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Re: Six County Census Results 2021
« Reply #135 on: September 22, 2022, 11:51:12 PM »
When will the next census take place?  I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland,  there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.

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Will there even be another census? They're an old, slow, and expensive way of collecting information that the government already has in most instances.

The next decade should see big improvements in the way that data is managed and shared between various administrative sources. That will allow for faster, finer analyses of relevant information. This big round up every decade stuff is very 1800s.
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« Reply #136 on: September 23, 2022, 12:37:56 AM »
When will the next census take place?  I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland,  there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.

2031

Will there even be another census? They're an old, slow, and expensive way of collecting information that the government already has in most instances.

The next decade should see big improvements in the way that data is managed and shared between various administrative sources. That will allow for faster, finer analyses of relevant information. This big round up every decade stuff is very 1800s.

Some other countries do this. But when do you ask the question about national identity? When you apply for a driving licence?
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« Reply #137 on: September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM »
To remove the census they’d need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.

I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there’s a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O’N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It’s happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I’ll say!

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« Reply #138 on: September 23, 2022, 08:56:34 AM »
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification

the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north  :-[
Brexit put paid to that , people are seeing the shit show thst the uk has become .
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« Reply #139 on: September 23, 2022, 08:57:50 AM »
If there's another election I reckon the DUP would come out on top this time  :(

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« Reply #140 on: September 23, 2022, 08:59:47 AM »
To remove the census they’d need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.

I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there’s a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O’N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It’s happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I’ll say!

This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time

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« Reply #141 on: September 23, 2022, 11:39:43 AM »
To remove the census they’d need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.

I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there’s a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O’N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It’s happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I’ll say!

This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time

I remember as a kid in the eighties John Hume telling Paisley to negotiate from a position of strength and got laughed out of the studio. How times have changed.

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« Reply #142 on: September 23, 2022, 11:45:17 AM »
To remove the census they’d need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.

I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there’s a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O’N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It’s happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I’ll say!

This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time

Unionism  doesn’t  have the  brains. Their strategy is appoint a head honcho, shout “never!” , “not an inch!”, wave their flag, before  they are replaced  , and the new leader   repeats the same mantra.  While the world and  demographics  change around them , their record  player is  stuck on “never!”

They are all  fearful of going down in  history as the leader  who lost NI  .

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« Reply #143 on: September 23, 2022, 12:25:09 PM »
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.
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« Reply #144 on: September 23, 2022, 12:29:06 PM »
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.

And one from Tyrone….reversal of the flight ….

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« Reply #145 on: September 23, 2022, 02:43:44 PM »
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.

Hope you're not predicting another flight of the earls.
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« Reply #146 on: September 23, 2022, 03:21:59 PM »
1607 to 2022 nicely bookends British power. Ni uasal agus iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal.
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« Reply #147 on: September 23, 2022, 03:35:15 PM »
A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It’s happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I’ll say!

Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?

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« Reply #148 on: September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM »
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
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« Reply #149 on: September 23, 2022, 10:31:16 PM »
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.

Them and the brit passport crew who only changed to beat the queue. We are miles off winning a referendum