NFL Division 1 2022

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Owenmoresider

Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Dom Corrigan got heaved in Sligo after losing to Tipp and Waterford at the start of the 2006 league.

Gael85

Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.

Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.

I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition.  31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation  players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.

armaghniac

Quote from: Owenmoresider on March 01, 2022, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Dom Corrigan got heaved in Sligo after losing to Tipp and Waterford at the start of the 2006 league.

Waterford not so much, but over the years many's the decent team were beaten by Tipp.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

weareros

Quote from: Gael85 on March 01, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.

Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.

I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition.  31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation  players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.

There was quite a bit of drama with Bailey and Dublin County sacking Tom Carr in 2001. I seem to recall an image of Dessie himself trying to look through a window to see what was going on, or is my mind playing tricks.

Gael85

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Quote from: weareros on March 01, 2022, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 01, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.

Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.

I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition.  31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation  players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.

There was quite a bit of drama with Bailey and Dublin County sacking Tom Carr in 2001. I seem to recall an image of Dessie himself trying to look through a window to see what was going on, or is my mind playing tricks.

You are correct .

SouthDublinBro

Quote from: rosnarun on March 01, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
up to about 2 years ago the talk was that the second best team in Ireland was the dublin Subs

That was always just a pathetic attempt to detract from the achievements of the 6 in a row Dublin team by implying that they had no real opposition. Usually spouted by disgruntled nordies.

Rufus T Firefly

Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.

I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.

blanketattack

Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?

Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.

There was some during Cork strikes - Teddy Holland, John Considine

Imposerous

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
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I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.

What would you know.

mup

Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 01, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 01, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
up to about 2 years ago the talk was that the second best team in Ireland was the dublin Subs

That was always just a pathetic attempt to detract from the achievements of the 6 in a row Dublin team by implying that they had no real opposition. Usually spouted by disgruntled nordies.

Would you not consider that a compliment?

naka

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.

I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
tbf rufus i agree
some of his long kick outs were excellent amd allowed us to by pass the press
for me i would try him again

armaghniac

Quote from: naka on March 02, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.

I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
tbf rufus i agree
some of his long kick outs were excellent amd allowed us to by pass the press
for me i would try him again

I think the outfield players need to work on the kickout also and make themselves available. Something to work on.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Average Score

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.

I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.

A vested interest really care to elaborate!  I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory.  Blaine was slowed somewhat by individuals throwing balls on the field against Monaghan, Rafferty couldn't even get the ball set and missed runners all over the show he was also trying too much outfield at times in my opinion and one got the feeling he no more wanted to be in goals so yes I think Blaine if not injured should feel aggrieved, sure lets persist for the rest of the year and hope he settles in - didn't see much of him in the McKenna Cup, surely that was the time to try this out.

yellowcard

Quote from: Average Score on March 02, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.

I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.

His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?   

I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.

A vested interest really care to elaborate!  I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory.  Blaine was slowed somewhat by individuals throwing balls on the field against Monaghan, Rafferty couldn't even get the ball set and missed runners all over the show he was also trying too much outfield at times in my opinion and one got the feeling he no more wanted to be in goals so yes I think Blaine if not injured should feel aggrieved, sure lets persist for the rest of the year and hope he settles in - didn't see much of him in the McKenna Cup, surely that was the time to try this out.

I do agree with you in terms of the timing of the experiment. The middle of the League with safety not yet guaranteed was not the time to throw in a rookie goalkeeper for his debut. Hughes did not have his finest day against Monaghan but that would have been a difficult game for any goalkeeper given the wind conditions, our lack of midfield for the first half and the issue with footballs being thrown onto the field. Hughes has steadily improved with each season and I thought he had done more than enough to have firmly cemented himself as the number one. In  fact you could make the argument that we could be sitting as current Ulster champions if he hadn't caught Covid last summer. 

Goalkeeper is probably the most heavily scrutinised position on the pitch in the modern game so it is a really difficult specialised position to play. Rafferty done ok against Mayo but one match is not enough of a sample size to judge a goalkeepers credentials. He certainly didn't do anything wrong to get dropped now that he has the jersey but a large part of the opposition analysis is based on the other goalkeepers kick outs. Raffertys kick outs will not have come under any scrutiny from opposition teams since he hasn't played in goal before now. That will change with every match he starts from here on in and we will know if the gamble paid off. 

J70

Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?