Confirmed for August 26th, what do we think can Mc Gregor do what no boxer has ever done and beat Mayweather or is it going to be one big circus in Las Vegas!!
No
Beyond the ridiculous
Gonna be good.
Honestly can't believe this is going to happen. It's beyond crazy.
Everybody involved should be made to watch the 'The Great White hype' and call this nonsense off. Good show too
Completely nuts but the lure of the $$ is the language that these boys talk, feck Mc Gregor is gonna love the hype that'll come with this, crazy!!
Thought I'd throw this in here as well...
What's the early predictions on this then? Mayweather win obviously but early knock out, what?
Has McGregor any chance? Could Mayweather take his left if he hit him plum?
I still refuse to believe that this will actually take place. That said, if it does, Mayweather wind the fight whenever and however he wants to.
Would love to have seen it in the cage, would have been nowehre for Mayweather to run. The only things McGregor has going for him are his size and age. Mayweather may have slowed down but that shouldn't matter against someone who is from another sport.
Complete circus but its not supposed to be anything else, everyone you hear moaning about it saying its a joke will be making sure to watch it like the rest of us and at the end fo the day thats all Mayweather and McGregor care about.
MW to win it pretty handy in the bigest anti-climax in sports Entertainment
The fight to define an age imo.
Floyd Mayweather puts his flawless record on the line against the human buzzsaw that is Conor McGregor. FMJ will have never met anyone with the intensity of CMG. What he lacks in boxing experience he makes up for in raw power. CMG can't win on points, that's the truth of it, but equally FMJ will never knock CMG out.
How does Under Lights see the actual fight going?
CMG will be the clear fan favorite going into this. In the opening exchanges the crowd will respond to any gain CMG makes in the fight. Truth be told FMJ will never be in trouble and will allude CMG until about round 7. I have no doubt that CMG will catch him a few before at some stage there will be a bit of grappling and CMG will get him into the famous D'Arce Choke. The ref will call for the bell before the arena falls into darkness. When the lights come back on who is standing in the ring? The Undertaker. CMG jumpers to his feet and runs at him. Chokeslam. Tombstone Pile Driver. 1-2-3 the ref counts. Taker holds up both men's belts. Triple Threat Match set up for Wrestlemania 2018.
Quote from: Under Lights on June 15, 2017, 08:45:45 AM
The fight to define an age imo.
Floyd Mayweather puts his flawless record on the line against the human buzzsaw that is Conor McGregor. FMJ will have never met anyone with the intensity of CMG. What he lacks in boxing experience he makes up for in raw power. CMG can't win on points, that's the truth of it, but equally FMJ will never knock CMG out.
How does Under Lights see the actual fight going?
CMG will be the clear fan favorite going into this. In the opening exchanges the crowd will respond to any gain CMG makes in the fight. Truth be told FMJ will never be in trouble and will allude CMG until about round 7. I have no doubt that CMG will catch him a few before at some stage there will be a bit of grappling and CMG will get him into the famous D'Arce Choke. The ref will call for the bell before the arena falls into darkness. When the lights come back on who is standing in the ring? The Undertaker. CMG jumpers to his feet and runs at him. Chokeslam. Tombstone Pile Driver. 1-2-3 the ref counts. Taker holds up both men's belts. Triple Threat Match set up for Wrestlemania 2018.
;D ;D Jim Ross to commentate, "Baii Gawd hes damn near cut in half, that man has a family"
Mayweather will own this circus, carry the ginger for three rounds and put him out to pasture, he is laughing all the way to the bank as is McGregor.
What age is Mayweather? Has he been doing anything since he retired? That's the only way I can see McGregor laying a glove on him, if Mayweather has slowed up, or lost a lot of conditioning. If he's still in very good shape, he'll box the ears off McGregor.
Circus act, Floyd shouldn't have taken the fight, but money talks. he will school McGregor, personally don't think ill watch it and might delete every form of social media from day before till day after. The McGregor fans esp the ones from here are extremely cringy, you know the ones I'm talking about, haven't a clue about MMA until McGregor fights then they're experts. I find the same ones also come off with pearls of wisdom like 'I'm not a rugby fan but il watch the 6 nations' while running about in their Ireland Rugby gear. Maybe I need to lighten up, or maybe I'm the only person who knows these people lol
Quote from: themac_23 on June 15, 2017, 10:22:40 AM
Circus act, Floyd shouldn't have taken the fight, but money talks. he will school McGregor, personally don't think ill watch it and might delete every form of social media from day before till day after. The McGregor fans esp the ones from here are extremely cringy, you know the ones I'm talking about, haven't a clue about MMA until McGregor fights then they're experts. I find the same ones also come off with pearls of wisdom like 'I'm not a rugby fan but il watch the 6 nations' while running about in their Ireland Rugby gear. Maybe I need to lighten up, or maybe I'm the only person who knows these people lol
How dare people have an opinion on something that they haven't followed from their birth >:( >:( >:( >:(
I am in actually in Vegas that weekend for a stag.
Have no interest in MMA but how would one go about getting tickets? 8)
Not the first hybrid fight even Ali fought a Japanese wrestler once (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMN2hSVjVA)
Ben Dirs summed it up well for me on Twitter . . .
For those saying 'lighten up, it will be worth it for the build-up' - if that's all you're interested in, have Mayweather fight Will Ferrell
I'll certainly be watching it... through a dodgy stream of course.
Mayweather and the boxing associations puts his boxing reputation in the gutter with this farce all for the greed of money he already swimming in! Be a total non event@! Whos up next John Cena?? Its getting a bigger circus than the WWE
Any truth in the rumour that the undercard is an elephant on a tricycle?
I wonder what percentage of populations flock to whatever is the latest hyped up event? By default I tend to go in the opposite direction to these things.
Quote from: screenexile on June 15, 2017, 11:25:37 AM
Ben Dirs summed it up well for me on Twitter . . .
For those saying 'lighten up, it will be worth it for the build-up' - if that's all you're interested in, have Mayweather fight Will Ferrell
McGregor is much more entertaining than Will Ferrell.
Wouldn't be at all be surprised if there is a strong reaction to this. People will see it for what it is . Retired boxer boxes non boxer in a lazy effort to get you to give them a big pay day. Anybody who pays for this is probably still peeved at the money they sent to Nigeria.
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
What a complete joke this is ... McG wont lay a glove on him ffs ::)
But here, I'd do it myself for the Mula .....
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
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Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
But they'll have a strong boxing undercard to give it some respectability.
Floyd will have a few of his boxers, and at least one of them will be for a world title. And Mick Conlan and Paddy Barnes will be hoping to get places on the early undercard. Maybe KatieT too.
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
But they'll have a strong boxing undercard to give it some respectability.
Floyd will have a few of his boxers, and at least one of them will be for a world title. And Mick Conlan and Paddy Barnes will be hoping to get places on the early undercard. Maybe KatieT too.
Maybe get A Song For Europe and the ploughing championships in there too
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
But they'll have a strong boxing undercard to give it some respectability.
Floyd will have a few of his boxers, and at least one of them will be for a world title. And Mick Conlan and Paddy Barnes will be hoping to get places on the early undercard. Maybe KatieT too.
Maybe get A Song For Europe and the ploughing championships in there too
Nah it'll be a quality undercard. Gervonta Davis, one of the most exciting young boxers around. I'd say we'll see him defending his title.
Hard to know what kind of input McGregor will have, but it would be good to have some Irish talent in the early bouts
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
But they'll have a strong boxing undercard to give it some respectability.
Floyd will have a few of his boxers, and at least one of them will be for a world title. And Mick Conlan and Paddy Barnes will be hoping to get places on the early undercard. Maybe KatieT too.
Maybe get A Song For Europe and the ploughing championships in there too
Theres a two aside hurling/shinty game in the ring before hand. TG4 will be showing deferred highlights.
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 01:50:22 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 15, 2017, 01:33:54 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 15, 2017, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 15, 2017, 01:05:37 PM
Wait till the hype train gets going. They'll be falling over themselves to get tickets and pay the PPV rate. Some people will rightly moan about it being a non contest etc but far more will pay to see the freak show.
Look, at the end of the day it's still boxing and anything can happen.
All broadcasters bar the host is likely to lampoon the circus from beginning to end . The hype will be in that context
But they'll have a strong boxing undercard to give it some respectability.
Floyd will have a few of his boxers, and at least one of them will be for a world title. And Mick Conlan and Paddy Barnes will be hoping to get places on the early undercard. Maybe KatieT too.
Maybe get A Song For Europe and the ploughing championships in there too
Nah it'll be a quality undercard. Gervonta Davis, one of the most exciting young boxers around. I'd say we'll see him defending his title.
Hard to know what kind of input McGregor will have, but it would be good to have some Irish talent in the early bouts
Sounds like the main event is a marketing ploy for the undercard
Some lads love nothing more than complaining. I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: Syferus on June 15, 2017, 02:02:30 PM
Some lads love nothing more than complaining. I'm looking forward to it.
The actual fight?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2017, 12:19:36 PM
Mayweather and the boxing associations puts his boxing reputation in the gutter with this farce all for the greed of money he already swimming in! Be a total non event@! Whos up next John Cena?? Its getting a bigger circus than the WWE
pretty much sums up boxing, it's been a sh1t show for a long time run by charlatans. For every decent bout there's a multitude of dead rubbers. Every weight division has a fighter that has and is avoided at all costs in case it derails the money train.
On the fight itself, whilst there's a huge gulf in boxing class, the ref will have a huge bearing. Id bet on the ref being very keen on stopping any fighting on the inside, breaking the fighters continuously, which would scupper any chance of McGregor causing an upset. McGregor is very mobile, fit and strong, IF he landed, he could do damage. You just never know, be a bit of craic
As long as this sort of thing doesn't become a regular occurrence then there will be a massive interest for the novelty factor alone. Any attempt to have a re-match or to try and match up other cross code fighters will fall flat as the public just won't buy. For what its worth i am looking forward to it but fully expect Mayweather to win however he chooses to win after a few early skirmishes to suggest McGregor has a chance.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 15, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
As long as this sort of thing doesn't become a regular occurrence then there will be a massive interest for the novelty factor alone. Any attempt to have a re-match or to try and match up other cross code fighters will fall flat as the public just won't buy. For what its worth i am looking forward to it but fully expect Mayweather to win however he chooses to win after a few early skirmishes to suggest McGregor has a chance.
I'd agree. Unless McGregor lands a knockout shot, you'd have to expect this to go the distance. If you rule out the farce of the Ortiz knockout, Mayweather has only knocked one man (Hatton) out in the last 11 1/2 years.
Cannot stand Mayweather so I'd just love it if McGregor caught him with a haymaker and sparked him out. Very hard to see that happening though. The likeliest outcome is Mayweather glides around avoiding trouble for 12 rounds and picks up his gargantuan cheque and strolls off into the sunset. Doubt he'll be able to knock McGregor out though so he'll have a punchers chance but not much.
Bookies have Mayweather at 1/11 and McGregor at 7/1.
Edit: Thanks yankee bookies.
Paddy Power has it 1/6 and 4/1. Mayweather priced at 10/11 to end it by KO/TKO. Which seems weird as I'd imagine most can't envisage that happening.
McGregor's longest ever fight was 5 a round fight versus Diaz. If he spends 12 rounds aggressively chasing and attempting to hit Mayweather and also getting hit regularly he may be a lot more tired than he has ever been before in a fight. It wouldn't surprise me if he left himself open to a knockout in the later rounds.
Quote from: dec on June 15, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
McGregor's longest ever fight was 5 a round fight versus Diaz. If he spends 12 rounds aggressively chasing and attempting to hit Mayweather and also getting hit regularly he may be a lot more tired than he has ever been before in a fight. It wouldn't surprise me if he left himself open to a knockout in the later rounds.
5 rounds of 5 minutes though.
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Quote from: dec on June 15, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
McGregor's longest ever fight was 5 a round fight versus Diaz. If he spends 12 rounds aggressively chasing and attempting to hit Mayweather and also getting hit regularly he may be a lot more tired than he has ever been before in a fight. It wouldn't surprise me if he left himself open to a knockout in the later rounds.
5 rounds of 5 minutes though.
Date: Saturday, Aug. 26, 2017
Where: T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada
How to Watch: Showtime PPV, price not yet set, but all indications are that it will be in the $100 range similar to Mayweather-Pacquiao
Rules: Standard Boxing, 10-ounce gloves, 12-round fight
Weight Class: Super Welterweight (154 Pounds)
Tale of the Tape
Records: Mayweather 49-0 (26 KOs), McGregor 21-3 (18 KOs)
This "fight" is all about $$$$
Mayweather is old and will not knockout McGregor, considering he has only one KO.
McGregor will lose because he is not technical in the "art of boxing".
This whole bout is nothing but a spectacle.
I still will watch though.
Quote from: dec on June 15, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
McGregor's longest ever fight was 5 a round fight versus Diaz. If he spends 12 rounds aggressively chasing and attempting to hit Mayweather and also getting hit regularly he may be a lot more tired than he has ever been before in a fight. It wouldn't surprise me if he left himself open to a knockout in the later rounds.
Plenty of grappling in that fight too which is energy sapping. He should be fine from a cardio perspective but he'll be hitting an awful lot of thin air.
I for one can't wait!
McGregor will get destroyed.
Plenty of videos out there of him sparring in a boxing ring and average boxers are picking him off throughout - imagine what one of the best boxers in the world will do to him.
Looking forward to it all the same
Mayweather will go through the motions for 3 or 4 rounds, before ending it at his choosing. McGregor has never been in a fight with a fighter the quality of Mayweather, even if he is 40 now, not to forget that McGregor has never been in a boxing match of any note.
It's all about the money, but you have to hand it to McGregor, he landed the fight and the biggest pay day of his career by far.
I don't see this as much of a fight to be honest as McGregor will struggle to land a punch on Mayweather. I think Mayweather may well force McGregor into 12 rounds though and earn the big pay package a bit more.
Won't matter either way to McGregor anyway as he said a few years ago. Get in, get rich and get out!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
I am in actually in Vegas that weekend for a stag.
Have no interest in MMA but how would one go about getting tickets? 8)
Not the first hybrid fight even Ali fought a Japanese wrestler once (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMN2hSVjVA)
And who can forget this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1_uCeBCYtU
watch the video of McGregor on the late late show 4 years ago - he made it to the UFC on a $20K to fight $20K to win contract, added some bonuses along the way...three years later he was the FW Champion of the World and the highest paid man on the roster....since then he added the LW title and made the Forbes Top 25 richest athletes....from the dole to that in about 4 years? And he's looking at in the region of $100million for this fight, a fight he talked himself in to.
I can only tip my hat to him.... I'll pay for the PPV - he deserves it. He'll more than likely be destroyed. But he doesn't care and neither do I...
It's a win win situation for McGregor, no shame in losing and he walks away with an obscene amount of money. I know f/all about either MMA or boxing but 95% of the time McGregor does what he says he'll do so you never know what might happen.
f**k it - just booked flights down for the weekend
You are gonna have a hell of a time! Just checked southwest airlines - close to being sold out that weekend.
Quote from: The Iceman on June 16, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
watch the video of McGregor on the late late show 4 years ago - he made it to the UFC on a $20K to fight $20K to win contract, added some bonuses along the way...three years later he was the FW Champion of the World and the highest paid man on the roster....since then he added the LW title and made the Forbes Top 25 richest athletes....from the dole to that in about 4 years? And he's looking at in the region of $100million for this fight, a fight he talked himself in to.
I can only tip my hat to him.... I'll pay for the PPV - he deserves it. He'll more than likely be destroyed. But he doesn't care and neither do I...
+1... except for the PPV bit...
I don't think you'll find anyone who'll say anything other then McGregor has played an absolute blinder. He's managed to talk himself into enormously lucrative gig and in order to do so, just has to get beaten up for a bit. I'd happily fight Mayweather for the money being talked about.
Any rational person examining things sees one thing and one thing only - Floyd winning how and when he wants
Mayweather can only win one way tho and it doesn involve beating anyone up.
Last time he did that musta been Gatti RIP. As mentioned before even his knockouts were dubious, Ortiz was a farcial sucker punch and Ricky "the Hitme" Hatton was a corner post.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 16, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
You are gonna have a hell of a time! Just checked southwest airlines - close to being sold out that weekend.
Try JetBlue. I recently flew to LA for less than half the price Southwest was going to charge.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 16, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
f**k it - just booked flights down for the weekend
Where you flying from and how much? Do you plan on going to the fight?
Near $400 from Fresno which would near get me home! Thinking of maybe driving it...it's about a 6 hrs drive
Toronto - Thursday to Sunday.
Not going to the fight but there'll be some buzz about the place.
Roll up roll up a circus. There will be plenty of fools to pay for this Nd bank roll these 2 arrogant pricks. Best of luck Floyd knock him out
Quote from: omaghjoe on June 16, 2017, 06:13:01 PM
Mayweather can only win one way tho and it doesn involve beating anyone up.
Last time he did that musta been Gatti RIP. As mentioned before even his knockouts were dubious, Ortiz was a farcial sucker punch and Ricky "the Hitme" Hatton was a corner post.
What? You ain't think outclassing someone and landing shots at will on them without getting hit isn't beating someone up?! Daft.
Remember sport?
All this needs is a fat arsed Kardashian parading around telling us what round it is.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Roll up roll up a circus. There will be plenty of fools to pay for this Nd bank roll these 2 arrogant pricks. Best of luck Floyd knock him out
Like he knocks out his women????
f**k Floyd, I read a lot about him and his form today, there are few worse individuals than this piece of filth, suddenly I am a McGregor fan but still think the wife beater will win this at a time of his own choosing unless ht efix is in like it was with Ali and that Japanese wrestler back in the day, I think that farce ended in a draw.
Quote from: The Iceman on June 16, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
watch the video of McGregor on the late late show 4 years ago - he made it to the UFC on a $20K to fight $20K to win contract, added some bonuses along the way...three years later he was the FW Champion of the World and the highest paid man on the roster....since then he added the LW title and made the Forbes Top 25 richest athletes....from the dole to that in about 4 years? And he's looking at in the region of $100million for this fight, a fight he talked himself in to.
I can only tip my hat to him.... I'll pay for the PPV - he deserves it. He'll more than likely be destroyed. But he doesn't care and neither do I...
+1
It's a remarkable story. He not only talked his way into it, he managed to sell it to the Floyd Mayweather and the world. Saw a tweet from McGregor from 3 years ago (I think) which simply said "Get in. Get rich. Get out." That's exactly what's he done.
I have to admit I didn't think this fight would come to pass ... thought that both fighters were happy to just be talked about, remaining current (more so Mayweather) and keeping the sponsorship deals intact. There is still a bit of me thinks it won't happen, some last minute injury putting the spoilers on it. Just seems ridiculous a guy who hasn't boxed professionally fighting Floyd Mayweather. Not sure how this can be regarded as Mayweather's 50th fight. Seems a bit of a fraudulent way to eclipse Marciano's record.
The timing of this is genius by Mayweather promotions / Showtime TV it completely overshadows two massive boxing fights. Kovalev fights Andre Ward in a rematch of what was an extremely tight first fight this weekend ... nobody is talking about it. A few weeks after Mayweather vs McGregor is due to take place the biggest fight in boxing is taking place ... Golovkin vs Alvarez and once again no one is talking about it. De la Hoya and HBO are livid, that's the real reason De la Hoya has been so critical of this fight.
Saw a recent post saying that it would need a strong undercard ... nonsense. The main fight breaks PPV records by itself when that happens no one cares about the undercard. Can anyone remember who the undercard was for Pacquiao vs Mayweather ? As for Mayweather promotions looking to get Paddy Barnes on the undercard lol ... unless he is renewing his Olympics spat with Rory McIlroy and fighting him I can't see it happening. Maybe Mayweather promotions will look to get big Martin Rogan on the bill instead ...
Iceman - what's your take on the McGregor having to put on 10 oz gloves ... surely that's a world of difference from UFC mitts and will nullify his power ?
Do you think McGregor would be able to last the 12 rounds ?
The bookmakers odds seem to be tightening all the time. Some bookies have McGregor as short as 4/1 and as the hype train goes full steam as August 26th gets closer I think those odds will shorten. I don't know how anyone could touch McGregor at 40/1. People talk about anyone in a ring can have a puncher's chance but forget about Buster Douglas, if this fight does actually happens and McGregor gets his hand raised it would have to be the biggest upset of all time.
Mayweather will make sure it lasts 12 rounds. Complete farce. Any other analysis is a waste of time.
Floyd is 40 years old and not a heavy puncher in the least. Reflexes fade even in the great boxers. McGregor will have a huge size and power advantage. There's plenty there to chew on, O'Neill.
Youse know fcuk all about boxing.
The whole thing seems to revolve around the hype about the hype.
Few talking about what a great boxing match this will be (not surprising one guy is 40 and pops in and out of the game if there is a big pay and the other isn't a boxer)
The focus seems to be to hype this up because the hype is going to be great.
For sporting relevance this is nothing
When Audley Harrison hugged his way through his final bouts, didn't get hit but got to cash his big cheques I can't recall anyone saying he played a blinder or that the events had anything to do with sport
Quote from: LCohen on June 17, 2017, 06:55:17 AM
The whole thing seems to revolve around the hype about the hype.
Few talking about what a great boxing match this will be (not surprising one guy is 40 and pops in and out of the game if there is a big pay and the other isn't a boxer)
The focus seems to be to hype this up because the hype is going to be great.
For sporting relevance this is nothing
When Audley Harrison hugged his way through his final bouts, didn't get hit but got to cash his big cheques I can't recall anyone saying he played a blinder or that the events had anything to do with sport
This was Audley's final fight. https://youtu.be/K4HEsgUVli0
A 40 year old Mayweather will still beat most of the current world champs at his weight class never mind a novice boxer ffs. An amateur Irish champion would beat McGregor. It's a farce of a boxing match but the wind ups and press conferences will be hilarious. I can't say fair played to McGregor enough, such an amazing story.
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Floyd is 40 years old and not a heavy puncher in the least. Reflexes fade even in the great boxers. McGregor will have a huge size and power advantage. There's plenty there to chew on, O'Neill.
He is not a heavy puncher against other world class punchers. He will be a heavy puncher against an untrained novice. McGregor will never have been hit by the likes of the punches he'll ship in this fight.
Similarly McGregor's power will be negated by multiple factors. 10oz gloves. Floyd's defence. Floyd's chin. Oh and yeah, the fact that he won't be able to lay a glove on him.
Anything can happen of course, but there is no rational reason to believe anything other than Floyd ends this fight as and when he wants.
McGregor was huffing and puffing after the 2nd round against Diaz who beat the head of him with long range basic punching, so how will be be fit enough to last 36mins, training for boxing is a totally different type to UFC training.
The boxing association and promotion who has cleared this fight should be ashamed of themselves, its the deathnell for boxing all for 2 greedy pricks and their hanger ons
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 17, 2017, 09:52:19 AM
McGregor was huffing and puffing after the 2nd round against Diaz who beat the head of him with long range basic punching, so how will be be fit enough to last 36mins, training for boxing is a totally different type to UFC training.
Different sport, different cardio requirements. The grappling involved is exhausting. He went 5 rounds with him a few months later.
Anyone who is trying to convince themselves there is any way this will be a contest have no clue about the sport of boxing.
Quote from: Syferus on June 17, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Floyd is 40 years old and not a heavy puncher in the least. Reflexes fade even in the great boxers. McGregor will have a huge size and power advantage. There's plenty there to chew on, O'Neill.
Npthing has shown Mayweather has lost his elusiveness, he will not hurt McGregor unduly however he will school him and win the fight.
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Quote from: The Iceman on June 16, 2017, 03:02:13 PM
watch the video of McGregor on the late late show 4 years ago - he made it to the UFC on a $20K to fight $20K to win contract, added some bonuses along the way...three years later he was the FW Champion of the World and the highest paid man on the roster....since then he added the LW title and made the Forbes Top 25 richest athletes....from the dole to that in about 4 years? And he's looking at in the region of $100million for this fight, a fight he talked himself in to.
I can only tip my hat to him.... I'll pay for the PPV - he deserves it. He'll more than likely be destroyed. But he doesn't care and neither do I...
+1
It's a remarkable story. He not only talked his way into it, he managed to sell it to the Floyd Mayweather and the world. Saw a tweet from McGregor from 3 years ago (I think) which simply said "Get in. Get rich. Get out." That's exactly what's he done.
