The Patronising Dublin Fan Thread

Started by Sidney, August 09, 2014, 11:19:27 PM

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Maroon Manc

Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 08, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages

Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars

Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage

Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage

Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers

Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county

Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final

But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't

You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue

With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it

Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.

Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved

Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else

Which is exactly what they should want to do

As should everybody else

Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim

The landscape has changed and if all things remain equal in terms of coaching its only natural the county with a playing population that dwarfs its rival is going to produce a higher % of top players then anyone else.

The Dublin club championship will continue to develop as a competition and increase in standard too and none of the changes you've recommended will have an affect on both of these.





seafoid

Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 08, 2020, 06:13:44 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on December 08, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: blasmere on December 08, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Why are you in favour Sid of a fairer society but not on a football pitch
It seems to me that I'm literally the only person on this board putting forward actual, workable ideas to reduce Dublin's inherent advantages

Start by revamping the league - every year Dublin face all the top teams in the country in the league, and every year this reinforces their advantage, and the advantage of the other Division 1 regulars

Scrap the Super 8s - this reinforces Dublin's advantage

Cut the amount of substitutes back to three - six substitutes reinforces Dublin's advantage

Play club championship during the summer, during the championship - this cuts down on the influence of county managers

Have a central sponsorship fund, say 50% of each county sponsorship goes into a central fund to be redistributed equally per county

Put Dublin on the road more, only give them three home league matches each year out of seven, make them play the preliminary round in Leinster, make them play in actual away venues, and no championship games in Croke Park until the Leinster final

But counties also have to start helping themselves - and at the moment, the vast majority aren't

You should probably be asking Colm O'Rourke why he engages in a series of bullshit bad faith arguments to try and split Dublin, while as regards society at large he's a picket-passing, union busting, Covid denying, right wing ideologue

With O'Rourke it always comes back to one thing - he hates Dublin, and that's the sum of it

Don't see any of those changes you've mentioned having much of an affect.

Dublin will continue to produce top players at a greater rate then everyone else through no fault of their own but until something is done about that then the domination will continue.
There's no "fault" involved

Dublin's aim is to produce top players at a greater rate than anybody else

Which is exactly what they should want to do

As should everybody else

Kerry have had that aim for 130 years, and have mostly been successful in that aim
I think there is fault on the part of the GAA. They boosted Dublin but left the compeition unchanged. Now the competition is a nonsense.
Maybe Dublin's growth was always going to challenge the system but the move to fund the country was to be the catalyst that pushed the all Ireland beyond the tipping point.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

sid waddell

Measures required to combat Dublin's dominance: none.

We now know it was a once in a generation team.

Dublin's dominance did not even last a decade, a span shorter than Kerry's (1975-1986) and the Kilkenny hurlers (2000-2015).

Yis can all relax now. The Dublin pandemic is over. Gaelic football is saved.


seafoid

Quote from: sid waddell on February 19, 2022, 11:04:44 PM
Measures required to combat Dublin's dominance: none.

We now know it was a once in a generation team.

Dublin's dominance did not even last a decade, a span shorter than Kerry's (1975-1986) and the Kilkenny hurlers (2000-2015).

Yis can all relax now. The Dublin pandemic is over. Gaelic football is saved.
Take the money away.
Otherwise there will be another team for the ages.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Captain Scarlet

Can we rename this Thread - Patronising Dublin Fans Thread

"Ah ye were a great bunch of lads..."
them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

From the Bunker

Well done to the 300 Dublin fans who made the very, very long trip to Clones today. You really took over the town!

Armagh18

What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.

seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.

Dublin destroyed the other teams in Leinster. Now there are no Leinster teams in Division 1
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

KickPass

Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.

Armagh18

Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
They're far from certain to win Leinster. Hopefully Kildares win in the league gives them the confidence to have a proper rattle at them come championship!

screenexile

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
What will attendances be like for a trip up to Derry in Divison 2 next year? Although at least most of Leinster is now in D2 with them.

Not sure but I remember the last time they came to Celtic Park there was a decent crowd probably 5-8000 . . . that was Division one though. We beat them that day and they returned the favour in the Final at Croker to kick start our freefall!

Captain Obvious

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Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
Kildare have beaten Dublin once already this year and could do it again in the Leinster championship. Some don't realise the decline Dublin are in.

Their starting team has a number of players that are past their best and their bench is lacking experience and impact players to turn matches like they did under Gavin. He jumped ship for a reason, knew this was coming.

Saffrongael

Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

yellowcard

Quote from: Saffrongael on March 28, 2022, 12:38:15 PM
Their "big" players were so bad yesterday, Kilkenny dreadful

Kilkenny was one of their shining light when the rest of the team was playing poorly but the last few games he has been poor when he should be in his prime. Fenton has been poor all League.

Fitzsimmons was cleaned out yesterday by Jack McCarron whilst Cooper and McCarthy looked their age. McCarthy has got crankier over the last year or so as his powers wane and a bit like Michael Murphy for Donegal it is sad to see once great players reduced to continual bouts of ill discipline.

seafoid

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 28, 2022, 11:37:36 AM
Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
Dublin will hope to avoid Mayo, Galway or any Ulster team in the AIQF or their summer could be over. Leinster is no prep for meeting an Ulster team who have built up a head of steam via a back door run.
Kildare have beaten Dublin once already this year and could do it again in the Leinster championship. Some don't realise the decline Dublin are in.

There starting team has a number of players that are past their best and their bench is lacking experience and impact players to turn matches like they did under Gavin. He jumped ship for a reason, knew this was coming.
All that money spent on coaching over the last 10 years. Have they nobody coming through ?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU