Leinster Championship 2020

[Baile Brigín 2]

You can split dublins senior side without splitting their club scene into two counties.

So the current county board structure remain in place with them managing 2/3/4 county sides?

[caprea]

Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster

It's almost like club and county are different competitions

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dublin club teams are not dominating lienster

It's almost like club and county are different competitions

Or people are mistaking a strong county side with overall strength of tbe games in your capital.

[J70]

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.
Can any rational being genuinely believe that the other 11 counties have stood, or sat, idly by since 2005 when the present Dublin run of success began?
There has been one solitary exception (2010) but, spin it anyway you like, 14 out of 15 cannot be mere coincidence.

After all, from 1995 until 2004, ten years, a total of six counties won the title. For the curious, they were Meath (3), Dublin (2), Kildare (2) and Offaly, Laois, Westmeath one each.
So, has Dubliin streaked ahead of the rest, from 2005 until the present or have the others been hit by a collective bout of inertia and sat on their arses ever since?

Or did Dublin's grip on the Leinster crown begin when the then Dublin chairman, John Bailey approached the government, aka Berties Ahern,looking for finance to keep Dublin's head above water. He found the native of Drumcondra very willing to help.

Dublin needs every cent it can get to survive.
Only a tiny percentage of the general public, less by far than in any other county, participate at club level.
There's a preponderance of super-sized clubs that draw their members from a very wide area hence no parochial element in their makeup.
The general Finglas region has the same population (approximately) as the whole of County Cavan.
According to the Cavan GAA site, the county has 41 registered clubs- Finglas has just one.

Dubs can point to the big crowds that turn out for glamour games but that's drawn from a single county that has over a third of the country's population and this needs to be kept in context.
Having said all of the above, carving Dublin up in any way would be a total disaster as none of the component parts would have enough clubs to survive- the present basket case model barely keeps going as things stand.
But, if something is not done to curb Dublin's dominance, the GAA will be banjaxed anyway.

What gives if the unstoppable force meets the immovable mass?

Would it HAVE to be carved up below intercounty level? Is there some rule that says the same organization/unit structure has to be maintained through all levels of competition?

Are there not clubs out there who amalgamate at underage but compete separately at adult level? Kerry enter regional representative teams in their senior football championship, don't they?

Why can't they split if they can amalgamate for specific competitions?

[Angelo]

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

[Laois Rising]

The reality is that while the playing numbers have exploded over the last two decades, Dublin is still only scratching the surface of its potential. As one poster rightly pointed out, a number of areas with a population of well in excess of 100,000 are currently being serviced by only one or two clubs while relatively new suburban settlements have no GAA clubs within them. Th Dublin juggernaut has massive room to develop even further still. 

I hate this argument you see GAA officials put out- the other counties need to replicate the Dublin model or they need to do more to develop their underage structures. Even if the likes of Offaly, Westmeath, Laois and Longford were maximising their potential they are still never going to get close to the level of Dublin. For that reason, as long as Dublin is left as a single entity Leinster football will continue along in its current guise.  I can guarantee that if Dublin were as organised as they are now in the 90s and 00s, Meath would never have been competing or winning All-Irelands and Kildare, Westmeath and Laois would not come within a sniff of their Leinster breakthroughs regardless how good their teams were at the time.

[Rossfan]

True Laois.
If we can't have 4 County Boards in Dublin how about a compromise
1 County Board but fielding 2 football teams Dublin City, pop c550k and Dublin County pop c800k?
They'd each be in the top 3 for playing numbers.

[sid waddell]

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going 

The comments above are a good example of this

Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article

[Baile Brigín 2]

True Laois.
If we can't have 4 County Boards in Dublin how about a compromise
1 County Board but fielding 2 football teams Dublin City, pop c550k and Dublin County pop c800k?
They'd each be in the top 3 for playing numbers.

No they wouldn't. There are very few GAA clubs in Fingal and DLR. And thats before we get to how many of your 550k and 800k are culchies.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.

The howl of culchie losers.

[caprea]

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going 

The comments above are a good example of this

Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article

My comments couldn't be accused of that. I just want a watchable competition that is fair. Culchies and ewan want Dublin punished. Dubs want their advantages protected at all costs.

There's no adult debate. Dublin are unbeatable, congratulations. I don't care about the reasons for that but we can't go on with playing a competition that is pointless. Or ye can if you want but I won't be watching and I doubt I will be alone.

[Angelo]

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going 

The comments above are a good example of this

Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article

You're part of the problem, brush it off.

Dublin in reality have a playing population 10-15 times that of any of their current nearest competitors. Once they have their house in order then there is no competing with that. That's before we get to the funding, the championship format and Croke Park advantages that Dublin already have a supreme advantage in.

It would be refreshing for Dublin fans to stop defending the indefensible, alas.

[J70]

Anyone who seriously believes that all the other Leinster counties needs to do is work more and train harder to catch up with the Dubs needs to be led away quietly to a home for the bewildered.
They'd be Trump supporters if they lived on the other side of the Atlantic.

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

Part of the problem with this "debate" is that like so many other things in life now, it's being treated largely as a culture war based on feelings rather than facts and context - in that sort of environment, it's very difficult to get any sort of honest debate going 

The comments above are a good example of this

Certain commentators in the media have fuelled this (hello Mr. McKenna, hello Mr. Parkinson) and what comes from their mouths or pens can be generally be treated with the same sort of seriousness as one would extend to a Breitbart article

That may all be true.

But at what point do you Dubs even get bored?

Mayo will give you a game. Kerry too. You'll still beat them both in the end nine times out of ten.

And that's it.

Is one relatively tight game every year before the inevitable Sam Maguire something Dublin fans are going to continue to look forward to?

It would be one thing if the team's success was based on a core coming through and developing together like most successful county sides have been, but its not. There is no end in sight.

As a Donegal fan, we got our arses handed to us yesterday in a sickening defeat (not because it was Cavan - I'm delighted for them). But, had everything gone to script, I would have enjoyed winning a third Ulster in a row for the first time, but not extracted much major satisfaction out of the title itself. And that's Donegal, a decent team, but with problems functioning in the face of serious intensity. But one which, after all, had fairly handily won the last two Ulster titles. But also nothing like the relentless, remorseless, unparalleled, historically greatest ever side that Dublin are.

If OUR benchmark as supporters was beginning to move past an Ulster title (obviously no longer valid) and wondering how close we might be able to get to Dublin, then what is there to keep Dublin supporters engaged?

There's nothing left to aim for beyond breaking your own AI title-winning sequence every year.

[seafoid]

Certainly someone who is frozen is not alive, but neither are they dead
They are in a third state and biostasis is how I would  describe the Leinster Football Chamspionship


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgy8xLdZ22k

[seafoid]

Dublin fans are a bit like unionists. They want the ascendancy and everything stacked in their favour and are not interested in a level playing field.

The GAA see Dublin GAA as a cashcow and that's all that matters to them.

And you wonder why Dubs don't want to know.

The howl of culchie losers.

The whine of a Dub who can't see that the system is broken.