I have to admit I didn't think this fight would come to pass ... thought that both fighters were happy to just be talked about, remaining current (more so Mayweather) and keeping the sponsorship deals intact. There is still a bit of me thinks it won't happen, some last minute injury putting the spoilers on it. Just seems ridiculous a guy who hasn't boxed professionally fighting Floyd Mayweather. Not sure how this can be regarded as Mayweather's 50th fight. Seems a bit of a fraudulent way to eclipse Marciano's record.
The timing of this is genius by Mayweather promotions / Showtime TV it completely overshadows two massive boxing fights. Kovalev fights Andre Ward in a rematch of what was an extremely tight first fight this weekend ... nobody is talking about it. A few weeks after Mayweather vs McGregor is due to take place the biggest fight in boxing is taking place ... Golovkin vs Alvarez and once again no one is talking about it. De la Hoya and HBO are livid, that's the real reason De la Hoya has been so critical of this fight.
Saw a recent post saying that it would need a strong undercard ... nonsense. The main fight breaks PPV records by itself when that happens no one cares about the undercard. Can anyone remember who the undercard was for Pacquiao vs Mayweather ? As for Mayweather promotions looking to get Paddy Barnes on the undercard lol ... unless he is renewing his Olympics spat with Rory McIlroy and fighting him I can't see it happening. Maybe Mayweather promotions will look to get big Martin Rogan on the bill instead ...
Iceman - what's your take on the McGregor having to put on 10 oz gloves ... surely that's a world of difference from UFC mitts and will nullify his power ?
Do you think McGregor would be able to last the 12 rounds ?
The bookmakers odds seem to be tightening all the time. Some bookies have McGregor as short as 4/1 and as the hype train goes full steam as August 26th gets closer I think those odds will shorten. I don't know how anyone could touch McGregor at 40/1. People talk about anyone in a ring can have a puncher's chance but forget about Buster Douglas, if this fight does actually happens and McGregor gets his hand raised it would have to be the biggest upset of all time.
Yeah Lomachenko was on the undercard that night and he was outstanding. certainly made me sit up and take notice.
Fair play, he was yeah. I don't think a lot of people would have remembered any of that undercard. It wasn't exactly a pick'em fight. Lomachenko who was pretty much thrown in at the deep end on account of his amateur pedigree was in against tougher opponents in earlier fights - the likes of Gary Russel Jnr and Salido. I was out in Vegas at the time and I can only remember being interested in getting a look at Santa Cruz as there was a lot of chat that he was a future opponent for Frampton. I was just trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what the undercard is, I don't think it will really influence PPV buys. As for credibility, even a strong undercard won't win over the cynics - this will still be regarded by many people as a farce of a contest. If the fight itself is a patch on the build up to the fight it will be worth a watch. Don't hold out much hope for that but I will still watch it regardless.
I would fear for McGregor. In a lust for money the boxing commission has granted him a license to fight the best boxer of the generation. There is a chance of serious damage. Mayweather will be fighting at one of his heavier classes which means he can bring more power. If Mayweather lands one fully clean punch he could seriously hurt McGregor. Novices should never be put in a ring with seasoned professionals and especially not one of the best.
McGregor should have been forced to secure at least 2-3 victories against world top 20 fighters before being allowed this fight. for nothing more than safety reasons.
As for the fight prospects. I don't think it will be over in the first. Mayweather is the best boxer of his generation that means he applies all the skills. He is not a simple bludgeonor. He is used to fighting 12 x 3 minute rounds. McGregor fights 5 minute rounds but has only ever gone past 2 rounds on 2 fights out of 24. His sport is one of quick ferocious violence. Also as someone else pointed out McGregor will be carrying much heavier gloves than he is used to.
Mayweather will likely jab McGregor off for 2-3 rounds and move him all round the ring. Then when he is tired unleash on him. Round 3-4 will be the target round for Mayweather. But if McGregor does tire and drops his gloves Mayweather is the fastest boxer in the world to react to an opening and will paste him.
People will say things like - "At least McGregor lasted three rounds so it wasn't a total farce". But it will only be because Mayweather would rather hit a tired boxer than try to take out a guy at full energy levels.
While anyone can get seriously hurt in the boxing ring, I doubt the risk is high for McGregor. Mayweather has one stoppage in 10 years and supposedly brittle enough hands. I'd say he'll suffer a worse beating at some stage in the future in the UFC when he takes on a lad too big for him.
Will be very interesting to see how bad Mayweather makes McGregor look. And whether McGregor can land anything solid.
Mayweather 8/11 to win by stoppage. A lot of money to be made by those that are sure McGregor is going to get hurt.
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
While anyone can get seriously hurt in the boxing ring, I doubt the risk is high for McGregor. Mayweather has one stoppage in 10 years and supposedly brittle enough hands. I'd say he'll suffer a worse beating at some stage in the future in the UFC when he takes on a lad too big for him.
Will be very interesting to see how bad Mayweather makes McGregor look. And whether McGregor can land anything solid.
Mayweather 8/11 to win by stoppage. A lot of money to be made by those that are sure McGregor is going to get hurt.
Was thinking about this myself. Seems to be a lot of people on here absolutely certain that McGregor is going to be beaten. I wonder are they putting their money where their mouth is? If I was as certain of a result as some of you lads, I'd be off to the bookies with as much cash as I could gather up.
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
Thats doing a serious dis-service to CMG and indeed many MMA fighters
:-\
People are discussing this as though it is an actual boxing match.
The hype has already won.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're
absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
Franko the fact you even think he has a chance show how much u know about boxing,
As for McGregor been forced to secure at least 2-3 victories against world top 20 fighters, that never happen cause any top 20 fighter at this weight would beat him.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
Franko the fact you even think he has a chance show how much u know about boxing,
As for McGregor been forced to secure at least 2-3 victories against world top 20 fighters, that never happen cause any top 20 fighter at this weight would beat him.
I've yet to say anything about his chances... but FYI, I think he's almost certainly going to get beat. But you people are totallly certain. So I ask - why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You're guaranteed to make money. Remortgage the house, sell the car, sell the wife ffs... but if I was as sure as some of you are I'd be collecting my free cash.
If there was a rush to the bookies to back Mayweather he'd be a lot shorter than 1-6. So that tells me that all these people who are so certain are maybe not actually that certain at all. Or, like I said earlier, maybe it's a (lack of) minerals issue...
Mayweather should almost certainly win however I believe some people will be put off going against McG based purely on his unpredictable style and his capacity to actually back up what he says.
Bar the first Diaz fight he has done almost exactly what he claimed he would.
TMT may struggle against a southpaw but if he is caught he could be in trouble. Its a big 'if' as he rarely ever gets tagged but if he does how will he take it?
I will certainly watch it but if TMT is beat boxing is in big trouble
Quote from: Franko on June 20, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Quote from: Franko on June 21, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
Franko the fact you even think he has a chance show how much u know about boxing,
As for McGregor been forced to secure at least 2-3 victories against world top 20 fighters, that never happen cause any top 20 fighter at this weight would beat him.
I've yet to say anything about his chances... but FYI, I think he's almost certainly going to get beat. But you people are totallly certain. So I ask - why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You're guaranteed to make money. Remortgage the house, sell the car, sell the wife ffs... but if I was as sure as some of you are I'd be collecting my free cash.
If there was a rush to the bookies to back Mayweather he'd be a lot shorter than 1-6. So that tells me that all these people who are so certain are maybe not actually that certain at all. Or, like I said earlier, maybe it's a (lack of) minerals issue...
Maybe, just maybe, some people don't gamble.
Quote from: screenexile on June 21, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: Franko on June 20, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
Quote from: gallsman on June 21, 2017, 10:29:06 AM
Quote from: Franko on June 21, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 20, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
Franko the fact you even think he has a chance show how much u know about boxing,
As for McGregor been forced to secure at least 2-3 victories against world top 20 fighters, that never happen cause any top 20 fighter at this weight would beat him.
I've yet to say anything about his chances... but FYI, I think he's almost certainly going to get beat. But you people are totallly certain. So I ask - why don't you put your money where your mouth is? You're guaranteed to make money. Remortgage the house, sell the car, sell the wife ffs... but if I was as sure as some of you are I'd be collecting my free cash.
If there was a rush to the bookies to back Mayweather he'd be a lot shorter than 1-6. So that tells me that all these people who are so certain are maybe not actually that certain at all. Or, like I said earlier, maybe it's a (lack of) minerals issue...
Maybe, just maybe, some people don't gamble.
Where's the gamble in it?
Quote from: Franko on June 21, 2017, 10:41:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 21, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
Quote from: Franko on June 20, 2017, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
But if that's the case you're not spending the £100 cause you get it back, cant have it both ways. So you are making £17 for nothing if you are sure he's going to win.
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Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
Nobody mentioned winnings except you. You invest £100, you see a guaranteed return of £117. Why is this so difficult???
The second part of your post tells me all I need to know. You're not actually certain.
Quote from: Franko on June 21, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
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Quote from: Franko on June 21, 2017, 10:41:16 AM
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Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
Nobody mentioned winnings except you. You invest £100, you see a guaranteed return of £117. Why is this so difficult???
The second part of your post tells me all I need to know. You're not actually certain.
That's exactly what the second part of the post is saying. Its a combat sport where so many variables can take place. All anyone is saying that, if everything is equal - Mayweather wins however he wants. It doesnt mean you want to gamble your life savings on it.
My take on this, and I don't think for one second that McGregor will win but....
Mayweather is a known quantity, everyone knows what he will bring. That's not the case for McGregor. McG can plan his fight around what Mayweather does as he knows what he will do. Floyd doesn't know what McG is bringing so cant really plan a strategy. He will have to feel him out for the first couple of rounds and base a strategy on that. Is Mayweather good enough to do that? That's a genuine question
I was accused of not knowing about business or being a civil servant. well I have a degree in accountancy so yeah, I do know quite a bit about business. The return on investment is NET income divided by investment (£17/£100 = 1/5.88 odds).
Therefore Return is the NET income £17. NOT £117.
This has been pointed out by a few other posters but as the insult was directed at me personally I thought I would reply. Sorry Franko looks like you are the one who needs to get the business books out!!!
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 21, 2017, 12:12:14 PM
I was accused of not knowing about business or being a civil servant. well I have a degree in accountancy so yeah, I do know quite a bit about business. The return on investment is NET income divided by investment (£17/£100 = 1/5.88 odds).
Therefore Return is the NET income £17. NOT £117.
This has been pointed out by a few other posters but as the insult was directed at me personally I thought I would reply. Sorry Franko looks like you are the one who needs to get the business books out!!!
Very good. You've pointed out a glaring inaccuracy in my accounting terminology. The numbers are correct though and that is a more than healthy return over a 1 hour period so I assume someone with your clearly demonstrated business acumen ::) will be making the investment. Good luck - though, of course, you won't be needing it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 21, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
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Quote from: PAULD123 on June 20, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
Nobody mentioned winnings except you. You invest £100, you see a guaranteed return of £117. Why is this so difficult???
The second part of your post tells me all I need to know. You're not actually certain.
That's exactly what the second part of the post is saying. Its a combat sport where so many variables can take place. All anyone is saying that, if everything is equal - Mayweather wins however he wants. It doesnt mean you want to gamble your life savings on it.
And that's exactly what I'm saying... everyone is
certain that Mayweather wins until asked to put up or shut up. At that stage the ifs and buts start to come out. Realistically, it's probably Mayweather's fight to do what he wants with - but it's a two horse race and McGregor has a puncher's chance. Has everyone forgotten about Leicester winning the PL?
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Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
Nobody mentioned winnings except you. You invest £100, you see a guaranteed return of £117. Why is this so difficult???
The second part of your post tells me all I need to know. You're not actually certain.
That's exactly what the second part of the post is saying. Its a combat sport where so many variables can take place. All anyone is saying that, if everything is equal - Mayweather wins however he wants. It doesnt mean you want to gamble your life savings on it.
And that's exactly what I'm saying... everyone is certain that Mayweather wins until asked to put up or shut up. At that stage the ifs and buts start to come out. Realistically, it's probably Mayweather's fight to do what he wants with - but it's a two horse race and McGregor has a puncher's chance. Has everyone forgotten about Leicester winning the PL?
No, but let me know when Saracens do.
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Why would I put my money where my mouth is when the returns are minuscule? It's not like I am suggesting an underdog will win. So defo no, I am not going to be wasting money betting on Mayweather to get pennies in return.
Look this is a supreme exponent of his trade being pitched against a brawler that has never had a professional boxing fight in his life. In fact as far as I can make out he never even boxed at senior amateur level. He is a very good UFC fighter no doubt but that is simply not the same. It isn't even close to the same. The thing about UFC is that the playing field is leveled so that a Karate fighter can fight a kung-fu can fight a teakwando fighter because they are fighting a combined rules format. McGregor is being asked to leave most of his skills at the gate and fight only on Mayweather's terms and rules.
So the fight is in a format McGregor has absolutely NO adult competition experience off and against the best fighter in that art and only to his rules.
This would be like Dublin GAA winning the Pro 12 rugby league in their first year of competition. Sure, they are good at catching, kicking and running and they're all big lads. Why couldn't they beat Leinster at rugby???????. Or maybe if they win their third All-Ireland this year people will suggest a challenge match against Chelsea, mind you they have to only play soccer no combined rules.
;D ;D ;D
If you are guaranteed a return (as you say) you're not wasting a penny. On the contrary, you're buying money. You're absolutely guaranteed £117 odd quid for every hundred you spend. You don't even have to wait - you can see a return within an hour. Maybe you work in the civil service and have no clue about business but if this is as big a cert as you say, this is the sweetest deal since RHI. Or maybe you just don't have the minerals..... ;)
£17... you're guaranteed £17 for every £100 you spend!
Erm... no?? Spending £100 returns £117.
So you win £17. You aren't one of these lads who count their stake as their winnings are you? ;D It's terrible odds for a sport where one mistake, one controversial incident or one injury can upset the result. Just because someone believes something will happen, doesn't mean they have to gamble their house on it.
Nobody mentioned winnings except you. You invest £100, you see a guaranteed return of £117. Why is this so difficult???
The second part of your post tells me all I need to know. You're not actually certain.
That's exactly what the second part of the post is saying. Its a combat sport where so many variables can take place. All anyone is saying that, if everything is equal - Mayweather wins however he wants. It doesnt mean you want to gamble your life savings on it.
And that's exactly what I'm saying... everyone is certain that Mayweather wins until asked to put up or shut up. At that stage the ifs and buts start to come out. Realistically, it's probably Mayweather's fight to do what he wants with - but it's a two horse race and McGregor has a puncher's chance. Has everyone forgotten about Leicester winning the PL?
No, but let me know when Saracens do.
Let me know when Saracens manage to talk their way into it first.
So back to the actual fight.
Any footage emerge recently of CMcG sparring?
The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance. All things being equal, Mayweather will box the ears off McGregor. McGregor has regularly sparred against Irish amateur boxers and from what I hear they are more than well able to hold their own with him. So logically, to think that he is going to beat the best poind for pound boxer in the world in his first competitive fight would be a bit fanciful. Of course he has a punchers chance just like any boxer but all of the entertainment in this contest will take place outside the ring. I wouldn't even be surprised if the fight does not materialise.
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance. All things being equal, Mayweather will box the ears off McGregor. McGregor has regularly sparred against Irish amateur boxers and from what I hear they are more than well able to hold their own with him. So logically, to think that he is going to beat the best poind for pound boxer in the world in his first competitive fight would be a bit fanciful. Of course he has a punchers chance just like any boxer but all of the entertainment in this contest will take place outside the ring. I wouldn't even be surprised if the fight does not materialise.
Incorrect.
The odds are set by opinions of oddsmakers - the odds then fluctuate based on market forces
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance. All things being equal, Mayweather will box the ears off McGregor. McGregor has regularly sparred against Irish amateur boxers and from what I hear they are more than well able to hold their own with him. So logically, to think that he is going to beat the best poind for pound boxer in the world in his first competitive fight would be a bit fanciful. Of course he has a punchers chance just like any boxer but all of the entertainment in this contest will take place outside the ring. I wouldn't even be surprised if the fight does not materialise.
Incorrect.
The odds are set by opinions of oddsmakers - the odds then fluctuate based on market forces
Of course, and given that the fight has been announced for a couple of weeks it is fairly certain that market forces have kicked in already after the initial pricing, hence the odds are reflective of their chances as of now.
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance. All things being equal, Mayweather will box the ears off McGregor. McGregor has regularly sparred against Irish amateur boxers and from what I hear they are more than well able to hold their own with him. So logically, to think that he is going to beat the best poind for pound boxer in the world in his first competitive fight would be a bit fanciful. Of course he has a punchers chance just like any boxer but all of the entertainment in this contest will take place outside the ring. I wouldn't even be surprised if the fight does not materialise.
Incorrect.
The odds are set by opinions of oddsmakers - the odds then fluctuate based on market forces
Of course, and given that the fight has been announced for a couple of weeks it is fairly certain that market forces have kicked in already after the initial pricing, hence the odds are reflective of their chances as of now.
Correct but the odds are set by opinions........after that its all about balancing the books
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/king-conor-mcgregor-bigot-free-pass-article-1.3260252 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/king-conor-mcgregor-bigot-free-pass-article-1.3260252)
So the hit pieces have arrived. Deadly.
I'm always amused by Americans seeing everything in life through a black-white prism. Saying the Irish have been oppressed is one of the few things McGregor has said that is entirely true and not just meant to promote a fight. Writing a hit piece on McGregor when his opponent is a two-faced woman beater says enough for me.
Ali said some seriously messed up shît in his day and he's rightly regarded as one of the greatest humans of all-time.
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So the hit pieces have arrived. Deadly.
I'm always amused by Americans seeing everything in life through a black-white prism. Saying the Irish have been oppressed is one of the few things McGregor has said that is entirely true and not just meant to promote a fight. Writing a hit piece on McGregor when his opponent is a two-faced woman beater says enough for me.
Ali said some seriously messed up shît in his day and he's rightly regarded as one of the greatest humans of all-time.
Please just please don't compare McGregor to Ali!!
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So the hit pieces have arrived. Deadly.
I'm always amused by Americans seeing everything in life through a black-white prism. Saying the Irish have been oppressed is one of the few things McGregor has said that is entirely true and not just meant to promote a fight. Writing a hit piece on McGregor when his opponent is a two-faced woman beater says enough for me.
Ali said some seriously messed up shît in his day and he's rightly regarded as one of the greatest humans of all-time.
Please just please don't compare McGregor to Ali!!
When it comes to self-promoters in combat sports there is no better comparison for McGregor.
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance.
How do you work that one out? A load of money suddenly gets whacked on McGregor and his odds shorten accordingly. No connection to his chance of winning.
I agree that Ali is a great comparison. Ali hyped himself out of all fair judgement. He was a very good fighter but its even debateable if he was the outright greatest of his generation. His Ken Norton fights were controversial, he wouldn't Foreman a rematch and he lost to Frazier. He certainly wasn't the greatest of all time.
But he was in the top ten or so in history and without doubt the greatest self promoter.
McGregor is something similar. Both in prowess and self-promotion
Outside of Sugar Ray Robinson who would beat the head of mayweather, Ali was the best fighter through the generations, yes he would have beat Tyson, Lewis, Louis and any other you want to mention,
He had problems with Norton due to his defensive crab like stance but dont let that fool u to the real fighter he was, who would and did fight anybody, dont even use Mcgregor in the same sentence to Ali, Similar prowess, get the f**k outta here/
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance.
How do you work that one out? A load of money suddenly gets whacked on McGregor and his odds shorten accordingly. No connection to his chance of winning.
Fairly simple. For a highly liquid market like this one it would take a lot of money to move the price drastically considering the number of betting companies/exchanges offering prices. Using your example, if a load of money gets whacked on McGregor causing the price to contract, it's for good reason and not just because a few mugs throw a few novelty tenners on him. It would likely take 10s of thousands of pounds to move the market dramatically on a global event such as this with only 2 possible outcomes. If McGregor is knocking out sparring partners or Mayweather injured himself the price could move but then that's only reflecting the odds due to a change in circumstances. The market is settled enough now that it will only change due to circumstances changing in the build up to the fight.
If Lone Shark was still about he could tell you how a 'book' is formed.
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So the hit pieces have arrived. Deadly.
I'm always amused by Americans seeing everything in life through a black-white prism. Saying the Irish have been oppressed is one of the few things McGregor has said that is entirely true and not just meant to promote a fight. Writing a hit piece on McGregor when his opponent is a two-faced woman beater says enough for me.
Ali said some seriously messed up shît in his day and he's rightly regarded as one of the greatest humans of all-time.
greatest human of all time??? ;D ;D
clay (ali) was a c*nt and a con man. any man with 5 wives and god knows how many b**tard children does not deserve respect in my eyes.
good fighter, yes but best ever, nonsense!
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Outside of Sugar Ray Robinson who would beat the head of mayweather, Ali was the best fighter through the generations, ...
What about Marciano, Liston and Tunney in his own division alone? Across the divisions it's not postable to compare. Packman is way more skillfully but then probably so was Nasser HamEd neither had heavyweight power. It's not fair to compare if not all aspects can be compared.
But how do you answer the fact that he refused to give Foreman a rematch?
Lots of people allow the hype to move Ali up a little bit beyond his genuine level. He has far from a imperious record. Most of his victories wereally by decision, he had great difficulty putting guys away. Even weak fighters like Bugner took him the distance twice.
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Outside of Sugar Ray Robinson who would beat the head of mayweather, Ali was the best fighter through the generations, ...
What about Marciano, Liston and Tunney in his own division alone? Across the divisions it's not postable to compare. Packman is way more skillfully but then probably so was Nasser HamEd neither had heavyweight power. It's not fair to compare if not all aspects can be compared.
But how do you answer the fact that he refused to give Foreman a rematch?
Lots of people allow the hype to move Ali up a little bit beyond his genuine level. He has far from a imperious record. Most of his victories wereally by decision, he had great difficulty putting guys away. Even weak fighters like Bugner took him the distance twice.
Tunney maybe. Liston no, was a bully till someone stood up to him. Marciano official record undefeated, but rumours of unofficial defeats if I recall. He'd have given away massive reach and speed advantage to Ali, it would not even be close.
That said I see where you are coming from. In my view he is somewhat overrated and I think the reason is that many feel the best heavyweight is the one we never saw i.e Ali during the years he lost. Whether that is the case or not is pure conjecture but based on what we did see, he wasn't theme greatest across weight classes as a boxer for me. Which is not to say he didn't have the greatest impact on boxing, which he possibly did.
Tunney seriously? Jack Johnson would have murder tunney, and Bugner was better than Cooper, Marciano beat by a slugger in a fight over in england, kindly erased from the records
who do u rate as the greatest across the weight classes, this should be good?
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Outside of Sugar Ray Robinson who would beat the head of mayweather, Ali was the best fighter through the generations, ...
What about Marciano, Liston and Tunney in his own division alone? Across the divisions it's not postable to compare. Packman is way more skillfully but then probably so was Nasser HamEd neither had heavyweight power. It's not fair to compare if not all aspects can be compared.
But how do you answer the fact that he refused to give Foreman a rematch?
Lots of people allow the hype to move Ali up a little bit beyond his genuine level. He has far from a imperious record. Most of his victories wereally by decision, he had great difficulty putting guys away. Even weak fighters like Bugner took him the distance twice.
Tunney maybe. Liston no, was a bully till someone stood up to him. Marciano official record undefeated, but rumours of unofficial defeats if I recall. He'd have given away massive reach and speed advantage to Ali, it would not even be close.
That said I see where you are coming from. In my view he is somewhat overrated and I think the reason is that many feel the best heavyweight is the one we never saw i.e Ali during the years he lost. Whether that is the case or not is pure conjecture but based on what we did see, he wasn't theme greatest across weight classes as a boxer for me. Which is not to say he didn't have the greatest impact on boxing, which he possibly did.
A lot of all-time lists of heavyweights have Joe Louis at #1 and Ali at #2.
Louis had a hammer in his fists but was slow compared to later heavy weights, Jack Johnson would have beaten Louis, Tyson too
where would you rate Mayweather against Robinson, Duran, benny leonard cause i think all would have beat mayweather
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where would you rate Mayweather against Robinson, Duran, benny leonard cause i think all would have beat mayweather
Prime Paq would have beat Mayweather.
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where would you rate Mayweather against Robinson, Duran, benny leonard cause i think all would have beat mayweather
Prime Paq would have beat Mayweather.
