Leinster Championship 2020

[dublin7]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

[Milltown Row2]

I'll ask one more time otherwise I'll not debate with you, as you are avoiding by saying they are full time athletes, they ain't.. teachers have it easier

Do Tyrone have the things I've mentioned? It's a simple yes or no. Even for you it's simple

[Angelo]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

[sid waddell]

Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor

Teachers,

No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.

So either dig or don't

Is that you Donald?

Is that you Ewan?

[dublin7]

I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.

Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.

There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.

The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.

Stephen Cluton teaches physics and science. Do you think the school principal would allow him to take a few weeks off or not show up for work as playing for Dublin is more important. (Not that he'd even consider it)

Based on the Covid threads I thought you were just one of those conspiracy nuts who's full of nonsense. No sensible person could honestly believe your theory

[sid waddell]

I think most of us are smart enough to know how it works with Dublin.

Talented player comes in the panel and they say they are not able to give it the required commitment due to work demands or that. If management sees them as an important part they will tell them not to worry and sort them out with a fairly well paid no/low show job. That's how it works for Dublin.

There will be a certain amount of that in other counties but there will also be loads of lads working actual jobs commuting hours to training from their real actual 9-5 jobs elsewhere. Leitrim were in a Div 4 final last year and got a bit of coverage of it. Around 17 of their panel were working and living up in Dublin.

The people who are actually trying to defend the funding imbalance here do nothing more than to insult the intelligence of every poster on this board.

Stephen Cluton teaches physics and science. Do you think the school principal would allow him to take a few weeks off or not show up for work as playing for Dublin is more important. (Not that he'd even consider it)

Based on the Covid threads I thought you were just one of those conspiracy nuts who's full of nonsense. No sensible person could honestly believe your theory

More grist to the mill

Angelo doesn't believe in science

[Angelo]

I'll ask one more time otherwise I'll not debate with you, as you are avoiding by saying they are full time athletes, they ain't.. teachers have it easier

Do Tyrone have the things I've mentioned? It's a simple yes or no. Even for you it's simple

All you have served to do in this debate is evade the hard questions and you've done this by spin. What you have proven here is that you have absolutely no interest in discussing the imbalance and serve to deflect away from it with spin.

Dublin GAA are in effect full time athletes with the vast majority of them having token jobs. That's the reality and weave all the bullshit and spin you want, that is it.

Teachers have it easy but teachers have to gain a qualification to teach, they have to go to university and get their teaching degree, there is a standardised payscale and working hours that is not unique to GAA players, it's across the board.

GAA players have long gotten cushy jobs where they get well paid and only have to turn up now and again. It's usually the high profile guys but it's never been pretty much a full squad or to the sheer degree it is with Dublin right now.

How many other counties have their full panels living and working in their own county on a full time basis? Zero I'd guess.

[Milltown Row2]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

[Angelo]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.

Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.

Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?

[sid waddell]

Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor

Teachers,

No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.

So either dig or don't

Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.

Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it

Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty

and a few others came out of Marys.


McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber

You despise students and teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy

I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too many students and teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work

I've great regard for teachers by the way and value education so would strongly encourage young people to go to college

[sid waddell]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.

Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.

Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?

Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby

[Angelo]

Any bigger names than mccaffery? Doctor

Teachers,

No Bank officials In Tyrone? How many doctors? We could dig all day but unless you're going to highlight an actual truth that Dub players get jobs from the county because they are Dublin players then it's a myth.

So either dig or don't

Tiarnan McCann is a pharmacist in Dublin.

Majority of Tyrone panel is comprised of students and teachers. We must have 10+ teachers on it

Morgan
Harte
Sludden
Bradley
McGeary
Meyler
C McCann
Rafferty

and a few others came out of Marys.


McCurry is a plumber
Rory Brennan is a software engineer
Ben McDonnell a trainee accountant
Think HP McGeary is also a plumber

You despise teachers, don't you? You think they're lazy and work shy

I suppose then according to your logic (not mine) that would explain why the Tyrone team can't challenge Dublin - too may teachers who are simply not willing to put in the work

I've great regard for teachers by the way

You need a qualification to teach. I don't have much regard for the profession but it's not a job that would seem to be jobs for the boys like the culture of Dublin GAA.

I wouldn't expect a champagne socialist like yourself to understand though. You really have so much in common with your hero Donald Trump.

[LeoMc]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.

Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.

Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?

Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby

Johnny Davies?

[Angelo]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.

Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.

Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?

Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby

And Brian Cullen left Leinster Rugby to go to Dublin GAA.

[Angelo]

It's gas that people list the advantages Dublin have, but leave out things like centres of excellence and training centres.

In the winter the dubs do their winter training out near Rathcoole in a bog standard basic club ground. Some nights they share with the club side.

In the summer months they use a pitch in the DCU and a small building with changing rooms and a small kitchen.

Their gym has your basic run of the mill equipment in Parnell Park.

None of what they use for training is out of reach or too expensive for any county board to provide.

Loads of spin there.

Dublin GAA were able to take Brian Cullen out of Leinster rugby and pay him to be their S&C main guy.

Tyrone could not afford to keep Peter Donnelly about when Ulster rugby came knocking.

That's the level of difference we are talking about in financial terms. I'd imagine Leinster rugby would pay a lot more than Ulster to boot as well.

In order for counties to be competing at the same level as Dublin, their spending would need to be at least 5x that of Dublin's. The biggest expense counties like Mayo incur is travel for their players who are dotted across all parts of the country.

As I said at the start, Dublin GAA fans are a bit like unionist, they want their ascendancy, they don't care how it's maintained and the last thing in the world they care about is fairness and a level playing field.

Peter Donnelly would have stay given the opportunity to actually work with a professional set up? You are nuts

At that last post... oh my god

Brian Cullen left a professional set up to go work for Dublin GAA.

Peter Donnelly left to go work in a professional set up.

Inadvertently you've proven my point. How can Dublin GAA woo S&C professionals from pro rugby?

Martin Kennedy left Dublin GAA to go to Irish rugby

Johnny Davies?

Johnny Davies did not leave rugby.

His services had been dispensed of and he was not employed to take over Peter Donnelly's full time role.