Westminster Election 12th December 2019

[omaghjoe]

@JohnRentoul The Waspi section of that interview was quite the worst performance by a front line politician I've ever seen

I'm no fan of Corbyn but Neill was just being silly there.... He wouldn't let him speak. Corbyn told him he was gonna borrow which is what he wanted him to get him to say. But then neil still declared he didnt know how he was going to pay for it.
Even mainstream political journalists seem to have surpassed politicians these days with faux outrage and dramatics

[seafoid]

The next 2 weeks will probably be vicious. The assaults on Labour will intensify especially if the gap in the polls continues to narrow. There is a huge amount at stake in this election.

[gallsman]

The next 2 weeks will probably be vicious. The assaults on Labour will intensify especially if the gap in the polls continues to narrow. There is a huge amount at stake in this election.

Grow up and get a bit of thicker skin. "Assaults" ffs.

The moaning and whining and bitching from all sides is flat out embarrassing.

[magpie seanie]

The next 2 weeks will probably be vicious. The assaults on Labour will intensify especially if the gap in the polls continues to narrow. There is a huge amount at stake in this election.

Grow up and get a bit of thicker skin. "Assaults" ffs.

The moaning and whining and bitching from all sides is flat out embarrassing.

Labour and Corbyn in particular are the subject of a systematic, baseless smear campaign from the rich and powerful. They're scared of having to pay a fair share of tax. They're scared of the underclasses getting access to affordable education which might give them a leg up in society. They want to maintain the status quo.

The Tories have created this vicious, polarised society largely due to their perverse obsession with Brexit. A society where a prime minister can refer to muslim women as letterboxes and there's hardly a word about it. Where a man who has fought his entire life against inequality and racism is constantly smeared as anti-semitic. Where a female MP gets murdered for campaigning to stay in the EU by a racist nutjob fired up on misplaced fears about immigrants spread by the Tories and their friends. Tell Jo Cox's family to get a thicker skin, good lad.

[t_mac]

Hard to see Boris garner this ad-hoc support;

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-met-enormous-crowd-20938678

Yeah, "ad-hoc" 

Johnson would be down serious money to replicate this crowd and the enthusiasm. Corbyn is extremely popular among younger voters....I just hope they get out and vote.

They'll probably like his page on Facebook, but not bother their arse voting.

And then complain they aren't represented.

[trailer]

Labour will get the result they deserve by allowing Corbyn lead their party. Not a leader. Not an orator. Not credible.

[johnnycool]

Labour will get the result they deserve by allowing Corbyn lead their party. Not a leader. Not an orator. Not credible.

I'm in two minds about Corbyn..

Some things I totally agree with and other things I just can't get my head around.

The Antisemitism thing is largely stirred up by the right wing press conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism and they're two different things BUT when there are issues with downright antisemitism then deal with them FFS.

The more Corbyn goes on the more I think that he's so intransigent in his dogma that even when an open goal presents itself he's so inflexible that he misses the ball let alone the goals.

I just think he'll get to put the manifesto of his liking to the people and if he gets a majority he'll go with it, if he doesn't I think he has to step down.

Problem is Len McCluskey won't want a Keir Starmer type figure take over if Corbyn does go.

Boris on the other hand has no moral fibre, compass, whatever and will do and say anything to get into power but the people will decide.

[Denn Forever]

It seems to be the case that if you repeat something often enough, people take it as gospel.

[yellowcard]

Let's just remember that the majority of people working within the media will be losers under Corbyn's proposed manifesto. They are likely to be Tory voters and the majority of newspapers in the UK are Tory leaning due largely to economic policies. They have carried out another relentless assault job on Corbyn since the date the election was announced yet his vote is still holding up albeit not growing in any meaningful way based on polling. Whatever about policies Corbyn is real life, Johnson and his media sympathisers are anything but, theirs is a sheltered privileged world totally removed from the realities of daily life. 

[seafoid]

Labour will get the result they deserve by allowing Corbyn lead their party. Not a leader. Not an orator. Not credible.

I'm in two minds about Corbyn..

Some things I totally agree with and other things I just can't get my head around.

The Antisemitism thing is largely stirred up by the right wing press conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism and they're two different things BUT when there are issues with downright antisemitism then deal with them FFS.

The more Corbyn goes on the more I think that he's so intransigent in his dogma that even when an open goal presents itself he's so inflexible that he misses the ball let alone the goals.

I just think he'll get to put the manifesto of his liking to the people and if he gets a majority he'll go with it, if he doesn't I think he has to step down.

Problem is Len McCluskey won't want a Keir Starmer type figure take over if Corbyn does go.

Boris on the other hand has no moral fibre, compass, whatever and will do and say anything to get into power but the people will decide.

