At the Sinn Fein party conference last week, there was the expected praise for Martin McGuinness.
Yet unionists are upset, that nationalists should honour their dead.
wee link (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-glorification-of-terrorism-makes-northern-ireland-powersharing-restoration-more-difficult-arlene-foster-36340605.html)
A couple of weeks ago, the whole country had to stop whilst unionists honoured their fallen heroes. Some people are even shamed into buying poppies.
Is this not the biggest of double standards?
Do you expect anything else from those blinkered floots?
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
At the Sinn Fein party conference last week, there was the expected praise for Martin McGuinness.
Yet unionists are upset, that nationalists should honour their dead.
wee link (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-glorification-of-terrorism-makes-northern-ireland-powersharing-restoration-more-difficult-arlene-foster-36340605.html)
A couple of weeks ago, the whole country had to stop whilst unionists honoured their fallen heroes. Some people are even shamed into buying poppies.
Is this not the biggest of double standards?
Not just unionists who are upset. I'm sure Patsy Gillespie's family were upset too.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/martin-mcguinness-refuses-to-condemn-ira-human-bomb-attack-in-1990-dubbed-the-work-of-satan-by-catholic-bishop-29733940.html
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
At the Sinn Fein party conference last week, there was the expected praise for Martin McGuinness.
Yet unionists are upset, that nationalists should honour their dead.
wee link (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-glorification-of-terrorism-makes-northern-ireland-powersharing-restoration-more-difficult-arlene-foster-36340605.html)
A couple of weeks ago, the whole country had to stop whilst unionists honoured their fallen heroes. Some people are even shamed into buying poppies.
Is this not the biggest of double standards?
Law and order is a Unionist dog whistle. Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.
https://youtu.be/EvoVI8r8hZw
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Quote from: Orchard park on November 22, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Just because you start to mop up the blood you spilt it doesn't mean you're absolved from spilling it in the first place.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
An ignorant free stater comment if ever I saw one.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 22, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Just because you start to mop up the blood you spilt it doesn't mean you're absolved from spilling it in the first place.
How long is a piece of string? Because if we go that route, then hardly any leader deserves honouring.
Lads its all about the sound bites with the DUP at the minute. If you say the same thing over and over again eventually people will take it in as gospel. Look at brexit, the DUP/Tories keep saying there will be no physical border whilst every sane man/woman on the street knows there will be, but they will keep saying it as it will stop people from mobilising any real counter action to it. Then when the customs checkpoints go up the talk will be that this is only a temporary measure until a final non physical solution is found but we know that is never going to happen.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 22, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Just because you start to mop up the blood you spilt it doesn't mean you're absolved from spilling it in the first place.
How long is a piece of string? Because if we go that route, then hardly any leader deserves honouring.
There's a whole hell of a lot of difference between Enda Kenny and Martin McGuiness. One was a career politician, the other ran a terrorist organisation blowing up civilians and robbing banks when it saw fit an who did a bit of politics on the side.
The gun stoppped being an acceptable part of Irish politics a long time before people like McGuiness realised it and it's the main reason no one will enter government with SF.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 22, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Just because you start to mop up the blood you spilt it doesn't mean you're absolved from spilling it in the first place.
How long is a piece of string? Because if we go that route, then hardly any leader deserves honouring.
There's a whole hell of a lot of difference between Enda Kenny and Martin McGuiness. One was a career politician, the other ran a terrorist organisation blowing up civilians and robbing banks when it saw fit an who did a bit of politics on the side.
The gun stoppped being an acceptable part of Irish politics a long time before people like McGuiness realised it and it's the main reason no one will enter government with SF.
I know I shouldn't, but at what point did the gun become unacceptable? And what made it acceptable before that?
I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:33:32 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 22, 2017, 09:31:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
So mcguinness had nompisitive contribution since 1990 ??
Whitewash and ignore history at your peril
Just because you start to mop up the blood you spilt it doesn't mean you're absolved from spilling it in the first place.
How long is a piece of string? Because if we go that route, then hardly any leader deserves honouring.
There's a whole hell of a lot of difference between Enda Kenny and Martin McGuiness. One was a career politician, the other ran a terrorist organisation blowing up civilians and robbing banks when it saw fit an who did a bit of politics on the side.
