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seafoid

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2017, 03:17:17 PM »
On this day, 3 May 1921, the Government of Ireland Act 1920 partitioned of Ireland into two distinct jurisdictions, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland.

The Act of 1920 was intended to create two self-governing territories within Ireland, with both remaining within the United Kingdom. It also contained provisions for co-operation between the two territories and for the eventual reunification of Ireland. However, in 1922, following the War of Independence and the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the southern part became independent as the Irish Free State, while Northern Ireland exercised its option to remain in the United Kingdom.
"while Northern Ireland exercised its option to remain in the United Kingdom" doesn't give the full story.
Many people disagreed

That's copy and paste for you

Yep.  No point about here in sticking your own neck out to frame any facts. 

BTW, whether many disagreed or not makes no difference to the fact that N.Ireland decided to stay in the UK.  Just as 42% of the votes in the UK EU referendum were against the exit of the UK from the EU does not change the fact that the UK is exercising its option to leave the EU.
Remain was 48%

The point about NI is that it is a divided society . It's not a normal statelet.
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Owen Brannigan

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2017, 03:25:41 PM »
Sorry fixed it.  Still doesn't change the result.

N.Ireland is no more a divided society than Scotland based on religion and the referendum result, Wales in economic terms and England in racial terms.

Have you been to many parts of England recently.  It is incredibly divided society in so many ways.  The whole Brexit vote has highlighted the attitude to outsiders, immigrants, migrants, refugees, etc.  The little Englander attitude has hardened considerably.  Many large cities in the North are ghettoised on economic terms and on racial terms.  While other parts of the country are virtually untouched by immigration and migration.  The conservatives will win a landslide in the election but on a very small proportion of both the population and the electorate.  This further polarises and divides English society.

Take a few minutes to view the video of Tim Farron meeting a little Englander.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/03/tim-farron-confronted-by-angry-brexit-voter-video
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Re: On this day.
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2017, 11:21:58 PM »
On this day, 3 May 1921, the Government of Ireland Act 1920 partitioned of Ireland into two distinct jurisdictions, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland.

The Act of 1920 was intended to create two self-governing territories within Ireland, with both remaining within the United Kingdom. It also contained provisions for co-operation between the two territories and for the eventual reunification of Ireland. However, in 1922, following the War of Independence and the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the southern part became independent as the Irish Free State, while Northern Ireland exercised its option to remain in the United Kingdom.

The fact that partition was already in effect before the treaty is often forgotten

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« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2017, 11:43:31 PM »
On this day, 3 May 1921, the Government of Ireland Act 1920 partitioned of Ireland into two distinct jurisdictions, Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland.

The Act of 1920 was intended to create two self-governing territories within Ireland, with both remaining within the United Kingdom. It also contained provisions for co-operation between the two territories and for the eventual reunification of Ireland. However, in 1922, following the War of Independence and the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the southern part became independent as the Irish Free State, while Northern Ireland exercised its option to remain in the United Kingdom.

The fact that partition was already in effect before the treaty is often forgotten

That's the British for you. They rig the outcome before the talks.
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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2017, 07:02:00 PM »
One hundred years ago today, Sinn Féin (original authentic version) put up a prisoner for the the South Longford by-election, at the behest of Michael Collins, and won the election.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/all-changed-utterly-after-south-longford-byelection-100-years-ago-today-35694291.html

Apart from getting Joe McGuinness elected, Collins spent his time in Longford chatting up one Kitty Kiernan.
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« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2017, 07:08:09 PM »
One hundred years ago today, Sinn Féin (original authentic version) put up a prisoner for the the South Longford by-election, at the behest of Michael Collins, and won the election.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/all-changed-utterly-after-south-longford-byelection-100-years-ago-today-35694291.html

Apart from getting Joe McGuinness elected, Collins spent his time in Longford chatting up one Kitty Kiernan.
Did he Skype her from Frongoch?
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armaghniac

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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2017, 07:13:36 PM »
One hundred years ago today, Sinn Féin (original authentic version) put up a prisoner for the the South Longford by-election, at the behest of Michael Collins, and won the election.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/all-changed-utterly-after-south-longford-byelection-100-years-ago-today-35694291.html

Apart from getting Joe McGuinness elected, Collins spent his time in Longford chatting up one Kitty Kiernan.
Did he Skype her from Frongoch?