Bollocks he wud, unless your talking Pre Castillo Mayweather, he struggled badly (by my rating was beat 4 times) agin a counter punching Marquez right in his prime. Wudda been better than the damp squib we got when they did fight but result the same.
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The odds are set by market forces so will fairly accurately reflect each boxers chance.
How do you work that one out? A load of money suddenly gets whacked on McGregor and his odds shorten accordingly. No connection to his chance of winning.
Fairly simple. For a highly liquid market like this one it would take a lot of money to move the price drastically considering the number of betting companies/exchanges offering prices. Using your example, if a load of money gets whacked on McGregor causing the price to contract, it's for good reason and not just because a few mugs throw a few novelty tenners on him. It would likely take 10s of thousands of pounds to move the market dramatically on a global event such as this with only 2 possible outcomes. If McGregor is knocking out sparring partners or Mayweather injured himself the price could move but then that's only reflecting the odds due to a change in circumstances. The market is settled enough now that it will only change due to circumstances changing in the build up to the fight.
I dont know if you are being obtuse or what here.
The initial odds are set based on opinion - they cant be initially set based on money as the market hasnt formed hence no money can be bet.
Once the market is formed and the odds set then the prices will change based on how much a bookmaker/exchange has taken or laid on a particular boxer.
£2.5m has been matched on Betfair Exchange so the 10's of thousands wouldnt go far to change this market.
As an FYI you can bet on the actual fight to go ahead.......and those odds are almost identical to betting on Mayweather winning (mind you there is only £120 available to bet)
Leaving the Ali debate aside.
The odds are not that attractive, there is no accounting for Mayweather slipping and twisting an ankle, or pulling a muscle. That could happen walking down the street and would have absolutely zero to do with McGregor's ability.
I think there is virtually no chance of McGregor beating Mayweather if both enter the ring fit and prepared. Even that thing about a punchers chance isn't really all that valid. Sure, there is a slim chance of a lucky shot and it has happened before. But really how often? When has a pro entered a ring fully prepared and got taken out by one lucky punch? Probably no more than a half dozen times in history and then always against another experienced professional.
Also the skills of Mayweather are partly developed to exactly stop the chance of that lucky punch ever happening. And again that is a skill developed to stop seasoned professionals from producing that lucky punch.
Now we have what is basically a decent amateur boxer going up against the best in the world. So even the prospect that - "he might get a lucky punch" is reduced to almost infinitesimal given his experience and Mayweather's skill. McGregor would have to land it, and have to land it with maximum power but most importantly Mayweather would have to be open. Finally it would have to be so massive that Mayweather couldn't get up. Most champions get hit by lucky punches at some stage but most get up.
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 21, 2017, 11:18:03 PM
Tunney seriously? Jack Johnson would have murder tunney, and Bugner was better than Cooper, Marciano beat by a slugger in a fight over in england, kindly erased from the records
Not sure of this is aimed at me or not but Marciano I agree with. Didn't see mention of Cooper anywhere?
In terms of best ever P4P it's always very hard to say, particularly as I've not seen much of SRR, Benny Leonard, Willie Pep etc. Some great names that spring to mind from 70's onwards
Duran
RJJ (if you can forgive Ali for carrying on too long, you have to do the same here)
Mayweather
Hagler
Pernell Whittaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Aaron Pryor
I had Marquez beating Pacman so that is why Pacman ain't there.
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
There's plenty of bregrugers but you only need look at one of his fights to see how strong the Irish support for him is.
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Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
you can chat to anyone that knows him he's a great fella who takes care of everyone around him. The persona is to sell fights - love him or hate him you're paying for the PPV. The FW division was very quiet before he came along. The UFC in fact was fairly quiet. He made it all relevant again - how many lads on here even watched MMA before him?
Listen to an early interview when they surprise him by having Steve Collins call in to the show to wish him luck - thats who he is
Quote from: 6th sam on June 22, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
I'd agree with that. I would give McGregor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the persona he has created. If this was his actual self I wouldn't have much time for him, however I do believe it's all an act that he is happy to live up to. I think we will see him fight no more than 2 or 3 more times before he retire's early. I enjoy the charade that goes with the build up to his fight's precisely because I don't believe that any of it is actually genuine. If I did I would have to move over to the bulging anti-McGregor camp.
I say good luck to him, he has carved out a career based on dedication and no small amount of ability but has made his fortune largely on the back of his out of octagon persona. He is a good sportsman not a great sportsman. He is though a great showman.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 22, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
I'd agree with that. I would give McGregor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the persona he has created. If this was his actual self I wouldn't have much time for him, however I do believe it's all an act that he is happy to live up to. I think we will see him fight no more than 2 or 3 more times before he retire's early. I enjoy the charade that goes with the build up to his fight's precisely because I don't believe that any of it is actually genuine. If I did I would have to move over to the bulging anti-McGregor camp.
I say good luck to him, he has carved out a career based on dedication and no small amount of ability but has made his fortune largely on the back of his out of octagon persona. He is a good sportsman not a great sportsman. He is though a great showman.
He's one of the best fighters of all-time in his sport, and his sport is global. By Irish standards (who celebrate the likes of Sonia O'Sulivan and mediocre soccer teams) he is way above being a great sportsperson.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 22, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
I'd agree with that. I would give McGregor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the persona he has created. If this was his actual self I wouldn't have much time for him, however I do believe it's all an act that he is happy to live up to. I think we will see him fight no more than 2 or 3 more times before he retire's early. I enjoy the charade that goes with the build up to his fight's precisely because I don't believe that any of it is actually genuine. If I did I would have to move over to the bulging anti-McGregor camp.
I say good luck to him, he has carved out a career based on dedication and no small amount of ability but has made his fortune largely on the back of his out of octagon persona. He is a good sportsman not a great sportsman. He is though a great showman.
He's one of the best fighters of all-time in his sport, and his sport is global. By Irish standards (who celebrate the likes of Sonia O'Sulivan and mediocre soccer teams) he is way above being a great sportsperson.
Well said, we like celebrating losers but we hate winners. As for best boxer I have saw, definitely RJJ.
Quote from: Syferus on June 22, 2017, 05:25:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 22, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on June 22, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on June 22, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Obviously Mayweather is one of the greats of all time and is a defensive master. He should win easy. I'd probably be saying that no matter who he decided to face for his 50th fight.
People need to remember though that McGregor is a professional fighter too. He also throws punches for a living and has been quite good at it. This talk of him getting hurt or that he is a complete amatuer is false for me.
Also, I have been surprised by the amount of Irish people who are hoping McGregor to fail. Now i'm not for one minute saying that we should support everyone from ireland blindly but there is certainly real hatred of this man. Or maybe it's just that they feel is he ruining the sport.
The problem for mcgregor is that he totally goes against the grain in terms of how we expect our sportsmen to behave. We punch above our weight in several sports and the typical likeable Irish sportsperson e.g. ruby walsh, katie Taylor, carl frampton, Robbie Keane will harness universal respect and support. Those that are more vocal such as Rory McIlroy, Roy Keane , James McClean tend to divide opinion however, with most of us appreciating their strong-mindedness , is part of what makes them successful. McGregor is different. He is "off the scale" as an athlete, and as a competitor in the toughest sport of all, his behaviour and ethos though probably part of a promotional act, is what really grinds . We are not used to it. McIlroy , for example, has reached no.1 in arguably the most popular individual sport in the world. Self-confidence is part of the reason why he got there, but as a person , he has done much more besides eg Rory Foundation, promotion of Irish open etc. , and though not afraid to share his opinions , behaves with dignity. Conor on the other hand, is undoubtedly vulgar , foul mouthed , in your face , brash and boastful, with questionable values around his wealth etc. We are not used to this, and many can't see past that. Though Many cringe at his foul mouth and flashiness, some of his one-liners are classics, and there is no doubt that his behaviour has contributed to his success both promotionally and in terms of getting in the heads of his opponents. Mayweather , also, will have his work cut out winning the psychological battle with mcgregor inside and outside the ring. For the first time in his career he won't know what to expect and will undoubtedly be unnerved when he faces up to this "freak of nature" ( and I mean that in a positive sense).
I hope mcgregor wins , retires, and admits that his brashness and vulgarity was all an act and invests much of considerable wealth to the benefit of others. Only then will he gain the respect and admiration his athleticism deserves
I'd agree with that. I would give McGregor the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the persona he has created. If this was his actual self I wouldn't have much time for him, however I do believe it's all an act that he is happy to live up to. I think we will see him fight no more than 2 or 3 more times before he retire's early. I enjoy the charade that goes with the build up to his fight's precisely because I don't believe that any of it is actually genuine. If I did I would have to move over to the bulging anti-McGregor camp.
I say good luck to him, he has carved out a career based on dedication and no small amount of ability but has made his fortune largely on the back of his out of octagon persona. He is a good sportsman not a great sportsman. He is though a great showman.
He's one of the best fighters of all-time in his sport, and his sport is global. By Irish standards (who celebrate the likes of Sonia O'Sulivan and mediocre soccer teams) he is way above being a great sportsperson.
Nobody can seriously question Conor's credentials .?Regarding Sonia, we have won 3 Olympic athletics medals in over 80 years, Sonia won one of them and won several other medals & records including World championship Gold , and dominated her sport for a period of time. At her peak , illness probably deprived her of Olympic Gold. Regarding mediocre soccer teams presumably your referring to our reaching the wuarter finals of the World Cup at a time when international soccer was much more competitive and prestigious. I'm no great soccer fan but it is easily the most widely played sport in the world. It isn't even our top sport ( compared to football, hurling ) , yet as a small nation we reached the last 8. Coming from Roscommon I appreciate your sporting standards are high but do you seriously expect a country of our size to be Dominating world sport to the extent that we shouldnt celebrate Sonia's measly achievements 😜
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
A straight left bax to the ja, done.
I know you are only joking but this is the exact thing I am talking about. Technically that is not credible. Pacquiao was famed for his straight left and Mayweather avoided it pretty easily.
Some other technical matters:
Style - Mayweather is a superbly skilled at defensive boxing. If your main skill is strong attack then Mayweather is the worst possible person to fight. Mayweather isn't all that exciting to watch, he is more like an amatuer boxer in his approach. Avoiding blows and picking off lots of point scoring jabs. Basically the only person likely to beat Mayweather is silky moving point scorer that doesn't get drawn in. Hatton tried to out-power him and Pacquiao tries to out blast him with ferocity of throws. Pac threw 429 punches but landed only 81 (19%). Against Marquez Pac landed 37%. McGregor's punch is not going to be much good if he can't land it.
Endurance - Since winning his first title he has gone the distance in 60% of fights which is quite a lot. Klitschko (20%), Steve Collins (33%), Pacquiao (52%), Morales (45%), Barrera (48%), Del la Hoya (37%), Cotto (24%).
Left attack - Mayweather fights almost side on and orthodox, with chin tucked under shoulder. To get to him, McGregor would have to come a hell of along way with a left. McGregor is a Southpaw, so to throw a straight left he needs to open up his whole right hand side. Mayweather is superb at right hand jab-straight combinations.
Stance - MMA generally stand square on an present a large surface area to hit because they are pretty much obsessed with head shots because body shots require close distance and close distance in MMA means grappling. No grappling in boxing so body shots are very attractive.
Hands - Mayweather like any great champion is two-handed. McGregor basically employs his left exclusively. His right rarely lands with any power as he mostly uses it as a distraction for the left.
Ropes - Boxing has ropes. If you force an opponent against them he can use the spring to his advantage, and Mayweather is an expert at that. In MMA it is a solid cage. Forcing am opponent against it hems the opponent in and gives him no room to maneuver, no shoulder roll, no spring. MMA fighters use the cage to pin opponents, McGregor can't do that in the boxing ring.
So, ok "A straight left bax to the ja, done." was a joke, but it is worth saying once again that no technical reason has been given to justify McGregor has a chance. All evidence would indicate that technically Mayweather would lap up a south-paw fighter who thought a quick straight left would have any hope against him.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
No, she was bloody great. She was world class for almost 10 years. World champion in an extremely competitive and global sport.
She also got done out of medals by some very doped up chinese.
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2017, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
No, she was bloody great. She was world class for almost 10 years. World champion in an extremely competitive and global sport.
How many outside Ireland even know who Sonia O'Sullivan is, let alone what sport she competed in? It's not even a comparison worth entertaining.
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2017, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
No, she was bloody great. She was world class for almost 10 years. World champion in an extremely competitive and global sport.
How many outside Ireland even know who Sonia O'Sullivan is, let alone what sport she competed in? It's not even a comparison worth entertaining.
I wasn't comparing. I never disagreed with you over your comments on McGregor. He is clearly great at what he does. Sonia is one of the all time greats in her sport. Her peak was 20 years ago. Back then she was extremely well known, certainly by standards at the time (pre Internet, for most). I guarantee you that every young athlete back then knew who she was whether they were in Europe, USA or East Africa.
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2017, 06:44:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 06:27:20 PM
Quote from: shark on June 23, 2017, 05:16:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 23, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
No, she was bloody great. She was world class for almost 10 years. World champion in an extremely competitive and global sport.
How many outside Ireland even know who Sonia O'Sullivan is, let alone what sport she competed in? It's not even a comparison worth entertaining.
I wasn't comparing. I never disagreed with you over your comments on McGregor. He is clearly great at what he does. Sonia is one of the all time greats in her sport. Her peak was 20 years ago. Back then she was extremely well known, certainly by standards at the time (pre Internet, for most). I guarantee you that every young athlete back then knew who she was whether they were in Europe, USA or East Africa.
I'm sure tennis players know the top 20 off by heart too, but that doesn't mean they have much cross-over with the public, does it?
Middle-distance running is a very niche sport and one that people only really pay attention to for a couple days every four years - and then usually only if your country has a contender running - MMA is one of the fastest growing sports in the world that is a massive part of the weekly and daily sports news churn.
What Sonia did was good but even in her own sport she tended to be one of the also-rans. McGregor is the first man to ever hold two UFC titles at once and is the biggest draw in the history of the sport. We should celebrate McGregor while we have him, but mostly we seem to have begrudgers. We seem more comfortable with glorious losers like the soccer team and Sonia.
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Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
Sonia was good at her sport. McGregor is, however, great at his. The inverse of what I was originally responding to.
No, she was bloody great. She was world class for almost 10 years. World champion in an extremely competitive and global sport.
How many outside Ireland even know who Sonia O'Sullivan is, let alone what sport she competed in? It's not even a comparison worth entertaining.
I wasn't comparing. I never disagreed with you over your comments on McGregor. He is clearly great at what he does. Sonia is one of the all time greats in her sport. Her peak was 20 years ago. Back then she was extremely well known, certainly by standards at the time (pre Internet, for most). I guarantee you that every young athlete back then knew who she was whether they were in Europe, USA or East Africa.
I'm sure tennis players know the top 20 off by heart too, but that doesn't mean they have much cross-over with the public, does it?
Middle-distance running is a very niche sport and one that people only really pay attention to for a couple days every four years - and then usually only if your country has a contender running - MMA is one of the fastest growing sports in the world that is a massive part of the weekly and daily sports news churn.
What Sonia did was good but even in her own sport she tended to be one of the also-rans. McGregor is the first man to ever hold two UFC titles at once and is the biggest draw in the history of the sport. We should celebrate McGregor while we have him, but mostly we seem to have begrudgers. We seem more comfortable with glorious losers like the soccer team and Sonia.
Don't disagree with you regarding celebrating McGregor, but you're talking nonsense regarding Sonia. How could Sonia have been an "also ran"? She was a 3 time world champion, a 3 time European champion and an Olympic Silver medalist. And that's when you don't factor in the number of proven cheats that beat her to titles.
MMA is indeed growing rapidly and will do doubt continue to, but to say middle distance running is a niche sport is nothing short of ignorant.
To make an argument for one athlete, you don't need to run down the achievements of another. Especially when you haven't a notion what you are talking about in respect of the other athlete. And you may not remember, but Sonia had plenty of begrudgers back in the day. It's a national pastime after all.
Firstly, Sonia proved herself over a decade of performance and at several distances. She didn't just win a couple of races.
Secondly, just because MMA is a well known popular sport doesn't mean that someone who does a less popular sport isn't a sportiing great. That's just ignorant. So does teh popularity of the sport determine how much value the athlete has? Crap talk. Buster Douglas won a Heavyweight world title does that make him a far more worthy sportsman than 5 time gold medailst Chris Hoy becuase less people watch track cycling?????
Thirdly, McGregor is not a great. Christ, he has only had three title fights. He has lost 3 out of 24 fights. He's unusual yes in that he transferred divisions but that is hardly a jaw dropping feat. Very common in combat sports. In fact every combat sport has some multi-weight champions. It's not like he is Pacquaio who won across seven weights. Come to think of it Mayweather has won across five.
Whhat is great about a huge self promotion drive and three title wins. Good - yes, Very good - probably, Best around now - Well lets see a lot more fights first. Great - Laughable, three championship wins and only one defense. Stop kidding people. Many, many more wins needed to earn that accolade.
Is Kavanagh going to McGregors main coach for this one?
Can't help but think this is already sorted in advance. A heroic show by McGregor prompting a rematch and another 100m each.
Diaz was about only the 5/6th rated fighter in his division, why doesn't McGregor figth the 1-2 seed at that weight to see if he can cut it, some ufc fight fans say some of those lads would destroy him
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:46:18 PM
Firstly, Sonia proved herself over a decade of performance and at several distances. She didn't just win a couple of races.
Secondly, just because MMA is a well known popular sport doesn't mean that someone who does a less popular sport isn't a sportiing great. That's just ignorant. So does teh popularity of the sport determine how much value the athlete has? Crap talk. Buster Douglas won a Heavyweight world title does that make him a far more worthy sportsman than 5 time gold medailst Chris Hoy becuase less people watch track cycling?????
Thirdly, McGregor is not a great. Christ, he has only had three title fights. He has lost 3 out of 24 fights. He's unusual yes in that he transferred divisions but that is hardly a jaw dropping feat. Very common in combat sports. In fact every combat sport has some multi-weight champions. It's not like he is Pacquaio who won across seven weights. Come to think of it Mayweather has won across five.
Whhat is great about a huge self promotion drive and three title wins. Good - yes, Very good - probably, Best around now - Well lets see a lot more fights first. Great - Laughable, three championship wins and only one defense. Stop kidding people. Many, many more wins needed to earn that accolade.
I'm not going to run down Conor, I'll leave the objective analysis to those who know more about boxing/mma. However running down Sonia's achievements is ridiculous. MMA is a tough sport but the razzamatazz , recent surge of interest, and questionable regulation mean that MMA is a long way off boxing , athletics etc in terms of prestige. Trying to place MMA in an elevated position because of recent promotional success , doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
In my opinion a sport's prestige is directly correlated to its worldwide participation. For example , millions play soccer and reaching the top in soccer(Roy Keane) has serious credibility. MMA by comparison has minimal participation throughout the world and its regulatory procedures are questionable, so it doesn't have the same prestige as boxing , for example. Most of the best sportspeople in Ireland are in GAA ,golf, horse racing , soccer, rugby, boxing , athletics ,. To reach the top in Ireland in MMA you are a tough customer and deserve great credit , but tbh you don't have the competition you would get in the other sports at the top level. Fair play to Conor, but Syferus don't confuse hype with prestige!
I'm no begrudger , just trying to contextualise Conor's success.
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Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:46:18 PM
Firstly, Sonia proved herself over a decade of performance and at several distances. She didn't just win a couple of races.
Secondly, just because MMA is a well known popular sport doesn't mean that someone who does a less popular sport isn't a sportiing great. That's just ignorant. So does teh popularity of the sport determine how much value the athlete has? Crap talk. Buster Douglas won a Heavyweight world title does that make him a far more worthy sportsman than 5 time gold medailst Chris Hoy becuase less people watch track cycling?????
Thirdly, McGregor is not a great. Christ, he has only had three title fights. He has lost 3 out of 24 fights. He's unusual yes in that he transferred divisions but that is hardly a jaw dropping feat. Very common in combat sports. In fact every combat sport has some multi-weight champions. It's not like he is Pacquaio who won across seven weights. Come to think of it Mayweather has won across five.
Whhat is great about a huge self promotion drive and three title wins. Good - yes, Very good - probably, Best around now - Well lets see a lot more fights first. Great - Laughable, three championship wins and only one defense. Stop kidding people. Many, many more wins needed to earn that accolade.
I'm not going to run down Conor, I'll leave the objective analysis to those who know more about boxing/mma. However running down Sonia's achievements is ridiculous. MMA is a tough sport but the razzamatazz , recent surge of interest, and questionable regulation mean that MMA is a long way off boxing , athletics etc in terms of prestige. Trying to place MMA in an elevated position because of recent promotional success , doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
In my opinion a sport's prestige is directly correlated to its worldwide participation. For example , millions play soccer and reaching the top in soccer(Roy Keane) has serious credibility. MMA by comparison has minimal participation throughout the world and its regulatory procedures are questionable, so it doesn't have the same prestige as boxing , for example. Most of the best sportspeople in Ireland are in GAA ,golf, horse racing , soccer, rugby, boxing , athletics ,. To reach the top in Ireland in MMA you are a tough customer and deserve great credit , but tbh you don't have the competition you would get in the other sports at the top level. Fair play to Conor, but Syferus don't confuse hype with prestige!
I'm no begrudger , just trying to contextualise Conor's success.
If you think middle-distance running is much more popular or more profitable than MMA I've news for you. Indeed pretty much every athletics discipline is almost totally subsidised by jingoistic nation states who see promotional value in medals. These are - in the main - not athletes who are buttering their own bread, so to speak. Exceptions such as elite 100m sprinters or people who become national darlings like O'Sulivan or Jessica Ennis and can parlay that popularity in hawking sponsorships and appearances are the exceptions that prove the rule. And then you get to the salient point that middle-distance running is itself just a niche of that not-very-popular grouping of sports.
People badly need to separate actually popular sports from ones being propped up nearly entirely from governmental grants. Just because lads like to run to keep fit doesn't mean many of them want to spend their spare time or spare money watching others do likewise.
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QuoteI'm a Conor McGregor fan, what's not to like about him? He's exciting, he's charismatic, he can punch. He's good for sport. But they are two different sports.
I like everything about Conor but I have to be brutally honest, I can't see it. When you see Canelo [Alvarez], he can't lay a punch on Floyd Mayweather, De La Hoya, masterful, masterful boxer, I was 100-mile-an-hour and aggressive as you like and he handled me no problems. And that was my game, in-fighting.
Sorry Conor, I can't even see it being a fight. I really can't. I can only see Mayweather all the way.
And I do hope I'm wrong, by the way, I hope he flattens Mayweather, I honestly do, but I honestly can't see it. I hope that hasn't offended my Irish fans, and Conor for that matter.
I just think he's the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world, one of the greatest of all time, and Conor's not had one boxing match yet.
Come on.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 23, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Sonja was a great of her sport and you are right to not allow her denigration.
But I just think McGregor has bitten off more than he can chew. In every cross code challenge match I can remember the crosser got pretty much wrecked - rugby to GAA, rugby union to league, snooker to pool.
As for not being able to question his credentials. Off course we can. He has almost none. McGregor has been shown to be a decent Irish Amatuer level at boxing. Even olympic boxers struggle to adjust to the pro style and that's virtually the same sport. Just because McGregor's sport involves striking doesn't make it the same type of thing as boxing. So virtually no boxing credentials. Never beaten won any senior boxing match in his life. Credentials for this - None
He's not even undefeated at UFC. Battered by Diaz and then only edged the man by a single point split decision in the rematch. Credentials here - Questionable!
At UFC has only had three title fights. Credentials here good but very little record of consistency in defending title in a sport that seems to be hard to hang on to a title
Opponents - he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight and never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight. Credentials here - questionable.
So yeah plenty of questions over his credentials the most important being that he had ABSOLUTELY NO PROFESSIONAL BOXING CREDENTIALS AT ALL
Anyway. I have not heard one person speaking in his support that has offered a technical reason why they think he has a chance.
While I agree with a lot of what you are saying I have to pick a few holes.
He is not even undefeated at UFC. UFC is not a sport. He is not undefeated in MMA is maybe what you meant. But who is. Even the GOATs have some losses on their records. Also his MMA credentials are not in question at all. Aldo for starters was undefeated in about 6/7 years and I'm pretty sure he was undefeated in the UFC before he fought Conor.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 24, 2017, 07:34:13 AM
While I agree with a lot of what you are saying I have to pick a few holes.
He is not even undefeated at UFC. UFC is not a sport. He is not undefeated in MMA is maybe what you meant. But who is. Even the GOATs have some losses on their records. Also his MMA credentials are not in question at all. Aldo for starters was undefeated in about 6/7 years and I'm pretty sure he was undefeated in the UFC before he fought Conor.
as you agree I really shouldn't be pedentic. But can't helpmyself clarifying. If I said "Ronaldo is the highest paid footballer in La liga in a sport that is known for paying huge wages" I think no one would say that I am wrong beuase la Liga isn't a sport and that I should have said football. So similarly I am aware that UFC is a championship in the MMA sport. I thought it would be implied. Anyway no matter.
Also I said Mcgregor "has never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight" Aldo was unbeaten before McGregor but has lost since. Beating man with a great history may sound fantastic but he goes on to lose then maybe you just got him at the right time. If you are the only person to better a champion within a couple of years period then that really adds gravitas to your victory. Aldo has yet to really come back and prove he justifies his long line of historic victories in curent terms.
However to show I am not completely without humility and can admit when I am wrong. I said "he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight" and that was wrong. Aldo was undefeated in main card events. I was wrong in that one.
Beating Aldo was impressive but all great fighters who beat a long standing champion are only really considered great if they can do it in a rematch which McGregor refused against Aldo. Is Joshua better than the great Klitschko? He won so that makes him also a great fighter, does it? How can we question his credentials? But we do question his credentials, and that is why there has to be a rematch. And that is why we can question McGregor's credentials even in MMA. His record in title fights is just not long enough. And his only rematch turning a defeat to a single point victory against a guy that has never won a UFC title is hardly convincing stuff. Especially as that guy had lost 10 out his previous 28 fights.
McGregor is a great self promoter. He is great craic. He is a great maximiser out of two title fight victories. But a great champion/fighter? Come on serioulsy - any jury that isn't still out on that one is not looking at the facts.
He's clearly not a great "champion" as of the four "world" titles he's win over the last five years, he has defended them a combined total of zero times.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 24, 2017, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 24, 2017, 07:34:13 AM
While I agree with a lot of what you are saying I have to pick a few holes.
He is not even undefeated at UFC. UFC is not a sport. He is not undefeated in MMA is maybe what you meant. But who is. Even the GOATs have some losses on their records. Also his MMA credentials are not in question at all. Aldo for starters was undefeated in about 6/7 years and I'm pretty sure he was undefeated in the UFC before he fought Conor.
as you agree I really shouldn't be pedentic. But can't helpmyself clarifying. If I said "Ronaldo is the highest paid footballer in La liga in a sport that is known for paying huge wages" I think no one would say that I am wrong beuase la Liga isn't a sport and that I should have said football. So similarly I am aware that UFC is a championship in the MMA sport. I thought it would be implied. Anyway no matter.
Also I said Mcgregor "has never beaten anyone in those fights that was undefeated within two years otherwise of McGregor's fight" Aldo was unbeaten before McGregor but has lost since. Beating man with a great history may sound fantastic but he goes on to lose then maybe you just got him at the right time. If you are the only person to better a champion within a couple of years period then that really adds gravitas to your victory. Aldo has yet to really come back and prove he justifies his long line of historic victories in curent terms.
However to show I am not completely without humility and can admit when I am wrong. I said "he has never beaten an opponent that was undefeated in a main card fight" and that was wrong. Aldo was undefeated in main card events. I was wrong in that one.
Beating Aldo was impressive but all great fighters who beat a long standing champion are only really considered great if they can do it in a rematch which McGregor refused against Aldo. Is Joshua better than the great Klitschko? He won so that makes him also a great fighter, does it? How can we question his credentials? But we do question his credentials, and that is why there has to be a rematch. And that is why we can question McGregor's credentials even in MMA. His record in title fights is just not long enough. And his only rematch turning a defeat to a single point victory against a guy that has never won a UFC title is hardly convincing stuff. Especially as that guy had lost 10 out his previous 28 fights.
McGregor is a great self promoter. He is great craic. He is a great maximiser out of two title fight victories. But a great champion/fighter? Come on serioulsy - any jury that isn't still out on that one is not looking at the facts.
Fair points. I still don't think his MMA credentials can really be questioned though. That said I do wish he would defend his title or defended his other one in a rematch against Aldo.
Never saw the need for a rematch with Aldo. Don't ever remember the clamour for a rematch in boxing or mma when a fighter is knocked out in the first round. Chapter closed.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2017, 08:26:02 AM
Never saw the need for a rematch with Aldo. Don't ever remember the clamour for a rematch in boxing or mma when a fighter is knocked out in the first round. Chapter closed.
I get what you're saying and has it have been a 3/5 round demolition 50-45 on the cards, or the way he destroyed Alvarez, then I would agree. But with the 13 second knockout there are a few what ifs. Like was it a lucky punch.
Love him or loathe him CMG is one of the best the UFC have seen.
Someone said loads of boxers have held multiple weight titles. FFS there is something like 18 different weight divisions and 4 odd belts per division. I could win one myself ::)
Boxing is on a downward spiral unless they start to get the best fighters against each other on a regular basis
Quote from: Taylor on June 25, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Love him or loathe him CMG is one of the best the UFC have seen.
Someone said loads of boxers have held multiple weight titles. FFS there is something like 18 different weight divisions and 4 odd belts per division. I could win one myself ::)
Boxing is on a downward spiral unless they start to get the best fighters against each other on a regular basis
People have been saying this for years. There are some absolutely brilliant fights to be made (and are being made) right throughout the divisions.
True Taylor, there is only 3lbs between some weights in boxing. Mayweather is a five weight world champion, but the difference from where he won his first to last is only 14lbs.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2017, 01:31:33 PM
True Taylor, there is only 3lbs between some weights in boxing. Mayweather is a five weight world champion, but the difference from where he won his first to last is only 14lbs.
No it's not, it's 24lbs.
Edit: or 22lbs if you want to get picky that the Canelo fight was at 152.
So Mayweather wins over 24 lbs. Pacquio wins over 42 lbs. Doesn't make McGregor winning over 10 lbs so amazing after all.
TAYLOR how do you make out " CMG is one of the best the UFC have seen. "
He has only ever had 10 UFC fights, lost one, and only ever beat two previous title holders. The second of whom had only held the title for one fight. Do you even know anything about his record or just repeat anything he says about himself?
The WUM is strong here.
I'm not a WUM. I have backed up every single point I made with sensible and reasoned facts. Not one opinion based on gut instinct or media hype. Read the posts and say where my analysis is lacking.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 25, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
So Mayweather wins over 24 lbs. Pacquio wins over 42 lbs. Doesn't make McGregor winning over 10 lbs so amazing after all.
TAYLOR how do you make out " CMG is one of the best the UFC have seen. "
He has only ever had 10 UFC fights, lost one, and only ever beat two previous title holders. The second of whom had only held the title for one fight. Do you even know anything about his record or just repeat anything he says about himself?
Ah, you got me.
I know absolutely nothing about his record and just repeat anything he says about himself ::)
Boxing is a joke currently. Too many belts, too many weights and not enough fights between the top boxers
Quote from: gallsman on June 25, 2017, 01:51:27 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 25, 2017, 01:31:33 PM
True Taylor, there is only 3lbs between some weights in boxing. Mayweather is a five weight world champion, but the difference from where he won his first to last is only 14lbs.
No it's not, it's 24lbs.
Edit: or 22lbs if you want to get picky that the Canelo fight was at 152.
Typo. I meant 24.
So you think winning titles "only" 24lbs apart somehow isn't much of an achievement?
Quote from: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 08:18:05 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 25, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
So Mayweather wins over 24 lbs. Pacquio wins over 42 lbs. Doesn't make McGregor winning over 10 lbs so amazing after all.
TAYLOR how do you make out " CMG is one of the best the UFC have seen. "
He has only ever had 10 UFC fights, lost one, and only ever beat two previous title holders. The second of whom had only held the title for one fight. Do you even know anything about his record or just repeat anything he says about himself?
Ah, you got me.
I know absolutely nothing about his record and just repeat anything he says about himself ::)
Boxing is a joke currently. Too many belts, too many weights and not enough fights between the top boxers
It certainly seems that way
Wembley Stadium first stop on the publicity tour. Serious product to sell.
Quote"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"
Seems like a poor taste signature Gallsman or is it not considered racist if you put it in a quote these days?? :-\
Quote from: StGallsGAA on July 05, 2017, 11:14:39 PM
Quote"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"
Seems like a poor taste signature Gallsman or is it not considered racist if you put it in a quote these days?? :-\
It's a line from the Wire ?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on July 05, 2017, 11:14:39 PM
Quote"Never mind your why. Why ain't in your repetoire no more n***a"
Seems like a poor taste signature Gallsman or is it not considered racist if you put it in a quote these days?? :-\
Poor taste? As pointed out above is from the Wire, meaning it shows
exceptional taste. These days? It's only been there for the last eight years or so.
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McGregor won't be getting inside Mayweather's head judging by that press conference anyway.
That was one of the most embarrassing, cringe worthy things I've ever seen. It was also in no way surprising.
Floyd somehow got the best line in about taxing his ass.
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
That was one of the most embarrassing, cringe worthy things I've ever seen. It was also in no way surprising.
Floyd somehow got the best line in about taxing his ass.
The whole thing is ridiculous and McGregor looked the more rattled with the Mr Tapout remark... that's enough to do me until the fight I think!
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2017, 11:40:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
That was one of the most embarrassing, cringe worthy things I've ever seen. It was also in no way surprising.
Floyd somehow got the best line in about taxing his ass.
The whole thing is ridiculous and McGregor looked the more rattled with the Mr Tapout remark... that's enough to do me until the fight I think!
No doubt there will be a thoroughly spontaneous and definitely not prearranged controversy in the next press conference to arouse interest, because tonight's won't sell many PPVs.
Anyone taking that s**t serious needs to take a long hard look at themselves. Phoney war of words to generate hype for a fight costing $100 on ppv.
I liked McGregor's suit!
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2017, 11:40:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
That was one of the most embarrassing, cringe worthy things I've ever seen. It was also in no way surprising.
Floyd somehow got the best line in about taxing his ass.
The whole thing is ridiculous and McGregor looked the more rattled with the Mr Tapout remark... that's enough to do me until the fight I think!
Really? Mayweatger cant slag anymore. Did they not turn off McGregors Mic?
Quote from: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 12:03:38 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 11, 2017, 11:40:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2017, 11:27:21 PM
That was one of the most embarrassing, cringe worthy things I've ever seen. It was also in no way surprising.
Floyd somehow got the best line in about taxing his ass.
The whole thing is ridiculous and McGregor looked the more rattled with the Mr Tapout remark... that's enough to do me until the fight I think!
No doubt there will be a thoroughly spontaneous and definitely not prearranged controversy in the next press conference to arouse interest, because tonight's won't sell many PPVs.
2 pantomime artistes with a penchant for the gym.
If the sporting event stands on its own 2 feet then why is this guff even necessary?
It is a circus
"I am honoured to be here, to give you this spectacle," McGregor said. "His little legs, his little core, his little head, I am going to knock him out inside four rounds, mark my words.
You will wave that white flag. You are going out on your face or your back. Which way do you want to go? All you need to do is show up and I will do the rest. Said Mayweather
Joke
But hopefully the guys who spend their dough watching it enjoy it
That was a bit of a laugh. Thought Mayweather was going to wipe his arse with the flag.
Pity McGregor didn't throw that money into the crowd.
McGregor a little more prepared for the format this time round. ;D Still a pile of nonsense but at least it was entertaining nonsense.
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair fucks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
Regarding Sonia O'Sullivan - the comments running her down are laughable but not surprising given the source. It amuses me at times that some people do not appreciate what a great she was. At her peak, she absolutely dominated women's middle distance running. She had some huge misfortune at Olympic games, illness and the obviously doped up Chinese who were never seen before or after. She still came back and won a silver in Sydney (second to another athlete with question marks over her). Not only is the by far the greatest Irish athlete of all time she's truly a great of her sport. To suggest otherwise is barstool analysis which is par for the course with that poster.
Incidentally. I saw last night that Sonia's 15 year old daughter is Australian U17 champion and she ran 2:11 for 800m in Santry last night. Apparently they are back living in Cobh and she will be representing Ireland.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
McGregor is doing his best to wind the entire Mayweather camp up, presumably to get Jnr to come out swinging. Can't see Mayweather being foolish enough for that, but you never know.
A bit of a circus and light entertainment, but McGregor would need to be careful if he keeps with the dance for me boy line as its bordering racism.
"I make money"
"You owe money"
First TKO goes to McGregor..
Quote from: johnneycool on July 13, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
McGregor is doing his best to wind the entire Mayweather camp up, presumably to get Jnr to come out swinging. Can't see Mayweather being foolish enough for that, but you never know.
A bit of a circus and light entertainment, but McGregor would need to be careful if he keeps with the dance for me boy line as its bordering racism.
Didn't think there was any winding up done there. Don't think either of said anything that they wouldn't have said at the earlier script meetings and dress rehearsal
Quote from: johnneycool on July 13, 2017, 01:36:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
McGregor is doing his best to wind the entire Mayweather camp up, presumably to get Jnr to come out swinging. Can't see Mayweather being foolish enough for that, but you never know.
A bit of a circus and light entertainment, but McGregor would need to be careful if he keeps with the dance for me boy line as its bordering racism.
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Wtf? Did you see the first press conference? I suppose a man can find offence if he looks hard enough
I've a feeling the London show will be a handlin. I'd say it'll be rough talk.
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
I've a feeling the London show will be a handlin. I'd say it'll be rough talk.
No doubt.
It's a big target market for PPV sales so they will be planning some blow up or controversy
Tough to go New York to London 1 day later and do the same show. It will be a long week for them, regardless of the perks.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Tough to go New York to London 1 day later and do the same show. It will be a long week for them, regardless of the perks.
What's the tough bits? The traveling, the time zones or remembering their lines?
I'm sure they will be well prepared. It's a money racket. The fight is the night they get paid. These are the days that determine how much they get paid so they will put their all into it.
Remember there is no actual sporting contest here. Just 2 guys trying to maximise the purse.
Zzz @ Leonard Cohen.
Quote from: LCohen on July 13, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Tough to go New York to London 1 day later and do the same show. It will be a long week for them, regardless of the perks.
What's the tough bits? The traveling, the time zones or remembering their lines?
I'm sure they will be well prepared. It's a money racket. The fight is the night they get paid. These are the days that determine how much they get paid so they will put their all into it.
Remember there is no actual sporting contest here. Just 2 guys trying to maximise the purse.
We even had the unlikely event of Mayweather talking himself down and talking McGregor up last night. It's all designed to make the viewer believe this is a fight for the ages between 2 all time warriors when the reality is that it's not even a contest.
These press conferences are nothing more than a sales roadshow to drum up support and hype for a nothing fight. Both fighters away from the cameras must be laughing their heads off. It makes me laugh to see comments claiming victories for one or the other at a press conference Iike it really matters.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 13, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
Quote from: LCohen on July 13, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Tough to go New York to London 1 day later and do the same show. It will be a long week for them, regardless of the perks.
What's the tough bits? The traveling, the time zones or remembering their lines?
I'm sure they will be well prepared. It's a money racket. The fight is the night they get paid. These are the days that determine how much they get paid so they will put their all into it.
Remember there is no actual sporting contest here. Just 2 guys trying to maximise the purse.
We even had the unlikely event of Mayweather talking himself down and talking McGregor up last night. It's all designed to make the viewer believe this is a fight for the ages between 2 all time warriors when the reality is that it's not even a contest.
These press conferences are nothing more than a sales roadshow to drum up support and hype for a nothing fight. Both fighters away from the cameras must be laughing their heads off. It makes me laugh to see comments claiming victories for one or the other at a press conference Iike it really matters.
Zzz @ yellow card
Syferus
All I'm doing is pointing out that this whole thing is a farce from beginning to end. Take any post that treats this as anything other than bullshit and explain why you are not directing your zzz at them
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
That would be why he hasn't brought a boxing coach on board then, yeah?
Bit of bust in New York...wonder how it will go down in London?
Can see some sort scripted altercation to maximize effect
Quote from: gawa316 on July 14, 2017, 08:08:58 AM
Bit of bust in New York...wonder how it will go down in London?
Can see some sort scripted altercation to maximize effect
Will be pretty noticeable if it's scripted when they have to say anything more than "you're a bitch"
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
I agree with this. He isn't even an exciting boxer to watch. he is a master for sure and if you are in to the finer skills of boxing then he is the textbook. But if you want excitement look elsewhere. Mayweather stands off and picks his punches to score points with as little impact on himself as possible. He is very proud of not having his face hit very often. Basically he employs the tactics of amateur boxing. In 14 fights over 12 years he has only stopped two fighters.
But in the confines of boxing rules he will take McGregor to pieces. This is a fighting format that is highly technical. McGregor has simply not got those technical skills. He never even had an adult boxing match at amateur level.
Now in the octagon, different story, I would rate it 50/50.
Mayweather said he didn't care where the fight was and McGregor started shouting from the side "you do care, you do care" It was like listening to a a child's playground retort, hilarious.
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 14, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
I agree with this. He isn't even an exciting boxer to watch. he is a master for sure and if you are in to the finer skills of boxing then he is the textbook. But if you want excitement look elsewhere. Mayweather stands off and picks his punches to score points with as little impact on himself as possible. He is very proud of not having his face hit very often. Basically he employs the tactics of amateur boxing. In 14 fights over 12 years he has only stopped two fighters.
But in the confines of boxing rules he will take McGregor to pieces. This is a fighting format that is highly technical. McGregor has simply not got those technical skills. He never even had an adult boxing match at amateur level.
Now in the octagon, different story, I would rate it 50/50.
Mayweather said he didn't care where the fight was and McGregor started shouting from the side "you do care, you do care" It was like listening to a a child's playground retort, hilarious.
What would you rate as 50/50 in the Octagon?
Quote from: Taylor on July 14, 2017, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 14, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
I agree with this. He isn't even an exciting boxer to watch. he is a master for sure and if you are in to the finer skills of boxing then he is the textbook. But if you want excitement look elsewhere. Mayweather stands off and picks his punches to score points with as little impact on himself as possible. He is very proud of not having his face hit very often. Basically he employs the tactics of amateur boxing. In 14 fights over 12 years he has only stopped two fighters.
But in the confines of boxing rules he will take McGregor to pieces. This is a fighting format that is highly technical. McGregor has simply not got those technical skills. He never even had an adult boxing match at amateur level.
Now in the octagon, different story, I would rate it 50/50.
Mayweather said he didn't care where the fight was and McGregor started shouting from the side "you do care, you do care" It was like listening to a a child's playground retort, hilarious.
What would you rate as 50/50 in the Octagon?
Mayweather wouldn't last a minute in the octagon.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 14, 2017, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 14, 2017, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 14, 2017, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
I've no time for or interest in MMA but I can't help but admire what McGregor has done. Fair f**ks to him for talking his way into this fight and whether people believe it's a joke or a certainty you can be guaranteed he'll train and prepare as hard as possible. He's not just there to take the money.....he badly wants to win and will give a genuine effort. He probably doesn't have a prayer.
Mayweather is a detestable piece of shit. A vulgar woman beating tax defaulter. People are buying into this fight in the hope than McGregor can somehow, miraculously land one of those explosive lefts on this guys and spark him out.
I agree with this. He isn't even an exciting boxer to watch. he is a master for sure and if you are in to the finer skills of boxing then he is the textbook. But if you want excitement look elsewhere. Mayweather stands off and picks his punches to score points with as little impact on himself as possible. He is very proud of not having his face hit very often. Basically he employs the tactics of amateur boxing. In 14 fights over 12 years he has only stopped two fighters.
But in the confines of boxing rules he will take McGregor to pieces. This is a fighting format that is highly technical. McGregor has simply not got those technical skills. He never even had an adult boxing match at amateur level.
Now in the octagon, different story, I would rate it 50/50.
Mayweather said he didn't care where the fight was and McGregor started shouting from the side "you do care, you do care" It was like listening to a a child's playground retort, hilarious.
What would you rate as 50/50 in the Octagon?
Mayweather wouldn't last a minute in the octagon.
You are being kind MS - wouldnt even last a minute.
I doubt any sane person would think otherwise. Perhaps he meant something else
I'd pay a lot of money to see McGregor get a go at Mayweather in the octagon.
In a real fight, in the Octagon, McGregor would kill Mayweather. Would love to see it.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
In a real fight, in the Octagon, McGregor would kill Mayweather. Would love to see it.
A real fight? Define a real fight. Why is MMA more real than boxing?
It's probably less real of a fight than, say, urban warfare. Who would win that do you think?
Quote from: gallsman on July 14, 2017, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
In a real fight, in the Octagon, McGregor would kill Mayweather. Would love to see it.
A real fight? Define a real fight. Why is MMA more real than boxing?
It's probably less real of a fight than, say, urban warfare. Who would win that do you think?
Boxing allows the use of the fists only, no kicking, wrestling, grabbing, lifting etc therefore in comparison with MMA it's not a real fight. We are talking about unarmed fighting by the way, not sure how you ended up at urban warfare.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 14, 2017, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
In a real fight, in the Octagon, McGregor would kill Mayweather. Would love to see it.
A real fight? Define a real fight. Why is MMA more real than boxing?
It's probably less real of a fight than, say, urban warfare. Who would win that do you think?
Boxing allows the use of the fists only, no kicking, wrestling, grabbing, lifting etc therefore in comparison with MMA it's not a real fight. We are talking about unarmed fighting by the way, not sure how you ended up at urban warfare.
Weird thing to pull you up on anyways.
MMA has limits though. Why not just have a scrap in the street where eye gouging and headbutting and groin shots are allowed?
The "in a real fight" shite that people continue to spew is complete f**king nonsense. They've contracted to compete in what will allegedly be a boxing match. Everything else is completely irrelevant, whether that be MMA, knife fights or inner city gang warfare.
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Weird thing to pull you up on anyways.
I wouldn't expect a Muppet like you to grasp the concept of hyperbole, so don't worry yourself trying to figure it out.
Quote from: gallsman on July 14, 2017, 07:12:03 PM
MMA has limits though. Why not just have a scrap in the street where eye gouging and headbutting and groin shots are allowed?
The "in a real fight" shite that people continue to spew is complete f**king nonsense. They've contracted to compete in what will allegedly be a boxing match. Everything else is completely irrelevant, whether that be MMA, knife fights or inner city gang warfare.
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
Weird thing to pull you up on anyways.
I wouldn't expect a Muppet like you to grasp the concept of hyperbole, so don't worry yourself trying to figure it out.
You're the sort of person who continually takes things to ridiculous extremes, aren't you? Urban warfare?
A walking example of Godwin's Law..
Why is it any more ridiculous to discuss them hypothetically engaging in urban warfare than it is an MMA bout?
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 05:51:21 PM
In a real fight, in the Octagon, McGregor would kill Mayweather. Would love to see it.
As a punishment beating or as sport?
Why are sky "sports" covering this shit? And in such detail?
They are now analysing the PR. Not just covering it but analysing it.
Anybody any insightful opinions on how McGregor pranced around an otherwise empty ring for a good 10 mins?
This is all supposed to sell ppv packages. Who are the people who are cough up on the back of watching this shit?
Mc gregor is the most electifying man in sports entertainement since the rock
Quote from: HiMucker on July 14, 2017, 08:56:44 PM
Mc gregor is the most electifying man in sports entertainement since the rock
And in my opinion the peoples left hook is the most electrifying move in sports entertainment.
BBC Sport have been following it closely too. People are obviously clicking on the story.
Those final 2 conferences were crap enough. Toronto was great crack - they just rehashed old stuff from then on. You could see McGregor was bored with it by the last one.
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
Those final 2 conferences were crap enough. Toronto was great crack - they just rehashed old stuff from then on. You could see McGregor was bored with it by the last one.
So badly staged and both were struggling to remember the lines they were given.
nrico2006 by the sound of it, you never been in a real fight, double. triple teamed, kicked in the head, maybe unfortunate enough to get stabbed, thats a real fight in todays society, this illusion that MMA is real fighting is laughable, a failed NFL footballer and WWE wrestler came into MMA and became champ in no time.
The ridiculousness of this circus is that you have pundits analysing the press conferences and scoring each one in terms of 10-8/10-9 scores. Complete fraud show which will be proven after the fight when they both walk off with huge pay cheques and dish out platitudes to each other showing it was all just an act.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2017, 11:06:54 PM
nrico2006 by the sound of it, you never been in a real fight, double. triple teamed, kicked in the head, maybe unfortunate enough to get stabbed, thats a real fight in todays society, this illusion that MMA is real fighting is laughable, a failed NFL footballer and WWE wrestler came into MMA and became champ in no time.