The gun stoppped being an acceptable part of Irish politics a long time before people like McGuiness realised it and it's the main reason no one will enter government with SF.
You are correct. Mc Guinness was a man of principle which is more can be said about the blue shirt from the west
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.
MM has already said he's not going to go into government with SF. The political damage for going against the will of the people and his own words would literally end his political career. Try again.
Quote from: Leonardo on November 22, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
McGuiness dragged Ireland backwards before he took a step forward. He can be commended for being more honest than Adams in his IRA role and trying his best to make amends in his later years but it's people like John Hume who never took up the gun that are the real heroes of the north.
SF over-taking the more reasonable nationalist parties in the north was something that set back the north in many ways. The two main unionist and republican parties now are both born of insular extremism. That is never the way forward for anything.
Can you answer my questions?
Agree with what you are saying about the 2 extreme parties in our current situation.
However, if you go back 20-30years, we wouldn't have got to where we are now without McGuiness / Adams.
Its to our eternal shame that lives were lost throughout this conflict, and some horrendous acts were carried out, but I go back to my original point, unless you lived through what was going on here, you probably won't understand that people did what needed to be done in order to give nationalists a voice. I think that reflects worse on the Unionists that treated us in the manner they did
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 10:27:06 PM
McGuiness dragged Ireland backwards before he took a step forward. He can be commended for being more honest than Adams in his IRA role and trying his best to make amends in his later years but it's people like John Hume who never took up the gun that are the real heroes of the north.
SF over-taking the more reasonable nationalist parties in the north was something that set back the north in many ways. The two main unionist and republican parties now are both bore of insular extremism. That is never the way forward for anything.
F**k me. That's a copy and paste job of the narrative given by all the free state newspapers.
The brainwashing succeeded.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 09:29:28 PM
Honoring McGuiness is as turgid and regressive as honoring Paisley. Both are best forgotten.
How does it feel basking in the freedom won for you by Irish republicans who killed people to achieve that freedom. Michael Collins no different to Martin McGuinness, a bullet in the head in 1919 is no different to a bullet in the head in 1986
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.
MM has already said he's not going to go into government with SF. The political damage for going against the will of the people and his own words would literally end his political career. Try again.
And you are the person who would believe the word of a politician ;D
If after the next election, where the FF party decide to turn down an option to lead a coalition government because of their principled objection not to entertain a partnership with SF, then I'll take their 'principled' objection seriously. Until that time it's just guff.
MM would resign to allow that happen.
If after the next election we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
If after the next election we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.
When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.
SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.
Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.
The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF's bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.
Do you really believe the Auctioneers and Builders party are going to shore up the Blueshirts after the next election?
And when are you going to read the history of the 6 Cos between 1922 and 1971?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2017, 11:53:32 PM
Do you really believe the Auctioneers and Builders party are going to shore up the Blueshirts after the next election?
And when are you going to read the history of the 6 Cos between 1922 and 1971?
They will do a deal again if needs be, even though policywise they make perfect government partners history and a lack of humility on FF's part prevents them from forming a government.
That they were more willing to cut a deal with each other than even explore coalition options with SF tells you how little their legacy has been normalised.
If FF and FG get as many votes as you suggest the will of the people is overwhelmingly for a center-right government, not the mad policies of SF and that's before you get to their role as the political wing of a terrorist organization.
Anyone entertaining thoughts of SF being in the next government is living in a fantasy land. That goes for you, Main Street and anyone else contemplating those notions.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
If after the next election we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.
When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.
SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.
Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.
The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF's bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.
Syferus was all for the sectarian murder of Protestants down in Cork in the 1920s and the murder of RIC officers and civilians by Republicans during the War of Independence. Most free staters seem to be of the opinion that murder and violence was OK so that they could have their own freedom but were quite happy to stand idly by and watch a pogrom taking place 50 years later across the border, subsequently wringing their hands and screaming when the persecuted community had the temerity to stand up for themselves when nobody else would. That's what it all boils down to, sadly.
History will remember Martin McGuinness very fondly, it will remember his courage, sacrifice and selflessness - a life devoted to the betterment of his community.
I assume syphilis has similar opinions on founders of all political parties in Ireland? All founded with the gun, all unapologetic for it. Another stupid post.
