Power Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
I would have Armagh Tyrone and Donegal all ahead of Galway
Galway beat Tyrone though.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Quote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 03:55:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Galway's stars of 2022 are on the decline due to age or injuries. 2022 was their peak imo but only time will tell. You are asking a lot for them to get people match fit, patterns of play establish etc having not played all year. 2 to 8 could beat eachother, not sure about including 9 and 10 in that, there is a definite drop off after 8 for me.
I don't think Kerry are ahead of Derry either now or in the summer and I thought the same last year too - we should have won that AI semi. Granted i'm biased.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Armagh
5. Donegal
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Cavan
14. Meath
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 25, 2024, 02:55:09 PMPower Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
Ros finished ahead of Monaghan.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 25, 2024, 04:12:17 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 25, 2024, 02:55:09 PMPower Rankings as of league end.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Mayo
5. Galway
6. Tyrone
7. Donegal
8. Armagh
9. Monaghan
10. Roscommon
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Meath
14. Cavan
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
17. Fermanagh
18. Kildare
19. Clare
20. Sligo
21. Laois
22. Antrim
23. Wexford
24. Leitrim
25. Offaly
26. Longford
27. Wicklow
28. Limerick
29. Carlow
30. Tipperary
31. London
32. Waterford
33. New York
Any disagreements let me know?
Ros finished ahead of Monaghan.
Monaghan showed more promise in their remaining two games to edge them above the Rossies.
Before that Roscommon were a good bit ahead.
Roscommons bad trimming yesterday didnt help.
Quote from: Mario on March 25, 2024, 04:03:51 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 03:55:16 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on March 25, 2024, 03:24:49 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 25, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGalway beat Tyrone though.
Tyrone also beat Mayo, who are ahead of them
Granted, Tyrone are a funny team , but in terms of who are more likely to win the AI , Galway or Tyrone, i'd Say Tyrone. Tyrone are more likely to win the AI than Mayo too.
Wicklow are more likely than Mayo lol.
I think Galway with a full deck are very close to Kerry/Dublin, but as things stand they're probably below us and Donegal. Hard to know with Tyrone, they've got some class forwards. Think anyone from 2nd to 10th could beat each other and not a whole pile in it. Derry second based on the league but still think Kerry will be ahead of them come summer time.
Galway's stars of 2022 are on the decline due to age or injuries. 2022 was their peak imo but only time will tell. You are asking a lot for them to get people match fit, patterns of play establish etc having not played all year. 2 to 8 could beat eachother, not sure about including 9 and 10 in that, there is a definite drop off after 8 for me.
I don't think Kerry are ahead of Derry either now or in the summer and I thought the same last year too - we should have won that AI semi. Granted i'm biased.
1. Dublin
2. Derry
3. Kerry
4. Armagh
5. Donegal
6. Mayo
7. Tyrone
8. Galway
9. Roscommon
10. Monaghan
11. Cork
12. Down
13. Cavan
14. Meath
15. Louth
16. Westmeath
hard to rank Monaghan so far below us when we obviously lost on penalties to them last year, I know Beggan is a huge loss and they'd a tough league but they won't be far away from anyone on a big day come championship time. Don't think we've done enough to be ranked ahead of Mayo either but like I say most of the top teams arent far off each other and will probably come down to injuries and what goes right on the day.
Derry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
You appear to be absolutely fixated with Derry. Why is that?
The Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
We usually get beat by Galway in the semis but I can't see that being a problem this year.
Galway full out would take Derry. Not sure they will be this year tho
Quote from: NotedObserver on March 25, 2024, 08:22:39 PMGalway full out would take Derry. Not sure they will be this year tho
Would be some shoot out that's for sure. Wouldn't be a kick of a ball in it I don't think
Last time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
Galway full out not going to happen though. They're miles away at the minute.
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 25, 2024, 07:19:10 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
You appear to be absolutely fixated with Derry. Why is that?
In the old days if a team did the iterations they would often win Sam. Derry are doing the iterations. But Dublin don't care about stuff like that. There is a glass ceiling. Ranking Derry second ignores the big picture. It was always hard to win the all Ireland but it is even harder now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Apologies, don't know why but I had in my head Derry were beat by far more that day.
I think a full strength Galway versus Derry would be worth watching
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:34:17 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:49 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 09:15:29 PMLast time Galway were on top form was probably 2022 and they tanked Derry. No chance that would happen now but would be some game alright. Doubtful if Galway will hit that form again anytime soon given the injuries to key men.
21 points is a tanking as seen at the weekend, 5 certainly is not
Apologies, don't know why but I had in my head Derry were beat by far more that day.
We didn't have the greatest 2nd half to be fair
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
Quote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 08:41:32 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
A Very envious position for 31 other teams.
So I am not complaining.