Brock Lesnar was an NCAA champion wrestler before any of those things. You only need to look at him to know he'd be pretty good at throttling the shit out of someone.
Try again..
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2017, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 14, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
Those final 2 conferences were crap enough. Toronto was great crack - they just rehashed old stuff from then on. You could see McGregor was bored with it by the last one.
So badly staged and both were struggling to remember the lines they were given.
In hindsight have the 4 press conferences back to back probably wasnt the greatest idea as the last 2 were shite enough
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jun/15/conor-mcgregor-floyd-mayweather-fight-ufc-boxing
See they reckon £60 for UK PPV with either Sky or ITV Box Office. I've no notion of watching anyway but that's surely a bit steep for this market.
If this was real and not scripted surely there would have been a bit of shoving at least as well as some slabbering about Mayweathers women beating antics.
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
"McGregor makes a strange bedfellow for those who appear alongside him in the sports pages. Look at Aidan O'Shea, that most unfairly criticised of Gaelic footballers, who during the week decided to answer the criticism levelled at him by Bernard Flynn.
O'Shea explained, eloquently and with good manners, that when he was a ten-year-old he'd loved getting autographs from players, so when kids ask him for the same thing he always obliges them. He didn't say, 'F**k you Bernard Flynn, f**k you, f**k you, f**k you, you Meath cockroach'"
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
I really don't like Sweeney but I'll admit he occasionally has his "stopped clock" moments. I don't believe the above is one of them though. Pretty poor piece. Saying McGregor is "blank from the neck up" and comparing him to Anna Kournikova? Bullshit. He's certainly not stupid and he has won titles including fights that he was not expected to win. He is dedicated to his craft and I believe is getting every last ounce out of his abilities. By all means dislike the language* and behaviour and criticise the farcical nature of this bout but Sweeney often goes too far trying to make his point and this is a prime example. I do not like MMA or am I particularly fond of McGregor but that article is just wrong on many levels.
* I sometimes laugh at the fake indignation of some at the use of the f word. People use it in every day life, certainly where McGregor is from, so why pretend otherwise. It's typically Irish. Like banning abortion and ignoring the huge numbers going overseas to heathen lands to get them.
Sweeney should stick to writing about Sligo Rovers.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2017, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
I really don't like Sweeney but I'll admit he occasionally has his "stopped clock" moments. I don't believe the above is one of them though. Pretty poor piece. Saying McGregor is "blank from the neck up" and comparing him to Anna Kournikova? Bullshit. He's certainly not stupid and he has won titles including fights that he was not expected to win. He is dedicated to his craft and I believe is getting every last ounce out of his abilities. By all means dislike the language* and behaviour and criticise the farcical nature of this bout but Sweeney often goes too far trying to make his point and this is a prime example. I do not like MMA or am I particularly fond of McGregor but that article is just wrong on many levels.
* I sometimes laugh at the fake indignation of some at the use of the f word. People use it in every day life, certainly where McGregor is from, so why pretend otherwise. It's typically Irish. Like banning abortion and ignoring the huge numbers going overseas to heathen lands to get them.
Sweeney should stick to writing about Sligo Rovers.
Well said, found the Kournikova reference a bit crap myself. Kournikova achieved nothing in the singles game really, whereas McGregor has won UFC titles at two weights. As for using the f word, dunno what part of Ireland he is from as everyone I know uses it as commonly as any other word.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 17, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2017, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
I really don't like Sweeney but I'll admit he occasionally has his "stopped clock" moments. I don't believe the above is one of them though. Pretty poor piece. Saying McGregor is "blank from the neck up" and comparing him to Anna Kournikova? Bullshit. He's certainly not stupid and he has won titles including fights that he was not expected to win. He is dedicated to his craft and I believe is getting every last ounce out of his abilities. By all means dislike the language* and behaviour and criticise the farcical nature of this bout but Sweeney often goes too far trying to make his point and this is a prime example. I do not like MMA or am I particularly fond of McGregor but that article is just wrong on many levels.
* I sometimes laugh at the fake indignation of some at the use of the f word. People use it in every day life, certainly where McGregor is from, so why pretend otherwise. It's typically Irish. Like banning abortion and ignoring the huge numbers going overseas to heathen lands to get them.
Sweeney should stick to writing about Sligo Rovers.
Well said, found the Kournikova reference a bit crap myself. Kournikova achieved nothing in the singles game really, whereas McGregor has won UFC titles at two weights. As for using the f word, dunno what part of Ireland he is from as everyone I know uses it as commonly as any other word.
He must have earplugs in when he's at the Showgrounds.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2017, 10:09:00 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
I really don't like Sweeney but I'll admit he occasionally has his "stopped clock" moments. I don't believe the above is one of them though. Pretty poor piece. Saying McGregor is "blank from the neck up" and comparing him to Anna Kournikova? Bullshit. He's certainly not stupid and he has won titles including fights that he was not expected to win. He is dedicated to his craft and I believe is getting every last ounce out of his abilities. By all means dislike the language* and behaviour and criticise the farcical nature of this bout but Sweeney often goes too far trying to make his point and this is a prime example. I do not like MMA or am I particularly fond of McGregor but that article is just wrong on many levels.
* I sometimes laugh at the fake indignation of some at the use of the f word. People use it in every day life, certainly where McGregor is from, so why pretend otherwise. It's typically Irish. Like banning abortion and ignoring the huge numbers going overseas to heathen lands to get them.
Sweeney should stick to writing about Sligo Rovers.
No surprise you don't like a good journalist.
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
Am embarrassing read.
Either he knows nothing about CMcG's achievements in MMA or he is on the wind up.
Getting more attention so I suppose the Indo are delighted he has put this dirt in print
Quote from: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 17, 2017, 09:34:00 AM
Not that I'm any particular fan of Sweeney's but I think he sums it up pretty well here . . .
http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/eamonn-sweeney-conor-mcgregor-represents-not-toxic-masculinity-but-toxic-imbecility-35934744.html
Am embarrassing read.
Either he knows nothing about CMcG's achievements in MMA or he is on the wind up.
Getting more attention so I suppose the Indo are delighted he has put this dirt in print
People talk about Sky and the hype machine. . . has there ever been a more hyped guy than McGregor?
People keep talking about McGregor winning titles at 2 weights! But g he didnt even defend one if them! When he fighting the no 1 rated fighter at his current weight and not someone like diaz who only rated 5th or6th
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 08:59:46 PM
People keep talking about McGregor winning titles at 2 weights! But g he didnt even defend one if them! When he fighting the no 1 rated fighter at his current weight and not someone like diaz who only rated 5th or6th
Look - I know very little about MMA but most informed commentators thought he'd lose to Jose Aldo who was widely regarded as one of the top 2 or 3 pound for pound fighters in UFC at the time and he wiped him out in seconds. In his field he has done the business, certainly more than Anna Kournikova.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 08:59:46 PM
People keep talking about McGregor winning titles at 2 weights! But g he didnt even defend one if them! When he fighting the no 1 rated fighter at his current weight and not someone like diaz who only rated 5th or6th
But he beat both the champions of each division, as well as some of the top ranked featherweights.
Will anyone here NOT be tuning in to have a look at this (and save the 'but i wont be paying for it')? I see it as nothing more than a bit of craic, and tbh, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 18, 2017, 09:36:22 AM
Will anyone here NOT be tuning in to have a look at this (and save the 'but i wont be paying for it')? I see it as nothing more than a bit of craic, and tbh, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.
Exactly it has crossing into Sports Entertainment, I'll be watching it for sure for the entertainment value not the quality of boxing.
Wouldn't miss it, should be some craic, i wonder what entrance Mc Gregor will make, any ideas?
I'll watch it but more for nosiness than anything else.
Kind of like the way two drunk lads start squaring up in the kebab shop and you go "ah for f**k sake look at these two dickheads" but you still watch the scrap because it's just human nature!
Quote from: JoG2 on July 18, 2017, 09:36:22 AM
Will anyone here NOT be tuning in to have a look at this (and save the 'but i wont be paying for it')? I see it as nothing more than a bit of craic, and tbh, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all pans out.
Have yet to watch any of McGregors fights live and I won't be changing for this farce. If it was at a decent hour I'd watch it but I'm not overly interested in UFC bouts to interrupt my sleep pattern, least of all this mismatch. I suspect the viewing figures will be huge in the US though.
I'll probably watch it. But agree this is an entertainment production it is not a serious sporting contest. I want McGregor to win simply because he's Irish. But Mayweather knocking him out would be a more appropriate result for anyone who appreciates the technical skills of boxing. Also Mayweather is such a monumental asshole that its very hard to say anything good about him.
How many will pay for it tho? This board is full of knaves who pay for nuttin.
It's the night before the potential Tyrone/Dublin semi? Or the morning of it. Some bleary eyes in Croke that day.
LOL
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No interest in Mcgregor after the NY press conference. Feel sorry for anyone who thinks that's entertainment or funny or witty. The guys an embarassment.
Dave Hannigan weighs in on the circus . . .
http://irishecho.com/2017/07/race-to-the-bottom/
Hard to argue with that.
Give me a break Dave.
Just because he is arrogant doesn't lessen his achievements.
Would far rather we put him on a pedestal (for his acheievements) than boast about being gracious losers and the best supporters at a tournament.
Why do the Irish have to be humble about their achievements?
Quote from: Taylor on July 27, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Give me a break Dave.
Just because he is arrogant doesn't lessen his achievements.
Would far rather we put him on a pedestal (for his acheievements) than boast about being gracious losers and the best supporters at a tournament.
Why do the Irish have to be humble about their achievements?
Well said.
It's not because he's arrogant. Arrogance is not a mortal sin. I like our stars to be humble, but arrogance itself wouldn't be the killer. It's the general behaviour. The foul mouthedness, the gratuitous insults, the casual racism. I realise it's all just a show, but I think it's pathetic.
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
It's not because he's arrogant. Arrogance is not a mortal sin. I like our stars to be humble, but arrogance itself wouldn't be the killer. It's the general behaviour. The foul mouthedness, the gratuitous insults, the casual racism. I realise it's all just a show, but I think it's pathetic.
"Yeah, well what would you know anyway. You're just a jealous begrudger. You need to educate yourself"
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 27, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
It's not because he's arrogant. Arrogance is not a mortal sin. I like our stars to be humble, but arrogance itself wouldn't be the killer. It's the general behaviour. The foul mouthedness, the gratuitous insults, the casual racism. I realise it's all just a show, but I think it's pathetic.
Exactly. I'd see it the same way. The "f**k you" suit was so childish.
He's going to make himself the guts of $100million in his next fight from that sort of behaviour! Fair played to him.
Quote from: JimStynes on July 27, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
He's going to make himself the guts of $100million in his next fight from that sort of behaviour! Fair played to him.
He is. You can make that amount robbing Fort Knox too, doesn't make it right.
Why are people so overjoyed that McGregor is set for life because of this? It's constantly referenced. Reflected glory work in monetary terms too?
I saw a photo of him sparring in the Irish News the other day and was taken aback at how exposed he looked throwing a jab, I came to the conclusion the he must have staged it as it looked so awful - if not, he's going to get badly embarrassed by Mayweather.
I like trash talkers in sport. I find them entertaining. This trash talker so happens to be from Ireland and is a very funny one, which makes me like him even more, so I say fair played to him. It's also great story! A young fella from Dublin who was on welfare a few years ago is about to fight Floyd Mayweather for $100million. Circus or not it's great story. The 'fight' itself will be shite and he hasn't a chance. I won't bother paying for it but I will definitely tune in to all the shit talk. I'm taking it for what it is and not getting annoyed that it's not going to be the best fight in history! I will be getting up early to watch the Broner V Garcia fight this weekend to watch a proper boxing match between two very skilled fighters.
It is definitely an Irish and English trait to hate anyone successful or a bit different. You have to be boring like Harrington etc to be liked in Ireland it seems.
Quote from: Taylor on July 27, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Give me a break Dave.
Just because he is arrogant doesn't lessen his achievements.
Would far rather we put him on a pedestal (for his acheievements) than boast about being gracious losers and the best supporters at a tournament.
Why do the Irish have to be humble about their achievements?
Not often I agree with this man but think this post is spot on.
Arrogance is when you are openly proud of yourself for something you cannot justify
Confidence is when you are openly proud of yourself for things you can justify
McGregor has defo gone from confidence to arrogance during this process but as Taylor said that doesn't take away from the things he has indeed earned, and for those things, why should he be humble and deferent about his victories.
Quote from: PAULD123 on July 27, 2017, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Taylor on July 27, 2017, 10:27:25 AM
Give me a break Dave.
Just because he is arrogant doesn't lessen his achievements.
Would far rather we put him on a pedestal (for his acheievements) than boast about being gracious losers and the best supporters at a tournament.
Why do the Irish have to be humble about their achievements?
Not often I agree with this man but think this post is spot on.
Arrogance is when you are openly proud of yourself for something you cannot justify
Confidence is when you are openly proud of yourself for things you can justify
McGregor has defo gone from confidence to arrogance during this process but as Taylor said that doesn't take away from the things he has indeed earned, and for those things, why should he be humble and deferent about his victories.
If anyone deserves to be arrogant, it's him. He definitely curses too much, a trait held by many Irish unfortunately.
He's created a persona that made him famous, he followed it up with achievements in the octagon that made him a great. Its ridiculous how fast he's gone from earning 10k a fight to tens of millions.
People who judge him by just what he says in his press conferences are being short sighted in my view. Most of what he says to opponents is to either generate laughs or to get inside his opponents heads to make them hate him and throw away their gameplan.
One of the great things I've found about following UFC is all the coverage on youtube etc of things that happen before and after the press conferences and fights. In these, you can see McGregor talking to his team laughing about things that went on. You get a much better feel for him when he's not acting. Particularly good are the videos of Q&As he gives to the press after fights. In these he usually has the height of praise for his opponents and he just has a normal persona.
The recent clip of when Mayweather Snr interrupted a McGregor press conference, which started with them roaring abuse at each other and ended with them laughing with each other and McGregor saying something like "you actually really like me" was great fun. Highlighted McGregor's charisma and wit.
The lame racism accusations from some are absolute nonsense. And Mayweather Snr said the same when asked about it.
McGregor's sporting achievements for me wouldn't sit with Katie Taylor/Rory McIlroy/Harrington/McGuigan/Frampton. For one he is still young and hasn't finished his career so he has the capacity to live with the above names, secondly for me UFC is still a minority sport and while it's big money he's not the number one rated either which goes against him.
With regard to the bravado I have no problem whatsoever with him bragging about what he's done in the ring, saying he wants to take over the UFC and how he thinks he'll win in round x, the red panty night thing is all good banter and.
The money stuff is putrid though and nobody wants to hear someone go on about how much money they make. Lads like Harrington/McIlroy/Frampton have no problem telling you how good they think you are but they don't need to measure themselves in millions of dollars or use profanity left and right to get their point across.
I hope it doesn't happen but the McGregor story to me looks like a familiar one . . . I can't help but think there is a fall from grace coming at some stage!! The working class background, the fast rise to stardom, the questionable company he keeps, the ego, the money all points to a precarious position.
A bit more humility might help him out in the long run and endear him to more people in Ireland and the world.
I think your underestimating him big time SE.
By all accounts he's a humble and hard working lad away from the cameras. It's all a game and he plays it better than anyone else.
With the deals he has signed with UFC - shares in the company and the European gym franchise I don't see the money running out any time soon. Remember MMA is a much faster growing sport than Boxing.
Who's to say he won't end up in Hollywood either. If the Rock and Vin Diesel can do movies so can McGregor.
I don't think people are saying he's the best ever or anything like that. He's definitely one of the biggest superstars in sport at the minute though. I reckon he will end up in the movies and some sort of fashion label.
I'd put his achievements on par or above Katie Taylor at least. I think both their achievements are over hyped tbh
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 27, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
With the deals he has signed with UFC - shares in the company and the European gym franchise I don't see the money running out any time soon. Remember MMA is a much faster growing sport than Boxing.
He doesn't have shares in the company.
This line about MMA being a rapidly growing sport - it is obviously still in its relative infancy, so can anyone point to any statistics to back this kind of claim up?!
I can't think of any other Irish person either real or acted with a media brand like McGregor, either now or in the past.
Eamonn Sweeney said it well
"O'Shea explained, eloquently and with good manners, that when he was a ten-year-old he'd loved getting autographs from players, so when kids ask him for the same thing he always obliges them. He didn't say, 'F**k you Bernard Flynn, f**k you, f**k you, f**k you, you Meath cockroach'. If he had done there would have been uproar. Few people would have complimented him for being 'hilarious'. Most people would have wondered if he was right in the head."
Quote from: gallsman on July 27, 2017, 05:01:45 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 27, 2017, 04:14:06 PM
With the deals he has signed with UFC - shares in the company and the European gym franchise I don't see the money running out any time soon. Remember MMA is a much faster growing sport than Boxing.
He doesn't have shares in the company.
This line about MMA being a rapidly growing sport - it is obviously still in its relative infancy, so can anyone point to any statistics to back this kind of claim up?!
I thought he had a cut? More fake news then
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
I'd put his achievements on par or above Katie Taylor at least. I think both their achievements are over hyped tbh
The big fella is only a big fella on the internet I'd say.
Bet you wouldn't say as much to Katie Taylor's face ya big coward.
Quote from: screenexile on July 27, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
McGregor's sporting achievements for me wouldn't sit with Katie Taylor/Rory McIlroy/Harrington/McGuigan/Frampton. For one he is still young and hasn't finished his career so he has the capacity to live with the above names, secondly for me UFC is still a minority sport and while it's big money he's not the number one rated either which goes against him.
With regard to the bravado I have no problem whatsoever with him bragging about what he's done in the ring, saying he wants to take over the UFC and how he thinks he'll win in round x, the red panty night thing is all good banter and.
The money stuff is putrid though and nobody wants to hear someone go on about how much money they make. Lads like Harrington/McIlroy/Frampton have no problem telling you how good they think you are but they don't need to measure themselves in millions of dollars or use profanity left and right to get their point across.
I hope it doesn't happen but the McGregor story to me looks like a familiar one . . . I can't help but think there is a fall from grace coming at some stage!! The working class background, the fast rise to stardom, the questionable company he keeps, the ego, the money all points to a precarious position.
A bit more humility might help him out in the long run and endear him to more people in Ireland and the world.
McGuigan & Frampton....how many belts did they win and defend?
Katie Taylor is an exceptional boxer but how many quality lady boxers are there?
CMcG trash talking does my head in but if he had achieved exactly what he has but walked around with his head down being humble like the 'Irish are supposed to' would you guys have more respect for him then?
No country in the world dislike their own celebrating success like the Irish.....gallant losers are better thought of in this country ???
I cannot see too many redeeming features in the lad
Quote from: Taylor on July 27, 2017, 05:33:15 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 27, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
McGregor's sporting achievements for me wouldn't sit with Katie Taylor/Rory McIlroy/Harrington/McGuigan/Frampton. For one he is still young and hasn't finished his career so he has the capacity to live with the above names, secondly for me UFC is still a minority sport and while it's big money he's not the number one rated either which goes against him.
With regard to the bravado I have no problem whatsoever with him bragging about what he's done in the ring, saying he wants to take over the UFC and how he thinks he'll win in round x, the red panty night thing is all good banter and.
The money stuff is putrid though and nobody wants to hear someone go on about how much money they make. Lads like Harrington/McIlroy/Frampton have no problem telling you how good they think you are but they don't need to measure themselves in millions of dollars or use profanity left and right to get their point across.
I hope it doesn't happen but the McGregor story to me looks like a familiar one . . . I can't help but think there is a fall from grace coming at some stage!! The working class background, the fast rise to stardom, the questionable company he keeps, the ego, the money all points to a precarious position.
A bit more humility might help him out in the long run and endear him to more people in Ireland and the world.
McGuigan & Frampton....how many belts did they win and defend?
Katie Taylor is an exceptional boxer but how many quality lady boxers are there?
CMcG trash talking does my head in but if he had achieved exactly what he has but walked around with his head down being humble like the 'Irish are supposed to' would you guys have more respect for him then?
No country in the world dislike their own celebrating success like the Irish.....gallant losers are better thought of in this country ???
typical begrudgery.... if he lost his fortune they would throw a parade for him...
Quote from: dclane on July 27, 2017, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
I'd put his achievements on par or above Katie Taylor at least. I think both their achievements are over hyped tbh
The big fella is only a big fella on the internet I'd say.
Bet you wouldn't say as much to Katie Taylor's face ya big coward.
Wise up you moron. She's may be an outstanding Irish athlete and so is McGregor; what she and McGregor have achieved though is in what could be classed "niche" sports. The proverbial big fish in a small pond, especially women's boxing where there was very little competition. Her legacy shouldn't be measured by what she has achieved in the ring but with what she has done raising the profile of women's boxing at home and abroad. People get a bit carried away about her.
Do her amateur boxing achievements outweigh for example what Leona Maguire has achieved, absolutely not. Her pro fights have been dubious to say the least but again its raising the profile.
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: dclane on July 27, 2017, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
I'd put his achievements on par or above Katie Taylor at least. I think both their achievements are over hyped tbh
The big fella is only a big fella on the internet I'd say.
Bet you wouldn't say as much to Katie Taylor's face ya big coward.
Wise up you moron. She's may be an outstanding Irish athlete and so is McGregor; what she and McGregor have achieved though is in what could be classed "niche" sports. The proverbial big fish in a small pond, especially women's boxing where there was very little competition. Her legacy shouldn't be measured by what she has achieved in the ring but with what she has done raising the profile of women's boxing at home and abroad. People get a bit carried away about her.
Do her amateur boxing achievements outweigh for example what Leona Maguire has achieved, absolutely not. Her pro fights have been dubious to say the least but again its raising the profile.
I had to Google Leona Maguire. Says it all. Please stop the transparent trolling.
Quote from: Syferus on July 27, 2017, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 06:58:59 PM
Quote from: dclane on July 27, 2017, 05:29:18 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on July 27, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
I'd put his achievements on par or above Katie Taylor at least. I think both their achievements are over hyped tbh
The big fella is only a big fella on the internet I'd say.
Bet you wouldn't say as much to Katie Taylor's face ya big coward.
Wise up you moron. She's may be an outstanding Irish athlete and so is McGregor; what she and McGregor have achieved though is in what could be classed "niche" sports. The proverbial big fish in a small pond, especially women's boxing where there was very little competition. Her legacy shouldn't be measured by what she has achieved in the ring but with what she has done raising the profile of women's boxing at home and abroad. People get a bit carried away about her.
Do her amateur boxing achievements outweigh for example what Leona Maguire has achieved, absolutely not. Her pro fights have been dubious to say the least but again its raising the profile.
I had to Google Leona Maguire. Says it all. Please stop the transparent trolling.
Have you actually contributed anything to this thread?
Quote from: screenexile on July 27, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
McGregor's sporting achievements for me wouldn't sit with Katie Taylor/Rory McIlroy/Harrington/McGuigan/Frampton. For one he is still young and hasn't finished his career so he has the capacity to live with the above names, secondly for me UFC is still a minority sport and while it's big money he's not the number one rated either which goes against him.
With regard to the bravado I have no problem whatsoever with him bragging about what he's done in the ring, saying he wants to take over the UFC and how he thinks he'll win in round x, the red panty night thing is all good banter and.
The money stuff is putrid though and nobody wants to hear someone go on about how much money they make. Lads like Harrington/McIlroy/Frampton have no problem telling you how good they think you are but they don't need to measure themselves in millions of dollars or use profanity left and right to get their point across.
I hope it doesn't happen but the McGregor story to me looks like a familiar one . . . I can't help but think there is a fall from grace coming at some stage!! The working class background, the fast rise to stardom, the questionable company he keeps, the ego, the money all points to a precarious position.
A bit more humility might help him out in the long run and endear him to more people in Ireland and the world.
He is the number 1 rated lightweight now and was the number 1 featherweight before that. Katie Taylors achievements have to be taken in perspective too though and while I really like Frampton and McGuigan, their records aren't exactly laced with victories against top top fighters.
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
Taylor, McGuigan, Frampton etc - McGregor is a bigger star than them all. Outside of boxing fans no one has a clue who they are.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
He avoided Azumah Nelson so much that all his titles are tainted in my eyes. He picked off the easier belt and boxed a few journeymen like Taylor before getting stung in Vegas.