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2017, 12:03:15 AM
I assume syphilis has similar opinions on founders of all political parties in Ireland? All founded with the gun, all unapologetic for it. Another stupid post.
Apples and oranges, as always some wish that 1916 is easily mappable to 1986 but sadly it isn't. There's a reason Dev and Collins left SF and the IRA behind.
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: Main Street on November 22, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.
MM has already said he's not going to go into government with SF. The political damage for going against the will of the people and his own words would literally end his political career. Try again.
Quote from: Leonardo on November 22, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
McGuiness dragged Ireland backwards before he took a step forward. He can be commended for being more honest than Adams in his IRA role and trying his best to make amends in his later years but it's people like John Hume who never took up the gun that are the real heroes of the north.
SF over-taking the more reasonable nationalist parties in the north was something that set back the north in many ways. The two main unionist and republican parties now are both born of insular extremism. That is never the way forward for anything.
Hume endorsed the jailing of nationalists without cause or trial. John Hume is the poster boy for free staters, for people who have absolutely no idea about the brutality of the British regime on the nationalists in the North.
If ever a poster could have done with a spell under the Brits in Occupied Ulster, it would have been you.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2017, 12:03:15 AM
I assume syphilis has similar opinions on founders of all political parties in Ireland? All founded with the gun, all unapologetic for it. Another stupid post.
Apples and oranges, as always some wish that 1916 is easily mappable to 1986 but sadly it doesn't. There's a reason Dev and Collins left SF and the IRA behind.
Why did Collins leave them? To take his place as a British Military general and turn British artillery on his former comrades in the Four Courts?
Why did DeValera leave it? To step down from office with his state a decrepid third world hovel but his personal account immensely wealthy?
Both left the IRA with blood on their hands, at least in the defence of Collins you can say he didn't have any time to shape his legacy. What we know about DeValera was that all the blood he has on his hands were self-serving.
The terrorist is the one with the small bomb.
Quote from: Orior on November 22, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
At the Sinn Fein party conference last week, there was the expected praise for Martin McGuinness.
Yet unionists are upset, that nationalists should honour their dead.
wee link (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-glorification-of-terrorism-makes-northern-ireland-powersharing-restoration-more-difficult-arlene-foster-36340605.html)
A couple of weeks ago, the whole country had to stop whilst unionists honoured their fallen heroes. Some people are even shamed into buying poppies.
Is this not the biggest of double standards?
Very few people care. The DUP are not upset about this. The Unionist community are not upset by this.
We look for the DUP and SF to change then we react to every script they hand us as if they really believe it.
It's a common trick. FG TD's regularly talk about IRA victims. They don't give a feck about those victims. We all know it yet we all react as if they are genuine.
There's enough to get upset about without getting upset about the stuff made up to get us upset.
Quote from: Leonardo on November 22, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
70s and 80s! Stop rewriting the situation to suit your viewpoint
Quote from: Avondhu star on November 23, 2017, 08:08:54 AM
Quote from: Leonardo on November 22, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
70s and 80s! Stop rewriting the situation to suit your viewpoint
How's he rewriting anything?
Just because it wasn't reported like it was by RTÉ, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Quote from: johnneycool on November 23, 2017, 09:21:00 AM
How's he rewriting anything?
Just because it wasn't reported like it was by RTÉ, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
It's semantic satiation.
'Second class citizen' doesn't mean anything anymore. A great victory somewhere.
FF and FG are a long time finished with the gun.
Now they just allow another country to refuel on their way to blowing the shit out of less important people. We don't see the blood on the telly so maybe it's not happening.
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 23, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
If after the next election we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.
When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.
SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.
Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.
The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF's bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.
Syferus was all for the sectarian murder of Protestants down in Cork in the 1920s and the murder of RIC officers and civilians by Republicans during the War of Independence. Most free staters seem to be of the opinion that murder and violence was OK so that they could have their own freedom but were quite happy to stand idly by and watch a pogrom taking place 50 years later across the border, subsequently wringing their hands and screaming when the persecuted community had the temerity to stand up for themselves when nobody else would. That's what it all boils down to, sadly.
History will remember Martin McGuinness very fondly, it will remember his courage, sacrifice and selflessness - a life devoted to the betterment of his community.
