Should the gaa allow the Liam Miller testimonial in Pairc hi Caoimh - poll

Started by sligoman2, July 24, 2018, 12:59:52 PM

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Should the gaa allow the Liam Millar testimonial to be played in PUC

Yes
126 (70.4%)
No
37 (20.7%)
Not sure
16 (8.9%)

Total Members Voted: 179

Voting closed: July 31, 2018, 12:59:52 PM

TheClubman

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

trailer

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

thewobbler

I know there are a few definitions of prejudice Syferus, but I'm not guilty of any of them here.

Try prudence instead.

Syferus

Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

These are seriously embarrassing posts. I really worry about where the heads of a very vocal minority of this board's posters are at on a plethora of issues where right-minded people are in complete agreement on.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

Initially, then the EU got involved.

A quick look at the Tallaght Stadium website, soccer, rugby, rugby league, Gaelic football, hurling, American football, archery and community games. Not following you here.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.

But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics  could do with 30m...

trailer

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.

But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics  could do with 30m...

Boxing? Sure isn't it run by drug gangs now? They've enough money Paul. Write an article on that.
The GAA changes lives everyday. They make great use of the funding they receive and raise as well. Change takes time. The GAA will get there.

thewobbler

I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.

sligoman2

Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2018, 10:39:03 PM
Quote from: TheClubman on July 24, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

Was the famous 30M not in relation to the Rugby World Cup that Dick Spring and the IRFU botched?

How's the multi sports usage of Tallaght Stadium going these days Paul? Or the Aviva for that matter?

These are seriously embarrassing posts. I really worry about where the heads of a very vocal minority of this board's posters are at on a plethora of issues where right-minded people are in complete agreement on.

Oh boy syferus, it's hard to resist but I will just this time..😂😂😂😂😂😂
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not too sure.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:54:32 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:04:01 PM
There is an unnecessary shit stirring show surrounding this one imho.

Of course it can be done. But that doesn't mean it should be done.

The GAA has no policies/rates/procedures for renting out any ground other than Croke Park, let alone for hiring out to a committee who've little or no experience in running such an event.

And being blunt about it, a rate card needs devised and made very clear to all comers, before any event is mooted for hosting.

The public shouldn't decide whether it's the GAA's role to get involved. The break even point should decide.

For if not, then where do we draw the line on who gets use of our stadia? If Ronan O'Gara wanted to hold a testimonial match in PuC, do we just say "ah f**k yeah Ronan, not a bother, sure we all love you in Cork"? Or do we get to the reality of the situation, that building, maintaining and insuring large stadia costs a fuckload of cash, and if you want it, you need to pay your share.
Thats fine until the GAA accept 30m with a very clear string attached explicitly for this scenario.

30m is loose change considering what the GAA does up and down the country. You seem to overlook that every time you stick the knife in.

Who is putting the knife in?

30m is still huge and would be a gamechanger to other sports, who also do great work. Ingratutude is the wrong approach imo. Especially considering this exact scenario was clearly flagged.

I haven't seen you post on anything else but this Liam Miller topic. The GAA do trojan work across Ireland and further a field. The Gob should be giving them 300m every year never mind 30m.
You're using this old tactic of they got money so now they must do x,y,z. The GAA should tell Gov what they won't do if they don't get the money. See the face on people then.
Get over it, they do unreal work and all you're doing is hammering them on this.

Im hammering a stone age attitude that is harming the GAA. The world has changed, rule 42 has had its day and funding conditions have changed.

But there is a viciousness here that other sports also dont do good and dont deserve funding. Other sports have a gripe with how much the GAA get, for right or wrong. Imagine what boxing or athletics  could do with 30m...

Boxing? Sure isn't it run by drug gangs now? They've enough money Paul. Write an article on that.
The GAA changes lives everyday. They make great use of the funding they receive and raise as well. Change takes time. The GAA will get there.

All sport changes lives everyday.  I really thought we moved on from this attitude a couple of generations ago.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...

This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.

stephenite

I'd nationalise all stadiums over 20K capacity and have them managed by local councils. Absolutely crazy that we are even in this situation.


thewobbler

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...

This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.

But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.

It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.

I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.

thewobbler

Quote from: stephenite on July 24, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
I'd nationalise all stadiums over 20K capacity and have them managed by local councils. Absolutely crazy that we are even in this situation.

Communism doesn't work. The lazy get lazier, the hardworking try to leave, and only the politicians gain. Go read Animal farm.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on July 24, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 24, 2018, 10:55:02 PM
I'm not disagreeing entirely with you Baile Brogin, as there are some genuinely Neanderthal hypocrites attached to the GAA.

But give €30m to boxing or athletics and you're basically giving about a €5,000 grant per half serious competitior in each sport.

It's more like €2 per competitor in GAA. And that before you begin gauging public interest.
Soccer could take that line and raise you...

This is the main problem i have with the hierarchy. Say yes and they are the good guys. Say no and there is a national debate about state funding and rule 42. And its not going well.

But soccer can't raise, not even close. The combined league of Ireland attendance for a fortnight would fit in a Croke Park.

It's public interest that allows the GAA to build 30k stadia. It's through an ethos of investing money and time into community-focused sport that generates such a public interest.

I'm a huge soccer fan. But it's a problem child compared to the GAA. There's no guarantee that 30m would be spent perfectly in the GAA, only that it would be spent immeasurably better than in any other sport. The history is there to prove this.
Im not arguing that the GAA works well in the main. But there is a legitimate argument that if soccer (or rugby) got the state funding Gaelic games got they would have the same facilities. Its a chicken and egg argument - do good facilities increase crowds or crowds lead to good facilties.

And its absurd to suggest other sports arent community focused.

But we are where we are. Turners cross is a tidy stadium that works for who plays there. I cant see a business plan for the FAI or cork soccer to build a 30/40,000 seater venue, and seeing as some are still raising Tallaght, huge objections to state funding for it.

If they had said yes, Joe Duffy and the broadsheets woulfnt be putting pressure on politicians re rule 42.  Massive strategic gobshytery