Of course not. Collins had many great qualities, being able to Skype women he hadn't met yet was not one of them.
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2017, 02:57:30 PM »
On this day, on 11 May 1985, the Bradford City fire disaster claimed the lives of 56 spectators and injured 265 others when a largely wooden stand caught fire from underneath at Valley Parade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_City_stadium_fire

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2017, 03:57:50 PM »
On this day, on 11 May 1985, the Bradford City fire disaster claimed the lives of 56 spectators and injured 265 others when a largely wooden stand caught fire from underneath at Valley Parade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_City_stadium_fire

And a chairman who was a bit of a pyromaniac!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher


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Re: On this day.
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2017, 11:38:49 PM »
On this day, 15th May 1974, the Ulster Workers Council strike began.

From Wiki:

The strike was called by unionists who were against the Sunningdale Agreement, which had been signed in December 1973. Specifically, the strikers opposed the sharing of political power with Irish nationalists, and the proposed role for the Republic of Ireland's government in running Northern Ireland

The strike was organised and overseen by the Ulster Workers' Council and Ulster Army Council, which were formed shortly after the Agreement's signing. Both of these groups included Ulster loyalist paramilitaries such as the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF). These groups helped to enforce the strike by blocking roads and intimidating workers. During the two-week strike, loyalist paramilitaries killed 39 civilians, of which 33 died in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

The strike succeeded in bringing down the power-sharing Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive. Responsibility for the government of Northern Ireland then reverted to the Parliament of the United Kingdom at Westminster under the arrangements for 'Direct Rule'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Workers%27_Council_strike

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« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2017, 12:09:31 AM »
On this day in 1997 Amazon went public if you invested 10k back then be worth $6.5 million now

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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2017, 01:41:35 PM »
On this day, 16th May 1943, the Nazis completed their suppression of the rising in Jewish ghetto in Warsaw after 28 days of fighting. The uprising was ended by the destruction of the Great Synagogue on this day. 13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising (some 6,000 among them were burnt alive or died from smoke inhalation). Of the remaining 50,000 residents, most were captured and shipped to concentration and extermination camps, in particular to Treblinka. The ghetto was razed to the ground and replaced by the Warsaw concentration camp.

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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2017, 03:23:24 PM »
On this day in 1997 Amazon went public if you invested 10k back then be worth $6.5 million now
Where's the time machine?. Some return.

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2017, 06:13:18 PM »
Lest we forget.

Friday 17 May 1974
Dublin and Monaghan Bombings; 33 People Killed
Day 3 of the UWC strike


33 civilians and an unborn child were killed in the Republic of Ireland as a result of a series of explosions when four car bombs were planted by Loyalist paramilitaries in Dublin and Monaghan. Approximately 258 people were also injured in the explosions. The death toll from the bombings was the largest in any single day of the conflict. No one was ever arrested or convicted of causing the explosions. On 15 July 1993 the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) claimed sole responsibility for carrying out the bomb attacks.

In Dublin three car bombs exploded, almost simultaneously at approximately 5.30pm, in Parnell Street, Talbot Street, and South Leinster Street. 23 men, women and children died in these explosions and 3 others died as a result of injuries over the following few days. Another car bomb exploded at approximately 7.00pm in North Road, Monaghan, killing 5 people initially with another 2 dying in the following weeks.

The first of the three Dublin bombs went off at approximately 5.28pm in Parnell Street. Eleven people died as a result of this explosion. The second of the Dublin bombs went off at approximately 5.30pm in Parnell Street. Fourteen people died in this explosion. The third bomb went off at approximately 5.32pm in South Leinster Street. Two people were killed in this explosion.

News of car bombs in Dublin and Monaghan raised tensions in Northern Ireland. Sammy Smyth, then press officer of both the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Workers' Council (UWC) Strike Committee, said, "I am very happy about the bombings in Dublin. There is a war with the Free State and now we are laughing at them."

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/dublin/chron.htm

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2017, 05:49:08 PM »
On this day, 1st June 1997, Prime Minister Tony Blair apologised to the people of Ireland for British actions during the 19th century Potato Famine.