Results out at 9.30am tomorrow morning for statistics including:
- Country of birth
- National identity
- Passports held
- Current religion
- Religion/religion of upbringing
- Language skills (including knowledge of Irish & Ulster-Scots)
Any predictions?
Take a stab at a few
Current religion
45% Catholics (51% upbringing)
44% Protestant (48% upbringing)
11% Other
National Identity
35% British only
35% Irish Only
20% Northern Irish only
Passports
800,000 Ireland
750,000 UK
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2022, 10:34:39 PM
Take a stab at a few
Current religion
45% Catholics (51% upbringing)
44% Protestant (48% upbringing)
11% Other
National Identity
35% British only
35% Irish Only
20% Northern Irish only
Passports
800,000 Ireland
750,000 UK
Was there a part that had joint passports?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 21, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Quote from: weareros on September 21, 2022, 10:34:39 PM
Take a stab at a few
Current religion
45% Catholics (51% upbringing)
44% Protestant (48% upbringing)
11% Other
National Identity
35% British only
35% Irish Only
20% Northern Irish only
Passports
800,000 Ireland
750,000 UK
Was there a part that had joint passports?
There are people who had British passports that decided to take out an Irish one to avoid queues in Spain, go on Eramus etc.
These results will create a bit of heat and light tomorrow, but are not really news to anyone who keeps in touch with things. However, there are going to be people who do not pay much attention who will notice this, including those in the 26 counties and Britain. I think it will be create a sense that NI is not going to last, even if you do not think that now is the time to close it down. For it to last then unionism has to keep the interest of people who are not from an Orange or Protestant background, there is little evidence of unionist parties being good at this or even wanting to do this.
Statistics can be used to prove anything.
In fact stats are a bit like beer - the cause.... and cure.... of all life's problems.
Quote from: Orior on September 21, 2022, 10:59:08 PM
Statistics can be used to prove anything.
Only to people who don't understand them. Those of us who went to the Abbey had an excellent mathematical education.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 22, 2022, 12:53:50 AM
Quote from: Orior on September 21, 2022, 10:59:08 PM
Statistics can be used to prove anything.
Only to people who don't understand them. Those of us who went to the Abbey had an excellent mathematical education.
You could argue that the Catholic population has risen while I argue that Catholics population growth is slowing down. Both are right but two different messages.
How many catholics want to remain in the union. See themselves as northern Irish.
Religion doesn't indicate voting intention but I see the bullshit has started already. Over on slugger, Mick seems to be have have had a brain fart (again). He has a whole article which basically tells us all that most of the others or none are actually Protestant. This is horse shit because as we know religion isn't the headline figure but community background. So even if you are atheist agnostic etc etc if your parents or grandparents were Catholic/ Protestant then you tick the appropriate box. The none and others are mainly children of mixed marriages or immigrants.
Yeah it has went from there will always be a majority of protestants to religion doesn't matter for voting intentions when there isn't a majority protestant any more.
Someone let me know if i can stop breeding. The child benefits great but theyre gettin a bugger to feed
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 08:07:49 AM
Someone let me know if i can stop breeding. The child benefits great but theyre gettin a bugger to feed
minimum taig family size is 4, so unless you're doubling the birthrate you need to keep going.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 08:04:03 AM
Yeah it has went from there will always be a majority of protestants to religion doesn't matter for voting intentions when there isn't a majority protestant any more.
Has GONE
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2022, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 08:04:03 AM
Yeah it has went from there will always be a majority of protestants to religion doesn't matter for voting intentions when there isn't a majority protestant any more.
Has GONE
;D
Quote from: snoopdog on September 22, 2022, 07:18:34 AM
How many catholics want to remain in the union. See themselves as northern Irish.
Rory McIlroy
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 08:42:33 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2022, 08:37:36 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 08:04:03 AM
Yeah it has went from there will always be a majority of protestants to religion doesn't matter for voting intentions when there isn't a majority protestant any more.
Has GONE
;D
Nothing like getting schooled by a Irish man on the Kings English ;D
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 22, 2022, 08:51:36 AM
Quote from: snoopdog on September 22, 2022, 07:18:34 AM
How many catholics want to remain in the union. See themselves as northern Irish.
Rory McIlroy
One? Sorted then, call the referendum
Quote from: johnnycool on September 22, 2022, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 08:07:49 AM
Someone let me know if i can stop breeding. The child benefits great but theyre gettin a bugger to feed
minimum taig family size is 4, so unless you're doubling the birthrate you need to keep going.
#wegoagain then so. Wife wont be happy but ill say johnnycool off the internet said so
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 09:00:33 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on September 22, 2022, 08:15:49 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on September 22, 2022, 08:07:49 AM
Someone let me know if i can stop breeding. The child benefits great but theyre gettin a bugger to feed
minimum taig family size is 4, so unless you're doubling the birthrate you need to keep going.
#wegoagain then so. Wife wont be happy but ill say johnnycool off the internet said so
This johnnycool practices what he preaches though.. ;)
Quick scan would have the headline figure at 46%C 43%P. To be honest I was expecting it to be about 48-42
Call the border poll ;D
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 22, 2022, 09:41:33 AM
Quick scan would have the headline figure at 46%C 43%P. To be honest I was expecting it to be about 48-42
17% with no stated religion is a fair jump from 10% last time.
So there we have it. For the first time since partition, it is confirmed that the state formed to ensure a permanent protestant majority in perpetuity, no longer has a protestant majority. Obviously it doesn't mean a border poll will be called and won in the morning, but no denying that it's a historically significant watermark.
45.7% Catholic
43.5 Protestant
Interestingly, there has been a 10% drop in Protestant since the 2001 population - a 5% drop between 2001 and 2011 and the same drop this time around.
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
63% increase in Irish passport holders in the last ten years.
Brtish passport holders down to 1 million, from 1.7 million in 2011.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
Plantation II ?
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
I'd imagine a combination of the older generations dying off and larger catholic/irish families affect this number more than a change in opinions.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
The other 18%? Foreigners or people who left it blank?or combinations of B or I or NI??
The "NI ish" and the Others (38% total) will be the decision makers in a Referendum.
Northern Irish my hole. Might as well identify as north east ulsterish. It doesnt exist as a nationality.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
TBH I would have thought that "NI Only" would have been well up this time, or maybe 21% last time was a high water mark?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
1. They've been greeting royals on visits here for the last ten years and the "N Irish" figure still dropped
2. I highly doubt that Michelle O'Neill meeting Charles last week will be at the forefront of peoples minds when they sit down to fill in a census form a decade from now.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
302,000 people in NI without a passport at all. Seems a lot but I suppose you've to think about the very young and very old.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
1. They've been greeting royals tipping the cap to the royals on visits here for the last ten years and the "N Irish" figure still dropped
2. I highly doubt that Michelle O'Neill meeting Charles last week will be at the forefront of peoples minds when they sit down to fill in a census form a decade from now.
