2018 - Div 2 promoted
2019 - Div 1 relegated
2020 - Div 2 relegated
2021 - Div 3 relegated
2022 - Div 4 promoted
2023 - Div 3 promoted
2024 - Div 2. ?? ??
Try supporting them, do your head in!
Quote from: Itchy on March 19, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 18, 2023, 09:59:39 PM
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Cavan are officially promoted/into the league final.
Has been some journey for Cavan
2016 - Div 2 promoted
2017 - Div 1 relegated
2018 - Div 2 promoted
2019 - Div 1 relegated
2020 - Div 2 relegated
2021 - Div 3 relegated
2022 - Div 4 promoted
2023 - Div 3 promoted
2024 - Div 2. ?? ??
Try supporting them, do your head in!
Well it's never boring anyway, is it? Gotta say, that 20 and 21 league seasons were a right sickener
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 19, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 19, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 18, 2023, 09:59:39 PM
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Cavan are officially promoted/into the league final.
Has been some journey for Cavan
2016 - Div 2 promoted
2017 - Div 1 relegated
2018 - Div 2 promoted
2019 - Div 1 relegated
2020 - Div 2 relegated
2021 - Div 3 relegated
2022 - Div 4 promoted
2023 - Div 3 promoted
2024 - Div 2. ?? ??
Try supporting them, do your head in!
Well it's never boring anyway, is it? Gotta say, that 20 and 21 league seasons were a right sickener
Winning the Anglo-Celt in 2020 made up for the league performances though. Cavan always a bit of an enigma. I thought after their u21 success through 2010-2014 they would go onto dominate Ulster at senior level, ut wasnt to be the case.
Someday it will click for them though, and they will have a period of sustained dominance at senior level. I dont think they are that far away.
Quote from: grounded on March 20, 2023, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 19, 2023, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 19, 2023, 02:28:53 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2023, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 18, 2023, 09:59:39 PM
So I have it that Cavan are definitely promoted, and one from Fermanagh and Offaly. Down can't be promoted as Fermanagh have them on head to head, only Offaly beating Down and Cavan beating Fermanagh can put Offaly up on head to head. Tipperary and Longford down which is hugely disappointing for both.
Cavan are officially promoted/into the league final.
Has been some journey for Cavan
2016 - Div 2 promoted
2017 - Div 1 relegated
2018 - Div 2 promoted
2019 - Div 1 relegated
2020 - Div 2 relegated
2021 - Div 3 relegated
2022 - Div 4 promoted
2023 - Div 3 promoted
2024 - Div 2. ?? ??
Try supporting them, do your head in!
Well it's never boring anyway, is it? Gotta say, that 20 and 21 league seasons were a right sickener
Winning the Anglo-Celt in 2020 made up for the league performances though. Cavan always a bit of an enigma. I thought after their u21 success through 2010-2014 they would go onto dominate Ulster at senior level, ut wasnt to be the case.
Someday it will click for them though, and they will have a period of sustained dominance at senior level. I dont think they are that far away.
It really did make up for it alright, was just a sickener to go down on 6 points after being in a position to go up or down that last day. 2021 tough too on that short League where a 5th minute injury time score for Fermanagh v Longford meant we went into relegation playoffs and not promotion. The tiniest of margins.
Do think we are close too. A little too much put onto those players from those U21 teams, but think there's a good mixture now to build on what has been done. Being back to Div2 is a start, and can have a rattle at Ulster now.
It's Armagh (or antrim) Cavan play isn't it?
Unfortunately I would expect armagh to beat antrim but tbh I'd be more surprised if Armagh beat Cavan than vice versa.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 20, 2023, 02:44:49 PM
It's Armagh (or antrim) Cavan play isn't it?
Unfortunately I would expect armagh to beat antrim but tbh I'd be more surprised if Armagh beat Cavan than vice versa.
Yep, winner of Armagh and Antrim to play Cavan. If it is Armagh, match will be in Breffni and they'll find it tough there. Despite the gap in League positions, Armagh have not had it easy v Cavan in Championship. I'd always have some confidence at home vs them.
Yeah I think you may beat them though for them it's probably a good thing that they're not looking great in the league as it will ground them. It will be an interesting one assuming it happens.
I'd have preferred to see Armagh go a bit better in Div1 so the hype would blow the heads of them but maybe the way things are happening will suit Armagh. Cavan have an excellent record in recent times in championship against Armagh, I can only recall one defeat, the day when the fight started in the parade!
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0320/1364205-nfl-permutations-plot-lines-aplenty-ahead-of-final-day/
At the top, Cavan are guaranteed to move to Division 2 regardless of what happens at home to Fermanagh.
Even if they lose to the Erne County, they have the head-to-head advantage over whoever wins between Offaly and Down in Tullamore.
Offaly do have something to play for, even if their Mourne opponents do not. Wins for Offaly and Cavan would see Fermanagh dropping out of the promotion spots given that the Faithful County edged Fermanagh by a point early in the season.
Down, however, lost to the Erne County by the minimum and given that they were defeated by Cavan, their promotion hopes are dead in the water. A win may draw them level with the second-placed side, but the head-to-head rule scuttles them.
We went out with a bang.
Longford 3-17
Antrim 3-12
The game was played with a challenge game feel about it.
Bye :'(
Yeoh
Well done Fermanagh. Ulster could be interesting this year.
Good to see you all again 8)
Am I right in thinking that fermanagh can't qualify for the all ireland series if they don't qualify for thr ukster final. Westmeath winning the tailteann plus the connacht draw has scuppered them?
