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Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldn't make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the "Premier League" is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

It's not really the same thing. Until 1991, all 92 clubs had equal voting rights and in effect a group of the weakest clubs could dictate terms to the largest clubs.

What the PL did was maintain almost identical structures to before, but while ensuring that the biggest clubs could pursue financial arrangements that would allow them to match Italian clubs.

The change was oddly enough an implementation of equality: basically "we all started with an equal chance of getting ahead, but that doesn't mean we have to be equal in all things forever"

As Leicester and Man City have shown, progress through the ranks has always been possible

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What we are facing now isn't the same thing. It's an attempted corporate takeover of football.

This is no different to the formation of the premier league, it is the same thing.
You confirm that the formation of the premier league put power into the bigger clubs hands, this is exactly the same with the ESL. So it was anything but equality.
City progressed through oil money, Leicester did it more in the proper way, by buying and selling smartly.
My point is that the people who are outraged are the same people who only recognise football post 1992. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Nonsense. The EPL replaced the first division with the full agreement of the clubs and association.

And what.
There is still a rebranding of football going on here, which is what has happened before, from the first division and the old European cup format. You're probably one of the ones who claim Liverpool "only have 1 premier league".
The fake hysteria is rife here.

Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldn't make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the "Premier League" is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

It's not really the same thing. Until 1991, all 92 clubs had equal voting rights and in effect a group of the weakest clubs could dictate terms to the largest clubs.

What the PL did was maintain almost identical structures to before, but while ensuring that the biggest clubs could pursue financial arrangements that would allow them to match Italian clubs.

The change was oddly enough an implementation of equality: basically "we all started with an equal chance of getting ahead, but that doesn't mean we have to be equal in all things forever"

As Leicester and Man City have shown, progress through the ranks has always been possible

——

What we are facing now isn't the same thing. It's an attempted corporate takeover of football.

This is no different to the formation of the premier league, it is the same thing.
You confirm that the formation of the premier league put power into the bigger clubs hands, this is exactly the same with the ESL. So it was anything but equality.
City progressed through oil money, Leicester did it more in the proper way, by buying and selling smartly.
My point is that the people who are outraged are the same people who only recognise football post 1992. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I thought premiership money filtered down through to championship clubs so it's not the thing at all.

In terms of competition it's different, in terms of rebranding a competition to make more money out of football as we saw in 1992, it's the same.

So if it's  the same will the new Euro league put 400 mil into the EFL I don't think so, for what it's worth the smaller clubs I think should get more bit to suggest it's the same is wrong.

It's not about money to smaller clubs
They're rebranding a new competition to make more money out of football, which is exactly what we saw in 1992.

Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldn't make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the "Premier League" is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

It's not really the same thing. Until 1991, all 92 clubs had equal voting rights and in effect a group of the weakest clubs could dictate terms to the largest clubs.

What the PL did was maintain almost identical structures to before, but while ensuring that the biggest clubs could pursue financial arrangements that would allow them to match Italian clubs.

The change was oddly enough an implementation of equality: basically "we all started with an equal chance of getting ahead, but that doesn't mean we have to be equal in all things forever"

As Leicester and Man City have shown, progress through the ranks has always been possible

——

What we are facing now isn't the same thing. It's an attempted corporate takeover of football.

This is no different to the formation of the premier league, it is the same thing.
You confirm that the formation of the premier league put power into the bigger clubs hands, this is exactly the same with the ESL. So it was anything but equality.
City progressed through oil money, Leicester did it more in the proper way, by buying and selling smartly.
My point is that the people who are outraged are the same people who only recognise football post 1992. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I thought premiership money filtered down through to championship clubs so it's not the thing at all.

In terms of competition it's different, in terms of rebranding a competition to make more money out of football as we saw in 1992, it's the same.

[but they once were.]

It would be as successful as Italy entrance into the 6 nations in rugby.

Italy can't buy players.

If this did get off the ground - the "founding members" would have the pick of the world's best players between them.

Founding members can't get relegated either, so a couple of years at the bottom wouldn't be the end of the world.

It would be a complete and utter gamechanger. But a long way off!

They might ask Linfield then....

😂 I'll take the bait MR, and I'm not even a Celtic fanatic.
Nobody's pretending Celtic and Rangers are top European performers , but they once were. Even now , They are the 9th and 22nd best supported clubs in Europe respectively. The fact that they have very little competition in Scotland , and massive financial discrepancy between EPL and SPL has stifled their progress recently. An injection of cash and more competitive games would build on the very secure base of their tradition and massive support . On purely business perspective , I doubt this super league will be treating Celtic with the derision you do MR. Celtic for example , are better supported than fellow European champions , Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea. It would be guaranteed full houses for all games in Glasgow and the marketing potential of one of sports most famous rivalries would be massive attraction as part of this business model.

1. No they weren't. Celtic have one European trophy, and rangers have 1 cup winners cup, which isn't the full European cup. So not the records of two European top performers.
2. This isn't true either, I found the link, you're basing this off attendances which is skewed in favour of clubs with the biggest stadiums. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8l1laj/the_50_most_supported_clubs_in_europe_this_season/
Celtic do not have more fans than Liverpool or Chelsea.

Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldn't make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the "Premier League" is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

It's not really the same thing. Until 1991, all 92 clubs had equal voting rights and in effect a group of the weakest clubs could dictate terms to the largest clubs.

What the PL did was maintain almost identical structures to before, but while ensuring that the biggest clubs could pursue financial arrangements that would allow them to match Italian clubs.

The change was oddly enough an implementation of equality: basically "we all started with an equal chance of getting ahead, but that doesn't mean we have to be equal in all things forever"

As Leicester and Man City have shown, progress through the ranks has always been possible

——

What we are facing now isn't the same thing. It's an attempted corporate takeover of football.