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on September 22, 2022, 09:41:33 AM
Quick scan would have the headline figure at 46%C 43%P. To be honest I was expecting it to be about 48-42
17% with no stated religion is a fair jump from 10% last time.
You'd imagine this figure will grow. Majority of lapsed Catholic parents still getting their children baptised, and sending to a Catholic primary school, probably just as it's the done thing in the area - especially rurally.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made
They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made
They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals
If that's what you think a new Ireland would look like then you are completely deluded
There are hundreds of thousands people who are British who want to maintain links with Britain
What's your plan for these people in your new utopia?
Quote from: Franko on September 22, 2022, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
Hmm. I think if you objectively look at things last week then SF are not the party who would have things backfire on them and that is not to provoke a SF are great of horrendous argument here.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Time for the pro UI parties and people to start outlining their vision of what an All Ireland Entity will look like. Especially including what arrangements will be made for the 6 North Eastern Counties and those of British Identity who live there.
Quote from: Franko on September 22, 2022, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 10:10:43 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on September 22, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 10:00:58 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made
They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals
If that's what you think a new Ireland would look like then you are completely deluded
There are hundreds of thousands people who are British who want to maintain links with Britain
What's your plan for these people in your new utopia?
I made no comment on what a UI would look like. Where did you read that brain box?
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Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
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Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here
And they aren't good
And seriously?
What mainstream debates? Who put this point across?
Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:51:05 AM
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2022, 10:47:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:13:41 AM
Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
Funny, two people I work with from n.Belfast, both would share your brand of republicanism and both have Brit passports... maybe you're onto something!
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Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 09:55:17 AM
Identity - A significant drop in those regarding themselves as British only in the last ten years.
2011 - 2021
British - 40% - 31.86%
Irish - 25% - 29.16%
N. Irish (::)) - 21% - 19.78%
These are the figures that the DUP will work on
But these show the end is nigh as well. They can cling onto them for a little while longer if they wish. But they have to know that the writing is on the wall. I've waited long enough, I'm happy to wait a bit longer if we're going in the right direction.
Those are pretty damning even if they do work on them. A 15% gap down to a 2.7% gap. That's massive.I honestly think N. Irish would be down a year later too. I thought that centenary celebration stuff was extremely British and not very inclusive and will make a lot of people of a more nationalist persuasion to not call themselves northern Irish any more. Then the implications of Brexit and the toxicity round protocol stuff too.
The end is maybe nearer than we thought.
Fingers crossed. The DUP as leaders for the Unionist voice have talked themselves into a corner since 2016. The lack of long term planning by them has been surreal. Their reaction to live data has been to stick their fingers into their ears a little like EG and try and deny the direction everything is going. Surely even they can see the "what if" is increasing looking like "when" now.
That said, I can completely understand their reaction. They have little choice until the time comes when it is taken out of their hands. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Unionist sphere who is willing to stand up and say, OK, we want to remain in the union but it's increasingly looking like that may change. Therefore just in case, how do we protect our British identity in a new Ireland and how might that look?
There's bound to be a Hitler bunker, last throws of the dice video for this somewhere or in the process of being made
They shouldn't fret, because SF are clearly saying that in a future UI they are willing to maintain links to the Royals and the old colonial empire- they are not planning for a distinct nation which "breaks all ties with England" in line with the age old republican ideals
If that's what you think a new Ireland would look like then you are completely deluded
There are hundreds of thousands people who are British who want to maintain links with Britain
What's your plan for these people in your new utopia?
I made no comment on what a UI would look like. Where did you read that brain box?
What nation were you talking about here then?
Barbados?
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Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
;D Agree with you on this one!
Quote from: Rossfan on September 22, 2022, 10:48:41 AM
Time for the pro UI parties and people to start outlining their vision of what an All Ireland Entity will look like. Especially including what arrangements will be made for the 6 North Eastern Counties and those of British Identity who live there.
Long past time. A big help will be getting Micheál Martin stepping down and getting out of the way of progress. I see he's not going to bother appearing at the big gathering in the 3 Arena to discuss this very topic. Leaders of SF, FG, SDLP, Aontú and Labour all going to be present for it. Micheál must have another Penny's to go cut the ribbon at.
https://twitter.com/IrelandsFuture/status/1572528117025214465?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/IrelandsFuture/status/1572528117025214465?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Our local parish already looking at an overflow capacity for the Chapel with all the "Catholics" expected this Sunday.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:51:05 AM
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Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
Catholic? I'm sure there are plenty of non-catholics that have either a British or Irish passport
I'm actually a non practicing Catholic and didn't have my daughters christened I've distanced myself from the church a long time ago and put on the census as being identified as no religion (I think) but would vote for a UI tomorrow..
I think the main thing to concentrate on who identifies themselves as being British or Irish... Passports mean nothing I've plenty of prod friends who have them purely because of brexit
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
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"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
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"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
Rory McIlroy
Quote from: trailer on September 22, 2022, 11:07:27 AM
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"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
Rory McIlroy
Other that Irelands greatest golfer!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Not sure why they keep talking about these Catholic people in the headlines-baffling
I like it. Two fingers up to the DUP.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Not sure why they keep talking about these Catholic people in the headlines-baffling
It's hugely symbolic. Another nail in the coffin. Won't lead to anything directly but another squeaky bum moment for unionists.
Quote from: Franko on September 22, 2022, 10:52:44 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here
And they aren't good
And seriously?
What mainstream debates? Who put this point across?
Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count
Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
I'd say the vast vast majority on here would be in that category!
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2022, 11:27:21 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-62980394
Not sure why they keep talking about these Catholic people in the headlines-baffling
It's hugely symbolic. Another nail in the coffin. Won't lead to anything directly but another squeaky bum moment for unionists.
Its tongue in cheek from me lad in response to others
Much being read into these figures and how they're being interpreted all ways but lose and if anything short term comes off it then it has to be an acceptance by political unionism that the Irish tradition and culture is amongst them and if anything to prolong the union then it's better to accept that and work with that tradition than deny it's existence.
I think that's beyond them and they'll continue to back themselves in a corner until the inevitable comes in a UI and they'll gurn that no one is listening to them when they're the worst in the world for ignoring the reality around them.
I honestly think this year has been a stinker for unionism and those NI centenary celebrations have illustrated no acceptance to work with any Irish tradition. Donaldson or Foster couldn't even just celebrate it - they just had to take a dig at nationalism.
That's why I think the NI identity will reduce. Basically, once again, the DUP are furthering the cause of a UI - or expediting a referendum significantly at the very least.
