Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2023, 08:57:14 AMQuote from: Look-Up! on January 26, 2023, 12:15:40 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 11:12:09 PMDon't agree with your interpretation.Quote from: Franko on January 25, 2023, 11:05:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 10:58:30 PMQuote from: Franko on January 25, 2023, 10:49:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 10:28:11 PMQuote from: Franko on January 25, 2023, 10:16:48 PM
Ah Christ of almighty
It's like talking to a door. A stupid door
They broke the rule that says you can only have a max of 15 players on the field
How they broke it or why they broke it or whose fault it was that they broke it is only relevant in mitigation
And no, I don't think they did it on purpose at all
But they were very careless
So you haven't found the rule?
I've said there is a rule break and there are procedures that a forfeit, fine or replay will be determined by Croke.
You can bleat all you want
You're making a fool of yourself here
They broke Rule 2.1
I paraphrased for you, but evidently I need to spell it out
Aye dead on,
1.7 SUBSTITUTION ZONE.
An area of the sideline, extending 5m. on either side of the centre-line, shall be marked as the Substitution Zone, and all the players coming off/going on to the field of play in acts of substitution/temporary substitution shall go through this point, when given permission by the Referee.
This didn't happen
And?
I've looked at your rule 2-1 and states a team shall consist of 15 players...
It doesn't say the onus is on the team to ensure when making a substitution that he has to come off, the rule above states (I've highlighted for you) when given permission by the ref, so the onus is with the officials.
If the onus was not on the team, why would there be a provision for punishing a team and team only when rule broken. If referee is fully responsible rule would be obsolete.
Regarding the highlighted bit, substitution process cannot begin until referee gives permission i.e halts play and signals to line. Nothing in that to suggest referee must manage everything or hold hands with he players through this (self managed) zone. I guess there's a certain level of assumption here that players and management know the rules and are responsible adults.
But sure, grey area now. Going forward rule will likely have to be dumbed down to make it fool proof.
You'll have been at games with actual linesmen? Ok So what basically happens, is the lines man takes the slip. informs the Ref, next break of play sub for team A... the ref blows whistle at next break, player from team A comes on and while that is happening, the linesman holds his flag up in the air till the player sub'd, comes off, Ref blows his whistle, play resumes. At no point in that process is anyone looking to the management of Team A and say thanks for being responsible adults!
Its in the rules, the rule was broken and if I was KC I'd be hammering that to CCCC and saying we did nothing wrong by the rules, we instructed the linesmen 4th official and so on..
Lets see what the CCCC say though, be interesting to see who they through under the bus for this one, the replay forfeit or fine
All the above is just my view on it, referees don't get to have any opinion on what the CCCC do in these matters, the match report is what they work off and if there is other evidence on the day they'll use it also. Too much stuff to twist and turn to suit the outcome.
When will there be a meeting? Tonight?
KC have until 11am Saturday morning to respond.