Corbyn has  already apologised. He keeps on being asked to. The reason he keeps being attacked is Israel which is scared that its impunity over human rights abuses will be stopped.

Johnson is a cokehead. 

[trailer]

Let's just remember that the majority of people working within the media will be losers under Corbyn's proposed manifesto. They are likely to be Tory voters and the majority of newspapers in the UK are Tory leaning due largely to economic policies. They have carried out another relentless assault job on Corbyn since the date the election was announced yet his vote is still holding up albeit not growing in any meaningful way based on polling. Whatever about policies Corbyn is real life, Johnson and his media sympathisers are anything but, theirs is a sheltered privileged world totally removed from the realities of daily life.

This Labour no.1 excuse. The media are against us.
There is far too much weight put on this and it needs to be called out.

[DuffleKing]

I think we're looking at a hung parliament and that will be for the best via coalition. On the brexit issue, that will guarantee a second referendum - no matter who Boris partners with - and it will therefore be resolved once and for all in some shape or form.

Five more years of a Tory government - especially one led by Johnson and the ERG - will cement the hunger for Scottish independence and should be enough to move this island very close to a border poll that could produce unity.

From a Labour perspective, the election will be a line in the sand. I think there is a huge groundswell for social justice and reform to politics that will return that society to one that puts its people first. Corbyn has that outlook and his manifesto bears it out but he just isn't a charismatic enough leader to pursuade people that it can work. That said, the british machine has attacked and denigrated him ceaselessly since he became Labour leader to minimise his credibility and electability. The City of London and the Eton brigade have ensured that press corps stay on attack around labour and socialism to make it seem like they couldn't possibly be a sensible option.

It is the same in the US - Bernie Sanders scares the sh1t out of big business and capitalism broadly. Heaven forbid the working classes would awaken and begin to understand in enough numbers that sensible socialist policies can create a society that still allows economic growth and but cares for people who need cared for and allows people a work / life balance that will be a first step to addressing the mental health and overall wellbeing crisis.

Whoever takes over Labour next has a big challenge to face down the traditional british establishment but an even bigger opportunity to build a platform that makes socialist policies not just acceptable but seen as progressive.

[magpie seanie]

The problem with the sord "socialism" is that most people don't understand what it means. Due to what they're constantly fed via the right wing media this work invokes images of Eastern Europe and supermarkets with empty shelves. When in fact what we're talking about is something akin to France or Norway.

[yellowcard]

I think we're looking at a hung parliament and that will be for the best via coalition. On the brexit issue, that will guarantee a second referendum - no matter who Boris partners with - and it will therefore be resolved once and for all in some shape or form.

Five more years of a Tory government - especially one led by Johnson and the ERG - will cement the hunger for Scottish independence and should be enough to move this island very close to a border poll that could produce unity.

From a Labour perspective, the election will be a line in the sand. I think there is a huge groundswell for social justice and reform to politics that will return that society to one that puts its people first. Corbyn has that outlook and his manifesto bears it out but he just isn't a charismatic enough leader to pursuade people that it can work. That said, the british machine has attacked and denigrated him ceaselessly since he became Labour leader to minimise his credibility and electability. The City of London and the Eton brigade have ensured that press corps stay on attack around labour and socialism to make it seem like they couldn't possibly be a sensible option.

It is the same in the US - Bernie Sanders scares the sh1t out of big business and capitalism broadly. Heaven forbid the working classes would awaken and begin to understand in enough numbers that sensible socialist policies can create a society that still allows economic growth and but cares for people who need cared for and allows people a work / life balance that will be a first step to addressing the mental health and overall wellbeing crisis.

Whoever takes over Labour next has a big challenge to face down the traditional british establishment but an even bigger opportunity to build a platform that makes socialist policies not just acceptable but seen as progressive.

Would be in total agreement with this.

[johnnycool]

Let's just remember that the majority of people working within the media will be losers under Corbyn's proposed manifesto. They are likely to be Tory voters and the majority of newspapers in the UK are Tory leaning due largely to economic policies. They have carried out another relentless assault job on Corbyn since the date the election was announced yet his vote is still holding up albeit not growing in any meaningful way based on polling. Whatever about policies Corbyn is real life, Johnson and his media sympathisers are anything but, theirs is a sheltered privileged world totally removed from the realities of daily life.

This Labour no.1 excuse. The media are against us.
There is far too much weight put on this and it needs to be called out.

I've taken to "following" Laura Kuenssberg and there's a definite trait to her tweets.

She went after Corbyn for not outright apologising for anti-semitism but when this morning when Corbyn produced the trade documents her first instinct was to challenge their veracity and then to suggest that there's nothing in them..

Have a wee gander for yourself.

Make no mistake post Brexit the US will have the UK under the cosh and will get whatever concessions it wants out of the UK government and pharma will be at the front of the queue.