Off on a bit of a tangent here but I would love to know how many acres of land are owned by British Only and how many are owned by Irish only. I suspect it would still be very predominately BO.
Not that it's got anything to do with anything, I'd just love to know how green the map is from a physical perspective.
Can we get this onto the next census? - after all if they can ask what your orientation is surely they can ask what acres/cattle you have.
I have 0 acres.
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 22, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
Off on a bit of a tangent here but I would love to know how many acres of land are owned by British Only and how many are owned by Irish only. I suspect it would still be very predominately BO.
Not that it's got anything to do with anything, I'd just love to know how green the map is from a physical perspective.
Can we get this onto the next census? - after all if they can ask what your orientation is surely they can ask what acres/cattle you have.
I have 0 acres.
I'd say there would still be a bit of British land owners in the south?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here
And they aren't good
And seriously?
What mainstream debates? Who put this point across?
Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count
Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void
OK, lets walk through this.... slowly
You said the proportion of people reporting as having an 'NI only' identity would increase because Michelle met Charlie a few days ago
You considered this a negative as you said that you 'hoped to be proved wrong'
So, unless you've become a unionist, the clear inference is that this increase in 'NI only' identity would come from a decrease in those of an 'Irish only' identity
You then posited that it was a theory that had been around in mainstream debates for 'a long time' (they met last week)
And then couldn't provide details of a single other person who had made this point
Please 'mark me down' as whatever you like
But for your own safety I'd get someone else to sharpen your crayon beforehand
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here
And they aren't good
And seriously?
What mainstream debates? Who put this point across?
Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count
Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void
OK, lets walk through this.... slowly
You said the proportion of people reporting as having an 'NI only' identity would increase because Michelle met Charlie a few days ago
You considered this a negative as you said that you 'hoped to be proved wrong'
So, unless you've become a unionist, the clear inference is that this increase in 'NI only' identity would come from a decrease in those of an 'Irish only' identity
You then posited that it was a theory that had been around in mainstream debates for 'a long time' (they met last week)
And then couldn't provide details of a single other person who had made this point
Please 'mark me down' as whatever you like
But for your own safety I'd get someone else to sharpen your crayon beforehand
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years. Again I cant see where I mentioned british at any time- I bemoaned the presence of a new third national identity- a fence sitter type.
And you really havent been listening at all to mainstream media if you totally missed to how a "normalised" NI including SF cosying up to the brits(in the open for once lol) has made people more comfortable ticking the NI box.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/forget-a-united-ireland-by-teatime-the-north-now-has-three-identities-42009026.html?
Today no less
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
His statement makes zero sense. It was a ham fisted attempt to have a go at SF and has now tied himself in knots. Logic never Fear's strongest point.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Its a further step- a big step- a big softening of even hardline SF tweeteratti class. Watch this space.
Its a small percentage drop in a period where population grew
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Its a further step- a big step- a big softening of even hardline SF tweeteratti class. Watch this space.
Its a small percentage drop in a period where population grew
You do understand percentages?
What's Nolan got to say about the whole thing?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Its a further step- a big step- a big softening of even hardline SF tweeteratti class. Watch this space.
Its a small percentage drop in a period where population grew
That's some straw clutching. Bottom line is you suggested SF attitudes to visiting British monarchs would lead to an
increase in the proportion of people who identify as "N. Irish" only minutes after finding out that in the ten years since SF started to meet these monarchs, the proportion of people calling themselves "N. Irish" has in reality
decreased.
Listening to BBC Talkback. Only took around 5 or 10 minutes into the show for a caller (the first caller) to announce that todays figures are all the fault of the IRA campaign.
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:25:22 PM
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Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Its a further step- a big step- a big softening of even hardline SF tweeteratti class. Watch this space.
Its a small percentage drop in a period where population grew
That's some straw clutching. Bottom line is you suggested SF attitudes to visiting British monarchs would lead to an increase in the proportion of people who identify as "N. Irish" only minutes after finding out that in the ten years since SF started to meet these monarchs, the proportion of people calling themselves "N. Irish" has in reality decreased.
noboby denying that was the case in 2021
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Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years.
And it was you who said their meeting royals would lead to an increase in the "N Irish" category. Which was an odd claim to make in the minutes after seeing the hard evidence that there has been in actual fact been a decline in the number of people calling themselves "N Irish" in the ten years since SF started meeting royals.
Its a further step- a big step- a big softening of even hardline SF tweeteratti class. Watch this space.
Its a small percentage drop in a period where population grew
You do understand percentages?
yes do you- we are talking a bout a few thousand less -nothing mad
Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 22, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
Off on a bit of a tangent here but I would love to know how many acres of land are owned by British Only and how many are owned by Irish only. I suspect it would still be very predominately BO.
Not that it's got anything to do with anything, I'd just love to know how green the map is from a physical perspective.
Can we get this onto the next census? - after all if they can ask what your orientation is surely they can ask what acres/cattle you have.
I have 0 acres.
I found this interesting. . . still hugely skewed between East and West (Except Belfast).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdQFfAuX0AEKTuB?format=jpg&name=small)
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Quote from: Aristo 60 on September 22, 2022, 11:45:21 AM
Off on a bit of a tangent here but I would love to know how many acres of land are owned by British Only and how many are owned by Irish only. I suspect it would still be very predominately BO.
Not that it's got anything to do with anything, I'd just love to know how green the map is from a physical perspective.
Can we get this onto the next census? - after all if they can ask what your orientation is surely they can ask what acres/cattle you have.
I have 0 acres.
I found this interesting. . . still hugely skewed between East and West (Except Belfast).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdQFfAuX0AEKTuB?format=jpg&name=small)
Have you the language breakdown
Those results are a part of the reason why we, antrim, do not feature very much in top end GAA!!
yeah that is very interesting. I wouldn't have thought armagh would have that demographic but none of the rest surprise me.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 01:00:18 PM
Those results are a part of the reason why we, antrim, do not feature very much in top end GAA!!
yeah that is very interesting. I wouldn't have thought armagh would have that demographic but none of the rest surprise me.
you're taking in Armagh which is pretty mixed along with the outlying areas like markethill, richhill Loughgall etc plus Banbridge as well. Not too surprising tbh
Quote from: Snapchap on September 22, 2022, 12:29:06 PM
Listening to BBC Talkback. Only took around 5 or 10 minutes into the show for a caller (the first caller) to announce that todays figures are all the fault of the IRA campaign.
i blame the church
Bin Lorry on TalkBack reckons some of the historical "problems" of the Northern Irish State have been "greatly exaggerated".
