Partitionist media

[Rois]

Tony

The leaders of the Catholic Church were some of the biggest public advocates of the GFA. Does that sit well with you?

[T Fearon]

I have no feelings either way.Just don't see point in striving for an unattainable United Ireland.

[seafoid]

It won't be long until unionists are in a minority. What will happen then?

Define long in this context?

According to the 2011 census


https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/protestantcatholic-gap-narrows-as-census-results-revealed-29004134.html
"The percentage of Catholics in the population was up to 45 while Protestant representation has fallen to 48% from the 2001 census."

The Protestant % falls by 100 basis points per decade. So in 2021 it should be 47.
If a no deal Brexit happens the NI economy will lose a lot of jobs  as it moves to a low wage kip.
So a nationalist majority could happen faster.
The trend is not the unionists' friend.

[T Fearon]

Without consent (subtext for general unionist consent) there will be no united Ireland.Besides the 26 counties has no long term track record of financial stability.

[BennyCake]

Without consent (subtext for general unionist consent) there will be no united Ireland.Besides the 26 counties has no long term track record of financial stability.

Who has?

[Rossfan]

In all of the Political talks from Sunningdale,Anglo Irish,Good Friday etc to resolve problems here a United Ireland was never once on the table.This is because both London and Dublin know it is not a viable option.

In 100 years, after willingly agreeing to partition,the South has never once seriously advocated for a United Ireland or even envisioned what one would look like.

Now the cultural differences between Northern and Southern Catholics are so great as to be virtually irreconcilable,even leaving unionists out of the equation.

Not one person on this Board today will see a United Ireland.Fact

That's a personal prediction NOT a FACT.

[seafoid]

In all of the Political talks from Sunningdale,Anglo Irish,Good Friday etc to resolve problems here a United Ireland was never once on the table.This is because both London and Dublin know it is not a viable option.

In all of the Political talks from Sunningdale,Anglo Irish,Good Friday etc to resolve problems here a United Ireland was never once on the table.This is because both London and Dublin know it is not a viable option.

In 100 years, after willingly agreeing to partition,the South has never once seriously advocated for a United Ireland or even envisioned what one would look like.

Now the cultural differences between Northern and Southern Catholics are so great as to be virtually irreconcilable,even leaving unionists out of the equation.

Not one person on this Board today will see a United Ireland.Fact

That's a personal prediction NOT a FACT.

Nobody in 1987 expected East Germany to collapse

[Lar Naparka]

The GFA was an attempt to put a lid on the Troubles. You can't have a final settlement in a polarised space that is 45:55 with the majority share falling by 1% a decade.

There is a lot of reluctance in the south to take on NI. The question is where this feeling comes from. Is it manufactured?  Is it unrelated to how the Southern media presents the 32 counties?

Hah?
I'd have thought a brainy lad like you would know the answer(s) without having to ask.
First and foremost, there's the very real probability that there would be an extreme, violent backlash from loyalist factions which would stand the GFA on its head.
The antagonism built up over centuries of mutual hostility won't fade away overnight.  There are very real fears that we'd have bombs going off on the streets of Dublin and other areas in the South once again. Up north, if the UDA/UVF extremists returned to violence, there is no question that the republican hard liners wouldn't follow suit.
The harsh reality is that if a referendum was held and the verdict was in favour of unification, the backlash would last for generations.
As well as that, there is a general perception down south that the Six can't exist without massive subsidies and if GB is no longer around to pony up the aid required, us poor friggers down here in this bollixed up land will have step in give them the wherewithal to keep on knocking lumps outa each other.
That last para might seem a bit tongue in cheek but there is no doubt that the general feeling persists that unification could result in devastation and general ruination for the Republic

[Syferus]

Letting the McGuiness, Adams and Paisley types just die off is a pretty good approach to avoiding violence, Lar.

[seafoid]

The GFA was an attempt to put a lid on the Troubles. You can't have a final settlement in a polarised space that is 45:55 with the majority share falling by 1% a decade.

There is a lot of reluctance in the south to take on NI. The question is where this feeling comes from. Is it manufactured?  Is it unrelated to how the Southern media presents the 32 counties?

Hah?
I'd have thought a brainy lad like you would know the answer(s) without having to ask.
First and foremost, there's the very real probability that there would be an extreme, violent backlash from loyalist factions which would stand the GFA on its head.
The antagonism built up over centuries of mutual hostility won't fade away overnight.  There are very real fears that we'd have bombs going off on the streets of Dublin and other areas in the South once again. Up north, if the UDA/UVF extremists returned to violence, there is no question that the republican hard liners wouldn't follow suit.
The harsh reality is that if a referendum was held and the verdict was in favour of unification, the backlash would last for generations.
As well as that, there is a general perception down south that the Six can't exist without massive subsidies and if GB is no longer around to pony up the aid required, us poor friggers down here in this bollixed up land will have step in give them the wherewithal to keep on knocking lumps outa each other.
That last para might seem a bit tongue in cheek but there is no doubt that the general feeling persists that unification could result in devastation and general ruination for the Republic

It would probably be cheaper than not regulating the banks. NI has been operating below it's potential for at least 50 years.

[Avondhu star]

I have no feelings either way.Just don't see point in striving for an unattainable United Ireland.

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Unattainable in the minds of people like you.

[LCohen]

I have no feelings either way.Just don't see point in striving for an unattainable United Ireland.

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Unattainable in the minds of people like you.

I think it's unattainable and I'm not like Tony in any way

[BennyCake]

Have a border poll in Britain, and problem solved.

I mean, what would be the aim of a loyalist terror campaign if Britain doesn't want them?

[michaelg]

Have a border poll in Britain, and problem solved.

I mean, what would be the aim of a loyalist terror campaign if Britain doesn't want them?

No precedent for this.  No vote for rest of UK re Scottish independence.

[Rossfan]

Ok chaps it's 2030 and,assuming the UK still exists  the British Sec of State holds a Referendum or plebiscite
Question
Do you wish Northern Ireland to
Remain in the UK
Unite with the RoI.

The latter gets 52%........
What happens next?