Its a handy number denegrading those who gave their lives to protect the catholic, nationalist, native occupants of the 6 counties during the British run pogrom.
Nothing much else to be at in Roscommon to be honest, demilitrised zone for quislings.
Negotiate what? These steps towards fairness and equality were supposed to implemented years ago and the DUP signed up to it! They have been dragging their heels for far too long and placing obstacle after obstacle in the way. Not to mention their abuse of power, misuse of legislation, financial underhandedness/ineptness, use of paramilitaries to ensure votes and utter disrespect and intolerance. Obviously it's not ideal but why should it be accepted any longer?
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Err, it was brought down due to DUP arrogance around the Irish language act and the wood pellet scandal of which they haven't budged an inch on either, SF are right on this one.
Don't even mention Mr Girvan and his Orange hall grants.
No equality, no Assembly is a reasonable stance IMO.
Quote from: outinfront on November 23, 2017, 12:04:22 PM
Negotiate what? These steps towards fairness and equality were supposed to implemented years ago and the DUP signed up to it! They have been dragging their heels for far too long and placing obstacle after obstacle in the way. Not to mention their abuse of power, misuse of legislation, financial underhandedness/ineptness, use of paramilitaries to ensure votes and utter disrespect and intolerance. Obviously it's not ideal but why should it be accepted any longer?
Lads he is being a WUM on this thread. He has no clue what he is talking about on this.
Quote from: tiempo on November 23, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 23, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2017, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 22, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
If after the next election we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.
When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.
SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.
Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.
The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF's bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.
Syferus was all for the sectarian murder of Protestants down in Cork in the 1920s and the murder of RIC officers and civilians by Republicans during the War of Independence. Most free staters seem to be of the opinion that murder and violence was OK so that they could have their own freedom but were quite happy to stand idly by and watch a pogrom taking place 50 years later across the border, subsequently wringing their hands and screaming when the persecuted community had the temerity to stand up for themselves when nobody else would. That's what it all boils down to, sadly.
History will remember Martin McGuinness very fondly, it will remember his courage, sacrifice and selflessness - a life devoted to the betterment of his community.
Its a handy number denegrading those who gave their lives to protect the catholic, nationalist, native occupants of the 6 counties during the British run pogrom.
Nothing much else to be at in Roscommon to be honest, demilitrised zone for quislings.
dont generalise Roscommon, i personally know plenty, including close relatives, of Rossies who fought border campaigns in the 50s and to their death bed did their best to create a 32 county republic. Not all of us buy into simplistc blueshirt propoganda
Quote from: johnneycool on November 23, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Err, it was brought down due to DUP arrogance around the Irish language act and the wood pellet scandal of which they haven't budged an inch on either, SF are right on this one.
Don't even mention Mr Girvan and his Orange hall grants.
No equality, no Assembly is a reasonable stance IMO.
SF has no interest in an ILA until the last few months. Signed up for programme for government after programme for government without a mention.
Quote from: Minder on November 23, 2017, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on November 23, 2017, 12:09:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Err, it was brought down due to DUP arrogance around the Irish language act and the wood pellet scandal of which they haven't budged an inch on either, SF are right on this one.
Don't even mention Mr Girvan and his Orange hall grants.
No equality, no Assembly is a reasonable stance IMO.
SF has no interest in an ILA until the last few months. Signed up for programme for government after programme for government without a mention.
Agreed, but it was the test the DUP failed in terms of equality and as agreed by all parties at St Andrews irrespective of what the DUP say that they didn't agree to it.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Really? Negotiate what exactly? The vast majority of nationalist do not want Sinn Fein to resume power sharing as it was before. Those same nationalists ie their voters,wanted them to bring it down.
Quote from: HiMucker on November 23, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Really? Negotiate what exactly? The vast majority of nationalist do not want Sinn Fein to resume power sharing as it was before. Those same nationalists ie their voters,wanted them to bring it down.
This is more or less it. Power sharing is over. It doesn't work. The GFA is a busted flush. Adams got one thing right. It's the equality agenda Unionists can't handle, though he used a different turn of phrase!
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
Speaking common sense up here has been outlawed by Stormont. Ironically, it was the only thing they ever agreed on. Along with a pay rise.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
The Tories will eventually tire of the unionists and shaft them. They always do.
