Author Topic: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022  (Read 63446 times)

general_lee

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1440 on: May 16, 2022, 10:59:13 AM »
There is some right wing types in the south that wants ireland to join the uk

How does this make them “right wing”?
Presumably the desire to join an inherently right wing country.

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1441 on: May 16, 2022, 11:11:14 AM »
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.


Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?

How are the DUP setting the agenda? You are sounding like people did when they were saying how great the DUP were negotiating regarding Brexit. Until people realised that their negotiation tactic was to say no and that was it.

The DUP have made a career out of saying “no”. This will continue to work until Others unite against them. A continuing concern is that “the centre” ie alliance/SDLP/UU backed up by the governments , present the problem here as being two sides of the same coin . Which perpetuates DUP influence . SF and DUP are not the same. SF has mellowed and has made significant efforts to continue in government, even returning to government in the absence of Irish language act. They have put many of their republican ideals aside.  In contrast , DUP has been dragged kicking and screaming into power sharing. Any movement towards normalcy and parity of esteem is either resisted or tolerated by “pinching their nose”. They promoted brexit and now can’t accept its consequences. They facilitate and promote extreme unionism . All this , and the centre ground response is always qualified by a “SF are just as bad” narrative , which lets DUP off the hook again .

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1442 on: May 16, 2022, 11:20:40 AM »
got a feeling the boris visit today will be a nothing burger

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1443 on: May 16, 2022, 11:22:29 AM »
The unionists will fawn all over him again then act all shock if he does not give them what they want

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1444 on: May 16, 2022, 11:31:33 AM »
Must be planning something, if he's coming over.

Seems to be going to override parts of the deal.

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1445 on: May 16, 2022, 11:53:16 AM »
The DUP are walking all over the Shinners.
Border Poll in 5 years my arse.


Care to elaborate?
SF as biggest party doesn't change anything. There is no majority for unity if you look at totals for the 2 sides. The DUP can always get the Tories onside .
So "the DUP are running rings around the shinners" because demographics? OK so.
The demographics aren't there for a successful border poll right now . And the DUP are setting the agenda now. What are SF doing ?

How are the DUP setting the agenda? You are sounding like people did when they were saying how great the DUP were negotiating regarding Brexit. Until people realised that their negotiation tactic was to say no and that was it.

The DUP have made a career out of saying “no”. This will continue to work until Others unite against them. A continuing concern is that “the centre” ie alliance/SDLP/UU backed up by the governments , present the problem here as being two sides of the same coin . Which perpetuates DUP influence . SF and DUP are not the same. SF has mellowed and has made significant efforts to continue in government, even returning to government in the absence of Irish language act. They have put many of their republican ideals aside.  In contrast , DUP has been dragged kicking and screaming into power sharing. Any movement towards normalcy and parity of esteem is either resisted or tolerated by “pinching their nose”. They promoted brexit and now can’t accept its consequences. They facilitate and promote extreme unionism . All this , and the centre ground response is always qualified by a “SF are just as bad” narrative , which lets DUP off the hook again .

Yeah agreed. I don't think anyone who thinks the DUP are running rings round SF understands politics here. Before anyone starts I am not a sinner  ;D

The parity of esteem still has a bit to go yet. Definitely getting there and definitely rubbing some people up the wrong way but if it's not what people are used to that will happen.


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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1446 on: May 16, 2022, 12:24:15 PM »
Must be planning something, if he's coming over.

Seems to be going to override parts of the deal.

I had thought the protocol headlines took the attention away from the part-gate news?

The DUP could be throwing Boris a lifeline.

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1447 on: May 16, 2022, 12:25:47 PM »
Yeah I think they are unfortunately  :(

Non DUPers should never trust tories but so should DUPers. It's just a matter of who it serves him best to shaft.

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1448 on: May 16, 2022, 08:28:39 PM »

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1449 on: May 16, 2022, 08:42:03 PM »

   https://www.ft.com/content/0672dec7-ef91-410a-9da6-aa93e9d635ae

   Boris Johnson was locked in a stand-off with Northern Ireland’s biggest pro-UK unionist party on Monday, as a row over post-Brexit trading rules left the region in political paralysis.

The Democratic Unionist party warned Johnson that only the enacting of legislation to scrap a post-Brexit customs border in the Irish Sea — not just the threat of a new law — would be enough to end the political deadlock.

Liz Truss, the UK foreign secretary, will on Tuesday set out plans for British legislation to override parts of the Northern Ireland protocol, a key element of Johnson’s 2019 Brexit deal, if talks with the EU on reforming the pact fail.

But while that plan has enraged politicians in the EU — who argue that Johnson’s government is threatening to unilaterally rip up an international treaty — it is still not deemed hardline enough by the DUP.
Lookit

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Re: 6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022
« Reply #1450 on: May 16, 2022, 09:41:51 PM »
https://twitter.com/JonTonge/status/1526268333124898816

 ;D

Sammy's a republican. I knew it.

I'd say Sammy heard the question alright.