You can pick holes in anyone's achievements if you dig deep enough.
Barry is no boxing great.
I never said he was a great, I was merely referring to his win over the long reigning champ in Pedroza.
Quote from: JimStynes on July 28, 2017, 09:07:27 AM
Taylor, McGuigan, Frampton etc - McGregor is a bigger star than them all. Outside of boxing fans no one has a clue who they are.
Being a bigger star is nothing to do with athletic achievement. I doubt you'd find anyone here who would dispute that he's the biggest star of the lot.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 28, 2017, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
He avoided Azumah Nelson so much that all his titles are tainted in my eyes. He picked off the easier belt and boxed a few journeymen like Taylor before getting stung in Vegas.
You can pick holes in anyone's achievements if you dig deep enough.
Barry is no boxing great.
Plenty of holes to pick in Mr Tapout as well!!
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2017, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 28, 2017, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
He avoided Azumah Nelson so much that all his titles are tainted in my eyes. He picked off the easier belt and boxed a few journeymen like Taylor before getting stung in Vegas.
You can pick holes in anyone's achievements if you dig deep enough.
Barry is no boxing great.
Plenty of holes to pick in Mr Tapout as well!!
Correct.
What McGregor has caught onto is the hype required to get people to part with their hard earned cash. It's as blunt as that.
He used to be funny and entertaining with the lines about red panties and so forth, but the material is running thin on the run up to this circus with Mayfeather in Vegas.
Fair play to him from breaking from the norm and he's a fantastic and dedicated athlete who's made the sacrifices to get himself into this position. Credit has to go where its due.
Quote from: johnneycool on July 28, 2017, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2017, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 28, 2017, 09:33:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
He avoided Azumah Nelson so much that all his titles are tainted in my eyes. He picked off the easier belt and boxed a few journeymen like Taylor before getting stung in Vegas.
You can pick holes in anyone's achievements if you dig deep enough.
Barry is no boxing great.
Plenty of holes to pick in Mr Tapout as well!!
Correct.
What McGregor has caught onto is the hype required to get people to part with their hard earned cash. It's as blunt as that.
He used to be funny and entertaining with the lines about red panties and so forth, but the material is running thin on the run up to this circus with Mayfeather in Vegas.
Fair play to him from breaking from the norm and he's a fantastic and dedicated athlete who's made the sacrifices to get himself into this position. Credit has to go where its due.
I think the issue with the Mayweather fight is that he is not allowed to talk about certain stuff hence the dialogue being scripted.
Quote from: gallsman on July 28, 2017, 08:57:14 AM
McGuigan's win against Pedroza was a far bigger victory than any of McGregor's.
Thats subjective. Both were dominant champions in their division but Aldo had only lost once whereas Pedroza was knocked out three times before he fought McGuigan. Aldo was also regarded as the pound for pound number 1 too.
Lads who use "Mr Tapout" to denigrate lads are completely ignorant of the sport. And while the sport is niche, it's probably understandable that lads know nothing about it, but still are happy to comment on it!
Tapping out against submisssion experts is exactly that same as getting knocked out by good punchers. It's no better or worse way to lose. Never seen a UFC card that didn't have at least one tapout.
While it happens, it's very rare to have undefeated fighters in UFC. There are no bouts to pad your record. Every fight McGregor has had, there's been experts tipping his opponent. The risk of losing is always there. The matchmaking in UFC is fantastic, no easy rides given which makes it so so much better than boxing. Look at a boxing undercard and the bulk of the bouts will have the fav at anything from 1/5 to 1/100.
As for fame, McGuigan at the peak of his powers was arguably more famous in Ireland than McGregor is now. But worldwide McGregor is miles ahead. While Collins, Dunne and Frampton all had terrific achievements I don't think any caught the imagaination of the Irish public like McGuigan did.
As for achievement, I would put an Olympic Gold Medal in women's boxing on a par with an undisputed world title in UFC. I think McGregor is probably ahead of Katie now with a second title at a different weight. Katie would get back on terms with a world professional title (assuming McGregor is comprehensively beaten by Floyd as expected).
Not sure how to rate men's boxing vs UFC. The additional depth in men's boxing is diluted by the fact its spread over more weight classes and the myriad of "world" titles.
Wiki says there are currently 74 world boxing champions with the main bodies (WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO) across 17 weight divisions. While it says there are 9 world UFC champions across 8 divisions.
It's possible to cleverly manage a good prospect into a world title fight without putting too much at risk. You couldn't do that in UFC. But I'd regard an undisputed world boxing champion as one of the best individual achievements in sport.
This is how I like my heroes . . . ::)
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/boxing/floyd-mayweathers-ex-releases-statement-on-conor-mcgregors-recent-trolling-131815
Any chance either of them might have a fall in the shower before the fight and avoid any embarrassment?
Brock Lesnar Vs Jon Jones already better than Mayweather Vs McGregor!!! I can't lie...only PPV I would ever pay for!!! :P
Quote from: screenexile on July 28, 2017, 01:23:17 PM
This is how I like my heroes . . . ::)
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/boxing/floyd-mayweathers-ex-releases-statement-on-conor-mcgregors-recent-trolling-131815
What sort of asshole would give money to these 2 tramps?
Leonard Ellerbe - Conor Mcgregor I have never seen anyone like him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YrFr-Z48hk
I see Paulie Malignaggi has thrown the toys out of the pram.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 04, 2017, 10:28:16 AM
I see Paulie Malignaggi has thrown the toys out of the pram.
Whats this over? Money?
Looks to me that he isn't happy with the pics being released from the camp. Is he embarrassed? Says he will reveal all later but is tweeting a lot in his defence to say he wasn't battered and he in fact won the sparring.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 04, 2017, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 04, 2017, 10:28:16 AM
I see Paulie Malignaggi has thrown the toys out of the pram.
Whats this over? Money?
publicity , they need at least one major story a day , big brother style
Yeah not happy with the pictures released and wants a full video of the sparring released after the fight. Pictures look like a knockdown but he said that wasn't the case. And he also said that he handled McGregor fine through the 12 rounds. Bearing in mind Sam Eggington took him out in 8 rounds 6 months ago that doesn't bode well for McGregor.
If Paulie won the sparring with a face like that I dread to think what CMcG looks like.
Paulie reckons they took him off a 12 hour flight and made him spar the next day with Dana & Ferrerita (sp) watching. This he felt was an attempt to embarrass him.
Loves the limelight so any attention is welcome as far as PM is concerned (could say the same about the 2 fighters I guess)
Not bad for a novice boxer.
i dont mind McGregor and think fair play to him for all he has done including brainwashing everyone into watching this farce.
i really hope either one gets knocked out in the first round, all this hype/shite for nothing.
Quote from: Megaman on August 04, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
i dont mind McGregor and think fair play to him for all he has done including brainwashing everyone into watching this farce.
i really hope either one gets knocked out in the first round, all this hype/shite for nothing.
You clearly mind a whole hell of a lot.
Quote from: Taylor on August 04, 2017, 11:20:12 AM
If Paulie won the sparring with a face like that I dread to think what CMcG looks like.
Paulie was wearing an open guard, McGregor a closed one. McGregor's team putting it out about how he doesn't have a mark on him and Paulie is cut up is laughable.
Quote from: square_ball on August 04, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
Bearing in mind Sam Eggington took him out in 8 rounds 6 months ago that doesn't bode well for McGregor.
Certainly not. Eggington would absolutely demolish McGregor in a few rounds.
Quote from: Syferus on August 04, 2017, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: Megaman on August 04, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
i dont mind McGregor and think fair play to him for all he has done including brainwashing everyone into watching this farce.
i really hope either one gets knocked out in the first round, all this hype/shite for nothing.
You clearly mind a whole hell of a lot.
Cleary how? i would go a s far as saying i like Mcgregor but think this fight is a farce. do i really care about it , NO.
Paulie still slabbering away. In fact, he's now the top promotor of this fight.
Pauline loves the limelight and is single handedly keeping media interest in this fight at the minute. I'd take everything that happens around this fight with a huge pinch of salt though.
i was chatting to a boxing guy last weekend who said this is like Tyson against Buster Douglas. In order for McGregor to have a shot, Mayweather would need to:
split with his wife
split with his manager
split with his long term trainer
slack off in training
(consume a bunch of recreational drugs???)
As always in boxing, there is a puncher's chance, but if Hatton can't lay a finger on Mayweather, what chance has McGregor?
Quote from: heganboy on August 08, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
i was chatting to a boxing guy last weekend who said this is like Tyson against Buster Douglas. In order for McGregor to have a shot, Mayweather would need to:
split with his wife
split with his manager
split with his long term trainer
slack off in training
(consume a bunch of recreational drugs???)
As always in boxing, there is a puncher's chance, but if Hatton can't lay a finger on Mayweather, what chance has McGregor?
because Joe Cortez wouldn't let Hatton work on the inside (as was expected)!
Quote from: JoG2 on August 08, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
Quote from: heganboy on August 08, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
i was chatting to a boxing guy last weekend who said this is like Tyson against Buster Douglas. In order for McGregor to have a shot, Mayweather would need to:
split with his wife
split with his manager
split with his long term trainer
slack off in training
(consume a bunch of recreational drugs???)
As always in boxing, there is a puncher's chance, but if Hatton can't lay a finger on Mayweather, what chance has McGregor?
because Joe Cortez wouldn't let Hatton work on the inside (as was expected)!
Plus Mayweather isn't as good as he was 10 years ago.
Before the photo/knockdown controversy, Malignaggi said the 12 rounds of sparring was quite competitive. He said McGregor came out strong and did well in the first 4 rounds. But Paulie said from round 5 on that he had figured him out and was in control. Then 11 and 12 McGregor came on very strong, maybe down to Paulie gassing as he wasn't prepared for a 12 rounder.
Considering many said McGregor couldnt even live with Irish professional boxers in his weight class, being competitive with Malignaggi might surprise some. He has been retired for the last 6 months and he's not in top shape (though more active than Mayweather in the last 2 years!), but has always been regarded as a top technician, and he's a former world champion. Of course, still a long long way short of Mayweather!
Anyone who pays to see this needs their head examined.
Quote from: heganboy on August 08, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
i was chatting to a boxing guy last weekend who said this is like Tyson against Buster Douglas. In order for McGregor to have a shot, Mayweather would need to:
split with his wife
split with his manager
split with his long term trainer
slack off in training
(consume a bunch of recreational drugs???)
As always in boxing, there is a puncher's chance, but if Hatton can't lay a finger on Mayweather, what chance has McGregor?
Mayweather is old McGregor can hit him if he has lost any of his elusiveness, that said he is going to embarrass the UFC and himself, Ibam sure the cash will soften the damage to his reputation after this farce.
Very interesting new ESPN piece on McGregor. Warts'n'all. A bit long and a bit americany, but worth a look when you have 10 minutes
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2017, 02:14:09 PM
Very interesting new ESPN piece on McGregor. Warts'n'all. A bit long and a bit americany, but worth a look when you have 10 minutes
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather
Yep, thats exactly how Dublin is ;D
Apart from the areas where the GAA have pumped millions into.
Bar the shite about the 'war' in Dublin its a well written piece
Quote from: Hound on August 08, 2017, 02:14:09 PM
Very interesting new ESPN piece on McGregor. Warts'n'all. A bit long and a bit americany, but worth a look when you have 10 minutes
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather
Read about half of it yesterday before tapping out, its utter drivel in large parts and therefore very difficult to read. Getting panned on twitter by Dubs.
Came across that article on Boards. All the McGregor fanboys praising it.
It makes Sheriff Street sound like Syria.
Wright Thompson is a very accomplished writer too.
Quote from: stew on August 08, 2017, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: heganboy on August 08, 2017, 12:10:57 AM
i was chatting to a boxing guy last weekend who said this is like Tyson against Buster Douglas. In order for McGregor to have a shot, Mayweather would need to:
split with his wife
split with his manager
split with his long term trainer
slack off in training
(consume a bunch of recreational drugs???)
As always in boxing, there is a puncher's chance, but if Hatton can't lay a finger on Mayweather, what chance has McGregor?
Mayweather is old McGregor can hit him if he has lost any of his elusiveness, that said he is going to embarrass the UFC and himself, Ibam sure the cash will soften the damage to his reputation after this farce.
THIS IS NOT A REAL FIGHT
The promo is straight out of the WWE play book
the result will depend completely on the what will bring the rematch the biggest sales and maybe a mcgregor V Malignaggi now they have serious beef afterward to suck up the last of the suckers remaining cash
Quote from: gallsman on August 08, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
Came across that article on Boards. All the McGregor fanboys praising it.
It makes Sheriff Street sound like Syria.
Wright Thompson is a very accomplished writer too.
It doesn't really make Sheriff St sound like Syria. It makes Sheriff St sound like Sheriff St.
I don't think the writer made anything up. Although no doubt some of the lads he talked to exaggerated.
The footage of Conor sparring with paulie will hardly have Floyd sweating too much
Wide round house swinging ,terrible looking technique ,Conor will be taking ten to land one going to be worse than expected I think.
Paulie is doing some serious whinging...
WATCH McGregor vs Malignaggi Sparring Footage RELEASED | KNOCKDOWN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaQxWZsX0hg
So 8oz gloves have now be approved for the fight. Does this really matter or is it just another slowly drip fed marketing ploy?
Marketing ploy more than anything I reckon. Mayweather has fought with 8oz gloves plenty of times.
So first we have Mayweather saying he is not the fighteer that he once was, then McGregore knocks 50 shades out of Malignaggi and now they announce 8oz gloves. You would nearly swear that it was a cleverly designed marketing ploy to make people think that McGregor has a chance of winning the fight. A pure pantomime.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
Marketing ploy more than anything I reckon. Mayweather has fought with 8oz gloves plenty of times.
Not at 154. 154 and above, 10oz gloves are mandatory. The decision to set that aside is really scandalous and sets a very bad precedent.
Quote from: gallsman on August 16, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 16, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
Marketing ploy more than anything I reckon. Mayweather has fought with 8oz gloves plenty of times.
Not at 154. 154 and above, 10oz gloves are mandatory. The decision to set that aside is really scandalous and sets a very bad precedent.
I know that but he has still fought plenty of times in 8oz gloves. I couldn't see them passing this in a normal title fight. Pantomime as Yellowcard says.
48 from 49 fights have been with 8oz gloves I thought I read on Twitter
Dreamt last night that Mayweather knocked him out in the very first flurry.
Then when McGregor got himself gathered they both agreed to go at it again without the gloves, MMA style.
Then I woke up.
Cool story.
Wonder what the early PPV figures are like. The stench of farce is getting stronger imo.
TBE admits he's a cherry picker?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1k_HB7hDWQ
I've got to go down - Money Mayweather ;D ;D ;D is he seeing himself losing to Mcgregor?? ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnW4TBK9gvM
Quote from: bennydorano on August 17, 2017, 12:19:13 PM
Wonder what the early PPV figures are like. The stench of farce is getting stronger imo.
Those figures would be interesting.
Expect a few more stunts this week to drum up a bit more business. Though the 2 boys are probably in dress rehearsals most of the week.
Where the viewers come from will also be interesting. A big turnout from UK and RoI could see showtime pick up on Mrs Brown's Boys. Would be good to see another Irish entrepreneur milk the demand for inanity
Numbers will be interesting. They're struggling to sell out all the tickets apparently and have started dropping some of the prices. It'll still sell out but might not beat the May-Pac gate.
Same for the PPV, early predictions had people saying it would break 6 million. I'm not sure it has a hope of doing that. Current record is May-Pac with 4.6m.
If it was on free to air to TV at a decent hour I'd watch it but I have absolutely no interest in sitting up into the early hours of the morning to watch it and I have even less interest in paying to watch this farce.
I haven´t gone through all this thread but I will nail my colors to the mast in terms of not being a major UFC fan, and a lapsed boxing fan.
The thing that I see mostly from purists is that the UFC is a serious threat to boxing and the accusations of it being WWE style hype is unfair considering some of the absolute stunts and crap boxing gets up to these days.
Surely McGregor can´t win, but if he does the fact that this event will give one of the best boxers of his generation one of his biggest pay day´s should be taken on board by the boxing powers that be.
Boxing is a bad state and they need to get their own shite together before they go sneering at UFC. Ironically if they took a leaf from UFC book´s and had one organisation and one belt at each weight it would bring back a lot of the glory, instead of putting so much filler on undercards.
Plenty of good fights coming up over the next while in boxing. I would say the UFC will have a rival organisation in the future. The money they pay their fighters is shite compared to what the fellas get in boxing.
The UFC is a private, for-profit organisation that is headed up by an absolute shower of gangsters who want all the riches that come with mainstream popularity but still want to cling onto the elements of the whole thing that have made them their riches in the first place - no Ali act, screwing over fighters on pay, expenses, insurance etc. It has an effective monopoly over all the best talent in the MMA world, one or two Bellator fights here and there. They have the ability to make the best matchups precisely because of how much they f**k over the fighters. They're also starting to have bullshit belts to help them sell PPVs.
Boxing is doing grand at the minute, some absolutely cracking fighter being made up and down the weight classes.
Is your man Al Haymon pretty much trying to tie boxing up a bit to have an overall view of what goes on, or to be more precise what he says goes.
To be honest I don't know much about the man, but he seems to be have been puppetmaster for a long time. Is that going down the UFC route in terms of control.
Eventually the UFC will get a breakaway. Jose Aldo was always very outspoken and it was mentioned he might lead a breakaway.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on August 19, 2017, 08:11:54 PM
Is your man Al Haymon pretty much trying to tie boxing up a bit to have an overall view of what goes on, or to be more precise what he says goes.
To be honest I don't know much about the man, but he seems to be have been puppetmaster for a long time. Is that going down the UFC route in terms of control.
Eventually the UFC will get a breakaway. Jose Aldo was always very outspoken and it was mentioned he might lead a breakaway.
Strikeforce in the past, Bellator now. Like hell is Aldo a big enough star to lead something. If Jon Jones and Conor McGregor decided to break away then you might have something.
Quote from: JimStynes on August 19, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
Plenty of good fights coming up over the next while in boxing. I would say the UFC will have a rival organisation in the future. The money they pay their fighters is shite compared to what the fellas get in boxing.
Maybe there is plenty of good fights coming up, but one thing for sure there's a helluva lot more utter dross coming up.
Gervonta Davis, one of the best young "world" champions is defending his belt on Saturday. and as very common, even though this is a world title defence, they've been able to hand pick an opponent who has no hope. Davis is 1/50 in a 2 horse race, in a world title bout!!!!
The last 4 lads who the Costa Rican no-hoper fought had the following Win-Loss records: 17-8, 6-16, 22-8, 10-20
Give that guy a title shot!! FFS
And anyone who knows boxing knows this type of farce is happening all the time.
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 19, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
Plenty of good fights coming up over the next while in boxing. I would say the UFC will have a rival organisation in the future. The money they pay their fighters is shite compared to what the fellas get in boxing.
Maybe there is plenty of good fights coming up, but one thing for sure there's a helluva lot more utter dross coming up.
Gervonta Davis, one of the best young "world" champions is defending his belt on Saturday. and as very common, even though this is a world title defence, they've been able to hand pick an opponent who has no hope. Davis is 1/50 in a 2 horse race, in a world title bout!!!!
The last 4 lads who the Costa Rican no-hoper fought had the following Win-Loss records: 17-8, 6-16, 22-8, 10-20
Give that guy a title shot!! FFS
And anyone who knows boxing knows this type of farce is happening all the time.
Exactly, you only have to look at Wilders last x amount of opponents. Or even Joshua fighting Pulev. Frampton fighting Guitierrez. Lots of crap fights where the best don't fight the best. Sure Frampton ducked Rigondeaux for years (so has everyone else). Sure isn't Crawford only the first undisputed champion in 11 years across all weights?
If you even look at the official rankings across the 4 main bodies it gives you an idea of how bad/useless they are. Off hand, Callum Smith number 1 ranked WBC contender and isn't even in the other 3 organisations top 20s at SM. The WBC don't have Kovalev in top 20 LHs. Loads of other examples.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 19, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
Plenty of good fights coming up over the next while in boxing. I would say the UFC will have a rival organisation in the future. The money they pay their fighters is shite compared to what the fellas get in boxing.
Maybe there is plenty of good fights coming up, but one thing for sure there's a helluva lot more utter dross coming up.
Gervonta Davis, one of the best young "world" champions is defending his belt on Saturday. and as very common, even though this is a world title defence, they've been able to hand pick an opponent who has no hope. Davis is 1/50 in a 2 horse race, in a world title bout!!!!
The last 4 lads who the Costa Rican no-hoper fought had the following Win-Loss records: 17-8, 6-16, 22-8, 10-20
Give that guy a title shot!! FFS
And anyone who knows boxing knows this type of farce is happening all the time.
Exactly, you only have to look at Wilders last x amount of opponents. Or even Joshua fighting Pulev. Frampton fighting Guitierrez. Lots of crap fights where the best don't fight the best. Sure Frampton ducked Rigondeaux for years (so has everyone else). Sure isn't Crawford only the first undisputeed champion in 11 years across all weights?
If you even look at the official rankings across the 4 main bodies it gives you an idea of how bad/useless they are. Off hand, Callum Smith number 1 ranked WBC contender and isn't even in the other 3 organisations top 20s at SM. The WBC don't have Kovalev in top 20 LHs. Loads of other examples.
I agree with all of this but I genuinely think boxing has woken up to this and is beginning to realise that it has to make the best fight each other more often as it is losing its appeal in a modern world with so many alternatives for people. Off the top of my head, in recent months and in the months to come we have or had Joshua v Klitchko, Frampton v Santa Cruz x 2, Ward v Kovalev x 2, Canelo v GGG, De Gale v Jack (unification bout), Rigo v Lomachenko (hopefully) and the development of the Super 8 competition at two weight groups. There's a long way to go to sort out the pathetic undercards but I think we are seeing a bit of a shift in boxing at the minute. Hopefully it will continue.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 22, 2017, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 22, 2017, 01:13:47 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 22, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 19, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
Plenty of good fights coming up over the next while in boxing. I would say the UFC will have a rival organisation in the future. The money they pay their fighters is shite compared to what the fellas get in boxing.
Maybe there is plenty of good fights coming up, but one thing for sure there's a helluva lot more utter dross coming up.
Gervonta Davis, one of the best young "world" champions is defending his belt on Saturday. and as very common, even though this is a world title defence, they've been able to hand pick an opponent who has no hope. Davis is 1/50 in a 2 horse race, in a world title bout!!!!
The last 4 lads who the Costa Rican no-hoper fought had the following Win-Loss records: 17-8, 6-16, 22-8, 10-20
Give that guy a title shot!! FFS
And anyone who knows boxing knows this type of farce is happening all the time.
Exactly, you only have to look at Wilders last x amount of opponents. Or even Joshua fighting Pulev. Frampton fighting Guitierrez. Lots of crap fights where the best don't fight the best. Sure Frampton ducked Rigondeaux for years (so has everyone else). Sure isn't Crawford only the first undisputeed champion in 11 years across all weights?
If you even look at the official rankings across the 4 main bodies it gives you an idea of how bad/useless they are. Off hand, Callum Smith number 1 ranked WBC contender and isn't even in the other 3 organisations top 20s at SM. The WBC don't have Kovalev in top 20 LHs. Loads of other examples.
I agree with all of this but I genuinely think boxing has woken up to this and is beginning to realise that it has to make the best fight each other more often as it is losing its appeal in a modern world with so many alternatives for people. Off the top of my head, in recent months and in the months to come we have or had Joshua v Klitchko, Frampton v Santa Cruz x 2, Ward v Kovalev x 2, Canelo v GGG, De Gale v Jack (unification bout), Rigo v Lomachenko (hopefully) and the development of the Super 8 competition at two weight groups. There's a long way to go to sort out the pathetic undercards but I think we are seeing a bit of a shift in boxing at the minute. Hopefully it will continue.
You're definitely right, the past year has seen some good match ups with a few of them still to be fought. GGG Alvarez should be unbelievable, can't see it not living up to expectation as both will come forward. Just hope that Alvarezs stalling won't benefit him as GGG didn't look himself in his last fight, but then again Alvarez won't move like Jacobs and won't weigh what he did either.
Apologies if silly question but do you need a sky subscription to get sky box office?
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if this is fixed so they can go again
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 22, 2017, 03:06:43 PM
Apologies if silly question but do you need a sky subscription to get sky box office?
