11th night bonfires

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Kilkevan

Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 07:13:27 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 17, 2017, 02:45:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 16, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 07:44:18 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 16, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.
In Government in the North they sign off on Tory austerity. . They are similar to Labour. Full of talk in opposition but do what they are told in government.
A SF government in the South would maintain 15% tax.
Being pro gay rights costs nothing. 

The problem with neoliberalism is that it is unstable. And when it crashes working class voters get shafted.

Sinn Féin blocked the Tory welfare bill so it's absolutely false that they have toed the Conservative line at every point. Maintaining the 15% tax rate is necessary if Ireland wants to compete internationally. That's realpolitik, I don't like it and I suspect most in Sinn Féin don't but the country has to attract international employers if it wants to be successful.

The Great Unwashed Juche Front of Trotskyism or whatever they're calling themselves today want a society where nobody has any responsibilities whatsoever but only have rights. Real society doesn't function like that.

Name one single thing the likes of McCann, Carroll or Boyd Barrett have achieved other than saving the nation money in terms of soap and water (un)used in their offices.

Quote from: LCohen on July 16, 2017, 07:42:42 PM
Quote from: Kilkevan on July 16, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
On the Sinn Féin website right now are press releases:

Calling for the reopening of Al Aqsa mosque (equality - left wing).
Raising concern over Bessborough (to avoid evidence against big organisations who mistreated vulnerable residents being lost - left wing).
Challenging the Taoiseach over Jobstown allegations (taking the side of the little man - left wing).
Calling the raising of pension age to 70 ridiculous (siding with older people - left wing).
Making dedicated respite care a priority (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Making affordable child care and tackling child poverty key priorities (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Highlighting only 21% of a fund for housing people with disabilities being spent in 2016 (supporting the vulnerable - left wing).
Condemning homophobic abuse (equality - left wing).

I could go on, but what's the point... Sinn Féin actually go out and tackle issues and fight for people on a left wing basis rather than sitting in darkened rooms, trying to ignore the smell from their unwashed hair, clothes and bodies whilst arguing about who is more left wing like the waste of space Trots with their goon show representatives like Eamonn McCann, Gerry Carroll (man makes me vomit) and Richard Boyd Barrett unable to decide on what to call themselves from one day to the next.

Can you list their firm policy proposals and funding?

All in the alternative budget which they publish every year and are, in fact, the only party to do so:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/budget2017
15% tax and membership of the euro "are realpolitik".  I am not sure.  Because they' expose the country to an unstable system in which profits are privatised and losses are socialised.

Who paid to bail out Anglo? Did any company paying tax chip.in ? Or was it the people ?
What did SF do in the North to protect voters from the next crash ?

What's your alternative Pol Pot?
I think you can do better than the Eurozone not having a bank bailout fund without needing to resort to genocide.
In 2006 56% of people in the South were members of a private pension scheme.  Today it''s 30%.
That is the system.

I agree, but Sinn Féin aren't part of the system. They opposed the bailout for a start and argued for burning the bondholders.

The PBP are a joke, they achieve nothing other than damage an already fragile left wing vote in the south. I'd love to see you outline just one thing they've achieved.

seafoid

Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2017, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 17, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2017, 10:07:31 AM
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip
This is a lazy assessment, the DUP and SF now represent the middle ground whilst holding on to those in their support with more extreme views. The more Unionists and the press demonise SF and their voters the stronger they will become.

Whatever about the DUP, SF got more votes not because people became extreme but because SF moved towards the people. And the DUP have become more extreme under Foster, but they still represent "moderation" when compared to the TUV.
It''s a totally polarised political system. Maybe it's all the DUP''s fault but I doubt it. Maybe SF are just reacting to DUP paranoia.  Maybe they generate some of it
Would it be different if the UUP was the biggest party?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

armaghniac

Quote from: Applesisapples on July 17, 2017, 11:29:33 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on July 17, 2017, 11:13:02 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 17, 2017, 10:27:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2017, 10:07:31 AM
Apart from being not SF, what is the SDLP and that "significant number if the electorate"  for?
SF are neoliberal
The SDLP could work on that

NI is weird cos the moderate parties were eclipsed by the DUP and SF
Maybe if there is another crisis voters will flip
This is a lazy assessment, the DUP and SF now represent the middle ground whilst holding on to those in their support with more extreme views. The more Unionists and the press demonise SF and their voters the stronger they will become.

Whatever about the DUP, SF got more votes not because people became extreme but because SF moved towards the people. And the DUP have become more extreme under Foster, but they still represent "moderation" when compared to the TUV.
Not scientific but I get the sense that as a nationalist majority looms Unionism is coalescing out of fear and their reaction will drive support for SF and a UI.

Which is why the union is no good. If the unionists really wanted the union and not just supremacy then they would ensure a NI that people had no real reason to want to leave, which in current terms would be one in which in things the Irish language were respected and promoted and trade and commerce with the rest of the island facilitated and developed. They clearly do not want a union that works for all, but only supremacy.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

ashman

Kilkevan

SF agreed in principle to the bank guarantee in 2008 .  Then realising the consequences that we anti it .  They argued to burn the bond holders which was easy in opposition but never ever explained how they would meet the consequent gap in income v expenditure .