That apl
Quote from: An Watcher on March 27, 2023, 10:17:23 AM
Am I right in thinking that fermanagh can't qualify for the all ireland series if they don't qualify for thr ukster final. Westmeath winning the tailteann plus the connacht draw has scuppered them?
That applies to both Fermanagh and Cavan
Quote from: An Watcher on March 27, 2023, 10:17:23 AM
Am I right in thinking that fermanagh can't qualify for the all ireland series if they don't qualify for thr ukster final. Westmeath winning the tailteann plus the connacht draw has scuppered them?
Yep, only getting to a final now will be enough for any Division 3 or 4 teams, even the 2 promoted teams.
Fermanagh at 2/1 is a good bet for this weekend.
They were by far the better team last week and i doubt if we will get as lucky with goals this week.
I doubt if we will have Gerry Smith, McVitty, Carolan and there is talk of Clarke carrying a knock also. I don't think Graham is to bothered about this game as once promotion was as good as secured he starting tinkering with the team which resulted in performance levels dropping.
I hope i'm wrong a victory in Croke park and a trophy can only be good for a team.
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 31, 2023, 12:24:53 PM
Fermanagh at 2/1 is a good bet for this weekend.
They were by far the better team last week and i doubt if we will get as lucky with goals this week.
I doubt if we will have Gerry Smith, McVitty, Carolan and there is talk of Clarke carrying a knock also. I don't think Graham is to bothered about this game as once promotion was as good as secured he starting tinkering with the team which resulted in performance levels dropping.
I hope i'm wrong a victory in Croke park and a trophy can only be good for a team.
That exactly the sense I'm getting too. Graham wil not want to show Armagh anything and at this point that's all he cares about.
Cavan with the first score in this Div 3 final after 12 minutes.
Jack McKenna subbed off on 18 minutes wasn't happy. Asking Mickey Graham why on the sideline.
Cavan tackling worse than Armagh.
Cool finish by Daragh McGurn on that goal. 30 mins played Cavan 0-4 Fermanagh 1-2. Half time 1-3 to 0-5
Ref keeping Fermanagh in it fair play to him
Quote from: Itchy on April 01, 2023, 07:55:22 PM
Ref keeping Fermanagh in it fair play to him
Was actually thinking the opposite.
Big goal chance not taken by Cavan there, keeper did well. Cavan 0-10 Fermanagh 1-4 51 minutes played.
Game on.
No idea what was wrong with that kick out...
He's getting bit whistle happy now.
Cavan look to have it. Good game to be fair.
When Fermanagh closed it down a bit Cavan just went up and widened the gap. Probably just a bit of a better team.
Fermanagh need to get kelm on the ball more.
It is non stop whistling from the ref.
FT Cavan 0-16 Fermanagh 1-7. Well done Cavan 2nd year in a row they have won a league title in Croke Park.
Well done Cavan. Pulled away in the last 10. Looked good for the victory.
Unlucky Fermanagh, got to feel for them.
Cavan excelled especially the last quarter in an enjoyable contest. Armagh next for the chop at Breffini.
Happy with the win. Turgid 1st half with those tough conditions, but Cavan showed where they're at to snap a number of poor halves and see this off. A strong bench helped, and were fit to string 5 points unanswered twice to win this. Ref was a bit odd on some calls after I watched back. Fermanagh will learn though. First time to Croker in a while, and coming back from the high of last week is always tough. 2nd Division football for both next year will be great. Tough ask next for Fermanagh v Derry (although they'll be soul searching a bit), while Cavan will be looking forward to the winners of Armagh/Antrim. Well done Cavan.
Thought I'll get in early with my predictions for this years Division 3 League.
1. Down
2. Westmeath
3. Sligo
4. Clare
5. Antrim
6. Offaly
7. Wicklow
8. Limerick
Down are away to Westmeath this year, so I'd give them a slight advantage.
I think Antrim will finish higher than 5th also, they were unlucky not to win in Newry last year, and gave Meath a right good game in Croke Park last season in the Tailtain Cup.
That's another tricky away game for Down too.
In fairness Sligo, Clare, Offaly, and Antrim could finish in any order.
Wicklow if they get things right might stay up, but it won't be simple for them
I would predict
1. Antrim
2. Down
3. Westmeath
4. Sligo
5. Clare
6. Offaly
7. Wicklow
8. Limerick
Antrim looked to be heading in the right direction last year, and if they can build a little more on some very good performances I can see them winning the type of games that they narrowly lost last year. Similar thoughts regarding Down, a few late errors cost them wins last year and I'd hope they can make that extra step this year. Westmeath obviously the danger to both of these teams, and with them having the home game against Down, it could be decisive at the end of the league.
Would Clare not be relegation candidates based on their player turnover this season and the last two seasons.
Interesting set of results. Mostly went as expected but I think it was a bit unpredictable what would happen in Antrim limerick and Clare Sligo. It'll be a tight division.
Quote from: manwithnoplan on January 12, 2024, 03:25:06 PMI would predict
1. Antrim
2. Down
3. Westmeath
4. Sligo
5. Clare
6. Offaly
7. Wicklow
8. Limerick
Antrim looked to be heading in the right direction last year, and if they can build a little more on some very good performances I can see them winning the type of games that they narrowly lost last year. Similar thoughts regarding Down, a few late errors cost them wins last year and I'd hope they can make that extra step this year. Westmeath obviously the danger to both of these teams, and with them having the home game against Down, it could be decisive at the end of the league.
