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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #38415 on: November 22, 2017, 08:51:54 AM »
Well, at least the case for defensive strengthening has been made painfully reclarified five weeks out from the transfer window.

Itís not just the defense, the midfield provides no cover for the back four
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« Reply #38416 on: November 22, 2017, 09:04:09 AM »
Well, at least the case for defensive strengthening has been made painfully reclarified five weeks out from the transfer window.

Itís not just the defense, the midfield provides no cover for the back four

That's what I was looking at last night. When Seville upped it, midfield was just run over. Liverpool were defending 25 yards out from their own goal. Reminded me of a creaking board. The snap was only ever minutes away.

I like Jordan Henderson. He gets a foot in and breaks up a lot of play, but he is not a controlling midfielder. What they need in those moments is someone to push out, win the ball back, and crucially hold it up and pass it around. When the pressing game is bypassed, the defense is seriously compromised.

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« Reply #38417 on: November 22, 2017, 09:25:03 AM »
Agree with the midfield issue. Arsenal have the same problem - 1 or 2 players not tracking causes all sorts of problems for the defence.

Even with VVD and Kieta if others aren't working then problems will arise.

The reason teams under Mourinho can defend is that everyone does it in unison. Look at how Martial has been forced to adapt and track.

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« Reply #38418 on: November 22, 2017, 09:43:42 AM »
Well, at least the case for defensive strengthening has been made painfully reclarified five weeks out from the transfer window.

Itís not just the defense, the midfield provides no cover for the back four

That's what I was looking at last night. When Seville upped it, midfield was just run over. Liverpool were defending 25 yards out from their own goal. Reminded me of a creaking board. The snap was only ever minutes away.

I like Jordan Henderson. He gets a foot in and breaks up a lot of play, but he is not a controlling midfielder. What they need in those moments is someone to push out, win the ball back, and crucially hold it up and pass it around. When the pressing game is bypassed, the defense is seriously compromised.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #38419 on: November 22, 2017, 10:27:09 AM »
Well, at least the case for defensive strengthening has been made painfully reclarified five weeks out from the transfer window.

Itís not just the defense, the midfield provides no cover for the back four

That's what I was looking at last night. When Seville upped it, midfield was just run over. Liverpool were defending 25 yards out from their own goal. Reminded me of a creaking board. The snap was only ever minutes away.

I like Jordan Henderson. He gets a foot in and breaks up a lot of play, but he is not a controlling midfielder. What they need in those moments is someone to push out, win the ball back, and crucially hold it up and pass it around. When the pressing game is bypassed, the defense is seriously compromised.

There is a young lad Lucas at Lazio playing well as holding midfielder this season. Might be worth a punt?? ;D

In all seriousness it was definitely the midfielders at fault for the pressure yesterday. Defenders made individual errors but Gigi and Henderson just could not get into it. Can helped when he came on but the set piece goal was always likely. Aw well, beat MOscow, win the Group and take Real Madrid out in the last 16.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #38420 on: November 22, 2017, 11:09:21 AM »
Well, at least the case for defensive strengthening has been made painfully reclarified five weeks out from the transfer window.

Itís not just the defense, the midfield provides no cover for the back four

That's what I was looking at last night. When Seville upped it, midfield was just run over. Liverpool were defending 25 yards out from their own goal. Reminded me of a creaking board. The snap was only ever minutes away.

I like Jordan Henderson. He gets a foot in and breaks up a lot of play, but he is not a controlling midfielder. What they need in those moments is someone to push out, win the ball back, and crucially hold it up and pass it around. When the pressing game is bypassed, the defense is seriously compromised.

There is a young lad Lucas at Lazio playing well as holding midfielder this season. Might be worth a punt?? ;D

In all seriousness it was definitely the midfielders at fault for the pressure yesterday. Defenders made individual errors but Gigi and Henderson just could not get into it. Can helped when he came on but the set piece goal was always likely. Aw well, beat MOscow, win the Group and take Real Madrid out in the last 16.
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« Reply #38421 on: November 22, 2017, 11:54:37 AM »
From Paddy Power:   ;D

Feel like Liverpool made a deal with the devil in Istanbul, that meant they would win on the night, but have to suffer ridiculous 3-0 collapses for all of eternity.

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« Reply #38422 on: November 22, 2017, 11:59:53 AM »
From Paddy Power:   ;D

Feel like Liverpool made a deal with the devil in Istanbul, that meant they would win on the night, but have to suffer ridiculous 3-0 collapses for all of eternity.

I ll take that deal.

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« Reply #38423 on: November 22, 2017, 01:01:46 PM »
Midfield soft or not, all three goals were defensive errors. It is not a coincidence.

Moreno x 2 plus shocking marking from a corner in the last minute. Unforgivable stuff.

Moreno actually at fault 4 times for 2 goals. Give away the free kick, then got caught out (albeit zonal marking) for a near post header. Poor touch from Coutinho's knock down followed by a trip for the pen.

Defensive errors and zonal marking were the fault for the three goals. Midfield don't make the defence make mistakes so to speak, and it is a very common pattern. So yes midfield may have been overrun but the root of the problem is basic defending. Who leaves a man unmarked 10 yards out in the last minute?? Mental. Absolutely mental.

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« Reply #38424 on: November 22, 2017, 01:04:18 PM »

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #38425 on: November 22, 2017, 01:55:55 PM »
Midfield soft or not, all three goals were defensive errors. It is not a coincidence.

Moreno x 2 plus shocking marking from a corner in the last minute. Unforgivable stuff.

Moreno actually at fault 4 times for 2 goals. Give away the free kick, then got caught out (albeit zonal marking) for a near post header. Poor touch from Coutinho's knock down followed by a trip for the pen.

Defensive errors and zonal marking were the fault for the three goals. Midfield don't make the defence make mistakes so to speak, and it is a very common pattern. So yes midfield may have been overrun but the root of the problem is basic defending. Who leaves a man unmarked 10 yards out in the last minute?? Mental. Absolutely mental.

not be classed more a slight touch to an opponents football boot, who had a good think and then decided to throw himself to the turf like a big blouse, than a trip? Stupid by Moreno though to give the player the opportunity to dive, sorry, go to ground.

The Liverpool midfield is incredibly soft centred

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Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« Reply #38426 on: November 22, 2017, 02:26:29 PM »
Keita can't arrive soon enough

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« Reply #38427 on: November 22, 2017, 02:32:23 PM »
Keita can't arrive soon enough

What sort of player is he?

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« Reply #38428 on: November 22, 2017, 02:46:13 PM »
He's not soft centred  ;)

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« Reply #38429 on: November 22, 2017, 03:06:49 PM »
Where's the Stallion these days? He'd be in his element today banging on about Klopp being a shit manager etc.
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