The one thing I hate that Jamie Bryson does is write an article for his 'unionist voices' page and then quote it on his own tweets as if it's coming from another source. Man's lost the run of himself a long time ago
Quote from: gallsman on September 22, 2022, 01:12:17 PM
Bin Lorry on TalkBack reckons some of the historical "problems" of the Northern Irish State have been "greatly exaggerated".
Gob-smackingly delusional is our Ben. But his thoughts are representative of many unionists.
If/when in 10years time the `Irish only' identity, is greater than the 'British only' identity, then the game is up. And the trend is only in 1 way
Does this mean DUP now live in a Catholic country?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 22, 2022, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
Someone on here years ago (Ulick I think) used the term "a la carte Catholicism" - I'd say that's most people nowadays. I "represent" as Catholic but a regular attendee at a Church of Ireland service is closer to catholicism than I am!
the aftermath of any referundum is what counts and how do you silence immature gloaters that may spark choas
Just looked at Jamie Bryson's Twitter feed for the craic ;D. The temptation to tell him and the likes of big Jim and Ben Lowry the fact that the census is already 18 months out of date!!!
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Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
Someone on here years ago (Ulick I think) used the term "a la carte Catholicism" - I'd say that's most people nowadays. I "represent" as Catholic but a regular attendee at a Church of Ireland service is closer to catholicism than I am!
Aye, but do you still find yourself wanting to bless yourself when driving past a Catholic Church?
I do that in in one place and one place only - where I'm from originally lol.
jpgjohnnyg I actually think there'd be a reasonable shift now. I thought the last year for unionism was a disaster and that centenary and it's celebrations were very non inclusive. I think that would shift a decent number from northern irish into irish.
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Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
"Wishy washy Catholics" . . .
Good turn of phrase but the more apt one is the "A la Carte Catholic" who gets married in a Chapel goes to weddings/funerals/Communions & Confirmations then not a whole pile else!!!
Who here actually identifies as being a 'proper' Catholic? and I mean proper, not that, oh I'll have that but not doing that, wee bit of this and defo not doing that?
Someone on here years ago (Ulick I think) used the term "a la carte Catholicism" - I'd say that's most people nowadays. I "represent" as Catholic but a regular attendee at a Church of Ireland service is closer to catholicism than I am!
Aye, but do you still find yourself wanting to bless yourself when driving past a Catholic Church?
Just got the daughters Communion programme so it looks like for the next year or so I'm a proper one!!!
It's tribal, about community. It's obviously not 100% like for like but generally Catholic = Irish = Nationalist. We all know it. Nobody, or almost nobody, in the North is filling out a census form questioning how much they believe in or question transubstantiation.
Reality is it has long been that as well. Regardless of higher mass attendance or adherence, very few on either side ever gave the slightest shite about differing religious views of the other. Being the other side was enough without getting worked up about the fact that their churches are boring as f**k inside and they rarely take communion.
Quote from: Solo_run on September 22, 2022, 01:20:22 PM
Does this mean DUP now live in a Catholic country?
A Protestant State for a Catholic people!!
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 12:08:36 PM
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Northern Irish-watch it grow next time, especially with SF antics
NI Only is down from 2011
I know.
I think it'll be the opposite Fear.
Hope so. Just think the last weeks behaviour with the Queens death will backfire that way-I want to be proved wrong on this.
What's the theory here?
Irish people will change their entire identity to essentially be MORE British in protest at Michelle meeting a British head of state? ;D
You were never the sharpest Fear but this is a proper 'give yer head a shake' moment
If it isnt Aristotle himself. What would you know about my intellect. This theory has been around in mainstream debates for a long time. A theory-you know that thing where people present philosophies etc.
Well I don't have a clue who you are so I can only judge from your posts on here
And they aren't good
And seriously?
What mainstream debates? Who put this point across?
Debates in Mary B's on a Monday afternoon don't count
Where did i even say anyone was being more british-I only talked about the ambiguous NI identity-imagine being called stupid by a stupid person lol, ill mark you down as null and void
OK, lets walk through this.... slowly
You said the proportion of people reporting as having an 'NI only' identity would increase because Michelle met Charlie a few days ago
You considered this a negative as you said that you 'hoped to be proved wrong'
So, unless you've become a unionist, the clear inference is that this increase in 'NI only' identity would come from a decrease in those of an 'Irish only' identity
You then posited that it was a theory that had been around in mainstream debates for 'a long time' (they met last week)
And then couldn't provide details of a single other person who had made this point
Please 'mark me down' as whatever you like
But for your own safety I'd get someone else to sharpen your crayon beforehand
As your side kick Snapchat said, they have been meeting 10 years. Again I cant see where I mentioned british at any time- I bemoaned the presence of a new third national identity- a fence sitter type.
And you really havent been listening at all to mainstream media if you totally missed to how a "normalised" NI including SF cosying up to the brits(in the open for once lol) has made people more comfortable ticking the NI box.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/forget-a-united-ireland-by-teatime-the-north-now-has-three-identities-42009026.html?
Today no less
Seriously? This is what you're going with?
Your nonsense only makes sense if you completely ignore the evidence in front of your eyes
Or, as is much more likely, you don't understand it
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
Thank you captain obvious. It works the other way too. However they
are indicators. That's the whole reason the results are headline news today.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
The vast majority? Not according to opinion polls. As I posted yesterday, the most recent one in fact has only 48% of people wanting to maintain the status quo. A greater proportion (52%) are either in favour of constitutional change immediately (41%) or are undecided (11%). More interestingly, 51% of people (which actually
IS a majority) said they want constitutional change in the next twenty years.
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Another stunning contribution from you.
Just seen there now proceedings against soldier F to resume! All and all it has been a bad day for political unionism.
Bryson having an absolute meltdown on twitter.
Quote from: trailer on September 22, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
Our local parish already looking at an overflow capacity for the Chapel with all the "Catholics" expected this Sunday.
You may get the chairs from the hall.
BBC "Census 2021: More from Catholic background in NI than Protestant"
Sky News "Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland for first time since its creation"
ITV News "Catholics outnumber Protestants for first time in Northern Ireland, Census reveals"
JOB of LBC "This, to me, feels like it could be the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom.' James O'Brien explains why Catholics outnumbering Protestants in Northern Ireland for the first time is of 'huge importance'."
Reuters UK "Northern Ireland has more Catholics than Protestants for first time"
The Times UK "More Catholics than Protestants in Northern Ireland, census shows"
Daily Mail "Historic shift for Northern Ireland as census shows Catholics outnumber Protestants for the first time since partition of the island, Megan Markle to blame"
Quote from: johnnycool on September 22, 2022, 03:13:01 PM
BBC "Census 2021: More from Catholic background in NI than Protestant"
Sky News "Catholics outnumber Protestants in Northern Ireland for first time since its creation"
ITV News "Catholics outnumber Protestants for first time in Northern Ireland, Census reveals"
JOB of LBC "This, to me, feels like it could be the beginning of the end of the United Kingdom.' James O'Brien explains why Catholics outnumbering Protestants in Northern Ireland for the first time is of 'huge importance'."