So far so good with that league prediction.
Down play Antrim in round 3 in Corrigan Park. Antrim were very unlucky last year in park Esler and should really have won.
Westmeath have a home draw against Down which could prove to be very significant.
Quote from: grounded on February 04, 2024, 08:11:27 PMSo far so good with that league prediction.
Down play Antrim in round 3 in Corrigan Park. Antrim were very unlucky last year in park Esler and should really have won.
Westmeath have a home draw against Down which could prove to be very significant.
Down have progressed a good bit since then. I think they have too much for Antrim. Time will tell I suppose.
Antrim have a pile of injuries too so I think down have too much. Interesting division. Early stages say limerick in bother and possibly Wicklow too but a bit to go yet. Down and maybe Westmeath main ones for promotion. Would like to see another Antrim win to be confident of not being relegated and then anything a bonus from there.
I hope Antrim have a few injuries that clear up and they can push on.
Based on that performance today there was patches of decent football and then backs to the wall clinging on.
Down have a decent team so would go into our game as favourites
As Tommy says win a game and we are safe, bonus territory after that and build towards championship
Clare robbed of a win against Westmeath. Not a great couple weeks for umpires.
https://twitter.com/TomasORuanaidh/status/1754234789501038762?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Gael85 on February 04, 2024, 11:01:15 PMClare robbed of a win against Westmeath. Not a great couple weeks for umpires.
https://twitter.com/TomasORuanaidh/status/1754234789501038762?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Umpire can't call a square ball
Why, if they are the people who see it? Do they just notify the ref?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 05, 2024, 12:22:18 AMWhy, if they are the people who see it? Do they just notify the ref?
They can't officially call a square ball, if the ref makes a call, he can go in and consult the umpires. But they can't, in play, call a square ball.
I assumed most people knew that.
That's something that should have changed with the new rule. If not the umpires, the linesmen or somebody should be charged with looking at square balls.
Referees must be guessing this half the time since the new rule came in.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 05, 2024, 08:26:59 AMThat's something that should have changed with the new rule. If not the umpires, the linesmen or somebody should be charged with looking at square balls.
Referees must be guessing this half the time since the new rule came in.
You'd need to be very careful about allowing umpires to call a square ball.
The ultimate responsibility of the game lies with the referee and you can't be having a rogue umpire making big calls like that over the head of the referee. Yes, maybe referees need to consult more often with the umpires as they see fit, but thats about it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2024, 07:31:18 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 05, 2024, 12:22:18 AMWhy, if they are the people who see it? Do they just notify the ref?
They can't officially call a square ball, if the ref makes a call, he can go in and consult the umpires. But they can't, in play, call a square ball.
I assumed most people knew that.
Another nonsense rule by the gaa. Those officials closest to the play can't make a call.
Quote from: snoopdog on February 05, 2024, 10:02:17 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2024, 07:31:18 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on February 05, 2024, 12:22:18 AMWhy, if they are the people who see it? Do they just notify the ref?
They can't officially call a square ball, if the ref makes a call, he can go in and consult the umpires. But they can't, in play, call a square ball.
I assumed most people knew that.
Another nonsense rule by the gaa. Those officials closest to the play can't make a call.
To be fair, it's not mandatory for umpires to have done a course, I think there is one but not necessarily done.
Square ball is difficult enough to call, you're watching the ball , umpire is watching the flight of it so not really looking at people entering the square
How's a ref seen a square ball 30/40m away?
Antrim v Down, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Limerick v Sligo, Rathkeale, 2pm
Offaly v Clare, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 2pm
Wicklow v Westmeath, Aughrim, 2pm
All div 3 games on today. Big game for us vs Antrim. We stole the same fixture last season so you'd imagine will go right to the wire.
Its hard to see anything but wins for Westmeath and Sligo.
Probably going to go for Offaly win at home.
Anyone want a ticket for the Down antrim game DM me..I bought one but won't be able to make it now..someone might as well get use of it!
Results
Antrim 1-6 Down 1-15
Limerick 0-10 Sligo 1-12
Wicklow 0-10 Westmeath 1-13
Offaly 1-12 Clare 2-10
At Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2024, 04:38:44 PMAt Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
[/quoteQuote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2024, 04:38:44 PMAt Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
Offaly must have imploded. Hard to fathom. Great confidence boost for Clare though.
Quote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2024, 04:38:44 PMAt Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
Mad way to lose a match.
Quote from: grounded on February 18, 2024, 05:08:05 PMQuote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2024, 04:38:44 PMAt Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
[/quoteQuote from: Gael85 on February 18, 2024, 04:38:44 PMAt Clare and Offaly game. Offaly went up by 10 points around 50 minute mark. Clare went two up. Offaly got penalty and balloon over the bar with last kick of the game.
Offaly must have imploded. Hard to fathom. Great confidence boost for Clare though.
Completely cleaned out on kickouts in last 20 minutes. Was down at OBC match between Dublin and Offaly and simailar pattern with fading out of game. I thought goalie was poor that day.
Clare he happy with win after Westmeath defeat. Have lost a lot of experienced lads. Young Brian Mc in midfield was central to the comeback.
Given the provincial championship draw and current league standings, there is the potential for the winner of division 3 qualifying for Sam.
Good chance Clare will meet Kerry in Munster final and qualify automatically.
Its harder to see either Down, Sligo or Westmeath reach their respective provincial finals even though they are on the weaker sides of their provincial draws.
Next week:
Down v Offaly
Clare v Wicklow
Sligo v Antrim
Westmeath v Limerick
Offaly made some balls of that match. Nine points up and then missing the penalty with the last kick to win it.
Very important win for Down. Had the potential of a banana skin for us there.
Clare and Westmeath should both win tomorrow easily.
Sligo vs Antrim harder call.
Another 2 points tonight. The performance was good, not brilliant but Down were the better team and result is what counts. Nobody was outstanding but Pat havern was probably the most consistent performer tonight. They will not be happy and the amount conceded which would be costly in a higher division.
Offaly are a lot better team than their league position suggests , going on what I saw of them last night. The No 5 was immense I think he was the standout player on that u20 winning team. Is there many of that winning U20 team in senior now.
Next Week in Div 3:
Limerick v Clare
Antrim v Westmeath
Down v Sligo
Offaly v Wicklow
Good win for us - have a feeling our last game v Westmeath will determine who goes up with Down..
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 27, 2024, 04:50:59 PMGood win for us - have a feeling our last game v Westmeath will determine who goes up with Down..
Would this week's match v Down not be a decider more so than the Westmeath game?
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 27, 2024, 04:56:27 PMQuote from: sligoman2 on February 27, 2024, 04:50:59 PMGood win for us - have a feeling our last game v Westmeath will determine who goes up with Down..
Would this week's match v Down not be a decider more so than the Westmeath game?
True but what I meant was if Dow beat both us and Westmeath then our bead to head might decide who goes up. Can't rule out Clare either. Down with a tough closing schedule with Sligo, Westmeath and Clare left.
The division is playing out much as people expected with Down and Westmeath setting the pace. Down play Westmeath next which gives Clare the chance to join one of them on 10 points.
Down easily disposed of Sligo yesterday and won pulling up, thought Sligo would have offered more. Going on the performances I've seen against Down, Offaly actually looked a better team than Sligo though the league table doesn't reflect that.
Depends what way you look at it Sheedy. Sligo beat us (Antrim) handily, but we were very competitive against both Offaly and Westmeath!
Quote from: bannside on March 04, 2024, 05:36:40 PMDepends what way you look at it Sheedy. Sligo beat us (Antrim) handily, but we were very competitive against both Offaly and Westmeath!
yeah probably shows the inconsistencies in a lot of the teams. Was surprised Sligo put up such a big score against Antrim, then they were poor against Down.
From a Down point of view it's vital for the team to get promoted this year, playing well so far and beating teams comfortably but it's not job done yet.
Quote from: sligoman2 on February 27, 2024, 04:50:59 PMGood win for us - have a feeling our last game v Westmeath will determine who goes up with Down..
12 pts will be needed for promotion. High likelihood Sligo dont get past 6pts
Hope ye have the welcome mat out for Kildare!
Marty Clarke coming back to Down? What age is he?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 05, 2024, 04:10:51 PMMarty Clarke coming back to Down? What age is he?
36 and looking to make a comeback as a sweeper keeper.
Results
Sligo 0-13 Offaly 1-10
Wicklow 0-9 Limerick 0-8 (Limerick relegated with that defeat)
Clare 0-15 Antrim 0-12
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2024, 06:32:06 PMResults
Sligo 0-13 Offaly 1-10
Wicklow 0-9 Limerick 0-8 (Limerick relegated with that defeat)
Clare 0-15 Antrim 0-12
Offaly are at home to limerick next day so you'd imagine they should be safe.
The more interesting fixture is Antrim's home game against Wicklow. A (unlikely) loss for Antrim would see them relegated but you never know.
Someone put out the Fáilte mat for the Flourbags?
Potential for Down Clare and Westmeath to all finish on 12 points. Massive game in Mullingar. Travelling in hope. Westmeath were very competitive in Sam last summer. Another year in Div 3 would be a killer for Down. As it would for both Westmeath and Clare.
Bar the 2 teams ( Armagh and Donegal) that are likely to go up, I don't think the other div 2 teams are much better than Down, Westmeath and Clare.
Whoever goes up this year would be fairly confident of consolidating in div 2 next year, or prehaps be in the mix up for promotion, if they get 4 home games.
Yeah Westmeath a good team who were a kick of a ball from beating us and Tyrone last year in the group games. Down are improving and Clare were a solid division 2 team for a good few years and were unlucky to go down last year.
Expected more from Down theyve been poor in this game.
Decision making has been shocking at times
Down were poor today. Afraid to take a shot. Westmeath scored some lovely points in the second half.
Clare in with a great chance next Sunday I a winner takes all. Westmeath away to sligo who have only.pride to play for.
Credit to Clare to be even in the race for promotion with such a big player turnover and losing a very good long term manager.
Thought the ref bottled out of giving a free in to Down to win it at the end. Great game though.
Down still look a distinctly average side. Alright running up big scores against mediocre opposition, expected a lot more from them.
Its div 3. All teams are distinctly average some more so than others as shown by the league table positions.
Just checking in ahead of next year - hello from Kildare!
I'll be keeping an eye on things a bit more. I am worried that wheels that have come off, could stay off and we throw out the babby with the bath water and ditch all the experienced lads and end up with our U20s and a few more who could get a land.
At least we will have a new stadium for all our guests!
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 17, 2024, 08:35:41 PMCredit to Clare to be even in the race for promotion with such a big player turnover and losing a very good long term manager.
Massive credit to their players and management for being in contention and they got screwed by ref in Westmeath game which could have had them in driving seat for promotion.
