Tv / film spoilers

[leenie]

Thought we could use this thread to discuss tv / films we've seen , without spoiling them in recommendation threads.

Regarding death on a staircase I'm puzzled as to why there was a camera crew there ? Here's a murder grab  your camera? Did his defende team organize for it to documented and it just so happens there is many twist and turns like what happened in Germany?
Who thinks he was guilty ?

[Puckoon]

What happens if you come in to discuss a movie or TV show and you get a spoiler for one you've not seen?

[AZOffaly]

Lads, say nothing, but Darth Vader is LUKE SKYWALKER'S FATHER!!!!!!

[screenexile]

[The Iceman]

What happens if you come in to discuss a movie or TV show and you get a spoiler for one you've not seen?

we could start a thread for every single tv show and film - just to make sure.....
I call dibs on starting the Roadhouse thread!!!! Puck gets Moonlight!

[Puckoon]

Absolutely Spoiler Russian Roulette!

Moonlight was weird.

[macdanger2]

Thought we could use this thread to discuss tv / films we've seen , without spoiling them in recommendation threads.

Regarding death on a staircase I'm puzzled as to why there was a camera crew there ? Here's a murder grab  your camera? Did his defende team organize for it to documented and it just so happens there is many twist and turns like what happened in Germany?
Who thinks he was guilty ?

Yeah, I thought the filming of it was bizarre, they seemed to have all sorts of access too, maybe because it was a high profile case?

I thought initially he was guilty but I thought the defence picked enough holes to create a reasonable doubt - particularly the absence of skull fractures. Obviously though, the filming is biased in favour of the defendant. I thought the Germany case shouldn't have been admitted at all.

The whole process of dummy juries, etc. really shows you the difference it makes when you have money behind you.

[Main Street]

Thought we could use this thread to discuss tv / films we've seen , without spoiling them in recommendation threads.

Regarding death on a staircase I'm puzzled as to why there was a camera crew there ? Here's a murder grab  your camera? Did his defende team organize for it to documented and it just so happens there is many twist and turns like what happened in Germany?
Who thinks he was guilty ?

I think you only had a one track mind, to discuss Death on a Staircase

Staircase 2 is absolutely a must see if you are to have opinions about court guilt or innocence.
In Staircase 1  imo, there's not enough convincing evidence presented in court to convict beyond a reasonable doubt.
In Staircase 2 a large part of the key FBI evidence (on blood splatter) used to convict, is thoroughly "Skused" (discredited).

However, just because there's not enough evidence to convict, does not mean he was innocent.  We certainly can't trust the documentary to have presented an unbiased account. In Peterson's favour is that outside conjecture and prejudice there is an absence of motive, there is the diehard support of his children and their belief in him, along with that the family members of the dead wife on the opposite side are nasty people.
His legal team believed in his innocence, his lawyer and a few others worked pro-bono to get him released and set up the appeal.
Peterson has always maintained his innocence to the extent that he is refusing  to sign a prosecutor  plea deal for simple assault, which would result in the case being closed and him being free forever.
I look forward to Staircase 111.

[macdanger2]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

[Main Street]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

Conjecture,
where is the evidence that he was being outed as a bisexual? where is the evidence that his wife was not au-fait with his sexuality? where is the evidence that this was an issue of discord at that time in their lives?
The evidence from children and everybody else was that their relationship was very good. Nobody bore witness to the theory that his bi-sexuality was an issue and therefore a possible motive.

[macdanger2]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

Conjecture,
where is the evidence that he was being outed as a bisexual? where is the evidence that his wife was not au-fait with his sexuality? where is the evidence that this was an issue of discord at that time in their lives?
The evidence from children and everybody else was that their relationship was very good. Nobody bore witness to the theory that his bi-sexuality was an issue and therefore a possible motive.

True. But if she had just discovered it, then IMO it would be a plausible motive.

The (lack of) physical evidence is why I would be loathe to convict him - no murder weapon, no defensive injuries on her arms (that we were told about), skull not fractured and no marks/cuts on him

[Main Street]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

Conjecture,
where is the evidence that he was being outed as a bisexual? where is the evidence that his wife was not au-fait with his sexuality? where is the evidence that this was an issue of discord at that time in their lives?
The evidence from children and everybody else was that their relationship was very good. Nobody bore witness to the theory that his bi-sexuality was an issue and therefore a possible motive.

True. But if she had just discovered it, then IMO it would be a plausible motive.

The (lack of) physical evidence is why I would be loathe to convict him - no murder weapon, no defensive injuries on her arms (that we were told about), skull not fractured and no marks/cuts on him

The "If" is the conjecture and therefore that's not a plausible motive.

[leenie]

When they found the poker stick in the garage , I started to think was I watching a sort of 'Blair witch' documentary,  how was that missed

[macdanger2]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

Conjecture,
where is the evidence that he was being outed as a bisexual? where is the evidence that his wife was not au-fait with his sexuality? where is the evidence that this was an issue of discord at that time in their lives?
The evidence from children and everybody else was that their relationship was very good. Nobody bore witness to the theory that his bi-sexuality was an issue and therefore a possible motive.

True. But if she had just discovered it, then IMO it would be a plausible motive.

The (lack of) physical evidence is why I would be loathe to convict him - no murder weapon, no defensive injuries on her arms (that we were told about), skull not fractured and no marks/cuts on him

The "If" is the conjecture and therefore that's not a plausible motive.

Is speculation about motive not always conjecture to some degree or other without a confession?

I think it's plausible even if it's not proven - one of the definitions of plausible is "imaginable or within the bounds of possibility". That there was gay porn on the pc in the house means it's possible she found out about and if there was enough physical evidence to support it, then IMO it would become probable motive. I wouldn't consider it to be the biggest hole in the case.

Regardless of the truth, it must have been very difficult on the children, particularly the two girls.

Between watching this and the OJ documentary, I have a lot less faith in trial by jury - is it really fair to ask 12 average people to sit through months and months of long winded technical arguments and come up with the correct answer??

[Main Street]

Would being outed as bisexual not qualify as a motive? Remember that this is north Carolina 15 years ago

Conjecture,
where is the evidence that he was being outed as a bisexual? where is the evidence that his wife was not au-fait with his sexuality? where is the evidence that this was an issue of discord at that time in their lives?
The evidence from children and everybody else was that their relationship was very good. Nobody bore witness to the theory that his bi-sexuality was an issue and therefore a possible motive.

True. But if she had just discovered it, then IMO it would be a plausible motive.

The (lack of) physical evidence is why I would be loathe to convict him - no murder weapon, no defensive injuries on her arms (that we were told about), skull not fractured and no marks/cuts on him

The "If" is the conjecture and therefore that's not a plausible motive.

Is speculation about motive not always conjecture to some degree or other without a confession?
I think it's plausible even if it's not proven

Proof is not the requirement, evidence to support the plausibility of a motive is a requirement
There is no other evidence to support that theory. There is no evidence that the wife discovered this gay porn, confided in anybody about husband's infidelity, that the husband has temper issues, that they rowed.
Whereas there is plenty of evidence to the contrary that their marriage was good and both were happy.

one of the definitions of plausible is "imaginable or within the bounds of possibility". That there was gay porn on the pc in the house means it's possible she found out about and if there was enough physical evidence to support it, then IMO it would become probable motive. I wouldn't consider it to be the biggest hole in the case.

The prosecution is required to offer evidence to support the plausibility of their alleged motive.
"Within the realms of possibility" is very very weak.
  but presenting that alleged motive had a much wider agenda, it allowed the prosecution the opportunity to present all that evidence of gay porn, bi-sexuality and some infidelity.