This is no different to the formation of the premier league, it is the same thing.
You confirm that the formation of the premier league put power into the bigger clubs hands, this is exactly the same with the ESL. So it was anything but equality.
City progressed through oil money, Leicester did it more in the proper way, by buying and selling smartly.
My point is that the people who are outraged are the same people who only recognise football post 1992. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Have to laugh at the fake hysteria. The same people making excuses for the premier league being the exact same thing as it was pre 1992 but only being rebranded, are the same people that claim Liverpool have only won the league once.
You couldn't make it up. Hypocrites. According to them, the "Premier League" is fine, but a big no no to the European super league.
The games gone

But you said they didn't want to win.

I did, if they wanted to win they'd put out their best team.

Lol. Moronic comment.
Sure to hell with every other player outside their "supposed" first 11.
City should play the whole season and take part in 4 competitions with 11 players, that's more than enough.

The league is won, so your comment about the 'whole' season is daft , rest players or change your squad for the reaming league games, but the cup competitions at the latter stages you play your best team. He didn't, his gamble didn't pay off and they lost.

Spurs will be hoping they play the same team next week. I've a mate who's a life long City supporter, grew up in view of Main rd. he's raging Pep don't put out his best team.

Yea that's all well and good, and I'll probably agree that they didn't need to make as many changes, but to suggest they actually don't want to win because they didn't play their supposed best 11 (if they have one) is just nonsense.

But you said they didn't want to win.

I did, if they wanted to win they'd put out their best team.

Lol. Moronic comment.
Sure to hell with every other player outside their "supposed" first 11.
City should play the whole season and take part in 4 competitions with 11 players, that's more than enough.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Oh god are you one of those scouse fans that think theres a big conspiracy against Liverpool? Christ.

"Conspiracy" no. Bias yes.
That is why if we get top 4 it will be an amazing result, given the VAR and injury circumstances.

only club to be hard done by by var and only club to suffer from injuries. Nobody suffers more 🙄

This year more so than anyone else yes, on both aspects.

After a few years of being unbelievably lucky with injuries- every team suffers them, City have been without KDB for long spells, United have missed Pogba and Rasford.

We haven't been "unbelievably lucky" with injuries.
Even when we romped the league by 20 odd points we had our fair share too, more than others.

It's funny though, city lose Laporte and apparently it's the reason why we walk the league by 20 odd points, but we lose half our team and it's an embarrassment of a title defence.
The agenda and hypocrisy of rival fans know no bounds.

So it's not the injuries?

So a fluke season last year wining by so many?

It is the injuries, and VAR.
This season is the fluke season, only if VAR doesn't shaft us as much next season though.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Oh god are you one of those scouse fans that think theres a big conspiracy against Liverpool? Christ.

"Conspiracy" no. Bias yes.
That is why if we get top 4 it will be an amazing result, given the VAR and injury circumstances.

only club to be hard done by by var and only club to suffer from injuries. Nobody suffers more 🙄

This year more so than anyone else yes, on both aspects.

After a few years of being unbelievably lucky with injuries- every team suffers them, City have been without KDB for long spells, United have missed Pogba and Rasford.

We haven't been "unbelievably lucky" with injuries.
Even when we romped the league by 20 odd points we had our fair share too, more than others.

It's funny though, city lose Laporte and apparently it's the reason why we walk the league by 20 odd points, but we lose half our team and it's an embarrassment of a title defence.
The agenda and hypocrisy of rival fans know no bounds.

We all know the real reason is the 3 year cycle of the PED's anyway Look at Dortmund.

What are you on about

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Oh god are you one of those scouse fans that think theres a big conspiracy against Liverpool? Christ.

"Conspiracy" no. Bias yes.
That is why if we get top 4 it will be an amazing result, given the VAR and injury circumstances.

only club to be hard done by by var and only club to suffer from injuries. Nobody suffers more 🙄

This year more so than anyone else yes, on both aspects.

After a few years of being unbelievably lucky with injuries- every team suffers them, City have been without KDB for long spells, United have missed Pogba and Rasford.

We haven't been "unbelievably lucky" with injuries.
Even when we romped the league by 20 odd points we had our fair share too, more than others.

It's funny though, city lose Laporte and apparently it's the reason why we walk the league by 20 odd points, but we lose half our team and it's an embarrassment of a title defence.
The agenda and hypocrisy of rival fans know no bounds.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Oh god are you one of those scouse fans that think theres a big conspiracy against Liverpool? Christ.

"Conspiracy" no. Bias yes.
That is why if we get top 4 it will be an amazing result, given the VAR and injury circumstances.

only club to be hard done by by var and only club to suffer from injuries. Nobody suffers more 🙄

This year more so than anyone else yes, on both aspects.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Oh god are you one of those scouse fans that think theres a big conspiracy against Liverpool? Christ.

"Conspiracy" no. Bias yes.
That is why if we get top 4 it will be an amazing result, given the VAR and injury circumstances.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Where did he say that?

Nevertheless, Liverpool have absolutely been on the end of some ludicrous VAR calls this year.

They're joint top, along with WBA, for net decisions against, so far this year. Some of those were obviously correct, but some of them were a joke.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

Exactly. That doesn't suit the manc's agenda though.

Take your chances and you're through quite handily tonight. Lost the tie in the first leg.
Gives us now a free run at the league games.
Top 4 considering the injury and VAR circumstances throughout the season would be a great result and best possible outcome.

VAR? Christ.

Yes.

Oh yeah I forgot VAR is only used in Liverpool games and specifically to f**k over Liverpool.

Got the second part right.