They'll most likely be in a Munster final also as they'll surely beat Tipp/Waterford, so they've a lot of big games ahead. They are picking off a very small pool so they are a great bunch to be fair to them. That being said they'll be a bit out of their depth currently in Sam Maguire.
Down faltered a bit during this league on occasion, was hoping they'd really push on and be good contenders in Ulster. Might still do, we'll see.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 18, 2024, 11:15:19 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 17, 2024, 08:35:41 PMCredit to Clare to be even in the race for promotion with such a big player turnover and losing a very good long term manager.
Massive credit to their players and management for being in contention and they got screwed by ref in Westmeath game which could have had them in driving seat for promotion.
They'll most likely be in a Munster final also as they'll surely beat Tipp/Waterford, so they've a lot of big games ahead. They are picking off a very small pool so they are a great bunch to be fair to them. That being said they'll be a bit out of their depth currently in Sam Maguire.
Down faltered a bit during this league on occasion, was hoping they'd really push on and be good contenders in Ulster. Might still do, we'll see.
Down won't contend in Ulster thus year. Been playing at too low a level for too long. If we get past Antrim we meet Armagh most likely again. They've been playing at a higher level for a while. Down need to get out of div 3 and into the Sam maguire. Another year in 3 and the teilteann will be a disaster.
Derry played 2 years in Division 3, actually Down beating them in Newry one night keep them there. But they improved vastly there after.
So looking at things as they stand, it seems unlikely that the division 3 winner will qualify for Sam automatically.
Clare on current form look likely to qualify as a provincial finalist.
If Louth stay up in div 2 and qualify for the Leinster final that would (i think) allow the division 3 winner to qualify for Sam automatically.
Of course there is a possibility of Westmeath or Kildare getting to Leinster final and therefore qualifying for Sam automatically.
Westmeath and Down for the league final next week. Can't see Clare getting near Down. Will need to beat Tipperary in Munster semi final to compete in AI.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 24, 2024, 01:05:52 PMWestmeath and Down for the league final next week. Can't see Clare getting near Down. Will need to beat Tipperary in Munster semi final to compete in AI.
Fair chance of that. Whereas Down will have to beat Antrim and (hopefully) us to get to their provincial final.
Just want to get out of div 3 at this stage. Will worry about Sam maguire series later.
Down will be waiting in the long grass in Ulster. Unbeaten in a highly competitive Div 3, statement win against a decent Clare team and the best score difference across all four divisions. Massive incentive to make an Ulster final to qualify for the AI series.
The supposed easy side of the draw in Ulster will be anything but!
Quote from: APM on March 24, 2024, 03:50:04 PMDown will be waiting in the long grass in Ulster. Unbeaten in a highly competitive Div 3, statement win against a decent Clare team and the best score difference across all four divisions. Massive incentive to make an Ulster final to qualify for the AI series.
The supposed easy side of the draw in Ulster will be anything but!
No easy games in Ulster but Jesus if we aren't beating that Down team we're wasting our time.
Quote from: APM on March 24, 2024, 03:50:04 PMDown will be waiting in the long grass in Ulster. Unbeaten in a highly competitive Div 3, statement win against a decent Clare team and the best score difference across all four divisions. Massive incentive to make an Ulster final to qualify for the AI series.
The supposed easy side of the draw in Ulster will be anything but!
Highly competitive it most definitely wasn't. Clare lost their manager and a whole host of players before the beginning of the season. It would have been more surprising had Down not got out of division 3. I still think there is a big gap from there to division 2 and Down will will need to consolidate there for a couple of years. Laverty has done a decent job so far but they were starting from a low base.
The only relevant form guide between the 2 sides is last years Ulster championship match and the gulf was very evident that day. Down have improved since then but I doubt very much if they can bridge that gap within the space of 12 months.
Who all missing for Clare anyway, the 2 good lads, in the full forward line still playing? Keelan Sexton?
Armagh would be a couple of years ahead of Down. Down won't beat Arnagh if they meet in Ulster. In saying that, there isn't really any fear for Down ahead of next year's div 2.
Down beat Donegal in the Ulster championship last year who got promoted from div 2 this year. They also beat Cavan in Breffini Park in the Tailtain cup last season.
Down won't fear any team next year in Div 2, particularly in Newry, even the 2 teams coming down from div 1 I'd expect Down to put it up to them at a minimum.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 06:13:23 PMQuote from: APM on March 24, 2024, 03:50:04 PMDown will be waiting in the long grass in Ulster. Unbeaten in a highly competitive Div 3, statement win against a decent Clare team and the best score difference across all four divisions. Massive incentive to make an Ulster final to qualify for the AI series.
The supposed easy side of the draw in Ulster will be anything but!
No easy games in Ulster but Jesus if we aren't beating that Down team we're wasting our time.
Interesting viewpoint from Armagh side of the Fence..... off course we are on track to clash in ulster semi final.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 24, 2024, 07:01:08 PMWho all missing for Clare anyway, the 2 good lads, in the full forward line still playing? Keelan Sexton?
Clare lost Pearse Lillis, Cian O'Dea, Ciaran Russell, Gavin Cooney, Darren O'Neil, Eoin Cleary, Keelan Sexton, Cathal O'Connor, Jamie Malone and Podge Collins from last year team. Cillian Brenna, Darragh Bohannon and Brendy Rouine missed league with injury.
The wrongly disallowed goal against Westmeath proved costly.
Did I see a Down player waving an imaginary card when the penalty was awarded?