Quote from: Derryman forever on March 26, 2024, 08:45:55 AMQuote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 08:41:32 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2024, 07:15:26 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 25, 2024, 06:28:51 PMDerry haven't won an all Ireland semifinal since 1993 afaik. The last 4 times Derry won the League they didn't win Sam.
they wont win it this year either but I do think the league final will also be the AI final
You've the 2 form teams in the country playing on Sunday, and could very well (taking nothing for granted of course) meet again in an AI final. You'd have very short odds on Dublin doing the double, seriously long odds on Derry doing the double. That's the position Derry is in
A Very envious position for 31 other teams.
So I am not complaining.
It's the stuff of dreams
Quote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
I'm surprised to see Armagh above Donegal and Tyrone. I suspect that is reflected in the handier run to the Ulster Final. I'd say all 3 would fancy themselves v Galway and Mayo despite the gap int he betting.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
They're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Monaghan aren't quite top four but they'd Beggan and McManus there and with McManus especially they always had a chance. They were (not are mind you) closer to top four than Roscommon ever were tbh.
It also depends on your draw but it isn't a failure for Roscommon to not get to a semi final. They're top 8ish. It would take quite a run of luck to get there. It just reads that they're a failure when I don't think they are at all.
I can't recall exactly who Tipp beat to get there for them to merit an asterix...
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Quote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 12:06:28 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Trust me I know we are a lot worse than the Rossies; but theres no hype about us.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 12:04:52 PMMonaghan aren't quite top four but they'd Beggan and McManus there and with McManus especially they always had a chance. They were (not are mind you) closer to top four than Roscommon ever were tbh.
It also depends on your draw but it isn't a failure for Roscommon to not get to a semi final. They're top 8ish. It would take quite a run of luck to get there. It just reads that they're a failure when I don't think they are at all.
I can't recall exactly who Tipp beat to get there for them to merit an asterix...
Covid year meant it was easier to get there.
They beat Galway in the quarter finals in 2016 which was a very impressive result and in the manner they did it too.
Ah yes covid year.
Basically for roscommon, and anyone else, to get to the semi final they need to avoid derry, dublin and kerry in any knock out match. They then probably need to meet someone of comparable level in the knockout to get through. Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, possibly Donegal and Armagh would likely be too much.
Have we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Quote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Has Mark Mchugh been much of a loss?; Was he bringing much to the setup?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:15:18 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 26, 2024, 12:06:28 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:40:25 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 11:37:26 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 11:01:28 AMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 10:50:45 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 10:18:48 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2024, 10:52:39 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 25, 2024, 10:49:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on March 25, 2024, 07:51:07 PMThe Paddy Power Ranking
Dublin 13/8
Kerry 5/2
Derry 11/2
Galway 9/1
Mayo 10/1
Armagh 20/1
Donegal 22/1
Tyrone 25/1
Roscommon 80/1
Cork 100/1
Monaghan 100/1
I'm not sure that Galway/Mayo are hugely better than Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone but one of them will be Connacht champions and that has seeding advantages.
Wouldn't totally rule out Roscommon out. Won Connacht in 2017 and 2019 off the back of Division one relegation.
Mayo would be my bet, but the Rossies have forwards to trouble anyone.
The Rossies will have a big Connacht Championship as per usual.
Then disappear once the big boy stuff starts come All Ireland stage.
"Watch out
They'll tear your insides out"
Davy Burke has been planning for the last 9 months.
He is a really good coach. He practices scenarios over and over.
The odds reflect information that the power ranking does not.
If they get to a semi final I will eat my words.
Whats stopping them from making the next step; they certainly have the forwards to do so.
Small margins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUXCHlZ8ZPc
Only an excuse.
What about the Cork game?
or Clare in 2022
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:00:30 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 11:45:29 AMThey're not a top four team is what's stopping them getting to a semi final. They are a decent side tbf to them but just not quite that level. It's not a failure.
Would you say Monaghan are a top 4 team though? or even Tipperary.
Both have made 2 semis finals in recent years albeit one of Tipps had an astrix.
Roscommon should reach out to Cavan for a few pointers
Trust me I know we are a lot worse than the Rossies; but theres no hype about us.
Who's hyping Roscommon?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 26, 2024, 12:24:56 PMAh yes covid year.
Basically for roscommon, and anyone else, to get to the semi final they need to avoid derry, dublin and kerry in any knock out match. They then probably need to meet someone of comparable level in the knockout to get through. Tyrone, Mayo, Galway, possibly Donegal and Armagh would likely be too much.
Exactly. There are 11 teams who can expect to make the top 12 resulting from the group stages, this year's Div 1 + Armagh, Donegal and perhaps Cork. Last year Sligo, Clare , Westmeath and Louth did not make it to the final 12 and something the same will happen this year. Three of the preliminary QFs last year had one point margins, pne nad pass or ball dropped and the result might have been different.
The Sam series is actually quite competitive other than Dublin are going to win it.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
#plámás
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1769413387094458851
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 26, 2024, 12:40:25 PMQuote from: Rossfan on March 26, 2024, 12:37:44 PMHave we begun the slide as our early to mid 2011 to 16 Minor/u21 silver generation reach retirement age?
That group won Connachts at the 3 Grades but never quite cut it at AI level.