Quote from: NAG1 on November 23, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Lads he is being a WUM on this thread. He has no clue what he is talking about on this.
Do you mean Outinfront or Syferus?
The latter isn't a wind-up merchant, he is just ignorant of the facts. And he's a Fine Gaeler which means he's got some media-guided bitter twisted hatred of the north and the people left behind by the free state government.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
It's more a case of your lack of understanding on most things rather than a shortage of common sense by the masses. You've proved it numerous times on this board that you post on things you don't understand or have basically gotten wrong. You certainly don't believe it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 23, 2017, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
It's more a case of your lack of understanding on most things rather than a shortage of common sense by the masses. You've proved it numerous times on this board that you post on things you don't understand or have basically gotten wrong. You certainly don't believe it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
+1
not the first time he's shown himself up as a gombeen.
Quote from: foxcommander on November 23, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 23, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Lads he is being a WUM on this thread. He has no clue what he is talking about on this.
Do you mean Outinfront or Syferus?
The latter isn't a wind-up merchant, he is just ignorant of the facts. And he's a Fine Gaeler which means he's got some media-guided bitter twisted hatred of the north and the people left behind by the free state government.
I meant the latter
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 01:31:28 PM
Any Sinners even suggesting power-sharing is done when the DUP have May over a barrel in Westminster and benefit greatly from direct rule are akin to turkeys voting for Christmas.
The north is a bizarro world where common sense has always been in short supply on both sides.
The north is a bizarre, because it was a line drawn on a map nigh on 100 years ago Syf. It was created because the Unionists would cause holy hell. Despite getting their wishes of a Northern statelet, they caused hell for a lot of the minority in their controlled statlet. Hence the civil rights movement and the Troubles.
That's what they taught me in school.
Quote from: NAG1 on November 23, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on November 23, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on November 23, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
Lads he is being a WUM on this thread. He has no clue what he is talking about on this.
Do you mean Outinfront or Syferus?
The latter isn't a wind-up merchant, he is just ignorant of the facts. And he's a Fine Gaeler which means he's got some media-guided bitter twisted hatred of the north and the people left behind by the free state government.
I meant the latter
I defer to Destro's comment
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on November 23, 2017, 12:10:24 AM
If ever a poster could have done with a spell under the Brits in Occupied Ulster, it would have been you.
Syferus would certainly have a different perspective if he had any real knowledge of the subject.
The FG voters who watched on with their hands behind their backs still carry the shame of their inaction. It's why they still come out with the same bullshit to try clear their conscience.
Quote from: AQMP on November 23, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 23, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Really? Negotiate what exactly? The vast majority of nationalist do not want Sinn Fein to resume power sharing as it was before. Those same nationalists ie their voters,wanted them to bring it down.
This is more or less it. Power sharing is over. It doesn't work. The GFA is a busted flush. Adams got one thing right. It's the equality agenda Unionists can't handle, though he used a different turn of phrase!
Ha! You're sounding like the one-man-show called Jim Allister.
Quote from: Orior on November 23, 2017, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: AQMP on November 23, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on November 23, 2017, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Really? Negotiate what exactly? The vast majority of nationalist do not want Sinn Fein to resume power sharing as it was before. Those same nationalists ie their voters,wanted them to bring it down.
This is more or less it. Power sharing is over. It doesn't work. The GFA is a busted flush. Adams got one thing right. It's the equality agenda Unionists can't handle, though he used a different turn of phrase!
Ha! You're sounding like the one-man-show called Jim Allister.
A busted clock is right twice a day...
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Christ you really haven't a notion.
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:02:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.
Err, you're talking about the party that isn't even bothering it's hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.
Christ you really haven't a notion.
It's pretty clear I can see the whole picture while most here are still firing rocks from their insular little nationalist boxes. Any criticism of SF or McGuiness or Adams is always met with this silly, childish whataboutry. It's not fooling anyone in the south.
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
My opinion of SF and Adams is very, very widespread. Ffs the main parties won't even humour them for a coalition, open your eyes. SF are still a long way from normalising their legacy.
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
He's THE top spokesperson for the free state
a bit like the time he claimed to be the king of the internet
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don't think I don't understand the logistics) - there is no 'alluding' to my experience with technology - it's there in black and white.