Quote from: downtothecore on March 24, 2024, 09:25:41 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 24, 2024, 06:13:23 PMQuote from: APM on March 24, 2024, 03:50:04 PMDown will be waiting in the long grass in Ulster. Unbeaten in a highly competitive Div 3, statement win against a decent Clare team and the best score difference across all four divisions. Massive incentive to make an Ulster final to qualify for the AI series.
The supposed easy side of the draw in Ulster will be anything but!
No easy games in Ulster but Jesus if we aren't beating that Down team we're wasting our time.
Interesting viewpoint from Armagh side of the Fence..... off course we are on track to clash in ulster semi final.
Only going off what I say last year in Clones, Down looked miles off it. Presume they've improved thisbyesr though.
Of course they've improved. I know your opinion of them isn't based on last year alone, but they are on an upward trajectory and with Laverty into his second year there is more to come. There is no big fuss about them either so they are nicely positioned. They have been quite commanding in getting out of Division 3 and I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the mix for promotion next year - they would easily be a match for any of the Division 2 teams that weren't promoted. Armagh would be a step up for them if they both make the Ulster Semi (which they should), but Down will have revenge on their minds + the extra motivation to stay in the Sam Maguire. Write them off at your peril!
Quote from: APM on March 25, 2024, 05:51:52 PMOf course they've improved. I know your opinion of them isn't based on last year alone, but they are on an upward trajectory and with Laverty into his second year there is more to come. There is no big fuss about them either so they are nicely positioned. They have been quite commanding in getting out of Division 3 and I wouldn't be surprised if they were in the mix for promotion next year - they would easily be a match for any of the Division 2 teams that weren't promoted. Armagh would be a step up for them if they both make the Ulster Semi (which they should), but Down will have revenge on their minds + the extra motivation to stay in the Sam Maguire. Write them off at your peril!
Yeah was surprised at how poor they were last year- some very good players and Laverty is a shrewd manager. Expecting a tougher game this year if we do meet
They're definitely not far off Cork/Meath/Cavan/Louth so could go well next year as well in division 2.
a very late throw in time for final
Quote from: Eire90 on March 26, 2024, 04:32:56 AMa very late throw in time for final
Also looking at Ticketmaster it seems they are only opening the Lower Hogan. I was at the Tailteann Cup final last year where they did the same and the level of overcrowding was extremely uncomfortable, almost worse than an AI final. Ridiculous that in a stadium that size they can't open up at least the Davin as well to give people a bit of room to sit in.
Is it giving wet in Dublin on Sat and Sun?
Quote from: Dayman on March 28, 2024, 01:01:05 PMQuote from: Eire90 on March 26, 2024, 04:32:56 AMa very late throw in time for final
Also looking at Ticketmaster it seems they are only opening the Lower Hogan. I was at the Tailteann Cup final last year where they did the same and the level of overcrowding was extremely uncomfortable, almost worse than an AI final. Ridiculous that in a stadium that size they can't open up at least the Davin as well to give people a bit of room to sit in.
Could ye not just move anyway?
Its not just about moving seat. They don't open the majority of the facilities with the result that the queues for toilets and kiosks got totally overcrowded. Last year at Down v Cavan it was a dangerous cattle crush on the hogan stand concourse with everyone trying to get to the 1 or 2 bathrooms. Little they care. GAA - where we all belong.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on March 28, 2024, 03:46:02 PMIts not just about moving seat. They don't open the majority of the facilities with the result that the queues for toilets and kiosks got totally overcrowded. Last year at Down v Cavan it was a dangerous cattle crush on the hogan stand concourse with everyone trying to get to the 1 or 2 bathrooms. Little they care. GAA - where we all belong.
Was there not a problem with the toilets at the semi final v Laois? I remember there was a few problems that day. Meath and Antrim headed out as Down and Laois came in caused a jam.
Quote from: clonian on March 28, 2024, 04:41:34 PMQuote from: Aristo 60 on March 28, 2024, 03:46:02 PMIts not just about moving seat. They don't open the majority of the facilities with the result that the queues for toilets and kiosks got totally overcrowded. Last year at Down v Cavan it was a dangerous cattle crush on the hogan stand concourse with everyone trying to get to the 1 or 2 bathrooms. Little they care. GAA - where we all belong.
Was there not a problem with the toilets at the semi final v Laois? I remember there was a few problems that day. Meath and Antrim headed out as Down and Laois came in caused a jam.
Yes you are correct - in my old age I must have been confusing the blue and white strips! It was the Laois game.
Down's second point followed two bounces 😮
That free? Worse miss I've seen at that level
Low quality game this, some horrible misses by both sides.
Half time Down 0-8 Westmeath 1-4
Why Down not in red, Do both teams have to wear away colours?
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2024, 07:54:05 PMHalf time Down 0-8 Westmeath 1-4
No changes 50 minutes?
All of the Leitrim and laois supporters have gone home.
Some Spin for Leitrim if they stayed any later.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 30, 2024, 08:10:19 PMAll of the Leitrim and laois supporters have gone home.
Look at the time and not a child in the house washed
By the time they get back to Mohill the clocks will have gone forward
What age is John Heslin, he not a starter for Westmeath any more,?
Westmeath tackling is brutal, conceding scoreable free kicks is killing them.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 08:14:03 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on March 30, 2024, 08:10:19 PMAll of the Leitrim and laois supporters have gone home.
Look at the time and not a child in the house washed
By the time they get back to Mohill the clocks will have gone forward
Must be a lot of dirty children in Leitrim?