No, but I also didn't know that until today either. I saw an ad on SkySports earlier saying you could watch without being a sky subscriber either online www.skysports.com/boxofficelive (I think) or by downloading sky boxoffice app and watching on phone/tablet.
Can I also be the 1st to say to pay is to fail ;)
Quote from: Boycey on August 22, 2017, 04:00:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on August 22, 2017, 03:06:43 PM
Apologies if silly question but do you need a sky subscription to get sky box office?
No, but I also didn't know that until today either. I saw an ad on SkySports earlier saying you could watch without being a sky subscriber either online www.skysports.com/boxoffice (I think) or by downloading sky boxoffice app and watching on phone/tablet.
Can I also be the 1st to say to pay is to fail ;)
Haha I've cleaned them over Game of Thrones. Tho if I can get a good stream ;)
Quote from: Minder on August 22, 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if this is fixed so they can go again
If you have a Now TV Box, download the Sky Box Office App. That's if you want to pay for it...
Malinaggi has really proven himself to be a total idiot this past few weeks. This latest stunt suggesting he was in McGregors camp spying for Mayweather is utterly pathetic.
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/mayweather-vs-mcgregor/gbrennan/watch-mayweather-claims-he-sent-his-friend-paulie-into-the-mcgregor-camp/
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
Malinaggi has really proven himself to be a total idiot thus past few weeks. This latest stunt suggesting he was in McGregors camp spying for Mayweather is utterly pathetic.
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/mayweather-vs-mcgregor/gbrennan/watch-mayweather-claims-he-sent-his-friend-paulie-into-the-mcgregor-camp/
The whole thing is a circus and hell what's a circus without a clown . Paulie doing that here and hoping to monetise .
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 25, 2017, 11:41:27 AM
Malinaggi has really proven himself to be a total idiot this past few weeks. This latest stunt suggesting he was in McGregors camp spying for Mayweather is utterly pathetic.
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/mayweather-vs-mcgregor/gbrennan/watch-mayweather-claims-he-sent-his-friend-paulie-into-the-mcgregor-camp/
Turning into a complete WWE circus with this nonsense & Paulie the pawn. Idiot.
He is doing anything he can to stay in the limelight
What's the chances of getting this on Mobdro? I don't see any link to box office channels.
I cant believe I am asking this. But is there any merit to the possibility of a McGregor KO. Would love to see it.
McGregor KOs the boxer or is KOed?
McGregor knocking FM out
Quote from: HiMucker on August 25, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
McGregor knocking FM out
That's what's going to happen. 4th round
Kind of intrigued by this:
where is the confidence coming from for McG?
He is fighting the Ultimate Pro boxer who made a career of avoiding getting hit by better faster technically more skillful boxers than McG will ever be.
Is it looking for that fairy tale that FM Jr sticks his chin out for McG to put one on him?
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 25, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
What's the chances of getting this on Mobdro? I don't see any link to box office channels.
If Box office is on Mobdro it is streamed, not a permanent channel. It won't be in the 'Sports' section and is in 'Others' from the home page/Menu. Usually under the name 'Ch1'.
I would have a back up stream ready just in case.
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 25, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 25, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
What's the chances of getting this on Mobdro? I don't see any link to box office channels.
If Box office is on Mobdro it is streamed, not a permanent channel. It won't be in the 'Sports' section and is in 'Others' from the home page/Menu. Usually under the name 'Ch1'.
I would have a back up stream ready just in case.
Just pay the 20 quid your tight hurs. That streaming craic is balls, jumping from one stream to the next, trying to find websites, pop up galore, blurry picture. Some miserable c***ts about. Pay the £20
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 25, 2017, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on August 25, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
What's the chances of getting this on Mobdro? I don't see any link to box office channels.
If Box office is on Mobdro it is streamed, not a permanent channel. It won't be in the 'Sports' section and is in 'Others' from the home page/Menu. Usually under the name 'Ch1'.
I would have a back up stream ready just in case.
Cheers for the advice
Btw, fight scheduled to start at 4am.
Words of wisdom from the Great Chris Eubank Senior...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerZ-jO_Cv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcCi3yvkQ2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhK9pIlsTG8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMemVOMw7YI
I didn't know Chris Eubank posted here
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
Kind of intrigued by this:
where is the confidence coming from for McG?
He is fighting the Ultimate Pro boxer who made a career of avoiding getting hit by better faster technically more skillful boxers than McG will ever be.
Is it looking for that fairy tale that FM Jr sticks his chin out for McG to put one on him?
It's fixed
I would say the two of them are laughing their balls off behind the scenes
If McGregor thought he had *any* chance he would have had a few warm up fights, but if he fought anyone, even a journeyman, he would be defeated & then obviously no fight of the century of whatever shite they are calling it
Quote from: hardstation on August 25, 2017, 10:29:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 25, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 25, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
Kind of intrigued by this:
where is the confidence coming from for McG?
He is fighting the Ultimate Pro boxer who made a career of avoiding getting hit by better faster technically more skillful boxers than McG will ever be.
Is it looking for that fairy tale that FM Jr sticks his chin out for McG to put one on him?
It's fixed
You kinda don't wannabe a conspiracy theory dick on this but if Mayweather isn't punching the head off a non-boxer, you'd have to wonder.
Do you actually know what type of boxer Mayweather is?
This will probably go on a lot longer than some people here seem to think it will. Floyd hits like a woman, which is quite ironic..
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 11:06:40 PMFloyd hits like a woman, which is quite ironic..
Lol. Ridiculous statement.
Syf making a balloon of himself again.
Mayweather sponsored by Paddy Power, interesting...
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 11:06:40 PMFloyd hits like a woman, which is quite ironic..
LOL you hit it on the nail there. Floyd is just a boring runner and fight like a b**tch. It's like boxing is just about countering/defending punches and going all 12 rounds :-* I think they call it the Sweet Science? More like watching paint dry :/
How will Mcgregor put on 15 odd lbs in a day?
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
Quote from: gawa316 on August 25, 2017, 11:56:53 PM
How will Mcgregor put on 15 odd lbs in a day?
Drinking water.
He's not really putting weight on. To make weight, fighters "cut" water. He'll have started reducing his water intake daily from late Monday or so and pretty much cut it out for the last day/day and a half. Nothing more than sips today.
It's much more extreme in MMA, which has inherited a lot of bad habits from American collegiate wrestling on this front, than boxing.
Quote from: Minder on August 26, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
Katie's da.
Quote from: Medic on August 25, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 11:06:40 PMFloyd hits like a woman, which is quite ironic..
LOL you hit it on the nail there. Floyd is just a boring runner and fight like a b**tch. It's like boxing is just about countering/defending punches and going all 12 rounds :-* I think they call it the Sweet Science? More like watching paint dry :/
Grow up ffs.
Quote from: Minder on August 26, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
McGregor will do well to land a glove on Mayweather but the above tweet is utter bollocks. McGregor if nothing else is a committed professional and a huge competitor who has a certain level of boxing skill and is forensic in his preparation. His mindset and uttter willpower would demolish domestic Irish level boxers. The farce comes in the fact that he is fighting the most skilled boxer of our generation. The tweet is consistent with a boxing snob shitting himself that his coaching skills and his sport's reputation could possibly be tarnished by a novice to the game (which it won't). By the way, I believe Mayweather wins as easy as he wants but the snobbery of the boxing pundits and die hards is beginning to grate a little.
https://twitter.com/i/videos/901051560939012096? (https://twitter.com/i/videos/901051560939012096?)
Video of a crowd singing up the Ra in the T mobile. Tough life under the yoke of the Brits all those lads from Killiney on their J1s have had. Don't know which I despise more, these ones or the (also heavily in attendance this week) Dubs who can barely spell their own name never mind go to the north who sing it too.
There can only be one outcome tomorrow, Mc Gregor will give it his best shot but Mayweather's undoubted class will finish it in round 6!
Quote from: gallsman on August 26, 2017, 12:31:16 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 26, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
Katie's da.
Quote from: Medic on August 25, 2017, 11:39:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2017, 11:06:40 PMFloyd hits like a woman, which is quite ironic..
LOL you hit it on the nail there. Floyd is just a boring runner and fight like a b**tch. It's like boxing is just about countering/defending punches and going all 12 rounds :-* I think they call it the Sweet Science? More like watching paint dry :/
Grow up ffs.
::) ::) ::)
Mechant asks Mayweather why he is boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYA49V_P4qs
I just feel sorry for the people who paid $30,000 to go watch Floyd score points lol the point system is used in case that there is no TKO or KO not be exploited ::)
Utter Humiliation is a far greater danger than being knocked out. The skills deficit will be arse clenchingly obvious - as it would if it was an MMA fight.
Quote from: Medic on August 26, 2017, 01:44:21 AM
Mechant asks Mayweather why he is boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYA49V_P4qs
I just feel sorry for the people who paid $30,000 to go watch Floyd score points lol the point system is used in case that there is no TKO or KO not be exploited ::)
If you cant appreciate Mayweather as a boxer you haven't a clue. Period.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2017, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 26, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
McGregor will do well to land a glove on Mayweather but the above tweet is utter bollocks. McGregor if nothing else is a committed professional and a huge competitor who has a certain level of boxing skill and is forensic in his preparation. His mindset and uttter willpower would demolish domestic Irish level boxers. The farce comes in the fact that he is fighting the most skilled boxer of our generation. The tweet is consistent with a boxing snob shitting himself that his coaching skills and his sport's reputation could possibly be tarnished by a novice to the game (which it won't). By the way, I believe Mayweather wins as easy as he wants but the snobbery of the boxing pundits and die hards is beginning to grate a little.
Don't think it's snobbery. Conversely think you are doing a disservice to a lot of Irish boxers. McGregor might be fitter but of those who are fit "enough", the skill level is far more important. Stretching the point (just a little...) but Haile Gebressailasse would never get a run out for Kilkenny!
I must be the only Irish man hoping for a mayweather victory. McGregor is a gobshite!
Quote from: CiKe on August 26, 2017, 07:44:25 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 26, 2017, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 26, 2017, 12:19:17 AM
Just seen this on the twitter machine from a boxing coach in Bray, sums the whole farce up
@PeteTaylor01 Mayweather Vs McGregor... it's Mayweather for me let's be honest Conor wouldn't win the all Ireland elites @VincentHogan
McGregor will do well to land a glove on Mayweather but the above tweet is utter bollocks. McGregor if nothing else is a committed professional and a huge competitor who has a certain level of boxing skill and is forensic in his preparation. His mindset and uttter willpower would demolish domestic Irish level boxers. The farce comes in the fact that he is fighting the most skilled boxer of our generation. The tweet is consistent with a boxing snob shitting himself that his coaching skills and his sport's reputation could possibly be tarnished by a novice to the game (which it won't). By the way, I believe Mayweather wins as easy as he wants but the snobbery of the boxing pundits and die hards is beginning to grate a little.
Don't think it's snobbery. Conversely think you are doing a disservice to a lot of Irish boxers. McGregor might be fitter but of those who are fit "enough", the skill level is far more important. Stretching the point (just a little...) but Haile Gebressailasse would never get a run out for Kilkenny!
Don't get me wrong, I don't think McGregor has a chance if this is a fair boxing match but ffs I'm sick of people trying to outdo each other with their "it's like a darts player competing in an Olympic javelin event" comparisons too. The whole thing is ridiculous but I'm setting my alarm for 4am anyway! 😀
I'm a definite McGregor bandwagon jumper...first fight I say was against Mendes and loved the whole package ever since...Glad I'm not an expert in either sports and just looking forward to watch it with a few beers and if (massive if) McGregor wins great and if he loses, live will go on.
Looking at this from a cynical point of view... Could we be looking at a 3 fight series.. McGregor "wins" this one. Mayweather takes the second, setting up the decider. Two great men for marketing, putting on a show and making money!! Though this depends on much value Mayweather puts in his undefeated record.
Quote from: Estimator on August 26, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
Looking at this from a cynical point of view... Could we be looking at a 3 fight series.. McGregor "wins" this one. Mayweather takes the second, setting up the decider. Two great men for marketing, putting on a show and making money!! Though this depends on much value Mayweather puts in his undefeated record.
Nah, that is too Rocky like even for this! Speaking of Rocky I kinda wonder whether will be Mayweather wins easily enough but Conor comes out with credit. Mayweather wins the fight, McGregor wins the night?
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
I must be the only Irish man hoping for a mayweather victory. McGregor is a gobshite!
You certainly aren't the only one, loads can't stand him. Foul mouthed racist marches into the ring to The Foggy Dew and then wears a poppy...
Quote from: longballin on August 26, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
I must be the only Irish man hoping for a mayweather victory. McGregor is a gobshite!
You certainly aren't the only one, loads can't stand him. Foul mouthed racist marches into the ring to The Foggy Dew and then wears a poppy...
Not even close, the thing is, te wife beaters record will reflect a 50-0 record, becoming the best record ever even though he fought a man who had never fought a professional fight, that is a shame and a disgrace, I will watch this farce for free and hope they knock each other out, there will be drama tonight, I suspect something will happen that the fight game has never seen.
Quote from: Estimator on August 26, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
Looking at this from a cynical point of view... Could we be looking at a 3 fight series.. McGregor "wins" this one. Mayweather takes the second, setting up the decider. Two great men for marketing, putting on a show and making money!! Though this depends on much value Mayweather puts in his undefeated record.
Staaaapp one night of this dung is enough.
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on August 26, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
I must be the only Irish man hoping for a mayweather victory. McGregor is a gobshite!
You certainly aren't the only one, loads can't stand him. Foul mouthed racist marches into the ring to The Foggy Dew and then wears a poppy...
Not even close, the thing is, te wife beaters record will reflect a 50-0 record, becoming the best record ever even though he fought a man who had never fought a professional fight, that is a shame and a disgrace, I will watch this farce for free and hope they knock each other out, there will be drama tonight, I suspect something will happen that the fight game has never seen.
aye theyre well met the pair of them... the dregs
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: longballin on August 26, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
Quote from: urbangael on August 26, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
I must be the only Irish man hoping for a mayweather victory. McGregor is a gobshite!
You certainly aren't the only one, loads can't stand him. Foul mouthed racist marches into the ring to The Foggy Dew and then wears a poppy...
Not even close, the thing is, te wife beaters record will reflect a 50-0 record, becoming the best record ever even though he fought a man who had never fought a professional fight, that is a shame and a disgrace, I will watch this farce for free and hope they knock each other out, there will be drama tonight, I suspect something will happen that the fight game has never seen.
Mayweather's beating and embarrassing McGregor who then turns around and starts kicking, gouging and headbutting him, thereby living up to his "Notorious" name?
Quote from: CiKe on August 26, 2017, 07:40:16 AM
Quote from: Medic on August 26, 2017, 01:44:21 AM
Mechant asks Mayweather why he is boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYA49V_P4qs
I just feel sorry for the people who paid $30,000 to go watch Floyd score points lol the point system is used in case that there is no TKO or KO not be exploited ::)
If you cant appreciate Mayweather as a boxer you haven't a clue. Period.
I would pay big money to see Mayweather and Broner fight. Two of them doing shoulder rolls and too busy waiting to counter each other's counter punches would be so unreal!!
Please Floyd just KO him . And the rest of the world can get on with their lives
Quote from: Medic on August 26, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
Quote from: CiKe on August 26, 2017, 07:40:16 AM
Quote from: Medic on August 26, 2017, 01:44:21 AM
Mechant asks Mayweather why he is boring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYA49V_P4qs
I just feel sorry for the people who paid $30,000 to go watch Floyd score points lol the point system is used in case that there is no TKO or KO not be exploited ::)
If you cant appreciate Mayweather as a boxer you haven't a clue. Period.
I would pay big money to see Mayweather and Broner fight. Two of them doing shoulder rolls and too busy waiting to counter each other's counter punches would be so unreal!!
I get that you don't think he is the most exciting fighter and I agree. Watch Gatti, Morales, Barrera etc for that. However if you can't acknowledge his genius inside the ring then you have no appreciation of boxing whatsoever.
m.soundcloud.com/singinglifter/episode-3-carbs-and-fats-are
Well worth a listen to. This guy knows his stuff
Mayweather gets $300 for 36 minutes. McGregor gets $100. It is like the era of Nero.
Always disliked Mayweather who avoided certain fighters until they were on the slide then he fight them when he sure he win, but McGregor if he could mange it is a bigger p***k, hope it goes the distance, as it will show this farce up for what it is, a money making exercise and an embarrassment to professional fighters who train years and Johnny comes lately with no boxing experience get to fight a boxing legend who will make a fool of him, to make a undefeated 50-0 all for money, plus all us idiots who probably watch this circus.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 26, 2017, 06:17:36 PM
Always disliked Mayweather who avoided certain fighters until they were on the slide then he fight them when he sure he win, but McGregor if he could mange it is a bigger p***k, hope it goes the distance, as it will show this farce up for what it is, a money making exercise and an embarrassment to professional fighters who train years and Johnny comes lately with no boxing experience get to fight a boxing legend who will make a fool of him, to make a undefeated 50-0 all for money, plus all us idiots who probably watch this circus.
Total pantomime and I just can't believe there are people out there stupid enough to pay for this crap.
Quote from: lenny on August 26, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 26, 2017, 06:17:36 PM
Always disliked Mayweather who avoided certain fighters until they were on the slide then he fight them when he sure he win, but McGregor if he could mange it is a bigger p***k, hope it goes the distance, as it will show this farce up for what it is, a money making exercise and an embarrassment to professional fighters who train years and Johnny comes lately with no boxing experience get to fight a boxing legend who will make a fool of him, to make a undefeated 50-0 all for money, plus all us idiots who probably watch this circus.
Total pantomime and I just can't believe there are people out there stupid enough to pay for this crap.
+1
Cant wait. I just wish now i had made the trip to vegas, looks like everyone having a good time. If Mc Gregor can rattle him early he may stand some chance but i feel mayweather defense will be to good for Notorious.
Quote from: lenny on August 26, 2017, 06:28:52 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 26, 2017, 06:17:36 PM
Always disliked Mayweather who avoided certain fighters until they were on the slide then he fight them when he sure he win, but McGregor if he could mange it is a bigger p***k, hope it goes the distance, as it will show this farce up for what it is, a money making exercise and an embarrassment to professional fighters who train years and Johnny comes lately with no boxing experience get to fight a boxing legend who will make a fool of him, to make a undefeated 50-0 all for money, plus all us idiots who probably watch this circus.
Total pantomime and I just can't believe there are people out there stupid enough to pay for this crap.
I totally get what you're saying however for a nation that voted Donald Trump as its president, it does not surprise me in the slightest. If it was free to view and on at a respectable hour I'd tune in for curiosity but beyond that I have no interest and will be glad when the media circus comes to a halt.
Is this bollocks not over yet? Jaysus I'm sick of hearing about that McGregor p***k!
This thread has been the most laughable part of the whole build-up. So-not-interested-yet-so-clearly-interested.
I'd be in 'I think it's a farce' camp but I'll freely admit I'll get up and watch it out of curiosity more than anything. As a long time boxing fan no part of logic makes me see how McGregor has a prayer but sure the history of sport is littered with unbeatables who were beaten..
28 pages of people going out of their way to say they are not watching it! Yeah right lads!!
I know a fella who's put £5k on a Mayweather win. Thanks but no thanks. I put £5 on a draw @ £40/1! ;D
Freddie Roach, Joe Rogan, Sugar Ray Leonard... analyze Mayweather vs McGregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peG0BygmpGk
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 26, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
I know a fella who's put £5k on a Mayweather win. Thanks but no thanks. I put £5 on a draw @ £40/1! ;D
I wonder what Milltown put his fiver on ???
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
28 pages of people going out of their way to say they are not watching it! Yeah right lads!!
Would 5am be time enough to be getting up?
I'd rather watch these 2 fight....
((Fight Me Now!!!)) Big Floyd Heated Wants To Beat Up Reporter With 49-1 Shirt EsNews Boxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_wPa2PiNuw
Quote from: laoislad on August 26, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
28 pages of people going out of their way to say they are not watching it! Yeah right lads!!
Would 5am be time enough to be getting up?
The are like the prods who all left the pubs on a certain sunday in September 2002 who suddenly had to go home an hour before we took the field against Kerry. )
Quote from: stew on August 26, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 26, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
28 pages of people going out of their way to say they are not watching it! Yeah right lads!!
Would 5am be time enough to be getting up?
The are like the prods who all left the pubs on a certain sunday in September 2002 who suddenly had to go home an hour before we took the field against Kerry. )
Maybe they marched down the Garvaghy Road? No better time!
Quote from: laoislad on August 26, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on August 26, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
28 pages of people going out of their way to say they are not watching it! Yeah right lads!!
Would 5am be time enough to be getting up?
you gotta be kidding... 5am be turning over for a second sleep
QuoteAlways disliked Mayweather who avoided certain fighters until they were on the slide then he fight them when he sure he win
Like that Saul Alvarez guy who is fighting GGG next week? ::)
If a boxer falls on the undercard and nobody sees it does it count on his record?
http://www.genti.stream/liverpool-live-stream.php
For everyone who "isn't watching" it.
Not sure why, but I really fancy a Corona now!
Stream not working.any others?
What. The. f**k
Didn't think this could get more crazy
First three rounds for McGregor.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:27:40 AM
First three rounds for McGregor.
He will be picked apart from here on in. Mayweather in cruise control
McGregor looks knackered already probably should have just gone for it in round 1
So McGregor can actually box! Shows what I know
3 rounds each?
McGregor looked in trouble in 7th. Last 4 to Mayweather
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2017, 05:34:09 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:27:40 AM
First three rounds for McGregor.
He will be picked apart from here on in. Mayweather in cruise control
Still waiting.
Even if McGregor loses he's proven pretty much everyone here wrong. I wonder who will be man enough to admit it?
Mayweather has connected a few times to an unguarded face with that straight right. Shows the power is not what it was, but if those keep landing...
Quote from: Boycey on August 26, 2017, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on August 26, 2017, 08:44:21 PM
I know a fella who's put £5k on a Mayweather win. Thanks but no thanks. I put £5 on a draw @ £40/1! ;D
I wonder what Milltown put his fiver on ???
Mayweather on points
This is getting interesting.
With 10 about to start you see McGregor tiring hard. Good start but defense is gone now.
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2017, 05:34:09 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:27:40 AM
First three rounds for McGregor.
He will be picked apart from here on in. Mayweather in cruise control
Still waiting.
Even if McGregor loses he's proven pretty much everyone here wrong. I wonder who will be man enough to admit it?
Sorry did Mayweather not give him a boxing lesson?? He took 3 rounds to figure him out then dominated pretty much as everyone expected!
Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2017, 05:55:54 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:42:47 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 27, 2017, 05:34:09 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:27:40 AM
First three rounds for McGregor.
He will be picked apart from here on in. Mayweather in cruise control
Still waiting.
Even if McGregor loses he's proven pretty much everyone here wrong. I wonder who will be man enough to admit it?
Sorry did Mayweather not give him a boxing lesson?? He took 3 rounds to figure him out then dominated pretty much as everyone expected!
Until the ninth round it was very competitive. Even the rounds Mayweather won weren't him outclassing McGregor by any massive degree. The difference only really showed itself when McGregor tired, not being used to the sheer length of championship boxing.
Fair play to McGregor he tried to make it a proper boxing contest on reflection he provably just needed to go beserk in the first round and hope for a knock out
Would disagree strongly with that statement. Outside of the last 2 minutes of the fight the rookie held his own superbly well. Mayweather leading off with the right was fun to watch. McGregor did so much better, night and day better than I expected. Writing on the wall at the end of 9 when he couldn't guard his head. Started 10 giving it a rattle, but the endurance and experience let him down in the end. Mayweathers defence as always difference. McGregor walks out head held high. Way more than I expected.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Ah stop. A 40 year old who came out of retirement was beating him to a pulp. It was never about anything other than big paydays for both.
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 06:00:49 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Ah stop. A 40 year old who came out of retirement was beating him to a pulp. It was never about anything other than big paydays for both.
That 40 year old will be remembered as perhaps the best pure boxer who has ever laced up.
Connor got taught a lesson in fight management. Mayweather was in complete control.
Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
He did very well, better than expected but there's no point pretending it was a close run ring.
McGregor swung for the fences a bit early and Floyd was cautious as he was facing a lad 20 lbs heavier than him. Then he started to do surgical work (the punch stats will show it) and finished it.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Cop the f**k on would you. It was shite.... no contest at all. If it was for an actual belt we would be calling this out as mayweather avoiding a fighter of quality yet again.