Reuters UK "Northern Ireland has more Catholics than Protestants for first time"
The Times UK "More Catholics than Protestants in Northern Ireland, census shows"
Daily Mail "Historic shift for Northern Ireland as census shows Catholics outnumber Protestants for the first time since partition of the island, Megan Markle to blame"
That catholic word again
I recall the ambigious NI identity had actually more people from a Catholic background in 2011. Anyone know if that breakdown is available yet?
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Another stunning contribution from you.
He's never been as far North as Mayo that lad, loves the Rory though
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Another stunning contribution from you.
He's not wrong.
I think we'll need the next Census results before a border poll will be called or before we have a realistic chance of winning one!
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Another stunning contribution from you.
He's not wrong.
I think we'll need the next Census results before a border poll will be called or before we have a realistic chance of winning one!
Looking that way
Quote from: screenexile on September 22, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Another stunning contribution from you.
He's not wrong.
I think we'll need the next Census results before a border poll will be called or before we have a realistic chance of winning one!
He claimed the "vast majority" want to keep the status quo. That is demonstrably very much wrong.
Every post the guy makes is antagonistic bullshit about northerners. Not even worth reading.
Quote from: general_lee on September 22, 2022, 10:53:33 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 10:51:05 AM
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Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
Funny, two people I work with from n.Belfast, both would share your brand of republicanism and both have Brit passports... maybe you're onto something!
They have never played gaelic or hurling, they are brought up on a diet of soccer and they when they talk about Liverpool or Arsenal they say "we". They read the Belfast Telegraph. They don't know what the Angelus is. They want to please the british. They think everyone from the country are bumpkins. Well, as a bumpkin, that's my experience anyway.
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Quote from: Pub Bore on September 22, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Passports
British Only - 47% (-10.0%)
Irish Only - 27% (+8%)
Brit & Irish - 5% (+2%)
Big indicator of how many wishy washy catholics we have here
I'd have thought a wishy washy Catholic as someone who claims to be religious but doesn't actually pray or go to mass.
Id never trust any catholic with a bristish passport to get us over the line- it appears there might be quite a few out there
Funny, two people I work with from n.Belfast, both would share your brand of republicanism and both have Brit passports... maybe you're onto something!
They have never played gaelic or hurling, they are brought up on a diet of soccer and they when they talk about Liverpool or Arsenal they say "we". They read the Belfast Telegraph. They don't know what the Angelus is. They want to please the british. They think everyone from the country are bumpkins. Well, as a bumpkin, that's my experience anyway.
Jesus they drive me mad. Especially the "we" bit. Usually size side of house too and wouldn't know if ball was blew up or stuffed.Earphones on
It will be interesting to see the breakdown of religion by age which has not been released for this census yet. In the last one, the oldest age groups were about 2/3 Protestant and the youngest age groups were majority Catholic. Last time age 36 and below there were more Catholic, 37 and above more Protestants
Too many people getting bogged down on the Catholic v Protestant percentage. I think the significant figure is that only one third of the population identify as British. Id say many declaring as Northern Irish are on a journey and if push came to shove world be more likely to go the way of a UI than remain in the UK
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 22, 2022, 06:53:40 PM
Too many people getting bogged down on the Catholic v Protestant percentage. I think the significant figure is that only one third of the population identify as British. Id say many declaring as Northern Irish are on a journey and if push came to shove world be more likely to go the way of a UI than remain in the UK
You could easily flip that and it wouldn't look good for us. Conjecture
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 22, 2022, 06:53:40 PM
Too many people getting bogged down on the Catholic v Protestant percentage. I think the significant figure is that only one third of the population identify as British. Id say many declaring as Northern Irish are on a journey and if push came to shove world be more likely to go the way of a UI than remain in the UK
Asking who is Celtic and who is Rangers would have been more statistically accurate.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 22, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 22, 2022, 06:53:40 PM
Too many people getting bogged down on the Catholic v Protestant percentage. I think the significant figure is that only one third of the population identify as British. Id say many declaring as Northern Irish are on a journey and if push came to shove world be more likely to go the way of a UI than remain in the UK
You could easily flip that and it wouldn't look good for us. Conjecture
Would say that bit that will give Unionists solace is:
British + British/NI Only = 40%
Irish + Irish/NI Only = 31%
Then you have 20% who are Northern Ireland Only (who did not take the option of Irish & NI Only). That would indicate a demographic who are happy with NI as its own thing and identity, the Rory types. That said, I believe more Catholics make up that grouping than Protestants, so it's also a grouping that could more heavily skew UI in a border poll when push comes to shove.
Referendums etc are not going to be a short term thing. That census for me is a massive shift. I also believe people in the middle will be shifted by the dup and a lot will have been this past year I would think. The dup have been doing wonders here and it doesn't look like they will change any time soon.
Long term the Protestants will in a clear minority. Emigration is really doing serious damage.
Anyone know when they plan to release breakdown across age sectors?
When will the next census take place? I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland, there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 22, 2022, 07:41:58 PM
Referendums etc are not going to be a short term thing. That census for me is a massive shift. I also believe people in the middle will be shifted by the dup and a lot will have been this past year I would think. The dup have been doing wonders here and it doesn't look like they will change any time soon.
I think at the time of the census last year the Protocol was seen to be in place and that the issues would be sorted out. A year and a half later it is clear that London has no intention of sorting them out and middle people are probably now more pissed off as a result.
Quote from: Substandard on September 22, 2022, 08:33:45 PM
When will the next census take place? I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland, there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.
2031
The way things are trending, and probably faster than many predicted, the 2031 census will be the final act that results in a border poll soon to follow thereafter. The next decade should be one of significant planning for what is likely to be an inevitable outcome - reunification of the island. With that timescale a real possibility, and any vote for unification taking several years to implement following the vote, 2035/36 is what I'd be betting on for the border to be gone ... I live in the hope of seeing that day arrive!
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Quote from: Substandard on September 22, 2022, 08:33:45 PM
When will the next census take place? I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland, there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.
2031
Will there even be another census? They're an old, slow, and expensive way of collecting information that the government already has in most instances.
The next decade should see big improvements in the way that data is managed and shared between various administrative sources. That will allow for faster, finer analyses of relevant information. This big round up every decade stuff is very 1800s.
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Quote from: Substandard on September 22, 2022, 08:33:45 PM
When will the next census take place? I'd imagine how the protocol plays out, and how Brexit evolves would determine where middle ground might lean.
