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2 time penalty Kick champs, Fact. Vinny Corey had the decency to acknowledge it after Monaghan beat Armagh. Derry got the cups* tho.

Joyce called it out as well, two men with common sense, few Derry wans losing their minds here.

.. You're running around the threads like a dog with 2 dicks

The phrase 2 bald men fighting over a comb springs to mind 

Yah man 

[forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions]

Armagh season imo hinges on some silverware and the only thing left open to them is an Ulster title, should they get beat by Down or lose an Ulster Final but achieve a step further than last few years in the All Ireland - will that be a success?

Would have to be seen as a step backwards wouldnt it?

If we lose to Down its a disaster. Looking at potential final opponents- we beat Cavan last year easily so you'd want to be doing the same, we drew with Derry so losing to them would be a backward step, Donegal were shit last year so questions would need asked if they managed to leapfrog us with a new manager. Wouldnt even want to contemplate losing to Tyrone!

if we get to the final and were beat, again (forget about this draw nonsense, they beat us hence they are the defending champions), by Derry it wouldnt be a step back in my eyes.
Arguably last year was a failure by Armagh given we had played in a higher division and the shenanigans around derry in te lead up to the final. This year, again presuming it is us and derry in the final, derry go in as league champions with a multiple all ireland winning manager and we, well, we dont. Thye played at a higher level than us all year also.

Though it really isn't nonsense they won a penalty shoot out based on rules introduced by Croke Park to compress the GAA season under the guise of Club Welfare  (what has a penalty shoot out got to do with a GAA match),  but really for the leasing of Croke Park over the summer as a business venture.  That aside another year under Geezer with nothing to show would be a failure.

It is 100% nonsense, couldn't be any more nonsense.
What Croke Pk venture stopped a potential replay the following weekend which was a: free and b: wouldn't be played at Croke Pk? More nonsense! 

Is it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it.  There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.

I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.

What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?

You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.

The answer is the Ulster Championship is not viewed in isolation You've said Armagh will have failed this year if they don't win Ulster. I disagree.

I talk alot of nonsense but I'm an honest man re the comment above

You are holding the Anglo Celt up as some kind of be all and end all for the season. It's not. For me If your county would prefer to win an Ulster and nothing else this year then it's extremely meaningful. If your county would prefer a deep run in the All Ireland series then Ulster is less meaningful.

Again, I'm not holding the Anglo Celt up as the be all and end all. It is 1 of 3 major honours my county can win, 1 of 2 in the championship arena. Rarely missing a home or away game in manys a year and being starved of celebrations, winning the Ulster the last two years has been huge for the county. It's the toughest province to win, and if you're able to win it, you're in good stead for the rest of the season. Not only that, you're seeded in pot one and your home, away and neutral are a bit handier.
Your hypothetical scenarios of not winning or sacrificing an Ulster to go deeper in the AI series, does this hold much merit? Armagh would do well to win Ulster and then give the AI a serious rattle, because if you're good enough to win Ulster, you won't be far away. I could maybe understand your pov more if you were from Kerry

This site is making the over projection of a Derry v Armagh final. I rather literally take it one game at a time, this Saturday could see us out on our ass very handy,

100%
I've been saying all along, Donegal could knock us out in the first round.
I'd love to see us win another Ulster - but if we get beaten on Saturday it wouldn't be a huge shock.
Donegal were in the final 2 years ago and we just beat them.

Couldn't agree more. A 1 or 2 point win for Donegal in a very physical / defensive game wouldn't be a huge surprise

From Kieran taking over until the past 2 years Armagh struggled for years to get a win or two in the Ulster championship and that has been the most disappointing thing for me.  Not being able to beat teams they could/should have been beating over 6 or 7 years.  That's not all down to lack of underage success.  We have though improved markedly in terms of conditioning and tightened up a good bit at the back. Seem better organised these past 2 years but the question is still very much out on whether they can take the next step, i.e. get through tight games and win something or get further than a quarter final.

Not being disrespectful, but 2 very lop sided draws in '23 and' 24 surely helped?

Is it really? Most counties have goals at the start of the year, get promoted, avoid relegation, beat neighbours etc. do they really need a coping mechanism of devaluing competitions, I seriously doubt it.  There are about 26 counties under the new system never going win Sam, Derry don't need another Ulster but will probably win it, any other county would relish it.

I believe JoG2 was referring the fans attempting to devalue a competition as a defense mechanism for if they don't win it. Armagh will have failed this year (again) if they do not win Ulster. How anyone can think different is beyond me.