Quote from: foxcommander on November 23, 2017, 07:12:46 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
He's THE top spokesperson for the free state
a bit like the time he claimed to be the king of the internet
Quote from: Syferus on October 06, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
I graduated from college with a BSc. in Computer Science, work as a software dev and have used computers since I could walk and have been involved with forums nearly as long (some being very much comparable to this in size, so don't think I don't understand the logistics) - there is no 'alluding' to my experience with technology - it's there in black and white.
There is no doubt. He is a cnut. He likely comes from a long line of cnuts and anything he spawns will be a cnut. Just like his royal pal mountbatten.
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
My opinion of SF and Adams is very, very widespread. Ffs the main parties won't even humour them for a coalition, open your eyes. SF are still a long way from normalising their legacy.
Meanwhile other Rossies dislike of Adams is based on he besmirching republicanism........
you have a very traditional blue view of republicanism and Sinn Fein. Does normalizing legacy mean wearing poppies and join the commonwealth like your FG clown Frankie Feighan espouses
It must gall you that Ballaghdereen returns a republican county councillor
Quote from: Orchard park on November 23, 2017, 11:07:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 23, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on November 23, 2017, 06:26:11 PM
You can hardly claim to speak for the south you clown
My opinion of SF and Adams is very, very widespread. Ffs the main parties won't even humour them for a coalition, open your eyes. SF are still a long way from normalising their legacy.
Meanwhile other Rossies dislike of Adams is based on he besmirching republicanism........
you have a very traditional blue view of republicanism and Sinn Fein. Does normalizing legacy mean wearing poppies and join the commonwealth like your FG clown Frankie Feighan espouses
It must gall you that Ballaghdereen returns a republican county councillor
I gave Michael Mulligan my #2 preference after Ming the one time I could vote for him before they reorganised the electoral area. A personal vote because he's a good man. A family friend, actually.
I hate to put a stop to your pretty hilarious Mystic Meg fantasies but I've never voted #1 for any FG or FF candidate at local, national or European level.
I hope you can recover.
Interesting how Syferus espousing his own views has drawn out the ad hominem brigade because his views are contrary to their own narrative.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 08:51:58 AM
Interesting how Syferus espousing his own views has drawn out the ad hominem brigade because his views are contrary to their own narrative.
I dont think it is the fact that his narrative is different its the fact that is based on a lack knowledge or a twisted sense of what he believes to be the case.
Most posters on here are willing to aknowledge the past with a bit of realism and actually have lived through it close at hand. So for someone to sit and throw mudballs with the intention of belittling or changing the past it seems to irk posters, but that seems to be the exact reason for doing so.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 08:51:58 AM
Interesting how Syferus espousing his own views has drawn out the ad hominem brigade because his views are contrary to their own narrative.
You don't think saying half the North lack common sense is provocation enough? Or calling posters insular for disagreeing with him?
I wonder why you felt the need to jump to his protection but not pull him on his comments?
Quote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2017, 09:46:18 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on November 24, 2017, 08:51:58 AM
Interesting how Syferus espousing his own views has drawn out the ad hominem brigade because his views are contrary to their own narrative.
I dont think it is the fact that his narrative is different its the fact that is based on a lack knowledge or a twisted sense of what he believes to be the case.
Most posters on here are willing to aknowledge the past with a bit of realism and actually have lived through it close at hand. So for someone to sit and throw mudballs with the intention of belittling or changing the past it seems to irk posters, but that seems to be the exact reason for doing so.
Quisling from the demilitrized zone of Roscommon, tagline: vomiting opinions on Gaah board since 2011.
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Gone please stop writing about something you've zero experience of, you've a serious want for attention that isn't healthy. Felt like eating my own face after reading this thread. Just be content you were born a safe distance from us cast a drift up north and leave it at that.
Quote from: JoG2 on November 24, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Gone please stop writing about something you've zero experience of, you've a serious want for attention that isn't healthy. Felt like eating my own face after reading this thread. Just be content you were born a safe distance from us cast a drift up north and leave it at that.
