Rory McIlroy

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muppet

Quote from: stew on January 09, 2013, 07:07:25 PM
G Mac has a bit of maturity behind him and he obviously doesnt give a damn about politics or what people think, he also realizes that like himself, McIlroy is in a losing situation here, for some on here to say it would be cowardly and low pay option or whatever is ridiculous.

I have a 22 year old daughter, McIlroy is a year older, she, like Rory has a lot to learn yet, time and the maturation process will see McIlroy come into his own and I am sure he will listen to G Mac and Darren Clarke. I really think there will come a time when he sheds his apprehension over such infantile issues as what flag he plays for as he plays to make a living for himself and his family.

The bottom line is this, Rory is a special talent and some can mask it any way they want, some don't like him because they think he is going to play for the brits and others don't like him because he is successful, I mean look at it this way, take away the hundreds of millions in the bank, the flashy motors, the corporate sponsorship, the deadly looking athlete he is banging and the family and friends that have always taken care of him and supported him and what have you got left????

A great kid that is unpretentious and has done nothing to be the subject of bile and ridicule on here or on any other forum.

One last thing, I never met the man, I am certainly not going to dislike him based on what i have seen of him or read about him, what has he ev er said or done to offend anybody?? Feck the begrudgers.

Agree completely.
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sans pessimism

Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: stew on January 09, 2013, 07:07:25 PM
G Mac has a bit of maturity behind him and he obviously doesnt give a damn about politics or what people think, he also realizes that like himself, McIlroy is in a losing situation here, for some on here to say it would be cowardly and low pay option or whatever is ridiculous.

I have a 22 year old daughter, McIlroy is a year older, she, like Rory has a lot to learn yet, time and the maturation process will see McIlroy come into his own and I am sure he will listen to G Mac and Darren Clarke. I really think there will come a time when he sheds his apprehension over such infantile issues as what flag he plays for as he plays to make a living for himself and his family.

The bottom line is this, Rory is a special talent and some can mask it any way they want, some don't like him because they think he is going to play for the brits and others don't like him because he is successful, I mean look at it this way, take away the hundreds of millions in the bank, the flashy motors, the corporate sponsorship, the deadly looking athlete he is banging and the family and friends that have always taken care of him and supported him and what have you got left????

A great kid that is unpretentious and has done nothing to be the subject of bile and ridicule on here or on any other forum.

One last thing, I never met the man, I am certainly not going to dislike him based on what i have seen of him or read about him, what has he ev er said or done to offend anybody?? Feck the begrudgers.

Agree completely.
And by Jeez theres plenty of those sad hung up begrudgers on here
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Orior

Quote from: sans pessimism on January 09, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 09, 2013, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: stew on January 09, 2013, 07:07:25 PM

One last thing, I never met the man, I am certainly not going to dislike him based on what i have seen of him or read about him, what has he ev er said or done to offend anybody?? Feck the begrudgers.

Agree completely.
And by Jeez theres plenty of those sad hung up begrudgers on here

Really? How many would you say?
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Milltown Row2

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Applesisapples

Quote from: Olaf on January 09, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 09, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
I have no problem with McIlroy playing for GB if that is his wish, I have said he has the right to choose. He does however come from a nationalist catholic community which for years suffered discrimination and violence in the name of said Ulster Flag. His own uncle was shot in its name. That is the issue and Heganboy whether you like it or not it is an issue for many people in much the same way the tricolour is for the unionist community. I would prefer to see all flags taken out of sport where identities are divided. The proliferation of Ulster Flags in 1999 was due in large part to the DUP who handed them out free. Ulster Rugby actually plays under the old 9 County Flag which predates partition.
I think that you do have problem with him playing for GB (if that be his wish)

He was obviously brought up by parents in a difficult and  divided society who ensured that he mixed with both ussuns and themmuns through his schooling etc. That upbringing has evidently manifested itself in a fairly mature and rounded adult ideal for 21st Century NI.

The only flag that "Ulster Rugby" have any association with is the one with their logo printed on it.