What if they lose Ulster but play in an All Ireland final. Is that a bigger failure than winning Ulster and then going out in the groups?

You're changing angles here. What is having a good year, which reaching an AI final for most teams is, got to do with questioning the value of the Anglo Celt cup which you did? A hypothetical appearance in an AI final shouldn't come into the equation.
You're Armagh yes, very surprising considering the last 15+ years winning nothing. Derry winning 2 years ago was incredible, winning back to back was, well incredible. The thought of winning a treble, well that's the stuff of dreams. Worry about any attack on a Sam after.

Armagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over. 

The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.

Is it meaningful silverware?

It definitely is, anybody who says otherwise is deluding themselves.

Devalue everything except the one cup that's pretty much unattainable for most counties in a given year, it's a coping mechanism to avoid disappointment

Armagh have shown glimpses of the 2022 championship form this year but I'd still be worried that they will slip back into last years negative mindset when faced with better opposition. The same thing happened in the League final again when the stakes were heightened and the fear of losing took over. 

The Ulster final, should we get there, could well be the defining game of the season because they won't be winning an All Ireland title. For a lot of those players it's probably the last chance saloon to try and win meaningful silverware.

Is it meaningful silverware?

No, neither is the league, Sam is the only show in town!! 

how many counties would a train station in clones benefit?

Armagh, hoor's only have trains to Belfast and the rest of the place connecting via Dublin the critters

Has there been a bit of a sea change in general opinion? Seems to be a bit of common sense entering the debates - previously dismissed or shut down debates  imo.

The average person has common sense with these freaks. But they get called out for it so are afraid to say much.

I certainly don't view trans people as freaks. Trans rights shouldn't trump womens' rights tho (& their right to feel safe in women only areas), that seemed to be the road it was hurtling down for a long time. A section of the trans movement appear to not want to assimilate into society either. I don't care if they want to assimilate or not but I don't think society should have to put up with some of their outrageous nonsense either. They should have equality in society, they should also respect others in society.

I think this is the case. Most people would have issues with the some of the proposals put forward by the trans movement. But equally most would refrain from calling them freaks. There's people from both sides on this board and all levels in between.

Exactly, and if it was hurtling down a road it was because certain parts of the media were pushing that agenda #bogeymen

Not as nice as the current 'brown' away kit. 

Think we have a new winner, 'vomit grey'.. Deserved a 10-0 drubbing today

What are the dates for Ulster semi finals?poor show from down against a antrim team with serious injury list.

27th / 28th

Here - https://youtu.be/uKTICK54tMQ?feature=shared

Ok fair enough. Though I agree with him bout Harte... Tally as bad going to Kerry. Is why Cody didn't shake hands with Shefflin, trying to plot the downfall of his own county...

What do you agree with him about re Harte?

That there are enough good Derry men with that tradition without lining Hartes pockets... a cartel of managers doing the rounds... sure you know what he said.

Is it just the fact it's Harte and it's Derry that's really galling ? You're from Tyrone, big chance a Derry man or two has been at your club. The players, who are the most important part of all this, wanted Harte / Devlin.
Bottom line is Brolly doesn't like Harte, so with his platform, as he does with anyone he doesn't like, he let's the world know continuously. Calling a 70 something GAA coach a cnut or whatever isn't the behaviour of a mature adult. Don't buy the bullshit it's because he's an outside manager, Brolly was, by his own admission instrumental in bringing Mullans in in the 90s, the mans a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction.

Kristoffersen? Is don't care who managed what team, is totally against the ethos of the GAA £££... but to go to your biggest rivals.. nah..

Emotion more than principle, not a kick in the arse of Joe's position

Here - https://youtu.be/uKTICK54tMQ?feature=shared

Ok fair enough. Though I agree with him bout Harte... Tally as bad going to Kerry. Is why Cody didn't shake hands with Shefflin, trying to plot the downfall of his own county...

What do you agree with him about re Harte?

That there are enough good Derry men with that tradition without lining Hartes pockets... a cartel of managers doing the rounds... sure you know what he said.

Which Derry manager/s do you have in mind?

That's for Derry to sort out, great GAA county it is... can't find a manager 🤷 plenty doing the rounds

But you can't name one.
 

Barry Dillon.. Conleith Gilligan... Johnny McBride

A Sigerson in 10 years isn't much of a CV for this current Derry team. Conleith for the future. Johnny, no