Leinster Championship 2020

[Main Street]

That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.

Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights  a week it takes to just match  what Dublin are doing.

When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.

I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.

Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.

I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.

Down might want to focus on just winning an Ulster title before they start worrying about taking on the dubs. How exactly are the dubs to blame for them blowing that lead against Cavan last week?

1994 was the last time they won an Ulster title. Dublin never even played Down in the championship under Jim Gavin

After a bit of  GAA success, a Dublin gaa follower deigns to give advice in a dismissive condescending manner to the aristocrats of GAA, on  focus, ambition and success. 

[dublin7]

That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.

Its not Dublins problem but there is a huge knock on effect because of their success. Other counties are not getting their best 15 out on the pitch because they cannot get lads to commit to the 4 or 5 nights  a week it takes to just match  what Dublin are doing.

When Eamonn Burns (rip) took over down a few years ago, there were reports of up to 30 lads who refused invites to join the county panel. Players are now considering is it worth the effort without any chance of success, others might commit for 2 or 3 years when in the past the same player might have played for ten years.

I think its a huge issue for the gaa and if the likes of me are getting fed up with county football then there are repercussions coming down the line.

Even before covid-19 the attendances especially in leinster where down alarmingly. Its only a matter of time before the viewing figures drop too and the TV companies will respond accordingly when bidding for rights.

I don't know the solution, I wouldn't be in favour of splitting Dublin but the championship which I would have watched religiously every weekend, rarely missed down games etc is becoming farcical.

Down might want to focus on just winning an Ulster title before they start worrying about taking on the dubs. How exactly are the dubs to blame for them blowing that lead against Cavan last week?

1994 was the last time they won an Ulster title. Dublin never even played Down in the championship under Jim Gavin

After a bit of  GAA success, a Dublin gaa follower deigns to give advice in a dismissive condescending manner to the aristocrats of GAA, on  focus, ambition and success.

Well if Down followers are going to blame the dubs for players refusing to play for the county its no wonder they have problems. Anything else GAA related we can blame the dubs for?

It's lucky there aren't many kerry posters on here otherwise they'd be saying it was the dubs fault they played so defensive against Cork.

[From the Bunker]

Where would this Meath team Rank in Ireland? Would they be in the top 16? The top 10?

[Rossfan]

That's not Dublin's problem. Other teams need to step up.

Starting with Antrim, with the largest "GAA minded" population in Ulster stepping up from being 9th best team in Ulster.
Then we can make those lazy hoors of Volunteers in Laythrum, Longford etc get off their bums and magic up a superteam from their 3,000 or so registered players to match the team Dublin have got from their 39,000.

You might as well start with your own County. You bummed them up this year and they failed miserably.... if all your best players committed and trained and conditioned themselves and you had a decent manager with a plan, would you best Dublin, or at the very least, compete?

We feel we have the decent manager and have improved S&C and all that. We now have all the best players on board.
We have probably our 3rd or 4th best ever set of players.
Were about 15 points or more off Dublin and D2 titkes and Connachts when the Qualifier system is in vogue is about as good as it will be.
Only for 11% of the Population of the parts of Roscommon under Ros CB control are registered GAA players we'd likely spend most of our time in D4 with an odd moral victory v Galway or Mayowestros to keep us going.

[High Fielder]

This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?

Dublin won 4 all Ireland under 21s last decade so they kind of dominated at the most important underage grade. It's not five in a row but they don't have to develop a new squad every year at senior level like they do at under 21.

Solutions; Dublin and kerry won intercounty football and look like they will go on winning it so what's the point of playing it anymore. Get rid of Intercounty in favour of 10-12 regions and play an AFL style league format. I'd go the whole hog, professionalism, a draft system.

The intercounty system just isn't fun or fresh anymore and there's no evidence that's going to change or anything new is going to happen.

Agree with this. I don't know of any other sport where your level of progression is decided by your birthplace. A fundamentally flawed concept

[seafoid]

This is the GAA's biggest challenge.
Dublin is a monster that can either stimulate positive change or destroy the GAA.
It's interesting that Dublin don't dominate at underage the same way , but their selection process and their preparation/organisation around their senior team means that they optimise their considerable resources. Sadly surrounding counties have not responded.
This massive Dublin advantage in terms of resources is another example of inequality in the GAA.
It needs to be addressed , before it becomes even more of a farce, any solutions out there?

There is no money in underage success.
Dublin's sponsors and merchandisers generate more than any other county because of senior success.

[seafoid]

Dublin are 15 years into this process.
Even if Meath or Roscommon really tried to catch up they never would. It's a mathematical formula with no solution.

[seafoid]

Class acts. Just absolutely miles ahead but its down to the rest to catch up

Go away Jarlath.
The rest haven't got 1.4m population nor around 40% of all Irish economic activity

You can cry about how unfair it is or you can grow a pair of balls, remove your head from your hole and do something about it. At the end of the day its 15 vs 15 and they are only human. Meath were beat mentally before a ball was kicked.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"

Qu'ils mangent du coddle

[Eire90]

would Dublin beat an all ulster team.

[Rossfan]

Choices
Split Dublin into the 4 Council areas
Inter Co teams become Semi (or fully) Professional
Regional teams to compete with the 1.3m juggernaut.

[Eire90]

what do you mean by regional teams do does that mean splitting all counties up aswell.

[Eire90]

If you split Dublin up  would that mean there club championships are split aswell.

[Eire90]

what about hurling dublin dont dominate hurling would they be split too.

[caprea]

what do you mean by regional teams do does that mean splitting all counties up aswell.

Here's a rough breakdown of possible amalgamations, the counties, population and home venue.

Kildare Meath Westmeath  505.  Pairc tailteann
Mayo Galway.  389.   Salt hill
Cork Kerry.  689.5. Pairc hi caoimh
Clare limerick Tipperary Waterford 590.  Thurles
Wexford Kilkenny Laois Carlow Wicklow 532.5.   Nowlan
Offaly longford roscommon Leitrim cavan 291.  Hyde
Dublin North. Croke
Dublin South no stadium
Louth Armagh Tyrone Monaghan 543.  Clones
Antrim Derry down      1.4. Casement
Donegal Sligo Fermanagh 285  Enniskillen

[Milltown Row2]

f**king stupid conversations.

Splitting a county. Daft
Regional teams, we have that and it lost huge interest
Get rid of intercounty Championships? WTF AFL type?

Dry your eyes, put you big boy pants on and work through it, whether you like it or not these things run their course, Dublin's has been a longer run than most, but it'll stop or stutter, but the foundation's are in Dublin's grassroots,  that being the biggest population it will have the most to pick from. But you can only put 15 on the pitch.

But changing the the rules because someone is dominating is childish