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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 05:48:41 AM »
Mucker it's not just the fact that she took her top off. It's that she wants the jury to believe she did it under intimidation but can't remember who told her to take it off. I've said that 2 or 3 times already though and you seem to be deliberately misrepresenting what I said to suit your point.

Seanie, you're getting as bad as Syf for the condescending, self-righteous remarks and it seems to be a theme with one side of the argument in this thread.
Apologies Asal Mor, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you.  I just don't find the claim that she cant remember who told her to, as that important.  Again, it will be up to the jury to determine how much weight they put in that, but I cant imagine someone with all the relevant information and evidence placing much on it.
Sorry Mucker I was a bit stroppy on my way to an 11 hour shift at work. I do think if she'd been told in a threatening enough way to make her take off her top when she didn't want to, that she'd remember though.
I would tend to agree.  I suppose I am challenging the idea that her taking off the top with out being told to do so in a threatening manner equals consent.
We live in strange times though. A girl follows a guy back to his house, goes to his room -twice, kissing the first time, sex the second time without any apparent aggression or physical force even by the girl's account and seemingly without a sliver of resistance on the girl's part and this is rape?

Far from a victim blaming culture I think we live in a victim worshipping culture where the girl is praised for being courageous and PJ's and Olding's careers are finished regardless of the likelihood they will be found not guilty(you never know though in the current culture)and even though they don't seem to have forced themselves on the girl in any way and she doesn't seem to have indicated to them in any way that she wasn't consenting to what they were doing.

I don't think the girl is lying exactly, I just think she's convinced herself she's a victim through shame and humiliation and being told she's a victim by those around her. I suspect she drunkenly went along with it until the 3rd guy walked in and felt disgusted by what had happened almost immediately. That's her own mistake though.

You are a creepy, regressive excuse for a man.

If anyone really thinks they are not living in a society that is entirely weighted towards the patriarchy their sheer ignorance disqualifies them from having a meaningful opinion on rape victims, which are mainly female. "Rape worshipping culture" may be one of the most horrendous things yet posted on this forum (and that's saying something) because it's so painfully obvious it's being said with a straight face.

Writing a literal fan fiction of how the rape victim convinced herself of being raped because of "shame and humiliation" just to attempt to disguise your own bias against rape victims behind a flimsy veneer of reasoning is frankly abhorrent and has no place in this or any discussion.

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GAA Discussion / Re: New Jerseys?
« on: Today at 02:40:22 AM »
That's fúcking horrendous. They look like a bunch of lads doing a stag party boot camp experience or something.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:12:05 PM »
It really blows holes into Trump’s distraction pony when trained guards don’t want to engage shooters, nevermind fûcking teachers.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Pat Spillane (Structured Transfers)
« on: February 23, 2018, 11:01:59 PM »
He doesn't exactly get bogged down in the details of how this would work.
He doesn't need to.
He has got his bit of publicity oxygen for this week.

Says the buck who says inflammatory things in threads just for reactions..

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 10:32:09 PM »
Compliance makes perfect sense in a threatening situation. There doesn't appear to me to have ever been the case made that the alleged victim was in fear of violence or felt threatened. Compliance in a non-threatening situation does not make sense, especially when there were numerous opportunities to ask for help, or extricate from situation.
The most sensible post I've seen on this thread.

Jesus. Do you only quote things that explain how the probable rapists were justified or am I missing a lot of posts?

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How is David Drake still on the Mayo panel? And getting starts at HB before Akram? He's not in the same league as his clubmate..

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 07:32:59 PM »
I think the biggest issue for the jury in this case isn't going to be whether or not the victim consented (she's been consistent and unshakeable on the point). The issue is going to be proving the defendants didn't reasonably believe she consented.

Were they in a a state where they could be reasonably confident that they would know? How are your cognitive functions after 17 pints? The fact that the defendants sounds like they were totally tanked does not help the believability of any of the ‘specific details’ they’ve thrown up over the course of this trial.

Well it’s a good thing the girl was sober then

The mask has well and truly melted away at this stage.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 07:25:10 PM »
I think the biggest issue for the jury in this case isn't going to be whether or not the victim consented (she's been consistent and unshakeable on the point). The issue is going to be proving the defendants didn't reasonably believe she consented.

Were they in a a state where they could be reasonably confident that they would know? How are your cognitive functions after 17 pints? The fact that the defendants sounds like they were totally tanked does not help the believability of any of the ‘specific details’ they’ve thrown up over the course of this trial.

How tanked was the accuser?

Clearly less than 17 pints in.. yikes.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 06:51:01 PM »
I think the biggest issue for the jury in this case isn't going to be whether or not the victim consented (she's been consistent and unshakeable on the point). The issue is going to be proving the defendants didn't reasonably believe she consented.

Were they in a a state where they could be reasonably confident that they would know? How are your cognitive functions after 17 pints? The fact that the defendants sounds like they were totally tanked does not help the believability of any of the ‘specific details’ they’ve thrown up over the course of this trial.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: February 23, 2018, 05:19:32 PM »
I find it incredible that Jose is singled out for spending big when Pep has assembled the worth of two or three extremely expensive world class forward lines across town. Football at the top level is about spending big, that is the cost of admission to the big boy club.

Yeah strange that the media are picking on the manager who is the guts of 20 points off the pace and not the manager that is playing
exciting football and running away with the league.  ::)

One inherited a team that had already won two titles recently with many key members still at or near their playing peaks. What Jose found, when he arrived at United, was a mess due to late era Fergie batshit planning and two poor managers. Not even close to like-for-like.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: February 23, 2018, 03:26:28 PM »
I find it incredible that Jose is singled out for spending big when Pep has assembled the worth of two or three extremely expensive world class forward lines across town. Football at the top level is about spending big, that is the cost of admission to the big boy club.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 02:54:22 PM »
Going on Frank Greaney's tweets it looks like the Jackson's and Olding's stories differ. And they're contradicted by other evidence from various sources. If it does come down to who the jury believe is telling the truth......

It does. As it was always likely to.

I thought that was very telling. The only one who seems to be fairly consistent with their stories is the IP. Today’s evidence is not good for Olding and Jackson as they come across as arrogant drunks who have contradictory stories. This will not sit well with the jury.

Unless the 7 lads in the jury like a drink and understand getting pissed can have its moments! And that's that, we dont know how these people are going to go with whats been said

I still believe that there is no real hard evidence to say they raped a girl and stand over it based on the snippets we have heard..

For me this has started out ok and went downhill and rape regret stupidity arrogance and alcohol have all played their part in a crazy night.. something went on but we'll never know, and to be fair they dont seem to know

Do you take some sort of perverse joy out of explaining away problems for likely rapists? You seem be the first line of defence force in this thread.

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:45:30 PM »
There are a few important things Olding can't remember about his jeans.  Who took them off and what happened to them afterwards!
Fairly standard after drinking 16 pints

Doesn’t do the believability of his statements much favours.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:43:51 PM »
Windows of opportunity. Christ, would you listen to yourself. A glorified mall cop taking on Rambo springs to mind.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 2018 NFL Division 2
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:37:41 PM »
Roscommon will still be confident of going up. They'll be too good for Clare, Louth are awful and they always beat Cavan. Plus if they really are only getting into proper training now they will improve as the games go by.

Can't the same be said for Cavan?  Especially if we can beat Roscommon.  The game against Cork may give us a better idea.

Wash your mouth out with soap. Roscommon don't do losing to Cavan.

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