Next year could see us without a Smith, Daly or Murtagh so it could be back down among the small Counties with populations of under 100k or the hurley Counties.
But let's have one last cut at it Davy....
Has Mark Mchugh been much of a loss?; Was he bringing much to the setup?
They say he's a massive loss.
But even if he is can't we repeat his formula from last year?
I think Roscommon got a few very good forwards, but their system of play to counter attack is way too slow, and if the other team is already set up, they rely heavily on Enda Smith to break the lines to work a score against a defensive minded team.
Roscommon last year played a controlled possession based game making them competitive against all Div 1 teams in league and championship. Since the Dublin draw in May and the daft media talk that followed it they have gone away from that. Burke has come out since to say that way of playing wasn't his style which suggests it was the style of one if not two of the coaches that left.
This year are a disjointed and unorganized team. They are currently a team that don't make themselves hard to score against and a forward line that struggling without Ben O'Carroll,Ciaran Murtagh and Cian McKeon. Lack of midfield also with Eddie Nolan opting out and Keith Doyle injured. No surprise with all of that Roscommon were relegated and it will be a struggle for Davy Burke to turn things around and to get much of impact out of his team the upcoming championship.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:02:22 PMRoscommon last year played a controlled possession based game making them competitive against all Div 1 teams in league and championship. Since the Dublin draw in May and the daft media talk that followed it they have gone away from that. Burke has come out since to say that way of playing wasn't his style which suggests it was the style of one if not two of the coaches that left.
This year are a disjointed and unorganized team. They are currently a team that don't make themselves hard to score against and a forward line that struggling without Ben O'Carroll,Ciaran Murtagh and Cian McKeon. Lack of midfield also with Eddie Nolan opting out and Keith Doyle injured. No surprise with all of that Roscommon were relegated and it will be a struggle for Davy Burke to turn things around and to get much of impact out of his team the upcoming championship.
Last year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMLast year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Don't think it was possible to do a alot of training last year before the league when the appointment was made so late and wasn't Burke still involded with Maynooth college?
Would have cared about that league and it simply became uphill challenge to avoid relegation once they lost to Tyrone in round 1 and only drew with Galway at home in round 2.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:42:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMLast year Roscommon did a lot of pre season training and hit the ground running in the league, winning 3 on the trot. They ran out of gas over 8 days in June, losing 2 matches by a point.
This year Brigids got to the all Ireland final and Roscommon didn't care about the league ....
Don't think it was possible to do a alot of training last year before the league when the appointment was made so late and wasn't Burke still involded with Maynooth college?
Would have cared about that league and it simply became uphill challenge to avoid relegation once they lost to Tyrone in round 1 and only drew with Galway at home in round 2.
Nobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Quote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:59:17 PMNobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Monaghan were missing too many of last year All-Ireland semi final team and no surprise they got relegated. Get the majority of those players back and they should at least reach the last 8 this summer.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 10:07:54 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:59:17 PMQuote from: Cunny Funt on March 26, 2024, 09:42:03 PMQuote from: seafoid on March 26, 2024, 09:22:38 PMNobody knew what was in store this time last year. Monaghan got to the semi final last year and were relegated recently. Did their form fall off a cliff or did they do things differently this year so far?
Monaghan were missing too many of last year All-Ireland semi final team and no surprise they got relegated. Get the majority of those players back and they should at least reach the last 8 this summer.
So far how do you think Roscommon will go ?
Roscommon you'd imagine will be in the last 12. After that depends who they draw.
Monaghan are missing beggan, Kieran hughes is retired, McManus is being used sparingly due to hip issues and a fella is away to Aussie rules I think.
We've seen every team play championship football so I thought I'd update the rankings.
1. Dublin - No Change
2. Kerry - Up 1 Place
3. Derry - Down 1 Place
4. Donegal - Up 3 Places
5. Mayo - Down 1 Place
6. Armagh - Up 2 Places
7. Tyrone - Down 1 Place
8. Galway - Down 3 Places
9. Cavan - Up 5 Places
10. Monaghan - Down 1 Place
11. Cork - No Change
12. Roscommon - Down 2 Places
13. Down - Down 1 Place
14. Louth - Up 1 Place
15. Meath - Down 2 Places
16. Sligo - Up 4 Places
17. Westmeath - Down 1 Place
18. Kildare - No Change
19. Clare - No Change
20. Fermanagh - Down 3 Places
21. Offaly - Up 4 Places
22. Wexford - Up 1 Place
23. Laois - Down 2 places
24. Wicklow - Up 3 Places
25. Antrim - Down 3 Places
26. Leitrim - Down 2 Places
27. Longford - Down 1
28. Limerick - No Chnage
29. Carlow - No Change
30. Waterford - Up 2 Places
31. Tipp - Down 1 Place
32. London - Down 1 Place
33. New York - No Change
Thoughts?
Arguably, Cork came closer to Kerry than Monaghan did to Cavan, so they should swap places in the ranking.
Down are bit high I'd say somewhere between 20 and 15.