There would need to be modelling of different possible outcomes in the event of a referendum, because while I'd be naturally drawn to the idea of a United Ireland, there would be so many things about implementing it that wouldn't even register with me, that would have obvious significance for either community or tradition in the 6 counties.
2031
Will there even be another census? They're an old, slow, and expensive way of collecting information that the government already has in most instances.
The next decade should see big improvements in the way that data is managed and shared between various administrative sources. That will allow for faster, finer analyses of relevant information. This big round up every decade stuff is very 1800s.
Some other countries do this. But when do you ask the question about national identity? When you apply for a driving licence?
To remove the census they'd need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.
I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there's a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O'N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 22, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
catholic/nationalist/identifying as Irish does not equal voting yes for reunification
the status quo is the only game in town for the vast majority of the north :-[
Brexit put paid to that , people are seeing the shit show thst the uk has become .
Nhs is broken / today the right wing torrid will destroy the universal credit .
Momentum is building and a poll will be here within the next 15 years
If there's another election I reckon the DUP would come out on top this time :(
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
To remove the census they'd need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.
I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there's a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O'N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
To remove the census they'd need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.
I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there's a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O'N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time
I remember as a kid in the eighties John Hume telling Paisley to negotiate from a position of strength and got laughed out of the studio. How times have changed.
Quote from: Itchy on September 23, 2022, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
To remove the census they'd need to be working in the replacement process already and I suspect there are too many vested interests in keeping the status quo in terms of the data collection.
I believe the next election will be very very telling, that is if Stormont gets up and running again. If the most recent election results are honoured or if there's a re-run in the next few months and they are honoured I suspect it will be a tumultuous time for M O'N as first minister but I think she will hold her own. The next election in the north and south will have a larger core of young voters, the current 15-18 year olds, many of whom will vote SF more so than other parties. I can see this having a big impact, particularly in the South. If you have SF with a majority, or at least a significant vote share on both sides of the border for a few elections on a row then there is a clear mandate. A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
This is the reality and if unionists had a brain in their heads theyd be cutting a deal now when they have some strength, not negotiate from a position of total weakness in 10 years time
Unionism doesn't have the brains. Their strategy is appoint a head honcho, shout "never!" , "not an inch!", wave their flag, before they are replaced , and the new leader repeats the same mantra. While the world and demographics change around them , their record player is stuck on "never!"
They are all fearful of going down in history as the leader who lost NI .
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.
And one from Tyrone....reversal of the flight ....
Quote from: seafoid on September 23, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
First time since the early 1600s that the Catholics have had a majority. It's interesting that an O'Neill is heading the biggest party.
Hope you're not predicting another flight of the earls.
1607 to 2022 nicely bookends British power. Ni uasal agus iseal ach thuas seal agus thios seal.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Them and the brit passport crew who only changed to beat the queue. We are miles off winning a referendum
22'000 Catholics in N Down - 9000 see themselves as Irish.
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:37:39 PM
22'000 Catholics in N Down - 9000 see themselves as Irish.
Shows you how many rich catholics living n Cultra
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
Wasn't aware of that. I'd thought saying you were 'NI' meant you were happy with the status quo but not Irish or British.
Was thinking the same - a sad indictment on those who need...justified.
On another note...Mid Ulster is the only area with more men than wemen. Silicon Valley?
The nationality question was added at last census for this exact reason. It muddys the waters, it gives unionism something to cling onto and helps take away from the elephant in the room of a 5% decrease with each 10 yr cycle. You have the carry on of everyone claiming the 'northern irish' for themselves. To be honest I'm surprised more people didn't tick all 3 nationalities.
We are de Gaels here in Derry city. Always a cert
36'000 Catholics in Mid-Ulster didn't put down Irish. OK, there are the European Catholics, but those added to the non-national identity prods = 16000. So 20000 at least are not Irish. Where are these bastids?
I think it's a disgrace that RTÉ prime time couldn't be arsed mentioning it. A momentous day and overlooked by Smart Meters. I get there's an energy crisis, but f**k me you'd think they'd have a few minutes about the census results announced yesterday.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2022, 12:34:28 AM
I think it's a disgrace that RTÉ prime time couldn't be arsed mentioning it. A momentous day and overlooked by Smart Meters. I get there's an energy crisis, but f**k me you'd think they'd have a few minutes about the census results announced yesterday.
Who runs RTE? They ain't interested
do you think losing the referendum could spark violence aswell
They be Polish, and others of Catholic faith who don't seem themselves as Irish cause they not but all their children will be in future.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
"I've a mate who's daughter....." .... such bull :D
Have you ever come across such a thing called entry criteria?
Has your mate's daughter completed the Irish Leaving certificate? no? then she should apply presenting her UK education credentials.
If you don't like any of this differential nonsense on this island then put your foot forward for a United Ireland, but could it be that you are one of those who are fearful about the price of an xray in a UI?
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 11:07:25 PM
On another note...Mid Ulster is the only area with more men than wemen. Silicon Valley?
Engineering industry around Dungannon. More like a mini Ruhr Valley.
Quote from: Eire90 on September 24, 2022, 01:12:09 AM
do you think losing the referendum could spark violence aswell
Depends on which side loses.
Quote from: Main Street on September 24, 2022, 04:04:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
"I've a mate who's daughter....." .... such bull :D
Have you ever come across such a thing called entry criteria?
Has your mate's daughter completed the Irish Leaving certificate? no? then she should apply presenting her UK education credentials.
If you don't like any of this differential nonsense on this island then put your foot forward for a United Ireland, but could it be that you are one of those who are fearful about the price of an xray in a UI?
In DCU they take all the southern students first... it's not bull, so they have the criteria that distinguishes between Irish in the north and south.. she ended up in Liverpool
It's ok I can well afford the X-ray or doctors appointments, would afford them plenty in a UI due to the medical service that's provided in the south
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: Main Street on September 24, 2022, 04:04:54 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
"I've a mate who's daughter....." .... such bull :D
Have you ever come across such a thing called entry criteria?
Has your mate's daughter completed the Irish Leaving certificate? no? then she should apply presenting her UK education credentials.
If you don't like any of this differential nonsense on this island then put your foot forward for a United Ireland, but could it be that you are one of those who are fearful about the price of an xray in a UI?
In DCU they take all the southern students first... it's not bull, so they have the criteria that distinguishes between Irish in the north and south.. she ended up in Liverpool
It's ok I can well afford the X-ray or doctors appointments, would afford them plenty in a UI due to the medical service that's provided in the south
Where have DCU got that criteria?
I find it unbelievable that Irish Universities do not apply the standard CAO system http://www.cao.ie/.