DUP handing out free  flags in '99??  You're having a laugh. I got mine in Dublin. ;)
You are quite wrong their, yes as with the other provinces the Ulster Team has a badge which they have put on flags, check the Ulster Branch Website which is the controlling body for Ulster Rugby. And yes you may have got yours in Dublin but the DUP quite proudly advertised that they were giving them out.

Franko

I don't begrudge him anything.  Fair play to him - he's done well.  I just don't like him.  Is that OK with you guys?

Applesisapples

Jesus lads what we need is a discussion board where everybody agrees with everybody. McIlroy is an overpayed sportsman in a sport that has too many like him. To be clear I no more begrudge McIlroy his success than I would Clarke or G Mac, Woods or any other. He undoubtedly has talent. It is some what disengenous for people who don't know me to question my genuine belief that McIlroy has the right to choose, as has Marc Wilson, The Chambers, Darren Gibson, Paddy McCourt etc... I am also entitled to resent his use of a flag that has no official designation and under which close friends of mine were killed and injured. I have also quite clearly stated that flags need to be removed from sports where we expect Unionists and Nationalists to compete together. The crux of all of this a bit like the flag protests is that a shared future and mutual respect can only be done on terms that suit one community.

McIlroy has opened this can of worms for himself, compare the care with which G Mac and Clarke conduct themselves. He is young and certainly has been ill advised. I have no problem with his feeling Northern Irish as opposed to Irish or even his feeling of being British, given his schooling and where he was brought up that is understandable. My own childern would consider themselves Northern Irish and Irish and see no problem or contradiction.

Too many on this board resort to personal attacks rather than reason, and don't really want to understand that different people have different experiences which infuence our ideas and thoughts.If you look at some of my exchanges with Nally on other threads it will be apparent that I am quite liberal and consistent in my argument. More than can be said for some!

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 10:20:23 AM
Jesus lads what we need is a discussion board where everybody agrees with everybody. McIlroy is an overpayed sportsman in a sport that has too many like him. To be clear I no more begrudge McIlroy his success than I would Clarke or G Mac, Woods or any other. He undoubtedly has talent. It is some what disengenous for people who don't know me to question my genuine belief that McIlroy has the right to choose, as has Marc Wilson, The Chambers, Darren Gibson, Paddy McCourt etc... I am also entitled to resent his use of a flag that has no official designation and under which close friends of mine were killed and injured. I have also quite clearly stated that flags need to be removed from sports where we expect Unionists and Nationalists to compete together. The crux of all of this a bit like the flag protests is that a shared future and mutual respect can only be done on terms that suit one community.

McIlroy has opened this can of worms for himself, compare the care with which G Mac and Clarke conduct themselves. He is young and certainly has been ill advised. I have no problem with his feeling Northern Irish as opposed to Irish or even his feeling of being British, given his schooling and where he was brought up that is understandable. My own childern would consider themselves Northern Irish and Irish and see no problem or contradiction.

Too many on this board resort to personal attacks rather than reason, and don't really want to understand that different people have different experiences which infuence our ideas and thoughts.If you look at some of my exchanges with Nally on other threads it will be apparent that I am quite liberal and consistent in my argument. More than can be said for some!

Would it be fair to say you had a personal attack of Rory?

I'd be happy with peoples views on sportsmen being paid too much but that's the nature of the beast, I think when a kid as young as 5/6 picks up a sport he doesn't realise that that sport will actually pay his big money if he turns out to be a goodin. He plays it cause he enjoys it, anything after tat is a bonus.

I don't think that Rory runs over and throws the N.I unofficial flag on himself, fans possibly with another agenda do or fans of N.I sportsmen do. As for being ill advised, I think in the past or present we've all been guilty of being ill advised, no one is perfect. I've said before if you don't like his personality then fine if you don't like him because he may pick one side over another then that (in my opinion) is different.

