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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 28, 2022, 03:47:41 PM »
What's the priority for Armagh going forward? How good is the wider panel ? Are a few more players required or is tactical improvement more important? The fans are obviously a huge asset.

Id say we have the best players in the county on the panel. Some may argue we dont have our best 15 starting though. Hopefully getting the likes of OONeill and Grimley back will improve midfield though in fairness we could do with unearthing another body for there.
Tactically we could improve, certainly defensively we can improve further.
There is a third O'Neill brother coming through and I have been told he could potentially be better than Rian, haven't seen him in action yet though.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:46:53 AM »
Taoiseach and Catherine Martin getting stuck into this now. We're only moments away from somebody in the Dail asking for the Army to sent in to steward games.
He should be more concerned with the state of Cork football at the moment.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:44:22 AM »
There has been some drivel written about the penalties in the past 24 hours, predominantly by middle-aged women on Facebook, unsurprisingly. Armagh were robbed due to having to kick penalties etc. even though Galway also had the operate in the same conditions.
As Oisin McConville said, penalties are no way to end a GAA game, but both teams knew before Sunday that was what was happening so no use in whinging. Galway just about the better team overall so had Armagh won on penalties it would have been a greater injustice and that is my gripe.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:38:41 AM »
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.

So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.

You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.

I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
No hate, no anger read my take on yesterday, but suggesting that Armagh were wholly to blame and have been at it for years is just errant nonsense. If you are insulted that I believe that you are bullshitting there is nothing I can do for that, just my opinion of your musings and nothing personal.

I accept your apology, now that youve calmed down a little.
Let me be clear in case i wasnt before. Armagh are not solely to blame for yesterdays melee. It takes 2 to tango. I dont think anyone is suggesting otherwise.
Also im not suggesting that Armagh went out to start a pre-meditated melee at all. In fact i agree with you, no team does that as far as im aware.

However, what i was suggesting that in general the lesser footballer will often engage in nonsense to try gain that little edge over his clearly superior footballing opponent. In some cases many lesser footballers will round on the clearly superior footballer as a group and show of strength etc. Often times when there is a culture of chest beating and machismo in a group of players it will result in fracas, melees, set-tos, skullduggery. Sometimes it manifests itself as a box to the gut, other times it might be wrestling and grappling (which Armagh strangely seem to love)
To be clear, no apology is required and I am calm and rational.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 28, 2022, 09:32:48 AM »
End of the day managers attitude is alot to blame especially McGeeney Attitude. Dublin were the masters of goading to Pat Kilroy came onboard and cut it out over night. Armagh been involved in 3 pile on this year. Bad one few yrs ago against Cavan, and the worst one was a U-21 game with Tyrone a few yrs bck. It doesn't happen in soccer/Rugby cause they issues punishments for such. And the general attitude is there's nothing wrong with it. No wonder children now aday grow up  with attitude of its someone else fault. And on the row, the initial instigator was Morgan not Comer, who shouldn't been on the field after blindsiding Walsh earlier.

The "row" was mostly pushing and holding (with the obvious, much discussed, exception). This used to be known as Handbags. In non-professional rugby and soccer, these rows also happen.

As for your Helen Lovejoy "won't somebody please think of the children" line, that gave me a laugh.

Hopefully the CCCC don't loose the run of themselves due to wailing on twitter and Galway will be at full strength for the Semi-Final.
They frequently happen in professional rugby and are allowed to fizzle out with the ref warning players as to future behaviour then if any serious foul play the citing commissioner intervenes. For some reason when they happen in GAA they are amplified beyond what they really are which is unsightly and unnecessary. The only two instances here needing dealt with are the gouge and the punch, the punch being as a result of the gouge would be less serious. In rugby these factors are taken in to account usually by the ref at the time. according to the Sunday Game the red cards were symbolic which is crap, if you are not going to allow the ref to use the video then if he has no clear sense of who did what it should be left to the video.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 02:11:07 PM »
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.

So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence.

You personally insulted me. Its black n white.
Where did i label a whole county and its players as perennial thugs. Those are your own words not mine. Be careful.
Theres plenty of evidence to suggest that Armagh have several players with issues when it comes to controlling aggression, breaking playing rules, getting themselves carded.

I actually think Armagh folk are a great bunch. Have had many a positive interaction with them on and off the pitch for last 30 years and count them as good friends.
Im actually a fan of the football they play. How could you not be.
Im not sure where all this hate and anger comes from today.
No hate, no anger read my take on yesterday, but suggesting that Armagh were wholly to blame and have been at it for years is just errant nonsense. If you are insulted that I believe that you are bullshitting there is nothing I can do for that, just my opinion of your musings and nothing personal.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:40:37 PM »
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.

So we're into personal insults now because you disagree strongly with an opinion.
Classy. Then again i shouldnt be surprised.
Its not personal, its not an insult, you are bullshitting and labelling a whole county and its players as perennial thugs based on zero evidence. I don't know you so can only comment on your posts and not you personally.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:29:51 PM »
My take on the game...

Thought it was a good game and def worth the entry fee, the Armagh fans were great and made plenty of noise contributing to the atmosphere. after the first 15 mins or so Armagh chased it the whole game and if we're all honest it was Galway's to throw away (which they almost done). The sending off from the seat inside the stadium felt harsh at the time but seeing it back last night can't argue too much with it. On reflection now the dust has settled Galway deserved their win and the very best of luck to them in the Semi Final. Armagh put that much into chasing the game and some of the subs used in Extra Time they had little in reserve and TBH I thought Galway would have put us to the sword in ET but that was not the case, both teams have to be applauded for their efforts and the contribution to a great day out.

Back to the drawing board again now for Armagh but I think we all knew this was a tough game that could have went either way and that certainly was the case...Onwards and upwards (hopefully). Good luck again Galway. As for the incident at the end of the normal time match...Don't know the lad but i'm sure he'll get a hefty suspension and being out long term with an injury it prob won't impact him too much but i'm guessing the trial by social media and the flak he'll take from this will far outweigh any GAA suspension he'll get. I know he's only a young lad and i'm not excusing what he done as it was disgraceful but i can only imagine he'll never do that again...(Here's hoping)
A fair summation of the game.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:21:22 PM »
Theyve been at it before Donaghy arrived on the ticket.
Im not referring to the gouging because thats a separate thing thats unexplainable.
Open your eyes man. James Morgan and Greg McCabe are card magnets and dont help themselves or the team with their nonsense.
There are a few others who are a shoe-in for cards every game. Armagh are a betting man's dream when it comes to cards.
You are a bullshitter. Morgan has in the past been rash and card prone. Over the last 10 or 12 years Armagh have not been involved a lot of this stuff as you suggest. This year they have been involved in 3 instances which is too much, but this happening the length and breadth of the country at club and county level your allegation that Armagh are some how world leaders at it does not stack.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 12:15:35 PM »
So there you are now. Some thoughts.

It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.

The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.

If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.
So Coldrick made a balls of it but the refs report must be sacrosanct. If youíre winding at least donít make it so obvious. Sean Kelly doesnít deserve to miss an all ireland semi final. Thought the ref was woeful all day tbh.

I'm not winding. If Coldrick thought he had any power he'd have lined 15 from each side. The rulebook is a mess and then by extension so was his handling of the row.
I was kind of on your side but you know what you're proving everyone's point. Armagh can do no wrong. It's their responsibility. There is a clear Armagh directive, one in all in. Can't send us all off boys. They all pumped up out of their minds like McGeeney was when he played.

Armagh are playing with the big boys now and need to realise that every single incident will be poured over. Tyrone live with this daily.

Tyrone haven't lived with it much this year anyway, they were long gone before the championship had even begun in earnest.

Sean Kelly will get off on appeal because looking at the replay he done nothing to warrant a red card. The Galway player that swung a punch at Kelly should get banned and after that it was all argy bargy stuff with very little actual foul play. But the media will make a big deal of it as usual and big bad Armagh will probably get the blame.

Jesus Christ. A person could have lost his sight.
If Armagh owned up here ppl would have more sympathy.
Plenty of Armagh people calling out the gouging, not so many others calling Comer out for starting it. It is unsightly and the GAA needs to do more to stop it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 12:13:01 PM »
So there you are now. Some thoughts.

It was fantastic entertainment.
Rian O'Neill is a serious player. What a huge performance. Great score at the end but he was everywhere. But he is all Armagh have. A lot of the rest of them are limited players.
The sending off was a funny one. Initally I thought it very harsh, felt a yellow was enough but looking at it again last night I can see why Coldrick gave it.
Galway are a good team. A lot of Armagh ppl felt that it was only a matter of turning up. Had heard a lot of stories of Armagh fans getting carried away. Galway didn't get caught in the hype and after they settled they went about their business with great efficiency. They did shite the togs. They need to learn how to lose games out.

The row was the row and yer man made a bollocks of himself. Everyone will get off no matter what suspensions the GAA throw at them. Coldrick made a balls of it. Contributing to a melee is the referees get out of jail card. But this is a problem of the GAAs making. They have let Armagh off all year and they will continue to behave this way. Dublin and Kerry also got let off similarly.

If the GAA are serious about dealing with the issue they need to address the mess that is the rulebook. A referees report must be sacrosanct. No reds overturned ever. No matter what. If the ref gets it wrong, he gets it wrong. Tough. Use only video to retrospectively ban for serious foul play missed by the referee. If he deals with it, then that's the matter closed. No appeals on technicalities because the report wasn't submitted in 4 different versions of Irish or this nonsense.

Your analysis doesn't really add up.  Rian is a special talent but if you've seen much of Armagh over the past few months you'll know we have a range of scorers in most matches.  Yesterday was the same.  He didn't exactly kick 1.20 for us.
If you use that analysis then Derry would have nothing without Mcguigan (1-08). Armagh have plenty of good players and unfortunately with injuries the panel was a little bare yesterday when it mattered.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:28:23 AM »
On the actual game, Galway shaded it one the 70 minutes, fairly even in ET imo. Penalties not the way to end it again imo. Armagh had chances to win it, two goal chances spurned prior to Galway revival in the first half and Rowland at the end took on a difficult shot with space in front of him. That said had it gone over he'd a hero.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:17:16 AM »
The only suspension out of it all should be the Armagh eye gouger - the rest was handbags - bit of pushing
Understandably one of the Galway lads threw a punch at the gouger so might be in bother if the video is looked at closely. The GAA need to look at how they manage games, yesterday they could have been in dressing rooms at opposite sides of the pitch which would have avoided this type of thing.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:11:47 AM »
I thought the red card was wrong and only a yellow originally but the replays showed different. Armagh should lost Morgan as well.
The red was probably correct but a yellow would also have been ok, just timed it wrong and it was a clash of heads that caused the damage, but as an Armagh man I can't complain. On Morgan though after he was deservedly yellow carded he was targeted by Galway for the second yellow and I think that's what saved him. Its an aspect of the game that I don't like trying to get players sent off.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway AIQF
« on: June 27, 2022, 10:01:39 AM »
If the eye gouge wasnít intentional then what was he trying to do? I donít understand how it couldnít have been intentional tbh.
It looked pretty bad on TV, I can't see any mitigation, but heat of the moment and will surely be severely dealt with and rightly so but some of the stuff on twitter is way beyond the pale.

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