If that's your attempt to dismiss a perfectly valid viewpoint it was very, very weak.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Funny I would see murder carried out by the security forces who were meant to be there for the protection of the people as worse given the position of power they were in.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 24, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Gone please stop writing about something you've zero experience of, you've a serious want for attention that isn't healthy. Felt like eating my own face after reading this thread. Just be content you were born a safe distance from us cast a drift up north and leave it at that.
If that's your attempt to dismiss a perfectly valid viewpoint it was very, very weak.
With no first hand experience to back it up your "valid viewpoint" doesn't have any basis.
Yet again you're making a total fool of yourself.
Trolls like yourself need to be banned from this site. Perhaps a moderator is watching this thread and can take action.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 24, 2017, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Funny I would see murder carried out by the security forces who were meant to be there for the protection of the people as worse given the position of power they were in.
It's amazing you think a bout of whatsboutry isn't disgusting when talking about the senseless murder of Gardai. It's fair to say that approach is emblematic of a lot of the discourse in the north. No one wants to look inwards for the problem.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 24, 2017, 03:08:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Funny I would see murder carried out by the security forces who were meant to be there for the protection of the people as worse given the position of power they were in.
It's amazing you think a bout of whatsboutry isn't disgusting when talking about the senseless murder of Gardai. It's fair to say that approach is emblematic of a lot of the discourse in the north. No one wants to look inwards for the problem.
Just highlighting your complete lack of understanding in this discussion. It was you that took the approach of grading the violence that occurred in the North by claiming that IRA violence was worse than any other. So don't come back with the "Disgusting" nonsense. If you can't engage like an adult, then do us all a favour and don't post.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
No IRA involvement in the Shannons Cross killing of John Morley and Henry Byrne Syferus, the 2 who were charged and found guilty were if anything members of the INLA and its debatable whether it was a personal or INLA robbery, the IRSP denied any involvement in the time. Meanwhile the 3rd man arrested, charged and jailed in another spectacular Free State miscarriage of justice was Peter Pringle ( father of Thomas Pringle TD) who was on the sauce in galway at the time and eventually got his miscarriage of justice 14 years later.
if you want to debate do deal in actual facts...... and i can go back and recall several roscommon republicans pulled from their beds and arrested after the killing in spite by special branch men. The branch if they got away with it would have been as bad as M15 and the UDR
Quote from: Orchard park on November 24, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
No IRA involvement in the Shannons Cross killing of John Morley and Henry Byrne Syferus, the 2 who were charged and found guilty were if anything members of the INLA and its debatable whether it was a personal or INLA robbery, the IRSP denied any involvement in the time. Meanwhile the 3rd man arrested, charged and jailed in another spectacular Free State miscarriage of justice was Peter Pringle ( father of Thomas Pringle TD) who was on the sauce in galway at the time and eventually got his miscarriage of justice 14 years later.
if you want to debate do deal in actual facts...... and i can go back and recall several roscommon republicans pulled from their beds and arrested after the killing in spite by special branch men. The branch if they got away with it would have been as bad as M15 and the UDR
That you'd think trying to semantically split hairs between the umpteen republican paramilitary groups was a good tact to take is surprising - if you think there's any respect for the IRA or any republican thugs and their 'struggle' after they shot dead two guards, well more's the fool you.
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: Orchard park on November 24, 2017, 03:55:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
No IRA involvement in the Shannons Cross killing of John Morley and Henry Byrne Syferus, the 2 who were charged and found guilty were if anything members of the INLA and its debatable whether it was a personal or INLA robbery, the IRSP denied any involvement in the time. Meanwhile the 3rd man arrested, charged and jailed in another spectacular Free State miscarriage of justice was Peter Pringle ( father of Thomas Pringle TD) who was on the sauce in galway at the time and eventually got his miscarriage of justice 14 years later.
if you want to debate do deal in actual facts...... and i can go back and recall several roscommon republicans pulled from their beds and arrested after the killing in spite by special branch men. The branch if they got away with it would have been as bad as M15 and the UDR
That you'd think trying to semantically split hairs between the umpteen republican paramilitary groups was a good tact to take is surprising - if you think there's any respect for the IRA or any republican thugs and their 'struggle' after they shot dead two guards, well more's the fool you.
backtracking if ever I saw it
if you don't know the history and origins and differences in make up of the INLA and PIRA in either the 26 or 6 counties there is no point in engaging in debate.
