Brexit.

[BennyCake]

What continues to take me to the fair is all the asians and africans backing brexit, to stop all the immigrants, and some of the Irish diaspora aren't to far behind. The irony is lost on them.

Even in the EU, the UK (or any country) are able to put a limit on the amount of foreign migrants coming in, can they not?

Heard a discussion other day saying the nhs will struggle due to brexit, because they can't bring in as much nurses/doctors from abroad. But there's been a lack of medical professionals for 20-30 years, and what the fcuk have they done about it? Just another excuse to blame it on brexit.

[screenexile]

One of the big Pharmaceutical Wholesalers in the UK have just told me they're not accepting any more medicine from Europe in the New Year until something concrete has been sorted about Brexit . . .

No need to panic though for that Epilepsy/Diabetes medicine that comes from Ireland you'll be grand!! 

[omaghjoe]

Heard a discussion other day saying the nhs will struggle due to brexit, because they can't bring in as much nurses/doctors from abroad. But there's been a lack of medical professionals for 20-30 years, and what the fcuk have they done about it? Just another excuse to blame it on brexit.

Anyhoo, a contribution piece in today's Graniuad on Brexit from someone who grew up in Kenya in the 80s with all the political turmoil there at the time...

Britain is not Kenya. It is, in the ordinary run of things, much better protected against such convulsions than a country such as Kenya. But do away with the ordinary run of things, and any place in the world can suffer as Kenya did then. You don't have to look too far back at European history to see it, nor do you have to look away from home. The British people I know who most swiftly grasped and vividly understood the implications of present events as they began to unfold are Northern Irish. There's a reason for that.**

All the talk about the "Blitz spirit" comes from people who have never known what it is to truly fear everything crashing down around you. In liberal democracies enthusiasm for a revolution usually comes from people who have known nothing but the safety and freedom of the "system" – which is to say the imperfect protective structure – that they abhor. Talk to anyone who has experienced the glories of such upheaval and they are generally not quite so keen on it.

To be, politically speaking, a grownup is something to be sneered at these days. It means you're lacking in imagination, in boldness of vision, in belief in a better country or a better world. That's a view held invariably by people who would, without grownups running things, have been lucky to survive long enough to articulate it. Similarly, a contempt for expertise is inevitably expressed by those who, without experts contributing to society as they do, would be lucky to have a voice to speak with, let alone a platform on which to use it. Expertise, like democracy, is far from infallible; each, however, is always preferable to the alternative.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/brexit-britain-crisis-uk


** Please, don't shoot the messenger.

This is what is somewhat weird that as the population grows older it seems like it is becoming less sensible.
But then again we are all becoming more susceptible to  media that is tailored to our individual personal emotions.

[BennyCake]

Heard a discussion other day saying the nhs will struggle due to brexit, because they can't bring in as much nurses/doctors from abroad. But there's been a lack of medical professionals for 20-30 years, and what the fcuk have they done about it? Just another excuse to blame it on brexit.

Anyhoo, a contribution piece in today's Graniuad on Brexit from someone who grew up in Kenya in the 80s with all the political turmoil there at the time...

Britain is not Kenya. It is, in the ordinary run of things, much better protected against such convulsions than a country such as Kenya. But do away with the ordinary run of things, and any place in the world can suffer as Kenya did then. You don't have to look too far back at European history to see it, nor do you have to look away from home. The British people I know who most swiftly grasped and vividly understood the implications of present events as they began to unfold are Northern Irish. There's a reason for that.**

All the talk about the "Blitz spirit" comes from people who have never known what it is to truly fear everything crashing down around you. In liberal democracies enthusiasm for a revolution usually comes from people who have known nothing but the safety and freedom of the "system" – which is to say the imperfect protective structure – that they abhor. Talk to anyone who has experienced the glories of such upheaval and they are generally not quite so keen on it.

To be, politically speaking, a grownup is something to be sneered at these days. It means you're lacking in imagination, in boldness of vision, in belief in a better country or a better world. That's a view held invariably by people who would, without grownups running things, have been lucky to survive long enough to articulate it. Similarly, a contempt for expertise is inevitably expressed by those who, without experts contributing to society as they do, would be lucky to have a voice to speak with, let alone a platform on which to use it. Expertise, like democracy, is far from infallible; each, however, is always preferable to the alternative.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/30/brexit-britain-crisis-uk


** Please, don't shoot the messenger.

What's your point Felix?

[omochain]

Is it time to call Arlene's bluff and start renegotiating partition. We made a balls out of engagement with the Boundary Commission in the 1920's. Would now be a good time to reopen negotiations and move the boundary north east of South Armagh/Down, Fermanagh, West and South Tyrone and Derry City..   it would only take 10 years of depression to convince the Very North East to come to their senses and maybe we will be a nation once again😇🇨🇮

[OgraAnDun]

Is it time to call Arlene's bluff and start renegotiating partition. We made a balls out of engagement with the Boundary Commission in the 1920's. Would now be a good time to reopen negotiations and move the boundary north east of South Armagh/Down, Fermanagh, West and South Tyrone and Derry City..   it would only take 10 years of depression to convince the Very North East to come to their senses and maybe we will be a nation once again😇🇨🇮

Obviously would never happen, but if it was a possibility, I would be against leaving behind nationalists in the north east (even for ten years) especially in a statelet even more dominated by unionists.

[RedHand88]

Is it time to call Arlene's bluff and start renegotiating partition. We made a balls out of engagement with the Boundary Commission in the 1920's. Would now be a good time to reopen negotiations and move the boundary north east of South Armagh/Down, Fermanagh, West and South Tyrone and Derry City..   it would only take 10 years of depression to convince the Very North East to come to their senses and maybe we will be a nation once again😇🇨🇮

Obviously would never happen, but if it was a possibility, I would be against leaving behind nationalists in the north east (even for ten years) especially in a statelet even more dominated by unionists.

Exactly. It just sets back unification longer than it needs to be.

[RedHand88]

One of the big Pharmaceutical Wholesalers in the UK have just told me they're not accepting any more medicine from Europe in the New Year until something concrete has been sorted about Brexit . . .

No need to panic though for that Epilepsy/Diabetes medicine that comes from Ireland you'll be grand!! 

Which one? Even what's the first letter?

[omaghjoe]

I think that is a fantastic idea...You know a 100 years after the thing was signed is a perfect time for renegotiation. With the hindsight of history in our we can now see which parts were crap and partition was crap so we should do it again o ly do it right this time.

This thread is as as daft as the topic

[omochain]

Is it time to call Arlene's bluff and start renegotiating partition. We made a balls out of engagement with the Boundary Commission in the 1920's. Would now be a good time to reopen negotiations and move the boundary north east of South Armagh/Down, Fermanagh, West and South Tyrone and Derry City..   it would only take 10 years of depression to convince the Very North East to come to their senses and maybe we will be a nation once again😇🇨🇮

Obviously would never happen, but if it was a possibility, I would be against leaving behind nationalists in the north east (even for ten years) especially in a statelet even more dominated by unionists.

That was DeValera's position too. And 100 years on.....Arlene and Co are still calling the shots.

[balladmaker]

Arlene and Co are still calling the shots.

Calling the shots in Westminster on a temporary basis.  No longer calling the shots in the north.  The 'Precious Union' is on its last legs and they know it.

[Eamonnca1]

Is it time to call Arlene's bluff and start renegotiating partition. We made a balls out of engagement with the Boundary Commission in the 1920's. Would now be a good time to reopen negotiations and move the boundary north east of South Armagh/Down, Fermanagh, West and South Tyrone and Derry City..   it would only take 10 years of depression to convince the Very North East to come to their senses and maybe we will be a nation once again😇🇨🇮

They can have Bangor and Larne. We'll keep the rest.

[Eamonnca1]

What continues to take me to the fair is all the asians and africans backing brexit, to stop all the immigrants, and some of the Irish diaspora aren't to far behind. The irony is lost on them.

I believe it's called "pulling the ladder up behind you." Plastic paddies in the states are some of the worst offenders.

[armaghniac]

There might be a case for swapping Carrickfergus for Bangor.
Or perhaps taking control of Larne and renting it to the Russians as an naval base.

[playwiththewind1st]

There might be a case for swapping Carrickfergus for Bangor.
Or perhaps taking control of Larne and renting it to the Russians as an naval base.

Even the Russians wouldn't want that orange hell hole!