I think heslin has been injured. He's been about a while now- be surprised if he's not round the 30 mark.
Down lucky they playing Antrim in the first round.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 08:09:20 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 30, 2024, 07:54:05 PMHalf time Down 0-8 Westmeath 1-4
No changes 50 minutes?
Not much change. Down 0-9 Westmeath 1-6 after 50 minutes.
They're getting better though. Sadly I think they will be a bit much for Antrim. Should be winning by a bit but just not getting the scores.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 30, 2024, 08:26:38 PMThey're getting better though. Sadly I think they will be a bit much for Antrim. Should be winning by a bit but just not getting the scores.
On this performance I'm not sure. Very small players and a team full of ball carriers but not much scoring threat up front. Most of their scores have been free kicks.
I think Antrim will have a punchers chance.
There's wides, then there that last Westmeath shot on goal, Brutal.
A goal for Westmeath. 60 minutes played Down 0-11 Westmeath 2-7.
Sam McCartan very prominent for Westmeath in last 10 minutes.
Both sides guilty of some very poor finishing. A lot at stake now for both sides.
Murdock a good player, after that the jury is open.
Down have only themselves to blame if they lose this.
Jesus I've never seen as poor decision making up front as they've shown, they'll be very disappointed with that performance.
Does winner of this get seeded higher than loser or is that already decided by league placings?
Quote from: Itchy on March 30, 2024, 08:40:47 PMDoes winner of this get seeded higher than loser or is that already decided by league placings?
Winner plays Sam loser not
Higher
Does Down have to beat Armagh (straight face) now if they lose?
McCartan has been excellent this second half.
Absolutely criminal shooting by Down. Very disappointing.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2024, 08:42:34 PMDoes Down have to beat Armagh (straight face) now if they lose?
Yep
Thought everybody kept saying league finals don't matter lol .
Quote from: screenexile on March 30, 2024, 08:39:18 PMDown have only themselves to blame if they lose this.
Jesus I've never seen as poor decision making up front as they've shown, they'll be very disappointed with that performance.
They lost the Tailteann final last year.
Is shocking how far Down football has fallen...
Full time Westmeath 2-10 Down 0-13. First Division three league title for Westmeath since 2019.
Somebody on here a few pages back say Down fit for most of the teams in Division 2 outside the top 3,?
Great 2nd half from Westmeath, well done to them. I think they fully deserved that win.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2024, 08:52:20 PMSomebody on here a few pages back say Down fit for most of the teams in Division 2 outside the top 3,?
Might have been me and would stand over it...... and Westmeath proved last year in the Championship round robin that they were competitive with Division 1 teams
Either Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
So Joanne was talking shite? Makes sense lol
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
Westmeath are on the same side of the draw as Louth, are they not? So they could just beat Louth and qualify for the Provincial final themselves. Louth v Westmeath would be competitive.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 30, 2024, 09:48:12 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
Westmeath are on the same side of the draw as Louth, are they not? So they could just beat Louth and qualify for the Provincial final themselves. Louth v Westmeath would be competitive.
In that case you may be right. I thought Westmeath were poor tonight though and I'd fancy Louth to beat them and make the Leinster final since they look to have a bit more quality in attack.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
There are 14 teams ahead of them from the league (D1 plus the top 6 in d2)
Munster, Leinster and Ulster could all have a D3 team in the final.
We don't know yet.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 30, 2024, 09:48:12 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Quote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 10:05:48 PMQuote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2024, 09:33:33 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on March 30, 2024, 09:26:04 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 30, 2024, 09:21:30 PMEither Down are more focused on ULster now or they haven't made much progress since last year. Westmeath have no guarantee of Sam Maguire participation AFAIK. It's contingent.
Said on radio earlier that this secures playing in Sam
For Westmeath to qualify for AI series they will need Louth to get to the Leinster final.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
There are 14 teams ahead of them from the league (D1 plus the top 6 in d2)
Munster, Leinster and Ulster could all have a D3 team in the final.
We don't know yet.
Down would need to improve on tonight's performance, I think.
Down will play Tailteann Cup unless they get to the Ulster final. So they could well have another chance at lifting silverware in Croke Park before the season is over.
Westmeath are on the same side of the draw as Louth, are they not? So they could just beat Louth and qualify for the Provincial final themselves. Louth v Westmeath would be competitive.
If Westmeath reach a game with Louth then they will have beaten Kildare. I would still expect Louth to win, but as Leinster championship games go it would be competitive. So if Westmeath beat Kildare then they either get into Sam as finalists or get in because Louth are finalists. Kildare would need to shape up, but they might.
G, Down not get remotely close to Armagh. Armagh a big heavy team, Down alot of fine smaller footballers but lack the required size in at least 6 key positions.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2024, 10:28:20 PMG, Down not get remotely close to Armagh. Armagh a big heavy team, Down alot of fine smaller footballers but lack the required size in at least 6 key positions.
If they can get them to penalties they have a chance
do you think league finals should be outside croke park it look very empty last night did throw in time play a part.
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1774224025390129253
Down have got promotion from Div. 3 to Div. 2 next year. A decent league campaign, the league final apart.
That's progress. They can now built on that.
Step by step each year. People have to realise that this is Down's current level. Against better opposition next year, they should improve further.
Ironically, in a strange way, the league is more important than the championship if building a panel to play at a higher level.
They have a young panel. They had to start from scratch. If they learn from these defeats they will make a lot of progress.
Down came out of nowhere in 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAXYoJf6Xo
The semi final was the first time a team from either Ulster or Connacht beat a team from the other 2 in a generation.