I can't sometimes get this place, we've had some great sports people over the years and we always have the opinion that we or them own him ffs. Mary Peters had death threats, Barry McGuigan had death threats while in their prime in this place. They were number one at their game, came from such a small province and yet we have so many knockers about. Rory McIlroy is number one in a sport that the Americans have dominated for years (namely Tiger) and he's from Co. Down, that's some achievement. I've yet to see an interview from him that he has been rude, bad or said anything that would give the impression that warrants some of the things said here, but each to their OWN I suppose
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Rossfan

Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
You are quite wrong their,
2 penalty points  ;D
Hopefully you aren't an English teacher too  ::)

I don't really like McIlroy or golf for that matter.
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We're going to bring home the SAM

Applesisapples

Lets be clear, I am not making any personal attack on McIlroy. Whoever gave him the flag, and one was presented by his father, he chose to wrap himself in it and that was clearly his choice, as it was to throw a tricolour to the ground. Fans whether Irish or otherwise sholud not be foisting these flags on him in any case. I am quite entitled to have an opinion on his choice of flag and his use of it. The Flag of the Ulster Branch GUI is the same as that for the IRFU Ulster Branch and perhaps would be more appropriate?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 12:31:28 PM
Lets be clear, I am not making any personal attack on McIlroy. Whoever gave him the flag, and one was presented by his father, he chose to wrap himself in it and that was clearly his choice, as it was to throw a tricolour to the ground. Fans whether Irish or otherwise sholud not be foisting these flags on him in any case. I am quite entitled to have an opinion on his choice of flag and his use of it. The Flag of the Ulster Branch GUI is the same as that for the IRFU Ulster Branch and perhaps would be more appropriate?

Yes, it would if you were worried about flegs, a bit like those eejits in Belfast and other towns that are worried about flegs.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Applesisapples

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2013, 12:40:05 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 12:31:28 PM
Lets be clear, I am not making any personal attack on McIlroy. Whoever gave him the flag, and one was presented by his father, he chose to wrap himself in it and that was clearly his choice, as it was to throw a tricolour to the ground. Fans whether Irish or otherwise sholud not be foisting these flags on him in any case. I am quite entitled to have an opinion on his choice of flag and his use of it. The Flag of the Ulster Branch GUI is the same as that for the IRFU Ulster Branch and perhaps would be more appropriate?

Yes, it would if you were worried about flegs, a bit like those eejits in Belfast and other towns that are worried about flegs.
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heganboy

Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Like it or not they matter

they matter? what is more accurate to say is that they matter to you. Maybe you'd like to share with us why they matter so much to you?like it or not...
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Olaf

Quote from: Applesisapples on January 10, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: Olaf on January 09, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 09, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
I have no problem with McIlroy playing for GB if that is his wish, I have said he has the right to choose. He does however come from a nationalist catholic community which for years suffered discrimination and violence in the name of said Ulster Flag. His own uncle was shot in its name. That is the issue and Heganboy whether you like it or not it is an issue for many people in much the same way the tricolour is for the unionist community. I would prefer to see all flags taken out of sport where identities are divided. The proliferation of Ulster Flags in 1999 was due in large part to the DUP who handed them out free. Ulster Rugby actually plays under the old 9 County Flag which predates partition.
I think that you do have problem with him playing for GB (if that be his wish)

He was obviously brought up by parents in a difficult and  divided society who ensured that he mixed with both ussuns and themmuns through his schooling etc. That upbringing has evidently manifested itself in a fairly mature and rounded adult ideal for 21st Century NI.

The only flag that "Ulster Rugby" have any association with is the one with their logo printed on it.

DUP handing out free  flags in '99??  You're having a laugh. I got mine in Dublin. ;)
You are quite wrong their, yes as with the other provinces the Ulster Team has a badge which they have put on flags, check the Ulster Branch Website which is the controlling body for Ulster Rugby. And yes you may have got yours in Dublin but the DUP quite proudly advertised that they were giving them out.

The team that plays at Ravenhill does not represent the old province of Ulster - it is a club  like all others in professional rugby.  That said it obviously has a connection to this part of the world (and other parts) hence the variety of colourful flags on show which I must say makes it a bit of a spectacle and which I quite like. What goes on the pitch is more important though .

Rory likes the rugby too doesn't he . Maybe the diversity attracts him as well as a feeling of connection to the team.

I get the feeling that , ulike yourself , the only flags that he is really concerned with are those positioned on the short grass.


imtommygunn

I think he's actually a sponsor and puts quite a bit of money into Ulster rugby.