Quote from: on the sideline on August 27, 2017, 06:16:44 AM
Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
He was done. He wasn't protecting himself and he wasn't throwing any punches of his own. Nothing wrong with the stoppage at all.
Quote from: on the sideline on August 27, 2017, 06:16:44 AM
Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
McGregor won the first 2 the 3rd could of gone either way but the rest were Mayweathers
Imagine McGregor in with Canelo and those boys! They would kill him. Mayweather was the best person he could fight. Get outclassed but not knocked cold and go away with 100m in the bank. Fair played to him. I will miss watching Mayweather in the ring, he's a boxing genius. Complete p***k outside of it though.
Quote from: gallsman on August 27, 2017, 06:19:44 AM
Quote from: on the sideline on August 27, 2017, 06:16:44 AM
Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
He was done. He wasn't protecting himself and he wasn't throwing any punches of his own. Nothing wrong with the stoppage at all.
Good stoppage. Most people want to see the fight go until someone is out cold. But it was the right decision, McGregor had nothing left and was unable to defend himself properly.
Quote from: thebigfella on August 27, 2017, 06:18:31 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: NetNitrate on August 27, 2017, 05:52:33 AM
Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Cop the f**k on would you. It was shite.... no contest at all. If it was for an actual belt we would be calling this out as mayweather avoiding a fighter of quality yet again.
It wasn't for a belt, though? Pointless statement.
I've seen a hell of a lot less competive, less entertaining boxing matches then that. In fact nearly every other fight involving Mayweather was less watchable than that.
Ye lads who expected Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and tried to deride the fight for the last 12 months were sorely disappointed and now you're back-pedalling against stone cold reality. Good luck with that.
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Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Cop the f**k on would you. It was shite.... no contest at all. If it was for an actual belt we would be calling this out as mayweather avoiding a fighter of quality yet again.
It wasn't for a belt, though? Pointless statement.
I've seen a hell of a lot less competive, less entertaining boxing matches then that. In fact nearly every other fight involving Mayweather was less watchable than that.
Ye lads who expected Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and tried to deride the fight for the last 12 months were sorely disappointed and now you're back-pedalling against stone cold reality. Good luck with that.
No this is the pointless statement "Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. ". Anyone who "knows" a bit about boxing could tell you this was no contest. Mayweather never got out of first gear.
The most entertaining part of this was Mayweather admitting he is a member of the RA. So cop the f**k on would you please. We all rubbernecked this farse but let's not get carried away, it was a farse.
Brilliant entertainment. So the lad that never boxed before took it all the way to the 10th! Not bad, not bad at all. Ref stopped it at the right time, he was clearly fatigued.
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Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Cop the f**k on would you. It was shite.... no contest at all. If it was for an actual belt we would be calling this out as mayweather avoiding a fighter of quality yet again.
It wasn't for a belt, though? Pointless statement.
I've seen a hell of a lot less competive, less entertaining boxing matches then that. In fact nearly every other fight involving Mayweather was less watchable than that.
Ye lads who expected Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and tried to deride the fight for the last 12 months were sorely disappointed and now you're back-pedalling against stone cold reality. Good luck with that.
No this is the pointless statement "Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. ". Anyone who "knows" a bit about boxing could tell you this was no contest. Mayweather never got out of first gear.
The most entertaining part of this was Mayweather admitting he is a member of the RA. So cop the f**k on would you please. We all rubbernecked this farse but let's not get carried away, it was a farse.
Again, you're trying to colour what actually happened to suit your own preconceptions rather than judging it with even a vague attempt at impartiality. I did ask who would own up to being wrong, knowing full well most would just start reversing and making lame excuses to save face.
Mayweather looked quite slow and unsettled at points in the fight, even after the first three rounds. The biggest takeaways from tonight ares that McGregor is better boxer than people gave him credit for, and that Mayweather is 100% done after have as much trouble as he did tonight.
McGregor was given the first round on all 3 scorecards, the 2nd round by one judge otherwise every other round was given to Mayweather.
The first three rounds gave suspicions that fight was a work. Probably a rematch lined up now but MMA match instead of a boxing one.
Build it and they will come.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 27, 2017, 08:09:27 AM
The first three rounds gave suspicions that fight was a work. Probably a rematch lined up now but MMA match instead of a boxing one.
No rematch. PBF even said so. That was his last fight.
So McGregor saved face and got credit for lasting 10 rounds and Mayweather still has his unbeaten record..Its almost like it was supposed to happen like that...
Yeah seems it played out exactly how most thought it would. McGregor giving a half decent account of himself it the two rounds he had to win the fight as Mayweather sized him up then the boxer easily won the boxing contest. But sure everyone made a killing so back to the drawing room to come up with the next idea to hype the balls off for everyones cash. Top quality boxing hardly gets a look in these days.
Quote from: Syferus on August 27, 2017, 06:49:04 AM
Again, you're trying to colour what actually happened to suit your own preconceptions rather than judging it with even a vague attempt at impartiality.
The only one trying to do anything remotely resembling this is you.
Really enojoyed the build up and fight.
Ignoring the nonsense from the "world tour press conference", Conor came across really well in the All Access and Embedded preview shows. A super combination of being totally dedicated and hard working, and being a complete messer with great Irish wit (if you are judging his personality, these are the shows you should watch rather than the nonsense world tour stuff).
Some achievement for an Irishman to be involved in one of the biggest fights in history, and the first time him in a professional boxing ring. Amazing to have Ireland and Amhran na BhFiann front and centre. I don't know anything about Imelda May, but she nailed the national anthem!
Conor showed plenty of skills in the ring. The disappointing thing was his biggest weakness was his engine. Floyd never hurt him, but he was completley gassed. McGregor handled himself really well afterwards too. Gave an excellent interview and was disappointed that the ref didn't let him get knocked down as he admitted was inevitable. But the 8 count would likely have got him to the end of the round. (Correct decision by the ref IMO)
I think Conor showed enough that he gave 100% to boxing, he could well be comparable to a Bernard Dunne, Wayne McCullough, Carl Frampton, Barry McGuigan, Steve Collins. Definitely a world title in him, but also there'd be no chance that he'd be a pound-for-pound contender, never mind be anywhere close to one of the greatest of all time.
But MMA is where he gets the best out of his skills. So well done Conor, did Ireland proud in an albeit futile battle. Now back to the UFC!
Was crap, seen better effort from amateur fights....
But 100 million and an even bigger profile makes McGregor one of the most famous sports men in the world at the minute! So he's a winner, of sorts
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Was painful to watch in the end. Circus over.
Don't let what actually happened ruin your party or anything.
Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. McGregor could have been a serious boxer if he had concentrated on it.
Cop the f**k on would you. It was shite.... no contest at all. If it was for an actual belt we would be calling this out as mayweather avoiding a fighter of quality yet again.
It wasn't for a belt, though? Pointless statement.
I've seen a hell of a lot less competive, less entertaining boxing matches then that. In fact nearly every other fight involving Mayweather was less watchable than that.
Ye lads who expected Mayweather to make a fool of McGregor and tried to deride the fight for the last 12 months were sorely disappointed and now you're back-pedalling against stone cold reality. Good luck with that.
No this is the pointless statement "Really entertaining fight. Anyone who follows boxing could tell you that was quite a good fight. ". Anyone who "knows" a bit about boxing could tell you this was no contest. Mayweather never got out of first gear.
The most entertaining part of this was Mayweather admitting he is a member of the RA. So cop the f**k on would you please. We all rubbernecked this farse but let's not get carried away, it was a farse.
Again, you're trying to colour what actually happened to suit your own preconceptions rather than judging it with even a vague attempt at impartiality. I did ask who would own up to being wrong, knowing full well most would just start reversing and making lame excuses to save face.
Mayweather looked quite slow and unsettled at points in the fight, even after the first three rounds. The biggest takeaways from tonight ares that McGregor is better boxer than people gave him credit for, and that Mayweather is 100% done after have as much trouble as he did tonight.
How many beers did you have before the 'fight' ?
Enjoy boxing, know diddly about ufc, but was looking forward to how this played out on the night. Went halves with a friend as I didn't fancy the inevitable stress incurred with finding a decent stream. Tbh was fairly disappointed and there's little point in talking about the class difference, but the biggest disappointment was McGregors famous power. Like many I was hoping he'd rattle Mayweather and have him rocking, but outside the 1 uppercut, there was little else. From the 3rd round he was only throwing 'arm' punches as Froch described them ie no body weight behind them. Mcgregor though equitid himself very well all told and showed his respect for Mayweather straight after. Mayweather has serious fitness levels for a 40 year old.
Fight definitely stopped at the right time as McGregor, for all his bravery and warrior qualities was just unable to defend himself
A world title in him?! Catch yourself on.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2017, 09:30:50 AM
Really enojoyed the build up and fight.
Ignoring the nonsense from the "world tour press conference", Conor came across really well in the All Access and Embedded preview shows. A super combination of being totally dedicated and hard working, and being a complete messer with great Irish wit (if you are judging his personality, these are the shows you should watch rather than the nonsense world tour stuff).
Some achievement for an Irishman to be involved in one of the biggest fights in history, and the first time him in a professional boxing ring. Amazing to have Ireland and Amhran na BhFiann front and centre. I don't know anything about Imelda May, but she nailed the national anthem!
Conor showed plenty of skills in the ring. The disappointing thing was his biggest weakness was his engine. Floyd never hurt him, but he was completley gassed. McGregor handled himself really well afterwards too. Gave an excellent interview and was disappointed that the ref didn't let him get knocked down as he admitted was inevitable. But the 8 count would likely have got him to the end of the round. (Correct decision by the ref IMO)
I think Conor showed enough that he gave 100% to boxing, he could well be comparable to a Bernard Dunne, Wayne McCullough, Carl Frampton, Barry McGuigan, Steve Collins. Definitely a world title in him, but also there'd be no chance that he'd be a pound-for-pound contender, never mind be anywhere close to one of the greatest of all time.
But MMA is where he gets the best out of his skills. So well done Conor, did Ireland proud in an albeit futile battle. Now back to the UFC!
Mc Gregor would lose to any Olympic Irish amateur. It was a joke contest and floyd could have finished it after round 3 any time he wanted to . His fabled power reduced to diddly squat when wearing gloves .
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Was crap, seen better effort from amateur fights....
But 100 million and an even bigger profile makes McGregor one of the most famous sports men in the world at the minute! So he's a winner, of sorts
Thought his cut was 30m?
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Was crap, seen better effort from amateur fights....
But 100 million and an even bigger profile makes McGregor one of the most famous sports men in the world at the minute! So he's a winner, of sorts
Thought his cut was 30m?
I thought it was 200 million over all, he not get half? Well he'll not be happy for that 1+ mill per minute!
Aye fair play to the lad, talked the talk, could not walk the walk but still gets fully paid up. I think the most interesting aspect was to see if McGregor could not only box at a decent level but also at a level to beat a household name. By all accounts it was apparent after a couple of rounds that he was not going to win the contest with the predictable/ inevitable outcome.
But I suppose everyone entitled to spend their money as they like and if it was enjoyed by those who bought into it what is the harm.
Box at a decent level, seriously, that why there was no warm up fights before fighting Mayweather or films of his gym work, his boxing alot to be desired, nearly abit like the rocky film, stand there and get the head beat off him.
Had say earlier on this thread that this would go the distance as Mayweather didn't have knock out power and is 40 and hasnt fought in 2 years, didnt train that hard and most importantly only fights people he know he can beat.
This wasn't even close, Mayweather started with his usual defensive stance giving McGregor a couple of rounds at the start, but once he went on the attack, the difference between the 2 as expected was night and day, a farce and 1 sided contest as expected, i still think it brought shame to boxing that the boxing authorities okayed this fight, as all the greedy f**kers wanted was everyone money. Thought someone say McGregor was a hard hitter?
Probably see a photo now of both them on a bed laughing been showered in money, in the next few days
Manny would have loved this type of forward attack from Mayweather in his fight
Hell it was as on sided as Mayo mauling Roscommon
Exclusive Conor McGregor Interview after Floyd Mayweather fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGzGZR1YuP0
Not seen it yet but sounds like Conor acquitted himself about as well as expected. That said, from reading the comments here and elsewhere two things stand out
i) his power. Is it real or is it just he couldnt land anything clean on Mayweather?
ii) the notion of him being a supreme athlete seems to have been blown apart. Why did he gas so early?
If he didn't make a $100mn I think there would be serious questions asked of Kavanagh.
One-sided. 25 Euro down the swannie, direct to Rupert Murdoch.
sure he run out of steam fighting Diaz too, the dehydrating down process then jumping on the weight again doesn't work, Eubank used to do this and always run out of steam after the 8th round, Mayweather wasn't even sweating that hard
Is it back to the UFC now for McGregor or will he stick with the boxing?
McGregor did as well as he could have.
In terms of anyone criticising for not pacing himself I think that's a bit harsh. The guy has never had a pro boxing fight. Boxers that go pro (even if they've got an extensive amateur fight background) would never go into a 12 rounder for their first fight. Usually starting off with a four rounder and building up to 12 over over four or five fights.
McGregor's biggest achievement was talking himself into getting a shot.
Mayweather eclipsing Marciano's record will always be a bit tainted for me. Not a great way to achieve the record for him against a guy in his first pro fight but he is never going to turn down an easy lucrative pay day.
There was a bit of an outcry from many in the media about pros going in against amateurs for the Olympics on the basis it would be a mismatch. Never was the same outcry about this one, McGregor was able to get the same people to overlook that by convincing many that he had a chance. Fair play to him.
Still to boxing, excately who can he fight that he would beat, if he starting at a high level looking paydays? he got no defence, punching power maybe now in question too and not fit enough to go 12 rounds without running out of steam, its back to the UFC were maybe he fight the no1 rated fighter at his level and not a 5th ranked one like Diaz
Who did he convince he had a chance? maybe some idiots watching UFC flat out thought he had one but no body in the real world did.
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Not seen it yet but sounds like Conor acquitted himself about as well as expected. That said, from reading the comments here and elsewhere two things stand out
i) his power. Is it real or is it just he couldnt land anything clean on Mayweather?
ii) the notion of him being a supreme athlete seems to have been blown apart. Why did he gas so early?
If he didn't make a $100mn I think there would be serious questions asked of Kavanagh.
I'd trust the video a lot more than I would anything the people here who were proven quite wrong. McGregor acquitted himself better than almost all Mayweather challengers have in the past.
McGregor has never fought 12 championship rounds against a world class boxer. Him tiring had nothing to do with his athetcism or his conditioning, both of which were obviously of a very high level. Even boxers have to build up the experience and stamina to last 12 rounds.
Skip Bayless Reacts to Floyd Mayweather KO Conor McGregor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6S33r43mo
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Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
He was done. He wasn't protecting himself and he wasn't throwing any punches of his own. Nothing wrong with the stoppage at all.
Good stoppage. Most people want to see the fight go until someone is out cold. But it was the right decision, McGregor had nothing left and was unable to defend himself properly.
This interview is what I was talking about. Don't think there's anybody better placed to talk about it than the man himself. If John McCarthy took the same view as the ref last night he would have stopped the McGregor Diaz 2 fight in the third when McGregor looked gassed, but he knew the fighter and gave him a chance to continue, and look what happened from that point on.
I'm not saying McGregor was going to come back and win the fight, he may not even have got out of that round before Mayweather dropped him and that would have been that - we'll never know - but at that point when it was stopped, if you've seen McGregor fight before and like he says himself in this interview you'll know he goes like that, wobbly looking like he's done, that he can come through it and go again and it's not like he was taking any big shots or dmage at the stage where it was stopped. He clearly felt that was the case himself and like I said he's the one best placed to sum up the timing of the stoppage. Though with a referee unfamiliar with this aspect of McGregors tendency to go like this, you can also see why he felt it might have been time to step in. But fair play to him, talked himself into a multi million pound fight, acquitted himself very well and wasn't the embarrassment many people on here thought he was going to be.
http://www.benchwarmers.ie/bench/watch-full-mcgregor-post-fight-interview/138528/#.WaKksH_TXYV
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Can see McGregors complaint of that being stopped early. If you've watched any of his UFC fights that have gone the distance then his legs going isn't a new thing - but it doesn't mean he's done. Like he said look at the second Diaz fight. Maybe it wouldn't have lasted much longer after that or maybe he could have held out to the end of the round - remember Roddy told him to take the round off to save himself for a big finish. Either way he acquitted himself very well. Out of curiosity does anyone know the what the scores were up to that point?
He was done. He wasn't protecting himself and he wasn't throwing any punches of his own. Nothing wrong with the stoppage at all.
Good stoppage. Most people want to see the fight go until someone is out cold. But it was the right decision, McGregor had nothing left and was unable to defend himself properly.
This interview is what I was talking about. Don't think there's anybody better placed to talk about it than the man himself. If John McCarthy took the same view as the ref last night he would have stopped the McGregor Diaz 2 fight in the third when McGregor looked gassed, but he knew the fighter and gave him a chance to continue, and look what happened from that point on.
I'm not saying McGregor was going to come back and win the fight, he may not even have got out of that round before Mayweather dropped him and that would have been that - we'll never know - but at that point when it was stopped, if you've seen McGregor fight before and like he says himself in this interview you'll know he goes like that, wobbly looking like he's done, that he can come through it and go again and it's not like he was taking any big shots or dmage at the stage where it was stopped. He clearly felt that was the case himself and like I said he's the one best placed to sum up the timing of the stoppage. Though with a referee unfamiliar with this aspect of McGregors tendency to go like this, you can also see why he felt it might have been time to step in. But fair play to him, talked himself into a multi million pound fight, acquitted himself very well and wasn't the embarrassment many people on here thought he was going to be.
http://www.benchwarmers.ie/bench/watch-full-mcgregor-post-fight-interview/138528/#.WaKksH_TXYV
I felt it was obvious that the boxing ref was always blaming McGregor for hitting from behind when it was mainly Mayweather dropping the head or (bizarrely) turning his back to McGregor. There was even a point where McGregor rocked Mayweather legally but the ref stepped in and stole McGregor's momentum for reasons unknown. I think it was very hard to find a boxing ref who could officiate this fight without bringing preconceived baggage about McGregor.
acquitted himself very well ??
in what way getting the head beat off him??
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 27, 2017, 12:10:37 PM
Who did he convince he had a chance? maybe some idiots watching UFC flat out thought he had one but no body in the real world did.
There was more than a few idiots. The vast majority of money places on the fight was for McGregor. You could argue that was placed in hope rather than expectation.
The fact that fight got sanctioned rather than get dismissed as a ridiculous mismatch says he convinced influential people.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/world-reacts-to-floyd-mayweatherconor-mcgregor-megafight/news-story/72fd0ca69ca827f086d8f1f73a60a463
Always question punch stats these days. Particularly after the pacquiao vs horn bout which stats had pacquiao clearly winning but the below bit was interesting:
"McGregor's debut in the ring may have ended in heartbreak, but at least the Irishman has something to brag about.
McGregor's effort against Mayweather saw him land more successful punches than Manny Pacquiao in his superfight against the undefeated star in 2015.
McGregor sits behind only Canelo Alvarez for the most blows landed on the 40-year-old in his 50-fight history."
I doubt the above could be true.
Manny Pacquiao only wished Mayweather fought this way against him, Mayweather worked out very quick McGregor could not hurt him and changed his style and came forward respectively, so i wouldn't pay much heed to punch stats especially when most were taps
I would say it a brutal way to go 50-0 surpassing Rocky Marciano, but its widely accepted he himself got beat over in England in a fight probably an exhibition,way back near the start. Rocky Marciano by all accounts was a gentlemen, Mayweather only worried about himself and his money.
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I would say it a brutal way to go 50-0 surpassing Rocky Marciano, but its widely accepted he himself got beat over in England in a fight probably an exhibition,way back near the start. Rocky Marciano by all accounts was a gentlemen, Mayweather only worried about himself and his money.
Mayweather could have gone 50-0 two years ago if he wanted that record but sufficient money not on the table for anyone else. He doesn't care about 50-0 per se.
Quote from: Atticus_Finch on August 27, 2017, 12:07:41 PM
McGregor did as well as he could have.
In terms of anyone criticising for not pacing himself I think that's a bit harsh. The guy has never had a pro boxing fight. Boxers that go pro (even if they've got an extensive amateur fight background) would never go into a 12 rounder for their first fight. Usually starting off with a four rounder and building up to 12 over over four or five fights.
McGregor's biggest achievement was talking himself into getting a shot.
Mayweather eclipsing Marciano's record will always be a bit tainted for me. Not a great way to achieve the record for him against a guy in his first pro fight but he is never going to turn down an easy lucrative pay day.
There was a bit of an outcry from many in the media about pros going in against amateurs for the Olympics on the basis it would be a mismatch. Never was the same outcry about this one, McGregor was able to get the same people to overlook that by convincing many that he had a chance. Fair play to him.
I'm not criticising him for not pacing himself rather for not having the stamina to go anywhere near 12 rounds. Not sure is harsh, there was all this talk about what a dedicated trainer he was, never seen anyone work so hard, forensic in his attention to detail etc.
Turns out that would appear to be complete bullshit (or hype, whatever way you want to look at it) and I don't buy the argument that new pros build through 4,6,8 round fights etc. While true MCGregor has 20 + pro fights and should be in his prime.
The man has his name on a $300 conditioning program. He started blowing heavily at the end of the second and was visibly tiring in the third. Whatever about criticising pacing, that is disgracefully early to be gassing out for an elite athlete like him.
What with the Tyrone game yesterday I haven't had time to think about this fight. Having only watched it live and not any reruns yer, my opinion was that McGregor looked way out of his depth. He did ok in rounds 1-3 but it was clear that Mayweather was letting him punch himself out, bar one uppercut, there was very little damage done on Mayweather. For me, from round 4 onwards it was one way traffic. Fair play to McGregor for sticking at it but he looked clumsy, his jab was feeble, he had no power left to throw the left hand and had no ability to tie Mayweather up in a clinch to buy himself some time. Perhaps he should have went down in round 10 to buy himself 10 seconds and who knows he might have seen out the fight but there's was only ever one winner.
Some of you guys really need to give it up. McGregor managed to con a fortune convincing people he could give Mayweather a fight. I watched it this morning ajd Mayweather could not have been more comfortable. Even the first two rounds that McGregor won Mayweather was fully in control of the situation. McGregor is a great show man but a boxer? Away and lie down. He never stood a chance and it was more one sided than the predictions.
McGregor looked no more a boxer than Big Daddy. Done alright for a couple of rounds but it was just a big pantomime and both he and Mayweather have the last laugh hoodwinking viewers into thinking this was anything but a con job.
FMW fought a different fight. He wanted to make a show of CMG. He didn't fight his normal defensive style of boxing - he openly admitted this. It wasn't much of a risk either bar a split second where that uppercut might have hurt him... he took more punches because he could. Taking more punches made it a scrap, made it more entertaining. He was in cruise control. He's still a bollox but.
CMG talked his way into the biggest fight of the year. There is so many great fights coming up within weeks and the world doesn't care because FMW and CMG stole the limelight. I paid for the PPV. I think he deserved it. HE's a great fighter, a great self-promoter and a great showman. His name is known all over the world and I'm proud of him.
6.5 million PPV buys for MayMac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2YRz8bS9zM
Tyson: Conor gets an 'A' for his performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw7zTP0Oc1Y
Yeah we'll see what the true number is soon enough. I wouldn't trust Dana's word at. 6.5 would be absolutely enormous. He's possibly referring to a global number.
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Yeah we'll see what the true number is soon enough. I wouldn't trust Dana's word at. 6.5 would be absolutely enormous. He's possibly referring to a global number.
ESPN saying that it did just over 4m, a good bit behind the 4.6m record for MayPac.
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Yeah we'll see what the true number is soon enough. I wouldn't trust Dana's word at. 6.5 would be absolutely enormous. He's possibly referring to a global number.
ESPN saying that it did just over 4m, a good bit behind the 4.6m record for MayPac.
Regardless of whether it's 4m or 6.5m it surely ranks as the biggest sporting con job of people of all time.
I'm not sure it was a con - 99% of people knew what they were buying!
Con job. Did you see that lad on the late late? Crazy talk.
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Con job. Did you see that lad on the late late? Crazy talk.
I heard McGregor's striking coach Owen Roddy was on it. What was he saying?
Ara just how he absolutely expected to win, and was devastated to lose all that stuff, as if McGregor actually had a chance. Perpetuating the story. Sure you could tell within seconds of the final whistle that mcgregor knew he hadn't a chance and was delighted with himself for 'lasting' 9 and a bit rounds.