Ulster Senior football championship 2024

[Tones]

Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.

A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.

Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! 

I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.

[JoG2]

Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.

A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.

Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! 

I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.

OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...

[Derryman forever]

Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.

A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.

Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! 

I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.

OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...

"here lads we don't need to win a game between now and the AI final.
Lets party for the next 8 weeks."

[bennydorano]

Sure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.

[JoG2]

Sure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.

The more they practice, the luckier they get

[Silver hill]

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Sure the lucks been hanging out of the penalty Kick Champs (X2), why change anything? just go full of the bull until it goes pear shaped and then think about it.
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Love this! 

[Tones]

Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.

A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.

Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! 

I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.

OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...

I'd be ensuring key players are at the business end, this Derry team don't need another Ulster at the expense of burnout or injuries, they are capable of lifting Sam this year, but in such a compressed season lads need some rest.

[illdecide]

You men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...

Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.

Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.

Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
- Fermanagh
9) - Antrim

Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level  of the quartet mentioned.

[JoG2]

Don't expect Derry to win Ulster, no idea who will tho.

A fully fit Tyrone would have to be in with a shout, they have serious players, think it would be madness for Derry to go full throttle in Ulster if they want to lift Sam.

Is the gear grinder thread still about? Fcuk me! 

I remember in 2005 Tyrone singing you can shove your Ulster Final up your hole, all takes is a few knocks going full tilt in 2 hard matches against Donegal and Tyrone, Armagh would settle for an Ulster championship - Derry should be all out for Sam, another Ulster and no Sam would be failure for such a great team.

OK, so let's pretend you're the Derry manager, managing the group of players we have atm, how are you planning the provencial / AI series ahead...

I'd be ensuring key players are at the business end, this Derry team don't need another Ulster at the expense of burnout or injuries, they are capable of lifting Sam this year, but in such a compressed season lads need some rest.

How do you know they're not getting a rest? So you dont think there's a team behind them managing their collective and individual work load. Do you not think elite footballers can manage a game a week with lighter rest weeks and weekends off inbetween? What about training, half the training to prevent injuries, rest and wrap key men in cotton wool and hope they've the  sharpness to try and down a Kerry or Dublin in AI semi finals and final?

[Tones]

God you seem a bit tetchy, I am a fan and would rather see Derry win Sam than Kerry or Dublin, but sure swipe all aside, another Ulster will be great with your National League.

[Derryman forever]

You men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...

Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.

Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.

Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
- Fermanagh
9) - Antrim

Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level  of the quartet mentioned.

Its a fair point that Dublin have 4 or 5 players to come back in,
But I am wondering about the 4 or 5 players that had a bad game on Sunday and need replacing?
From what I observed half or more of that 4 or 5 might well be the more established players.

[93-DY-SAM]

You men are some craic...you have Derry v Armagh in the final with Derry winning pulling up...

Armagh will be lucky to get out of Brewster Park next weekend and if they're lucky enough to win that they more than likely will play Down who always give Armagh their fill of it and if that match was in Newry i'd not be over confident going there with our record. Derry will have 2 really hard games to get to the final and as much as they're a great team I believe we have seen their full hand over the last while where other teams are not or have not been at full throttle yet or injured players due back. Derry are good but I still put Dublin and Kerry above them come July time and Ulster teams may well catch them on the hop too, they're not as good as everyone is making them out to be...A couple of aging players with some miles in the legs and a great man marker for McGuigan can go a long way to beating them.

Another cliché, showing their hand because they played well. Did Dublin show their hand when they beat Kerry by 10 points. I've heard people say Dublin aren't fully at it yet but the week before people were going to hand them Sam in March. As for aging players, i'd argue our age profile is very good. McKaigue obviously is old but he looks in great form this season. Rogers, McKinless and McFaul around 29 and the rest of the team are all early to mid 20s.

Derry are practically full strength and are doing well, my point being Dublin had 4-5 players still to come back into that team and Cluxton will find his man 99/100 for certain possession. Dublin will only get stronger. Kerry will improve too come late summer so that was my thinking from my earlier comment. Derry are the best team in Ulster from my eye test but are beatable and being in the tough side of the draw it could have an effect on them, only takes a suspension and an injury or two to do the damage.
Armagh will not win the All-Ireland but they can bloody someones nose on the way and can win Ulster if their luck is in.
If i'm ranking Ulster teams i have...
1) - Derry
2) - Armagh
2) - Tyrone
2) - Monaghan
2) - Donegal
6) - Cavan
7) - Down
- Fermanagh
9) - Antrim

Armagh, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal are all similar levels and capable of beating each other and if it falls right for them on the day with some luck can beat Derry too. If i'm honest Antrim are 9th but Cavan, Fermanagh and Down are similar level too but that level is below the level  of the quartet mentioned.

Its a fair point that Dublin have 4 or 5 players to come back in,
But I am wondering about the 4 or 5 players that had a bad game on Sunday and need replacing?
From what I observed half or more of that 4 or 5 might well be the more established players.

The year is 2165 and Stephen Cluxton is about to win his 100th All Ireland aged 182!!

[imtommygunn]

Dublin are (or were) playing off about 20 players. Kerry were similar. Derry are definitely better this year but the key question is that when it counts in those last ten in the tight games will they have enough in reserve. Last year they subbed McGrogan and then the sub got subbed so they definitely struggled for depth. Dublin and Kerry really squeeze in the last 10-15 minutes and that is where the game is won not the first 55 which the ulster teams are better at... Even look at the AI final last year where dublin outscored Kerry by about 7 to 2 or something like that in the last 10-15. I don't think it can be overstated how much damage Jack McCaffrey does with his pace off the bench.

That said I do see this argument people have about what if Derry lose McGuigan. What if Kerry lose Clifford or Dublin O'Callaghan. They then say what about Glass well what about Fenton.

Yep Down about 7th I would say about right. Sadly I think they'll have far too much for antrim but the armagh game the big test. Armagh will be sore from the last day which should get rid of any complacency.

[Derryman forever]

Dublin are (or were) playing off about 20 players. Kerry were similar. Derry are definitely better this year but the key question is that when it counts in those last ten in the tight games will they have enough in reserve. Last year they subbed McGrogan and then the sub got subbed so they definitely struggled for depth. Dublin and Kerry really squeeze in the last 10-15 minutes and that is where the game is won not the first 55 which the ulster teams are better at... Even look at the AI final last year where dublin outscored Kerry by about 7 to 2 or something like that in the last 10-15. I don't think it can be overstated how much damage Jack McCaffrey does with his pace off the bench.

That said I do see this argument people have about what if Derry lose McGuigan. What if Kerry lose Clifford or Dublin O'Callaghan. They then say what about Glass well what about Fenton.

Yep Down about 7th I would say about right. Sadly I think they'll have far too much for antrim but the armagh game the big test. Armagh will be sore from the last day which should get rid of any complacency.

Last years Ulster Final and Quarter Final should have sorted the complacency.

[JoG2]

God you seem a bit tetchy, I am a fan and would rather see Derry win Sam than Kerry or Dublin, but sure swipe all aside, another Ulster will be great with your National League.

Not at all. Just curious  . I'd love to see them win it too Tones!