TCD's page for NI students https://www.tcd.ie/study/country/n-ireland/ (https://www.tcd.ie/study/country/n-ireland/)
'Students applying to Trinity from Northern Ireland in 2021/22 will be eligible for all of the places that will be filled in the normal way through the CAO system'[/i]
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
Genuinely not sure about that.
Trinity actually have certain courses the ones with over 600 needed with spaces for (NI) students because 4 astars only gets 600
Or whatever the score is .
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
Highest paid ref in antrim apparently! f**king joke
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
It might be worth clarifying what course it was, so we can check this. Was that this year? The Leaving Cert results being later caused huge problems to universities and and the "exchange rate" between grades and A levels may have been problematic.
AFAIK the only course with an explicit quota for NI students is UCD Veterinary.
From Google DCU have a McAleese scholarship and seem to have had a policy of getting more NI students.
He'd said she'd the results to get in... but they had to wait on all the places being taken by Irish students first..
Course she's doing now is politics and international business, not sure if that was the course she had chosen at DCU though, would be a variation of that I'd assume
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2022, 04:25:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
It might be worth clarifying what course it was, so we can check this. Was that this year? The Leaving Cert results being later caused huge problems to universities and and the "exchange rate" between grades and A levels may have been problematic.
AFAIK the only course with an explicit quota for NI students is UCD Veterinary.
From Google DCU have a McAleese scholarship and seem to have had a policy of getting more NI students.
Were getting off topic a little, but cross border university enrollments are at a historically very low level.
The Oireachtas Education Committee recently made some recommendations.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/press-centre/press-releases/20220713-joint-committee-on-education-further-and-higher-education-research-innovation-and-science-has-published-its-report-on-north-south-enrolment/
The drop in Northern students bucks the trend a little as there has been a huge surge in EU student applications post brexit.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/applications-from-eu-for-places-in-irish-universities-treble-since-brexit-41883548.html
Whole host of factors at play including cost/availability of accommodation, cost of living, changes in enrollment requirements, late CAO offers etc.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
Genuinely not sure about that.
Trinity actually have certain courses the ones with over 600 needed with spaces for (NI) students because 4 astars only gets 600
Or whatever the score is .
Do a Maths A-Level and you can get more than 600 points.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on September 24, 2022, 08:57:49 PM
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 23, 2022, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: naka on September 23, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2022, 10:04:55 PM
A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Chuckling our neighbours in the 26 don't see us as Irish either
Northern Irish isn't totally indicative of a unionist slant , my two teenage kids would want a united Ireland as much as the rest of us but when in Dublin at university they will say they are northern Irish because it's easier than trying to justify to southern people they are Irish .
I've a mate who's daughter couldn't get into DCU because she wasn't Irish, she has Irish passport and was born in Ireland..
Genuinely not sure about that.
Trinity actually have certain courses the ones with over 600 needed with spaces for (NI) students because 4 astars only gets 600
Or whatever the score is .
Do a Maths A-Level and you can get more than 600 points.
Exactly.
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU
Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.
Quote from: armaghniac on September 24, 2022, 11:33:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU
Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.
I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad
Maybe she /he didn't get the grades to get in
Just saying !
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 11:42:31 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: naka on September 24, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: grounded on September 24, 2022, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 24, 2022, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on September 24, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU
Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.
I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad
He said, she said. you're spouting vague remembered nonsense, unless you could offer actual evidence to support this apparent nonsense about Northern born Irish not regarded in the same light as southern Irish. The rules of admission to 3rd level courses in Ireland treat all Irish born as having at least the same opportunity to apply for courses according to the points criteria.
But that doesn't quite rhyme with the tired refrain of nordie irish mopery, being treated like 2nd class Irish in their own country, following a 100 years of neglect and abandonment ::)
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Example #3457 of Milltown Row telling strangers on an internet forum that he is well paid. Bizarre stuff :-\ :-\
He questioned whether I can pay for X-rays I said I can..
Back to what I was saying she met the criteria it's just all the places were taken first by the more Irish people in the south first.
There actually are quota systems in place for some irish university courses, particularly highly sought after courses like medicine, dentistry, Actuary etc but i think these are based on Irish/eu vs non-eu. I don't think there are any quota systems in place purely for 26 county students (but im open to correction)
Coincidentally Westminster did introduce a quota system for English students wanting to study in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.
I'm open to correction also in respect that I don't know the course she was on but did to not getting in she had to go to Liverpool as all the places were taken by 'Irish' students first and then if space it was given out to lesser Irish ones ;)
Guys one of my kids is on a course in trinity at which 2/3 spaces allocated to northern students because even with 4xa stars and extra points they didn't hit the entrance
So the southern universities are working to get nordies in.
Seems like trinity are doing their best. The college that's stopping plastics Irish is DCU
Maybe they are, but we would need to know more about the exact operation of this. The most likely explanation was that the ROI points went so high that somebody couldn't get in.
I can't say more, she got the results met the criteria and wasn't Irish enough to get in, there's no way they wanted to go to Liverpool, was all last minute for them getting over, luckily enough the ferry from Dublin allowed them passage so not all bad
I don't know if you're a liar or if she's a liar, but one of you is.
Nationality is completely and utterly irrelevant to DCU entry.
There are two categories, those who did the Leaving Certificate and those who didn't. Entry criteria are set for both. You either meet those or you don't, nationality has zero impact. There are thousands of southern Irish who go to Britain for university because they couldn't get their desired place in Ireland as they didn't get the points
N only telling you this as he told me, I'd not have known this only he was interested in where my daughter was staying.
Btw I know at least 2 students who are in trinity this year one doing medicine
Remember many yrs ago trying to apply to some tech in Dublin after A-Levels, couldn't get in cause I hadn't Irish GCSE. Ended up Jordanstown via Newcastle at the finish.
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A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?
This wasn't in the census but in the new school enrolment details for September. Essentially 50 % of 4-5 year olds were catholic. All voters by 2035, could we wait till then? There'll be 2 GEs north and south at least by the next census you'd have to think if SF built in the north and south and the trends in the current census maintain then there can only be one outcome
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A sizeable percentage of Catholics who don't see themselves as Irish was another big take from this, or prefer Northern Irish to Irish.
Them and the brit passport crew who only changed to beat the queue. We are miles off winning a referendum
Does miles= a generation? Or 10 years? Because I think the latter is more likely in terms of winning a UI referendum.
I get what you are saying re: the Brit passport crew, but there are way too many variables or unknowns at this stage to predict anything. Who In their right mind would ever have thought that the English(and they made up the bulk of the pro brexit uk population) would vote for Brexit?