Given there was only 2 active military republican groupings in 1980, not umpteen, it shouldn't have been that hard to differentiate when trying to so authoratively debate.
any views on how Peter Pringle was wrongly convicted
Quote from: Orchard park on November 24, 2017, 04:08:16 PM
if you don't know the history and origins and differences in make up of the INLA and PIRA in either the 26 or 6 counties there is no point in engaging in debate.
Given there was only 2 active military republican groupings in 1980, not umpteen, it shouldn't have been that hard to differentiate when trying to so authoratively debate.
any views on how Peter Pringle was wrongly convicted
Unfortunately lack of knowledge does not seem like a deterrent for Syferus on this or any topic. His usual stance is to stick his head in the sand when presented with information he doesn't like.
Syfín People vote for Mulligan and that Clare Kerrane don't they?
Your simple minded nerdy geeky Daily Express view of a majorly complicated 76 years of the conflict from the inception of the "Statelet" to the GFA referendums shows you up as an eejit if the highest order.
I don't support or vote for SF but I know and have read enough to know that the whole thing was a very complicated situation and many nasty things were done by many incl our Authorities.
Sallin train robbery trials, sacrificing of a tout to save a bigger one off the top of my head as well as the Pringle chap.
Also the total lack of effort to investigate the Dublin and Monaghan mass murders.
There are 2 sides to every story but in the sad sorry story of the "Northern troubles" there are 4 or 5.
Quote from: Orchard park on November 24, 2017, 04:08:16 PM
if you don't know the history and origins and differences in make up of the INLA and PIRA in either the 26 or 6 counties there is no point in engaging in debate.
Given there was only 2 active military republican groupings in 1980, not umpteen, it shouldn't have been that hard to differentiate when trying to so authoratively debate.
any views on how Peter Pringle was wrongly convicted
There's nothing quite like someone who knows FA about what they're talking about (Syferus) but just buys into the narrative,meeting someone (Orchard Park) who knows a a lot about what they're talking about.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 04:14:30 PM
Syfín People vote for Mulligan and that Clare Kerrane don't they?
Your simple minded nerdy geeky Daily Express view of a majorly complicated 76 years of the conflict from the inception of the "Statelet" to the GFA referendums shows you up as an eejit if the highest order.
I don't support or vote for SF but I know and have read enough to know that the whole thing was a very complicated situation and many nasty things were done by many incl our Authorities.
Sallin train robbery trials, sacrificing of a tout to save a bigger one off the top of my head as well as the Pringle chap.
Also the total lack of effort to investigate the Dublin and Monaghan mass murders.
There are 2 sides to every story but in the sad sorry story of the "Northern troubles" there are 4 or 5.
Syferus voted for Michael Mulligan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael is a decent man and doesn't need to be tarnished with this though
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
How do you explain SF's rise in the polls over the last 10 years?
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 03:04:07 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on November 24, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
He's not alone in vomiting nonsense here.
He's bought into the narrative of SF/IRA/ Republicans/Nationalist bad -everyone else good. Also only those Bad crowd did anything wrong and only people killed or injured by them can be victims .
Then we have those who are the direct opposite - IRA heroes everyone else awful Free State blah blah.
The truth as usual lies in between.
Everyone else isn't good, but they damn well are better than an organisation that terrorised, murdered and robbed people. SF was/is just the political wing of the PIRA. This is not hyperbole but simply unavoidable fact. You don't find much love for the IRA around Shannon's Cross, Rossfan.
Gone please stop writing about something you've zero experience of, you've a serious want for attention that isn't healthy. Felt like eating my own face after reading this thread. Just be content you were born a safe distance from us cast a drift up north and leave it at that.
If that's your attempt to dismiss a perfectly valid viewpoint it was very, very weak.
You must refrain from voting for any political party in the country given how entwined with the gun they all are. Voting FG must be a vote for tying lads to a tree and blowing them up with a landmine, voting FF must be a vote for shooting a government minister on his way to mass, voting Labour must be a vote for murdering Gardai after a botched robbery etc. If you can't deal with your own hypocricies you should refrain from commenting on matters.
I think Eamon Dunphy had his finest moment a number of years back when he called out the Free State establishment on their double standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcvGYTFrNgE