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Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« on: October 30, 2017, 11:52:18 AM »
Day to Day, what will the implementation of this Act do?  Arguements on the radio seem to be reducing it to having both languages on road signs.  Is this what iti is?

If it is introduced tomorrow, what does it mean?  Compulsory teaching of Irish in schools?  I say this as in the South,Republic, Free State call it whatever, the compulsory  teaching of Irish hasn't been a resounding success.  Most people would have a smattering of Irish words but would not be able to have a conversation in Irish (Gaeltacts  being the exception).  Is Northern Ireland going back to direct rule from London?
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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 12:13:36 PM »
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 12:15:40 PM »
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? Itís a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 12:27:50 PM »
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? Itís a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

Perhaps Michelle O'Neill thought she needed a win to solidify her position, but shes left herself in a more precarious position because she might not have the credentials to weather backing down.

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 01:06:22 PM »
Foster said there would be no Irish language act on her watch. SF thought we will see about that and here we are.

Why not before though ? Itís a total red herring. How many programmes for government have SF signed up for and not a mention of an ILA

You are missing the point SF couldn't give a stuff about the Irish language however the nationalist electorate have had enough hence the sudden u turn. SF pretty much were getting hammered by their own grass roots following years of DUP nonsense. All Martin McGuiness good intentions to make stormont work just ended up encouraging the DUP to take the piss more and more. If it wasnt the Irish language act it would have been something else. As mentioned earlier the euphoria with nationalism post GFA has long gone and quite frankly few will miss stormont. Direct rule means things will get done and bonus for SF is they can wash their hands of any unpopular decisions so why the fook would they want to go back to being the DUP's junior partner.

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 01:12:21 PM »
This issue sums up the nonsense that identity politics wields in the North.We may be starving,unable to access decent health or educational services,but all that matters is that one side does or doesn't get its way in a game constantly with a zero sum outcome.

Until the shift is made away from identity politics and the failed and obsolete philosophies of Ulster Unionism and Irish nationalism are marginalised,and a common Northern Irish identity emphasised and prioritised,thus eradicating division,we will never have an effective functioning assembly.

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 01:29:38 PM »
This issue sums up the nonsense that identity politics wields in the North.We may be starving,unable to access decent health or educational services,but all that matters is that one side does or doesn't get its way in a game constantly with a zero sum outcome.

Until the shift is made away from identity politics and the failed and obsolete philosophies of Ulster Unionism and Irish nationalism are marginalised,and a common Northern Irish identity emphasised and prioritised,thus eradicating division,we will never have an effective functioning assembly.

No need for a ridiculous "Northern" Irish identity, the regular Irish one will do fine.
In the short term while unionists are playing these games, there is nothing to be done but to stand up to them.
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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 02:04:24 PM »
What is an Irish identity? Is it imitating overpaid thick Premier League footballers by turning a hurling trophy celebration into a sleazefest with prostitutes? Is it legalising gay marriage? Secularism? I don't identify with any of those.

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 02:26:52 PM »
What is an Irish identity? Is it imitating overpaid thick Premier League footballers by turning a hurling trophy celebration into a sleazefest with prostitutes? Is it legalising gay marriage? Secularism? I don't identify with any of those.

The people that are being brought up under this new "Northern Irish" identity, the first proper generation of them overwhelmingly support gay marriage and secularism. Sleazefests with prostitutes is hardly symbolic of wider southern Irish identity.

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 02:54:05 PM »
What is an Irish identity? Is it imitating overpaid thick Premier League footballers by turning a hurling trophy celebration into a sleazefest with prostitutes? Is it legalising gay marriage? Secularism? I don't identify with any of those.
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As for Stormont it's obvious the Brits want to keep it in existence but if the Shinners genuinely couldn't care less about it then it's good night Irene.
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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2017, 03:15:07 PM »
So SF accepts British Tory/Direct Rule when they could keep their own hands on the tiller? Was the whole GFA argument propagated by them not that it enabled Irish men and women to run their own affairs? Did they not often allude to what Paisley said to McGuinness in 2006, "Martin we do not need Englishmen to tell us what to do?"

Why hand it over unnecessarily after putting so much effort in to ending Westminster rule?

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 03:19:05 PM »
What is an Irish identity? Is it imitating overpaid thick Premier League footballers by turning a hurling trophy celebration into a sleazefest with prostitutes? Is it legalising gay marriage? Secularism? I don't identify with any of those.
Be gob Tony but you have little to be worrying about.
You were born 30 years too late it seems.
As for Stormont it's obvious the Brits want to keep it in existence but if the Shinners genuinely couldn't care less about it then it's good night Irene.

Yes and no.  I think SF want to do a deal but the problem (for them) is that the vast majority of their voters (and the wider nationalist constituency) don't give a shite whether Stormont comes back or not.  The GFA and power sharing was an experiment worth trying, but it has failed.  Too many deals have been endorsed by SF without a timetable for implementation. 

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2017, 03:21:46 PM »
So SF accepts British Tory/Direct Rule when they could keep their own hands on the tiller? Was the whole GFA argument propagated by them not that it enabled Irish men and women to run their own affairs? Did they not often allude to what Paisley said to McGuinness in 2006, "Martin we do not need Englishmen to tell us what to do?"

Why hand it over unnecessarily after putting so much effort in to ending Westminster rule?

The other side of this argument is that "I don't care who empties my bins, as long as they are emptied by someone."

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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2017, 03:57:54 PM »
I feel like SF have scored a bit of an own-goal here. They "threatened" to walk out of power-sharing, and the unionists said "Okay then." Here's the problem. If you "threaten" to walk out of power-sharing, unionists don't perceive it as a threat. That's like "threatening" your child that you'll take away his vegetables if he doesn't eat them. They don't want power-sharing (or "mandatory coalition" as they call it) because of the old "not a catholic about the place" mentality. They'd rather have direct rule than let the fenians have a say in how the place is run.
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Re: Irish Language Act. Is the only thing stopping Stormont sitting
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 04:36:02 PM »
Don't think that's right.DUP and UUP like the big Stormont salaries,family employment,cars etc.They are suspicious of direct rule as it will give Dublin a greater say etc.