SF are Fianna Fail's little brother .

Kilkevan

Quote from: ashman on July 17, 2017, 12:26:48 PM
Kilkevan

SF agreed in principle to the bank guarantee in 2008 .  Then realising the consequences that we anti it .  They argued to burn the bond holders which was easy in opposition but never ever explained how they would meet the consequent gap in income v expenditure .

SF are Fianna Fail's little brother .

So they were pro something, then realised it was bad for the country and changed their position and went anti it. Sounds like intelligent politics to me. Fianna Fail wrecked the country, not Sinn Féin.

Wildweasel74

Wheres this majority u keep talking about! I been hearing this line for 15yrs and still unionist hold a bigger % and will do for the next 30yrs by which i be long gone; so the ui talk doesnt really hold much sway for me as in the present day health sevice a mess; education  at tipping point but hey lets all talk about a ui! Maybe if u look at voting patterns nearly 35-40% dont vote cause they give up on clowns talking about a ui and flags/bonfires and marches!!

Jim_Murphy_74

I see newspaper reports on bonfires being removed.   This won't please some people.

/Jim.

omaghjoe

Surprised at Gavin Robinson has supported the removal of the bonfire in east Belfast but I had a chuckle at this quote from him

"To my mind there is no part of unionist culture that involves the potential threat of burning out your neighbours, of destroying property or of risking life.

Jayop

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
Wheres this majority u keep talking about! I been hearing this line for 15yrs and still unionist hold a bigger % and will do for the next 30yrs by which i be long gone; so the ui talk doesnt really hold much sway for me as in the present day health sevice a mess; education  at tipping point but hey lets all talk about a ui! Maybe if u look at voting patterns nearly 35-40% dont vote cause they give up on clowns talking about a ui and flags/bonfires and marches!!

haha such a load of crap. I'll just take the most gaping load of crap though which is your final line.

In the 2016 General Election in Ireland turnout was 65%
In the 2017 UK General Election turnout was 68%
In the 2017 NI Assembly Election turnout was 65%

Brexit was slightly higher with 72% but within NI turnout was 63%

So it would seem that people choosing to vote/abstain isn't based on whether they think the politicians are clowns who just shout about flags or the UI. That's a pretty standard turnout for most western elections.

trueblue1234

Quote from: Jayop on July 11, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
Wheres this majority u keep talking about! I been hearing this line for 15yrs and still unionist hold a bigger % and will do for the next 30yrs by which i be long gone; so the ui talk doesnt really hold much sway for me as in the present day health sevice a mess; education  at tipping point but hey lets all talk about a ui! Maybe if u look at voting patterns nearly 35-40% dont vote cause they give up on clowns talking about a ui and flags/bonfires and marches!!

haha such a load of crap. I'll just take the most gaping load of crap though which is your final line.

In the 2016 General Election in Ireland turnout was 65%
In the 2017 UK General Election turnout was 68%
In the 2017 NI Assembly Election turnout was 65%

Brexit was slightly higher with 72% but within NI turnout was 63%

So it would seem that people choosing to vote/abstain isn't based on whether they think the politicians are clowns who just shout about flags or the UI. That's a pretty standard turnout for most western elections.

You're very slow at the auld typing. 
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

johnnycool

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 11, 2018, 02:56:35 PM
I see newspaper reports on bonfires being removed.   This won't please some people.

/Jim.

Peelers must have developed a bit of backbone to go and sort it out rather than come out with some mealy mouthed bullshit about working with the local bonfire builders for an amicable solution where the bonfire builders just do what they want anyway.

Long overdue.

Any farmers having their own "bonfires" tonight?

haranguerer

the cops don't deserve any credit for this. Court order, being removed by external contractors. Cops forced belatedly to do their duty

Milltown Row2

Quote from: haranguerer on July 11, 2018, 03:58:04 PM
the cops don't deserve any credit for this. Court order, being removed by external contractors. Cops forced belatedly to do their duty

Cops do what they are told, so if they are told to take it down they will! Cops deserve credit though in this situation as they'll be attacked by the rug rats. Police don't form policies they just carry them out? I assume
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Jim_Murphy_74

Quote from: johnnycool on July 11, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
Any farmers having their own "bonfires" tonight?

Down our way we have on on the Eve of St. John's.  Fr one night only Council and Guards turned a blind eye to burning.  We did a clear out of the barn and burnt it all.   One lad was away that week and he was suggesting we start marking the Glorious Twelfth as well so that he could do the same.

Mind you ia bit of burning down a field is a far cry from the towering infernos in built up areas that you see up yer way.

/Jim.

imtommygunn

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2018, 04:03:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on July 11, 2018, 03:58:04 PM
the cops don't deserve any credit for this. Court order, being removed by external contractors. Cops forced belatedly to do their duty

Cops do what they are told, so if they are told to take it down they will! Cops deserve credit though in this situation as they'll be attacked by the rug rats. Police don't form policies they just carry them out? I assume

They are getting a lot of flak from the "loyalist" community for heavy handedness and claiming they aren't doing the same in the bogside. They reckon hamilton should resign and the ruc need to come back. You couldn't make it up.