When they have a good team they can go all the way. They have the best record in all Ireland finals with an 84% success rate.
Just seen Dessie Dolans interview. No beers on the bus home. Is he taking the piss? Whats the point playing if you cant celebrate winning something?
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2024, 11:29:23 AMThey have a young panel. They had to start from scratch. If they learn from these defeats they will make a lot of progress.
Down came out of nowhere in 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAXYoJf6Xo
The semi final was the first time a team from either Ulster or Connacht beat a team from the other 2 in a generation.
When they have a good team they can go all the way. They have the best record in all Ireland finals with an 84% success rate.
Down played in the national league final in 1990. Coming out of nowhere is a big if a stretch.
Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2024, 11:29:23 AMThey have a young panel. They had to start from scratch. If they learn from these defeats they will make a lot of progress.
Down came out of nowhere in 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAXYoJf6Xo
The semi final was the first time a team from either Ulster or Connacht beat a team from the other 2 in a generation.
When they have a good team they can go all the way. They have the best record in all Ireland finals with an 84% success rate.
Down played in the national league final in 1990. Coming out of nowhere is a bit of a stretch.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2024, 04:40:08 PMJust seen Dessie Dolans interview. No beers on the bus home. Is he taking the piss? Whats the point playing if you cant celebrate winning something?
Against the law to drink on a bus?
Quote from: thewobbler on March 31, 2024, 04:43:39 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 31, 2024, 11:29:23 AMThey have a young panel. They had to start from scratch. If they learn from these defeats they will make a lot of progress.
Down came out of nowhere in 1991.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udAXYoJf6Xo
The semi final was the first time a team from either Ulster or Connacht beat a team from the other 2 in a generation.
When they have a good team they can go all the way. They have the best record in all Ireland finals with an 84% success rate.
Down played in the national league final in 1990. Coming out of nowhere is a bit of a stretch.
None of the Connacht or Ulster teams that played in the National League Final from the early 70s to that day won an all Ireland semi final against a Munster or Leinster team. That match was seismic.
Let's see if the RTÉ discussion of the Div 3 final accurately discusses participation in Sam.
It was very clear. Down need to beat Armagh to compete in Sam this year...
Quote from: downtothecore on March 31, 2024, 10:46:04 PMIt was very clear. Down need to beat Armagh to compete in Sam this year...
need to beat Antrim first
Yes Beat Antrim first off course and that wont be easy but they should do it if they approach it right.
Quote from: downtothecore on March 31, 2024, 10:46:04 PMIt was very clear. Down need to beat Armagh to compete in Sam this year...
I think that Dessie Dolan will be cheering for the Orange men.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2024, 11:34:37 PMQuote from: downtothecore on March 31, 2024, 10:46:04 PMIt was very clear. Down need to beat Armagh to compete in Sam this year...
I think that Dessie Dolan will be cheering for the Orange men.
In the extremely unlikely event Down qualify for Ulster final, Westmeath would drop out of Sam, unless they can beat both Wicklow, Kildare and Louth(most likely) and qualify for Leinster final themselves. In that case Louth drop out of Sam.
Kildare must get to Leinster final in order to qualify for Sam in which case Westmeath drop out of Sam.
If Down and Kildare can somehow reach provincial final both Westmeath and Louth drop out of Sam.
As long as Down or Kildare or Sligo don't reach their privincial finals Westmeath qualify.
If Sligo, Down and Kildare can reach their provincial finals then Westmeath, Louth and Cork drop out of Sam. Meath stay as Tailteann Cup winners.
If Sligo, Down, Kildare and Cork qualify for provincial finals then westmeath, louth and Cavan drop out unless Cavan reach Ulster final in which case Monaghan drop out.
Not to upset my fellow Ulster Gaels, if Fermanagh or Antrim qualify for Ulster final same outcome as if Down were to qualify.
Is that all clear....
Quote from: grounded on April 01, 2024, 11:48:00 AMQuote from: armaghniac on March 31, 2024, 11:34:37 PMQuote from: downtothecore on March 31, 2024, 10:46:04 PMIt was very clear. Down need to beat Armagh to compete in Sam this year...
I think that Dessie Dolan will be cheering for the Orange men.
In the extremely unlikely event Down qualify for Ulster final, Westmeath would drop out of Sam, unless they can beat both Wicklow, Kildare and Louth(most likely) and qualify for Leinster final themselves. In that case Louth drop out of Sam.
Kildare must get to Leinster final in order to qualify for Sam in which case Westmeath drop out of Sam.
If Down and Kildare can somehow reach provincial final both Westmeath and Louth drop out of Sam.
As long as Down or Kildare or Sligo don't reach their privincial finals Westmeath qualify.
If Sligo, Down and Kildare can reach their provincial finals then Westmeath, Louth and Cork drop out of Sam. Meath stay as Tailteann Cup winners.
If Sligo, Down, Kildare and Cork qualify for provincial finals then westmeath, louth and Cavan drop out unless Cavan reach Ulster final in which case Monaghan drop out.
Not to upset my fellow Ulster Gaels, if Fermanagh or Antrim qualify for Ulster final same outcome as if Down were to qualify.
Is that all clear....
My head is spinning
i would say its unlikely down get to final but not extremely unlikely
Quote from: Eire90 on April 01, 2024, 01:21:34 PMi would say its unlikely down get to final but not extremely unlikely
Add in to the mix the health of the Armagh team and the drying weather around the county...it's anyone's guess.