The Brexit factor alone has given a huge boost to both the Scottish ind and UI referendum hopes. In fact Scottish independence would also give a huge boost to a UI referendum. Watching the car crash of the UK economy under the conservatives will be another.
Interesting to look at the polls for Scottish independence referendum
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1666645/scottish-independence-polls-25-years-devolution-nicola-sturgeon-snp-indyref2-spt
Huge swings, but inevitability heading one way eventually. Brexit will hopefully be the final push needed.
For me the argument for a UI hasn't even begun yet. At the end of the day there will only be 2 options on a United Ireland referendum yes or no( not Irish, northern irish, British, etc. I will be voting yes, because a UI makes perfect sense no matter what argument is put to me, but others will have to be persuaded.
What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 23, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
A huge stat from yesterday were the children starting school, 50% catholic, 31% Protestant, 19% other. They are voters by 2035/36. It's happening and it will speed up exponentially over the next decade and there is nothing anyone can do to stop the changing demographic. God Bless the Catholic Church and their approach to contraception is all I'll say!
Where did you see that, I couldn't find any religion/age breakdown information?
This wasn't in the census but in the new school enrolment details for September. Essentially 50 % of 4-5 year olds were catholic. All voters by 2035, could we wait till then? There'll be 2 GEs north and south at least by the next census you'd have to think if SF built in the north and south and the trends in the current census maintain then there can only be one outcome
The school breakdown is released every year and has been 50% - 35%. For about the last 10 yrs. We have all known these census results have been coming except the DUP and the newsletter ;D
Quote from: seafoid on September 25, 2022, 07:48:39 PM
What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
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What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
You might think the Alliance rep is a good one. You should not be precluding from voting for a good MLA or Coumcillor on the basis that this will prevent a border poll, otherwise every election becomes even more of the them and us than at present.
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What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
You might think the Alliance rep is a good one. You should not be precluding from voting for a good MLA or Coumcillor on the basis that this will prevent a border poll, otherwise every election becomes even more of the them and us than at present.
I agree but this is NI. No one votes on the basis of someone being good or bad at their job.
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What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
You might think the Alliance rep is a good one. You should not be precluding from voting for a good MLA or Coumcillor on the basis that this will prevent a border poll, otherwise every election becomes even more of the them and us than at present.
I agree but this is NI. No one votes on the basis of someone being good or bad at their job.
I think some Alliance voters do.
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What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
That's definitely the case for me living in East Belfast. I wouldn't identify as Northern Irish though.
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What do we know about the catholics who identify as N Irish ?What's the correlation with voting Alliance ?
I'd say those who vote Alliance live in staunchly unionist areas. Couldn't imagine many voting Alliance where a realistic Nationalist alternative exists.
That's definitely the case for me living in East Belfast. I wouldn't identify as Northern Irish though.
Same down here in Strangford, big nationalist vote would go to Alliance rather than the SDLP (who'd still get a big enough vote from the older nationalists) and SF who put up token candidates.
Lads there are a plethora of Eastern Europeans living in the north, at a guess 35K and Catholic!
Do we count them as Catholics in this Census? It would throw the figures out by about 1.75%.
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Lads there are a plethora of Eastern Europeans living in the north, at a guess 35K and Catholic!
Do we count them as Catholics in this Census? It would throw the figures out by about 1.75%.
Just need to make sure we get them voting in our favour in a border poll!
35k could be conservative!
OK me and the lads at the kneebreakers have been looking over the census stats and it is quite clear the Union is safe.
1. 46% are brought up catholic but as mentioned above at least 5% of that are not Irish catholic ie Polish, Filipino etc and quite clearly these people will vote for the EU ,multicultural loving DUP so that's 5% for Unionism
2. There are 12% who are neither brought up as Catholic or Protestant, these people are ALL lapsed Protestants. It doesn't matter that you can tick religion none and then Protestant brought up as on the census, it is quite clear that this 12% are indeed lapsed Protestants who cant fill in a census form correctly and in no way could be anything else so another 12% for Unionism
3. 19% see themselves as Northern Irish. Northern IRISH quite clearly means you are not Irish and want nothing to do with Ireland and are therefore British so another 19% for Unionism
4. About 18% at the last election voted Alliance/Green/PBP. It doesn't matter that they transfer heavily to nationalist parties they just dont understand STV elections and ticked SF or SDLP by accident as second choice instead of TUV. That's another 18% for Unionism.
5. No real Poll has shown anything for Unity to be over 30%. Those lucid talk polls that have Unity at 45-50% and nail the assembly election results to 1% are clearly flawed. They are internet based and as good aul Sammy Wilson pointed out, most Protestants dont have access to the internet. The only poll in town of course is NILT. A poll that often has SF polling at around half of what they get at elections. This is very accurate as it accounts for the huge vote SF actually gets from the grave. The fact that it is face to face is also much better than an anonymous based internet poll. I mean how many elections do you go to and have an anonymous vote its quite clear that in the Donbass there is a nice Russian soldier over looking your shoulder to make sure you tick the right box.
I personally think the older the NILT survey you use the more accurate it is. I would recommend a copy of the 1973 version that will have support for the Union even higher
6. Castle Catholics. My accurate thumb in the wind strategy suggests that 70% of Catholics will vote to retain the Union. No Protestant will vote for a UI because they wont achieve anything down there and its not like any of them would get close to being president or anything else important for that matter.
7. Finally we must not forget about the 350000 garden centre Protestants who dont vote at elections but will come and save the union at referendum time. Its a shame all 350000 were too busy at the garden centre when the census man knocked on the door.
With all these stats I have entered them into a computer, obviously one I dont own but one I borrowed form Alex Maskey, he has 3.
The results show that for a Unity referendum to go ahead at the next census Catholics need to be at 174.56%.
I know this figure is below what Jamie and Jim want but I think it is accurate.
Ps If you see Ben tell him to stop copying my homework and putting it in his paper.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on September 26, 2022, 11:50:24 PM
Lads there are a plethora of Eastern Europeans living in the north, at a guess 35K and Catholic!
Do we count them as Catholics in this Census? It would throw the figures out by about 1.75%.
Just need to make sure we get them voting in our favour in a border poll!
35k could be conservative!
There are 6% of people with "Other National Identities' so they could be material in a poll. At present a lot of them do not vote and cannot vote in some elections, so I expect some debate about exactly who could vote in a border poll.
One of the most difficult aspects of a United Ireland will relate to choosing a national anthem
This
https://youtu.be/yK0Zqt8mXs4
Or this
https://youtu.be/8SwDo0ecEk8
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One of the most difficult aspects of a United Ireland will relate to choosing a national anthem
This
https://youtu.be/yK0Zqt8mXs4
Or this
https://youtu.be/8SwDo0ecEk8
You reckon that's really one of the most difficult things?