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On this day.
« on: April 15, 2017, 05:39:43 PM »
On this day, 105 years ago, RMS Titanic sank with a loss of 1500 souls, including some of the wealthiest people in the world.
All because Harland and Wolff used grade 3 rivets instead of grade 4. 
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Re: On this day.
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2017, 06:20:23 PM »
15th April

On this day 28 years ago, 96 people died in the Hillsborough stadium before being robbed of their dignity by The Sun and South Yorkshire police.

I always remember it because I was in Portadown outside Jameson's shop on High Street where I was collecting a new pram for my daughter born two days earlier.  I had to wait for them to bring the pram out of a store and was listening with disbelief to the commentary on the car radio.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2017, 06:44:08 PM »
I listen to this podcast daily. Always some very interesting on this day stories on it.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/on-this-day-podcast/id1075327020?mt=2

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Re: On this day.
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2017, 07:30:36 PM »
On this day, 105 years ago, RMS Titanic sank with a loss of 1500 souls, including some of the wealthiest people in the world.
All because Harland and Wolff used grade 3 rivets instead of grade 4.

Not completely true
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2017, 07:35:45 PM »
North Korea today marking the 105th anniversary of their "Great Leader" Kim Il Sung.
HE and his dynasty a bit more lasting than the Titanic ;D.
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Re: On this day.
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2017, 08:27:53 PM »
On this day, 105 years ago, RMS Titanic sank with a loss of 1500 souls, including some of the wealthiest people in the world.
All because Harland and Wolff used grade 3 rivets instead of grade 4.

Not completely true

The rivets would have been OK if the ship had not a fire in the coal bunker and/or not sailed into an iceberg.

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2017, 08:36:17 PM »
The rivets would have been OK if the ship had not a fire in the coal bunker and/or not sailed into an iceberg.

The extent of the fire is open to debate. The point about the iceberg is well made though, if they had travelled a couple of knots more slowly, as conditions required,  the Titanic would have been unknown except as a footnote in the history of H&W.
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 08:37:54 PM »
The iceberg seems to be erased from history in some people's version of events.

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 08:49:11 PM »
The rivets would have been OK if the ship had not a fire in the coal bunker and/or not sailed into an iceberg.

The extent of the fire is open to debate. The point about the iceberg is well made though, if they had travelled a couple of knots more slowly, as conditions required,  the Titanic would have been unknown except as a footnote in the history of H&W.

Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2017, 09:45:42 PM »
Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls

As the middle child, the Titanic would not have been particularly remembered. It was only marginally larger than the Olympic due to a few small changes ot make it harder to sink, the old lags in the shipyard always reckoned the Olympic was the better ship (being the first). But the Olympic would not be much remembered either, outside H&W, had the Titanic not sank.
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2017, 10:30:55 PM »
Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls

As the middle child, the Titanic would not have been particularly remembered. It was only marginally larger than the Olympic due to a few small changes ot make it harder to sink, the old lags in the shipyard always reckoned the Olympic was the better ship (being the first). But the Olympic would not be much remembered either, outside H&W, had the Titanic not sank.

So it was the largest liner? And your bitterness is sad
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2017, 11:20:13 PM »
Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls

As the middle child, the Titanic would not have been particularly remembered. It was only marginally larger than the Olympic due to a few small changes ot make it harder to sink, the old lags in the shipyard always reckoned the Olympic was the better ship (being the first). But the Olympic would not be much remembered either, outside H&W, had the Titanic not sank.

So it was the largest liner? And your bitterness is sad

To be honest that's a pathetic response to a point well researched and put across.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2017, 11:30:28 PM »
Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls

As the middle child, the Titanic would not have been particularly remembered. It was only marginally larger than the Olympic due to a few small changes ot make it harder to sink, the old lags in the shipyard always reckoned the Olympic was the better ship (being the first). But the Olympic would not be much remembered either, outside H&W, had the Titanic not sank.

So it was the largest liner? And your bitterness is sad

To be honest that's a pathetic response to a point well researched and put across.

Was it not the biggest liner of its time when built?? His point is simple, he's belittling something that was some achievement for Harlands, his well researched point on the sinking of the ship was missing many other factors, but you failed to pull him on that too, armaghnaic would admit to being a bitter person anyways
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2017, 01:11:21 AM »
I can't see how bitterness enters into it. It was an Olympic class ship, these ships were indeed a huge achievement for H&W. All I said was that as the middle one Titanic would not be well known if it hadn't gone down as it did.
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2017, 02:11:59 AM »
Unknown as the biggest liner of its time...thousands of other unknown ships built in the yard, this wasn't one of them, irrespective of the sinking and loss of 1500 souls

As the middle child, the Titanic would not have been particularly remembered. It was only marginally larger than the Olympic due to a few small changes ot make it harder to sink, the old lags in the shipyard always reckoned the Olympic was the better ship (being the first). But the Olympic would not be much remembered either, outside H&W, had the Titanic not sank.

So it was the largest liner? And your bitterness is sad

To be honest that's a pathetic response to a point well researched and put across.

Was it not the biggest liner of its time when built?? His point is simple, he's belittling something that was some achievement for Harlands, his well researched point on the sinking of the ship was missing many other factors, but you failed to pull him on that too, armaghnaic would admit to being a bitter person anyways
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