How do Dublin GAA fend off interest from the AFL?
With the conveyor belt of talent coming through from Dublin, how do they fend off interest from professional AFL outfits? Rural counties have had up and coming stars head down under.
How come there was never an approach made for clifford?
Derry currently has three of its up and coming prospects aged 18,19&20 ie Brown, Mc Williams and young Tohill being courted by AFL. We're a small county.
So your question is very valid.
Quote from: tippabu on September 05, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
How come there was never an approach made for clifford?
He was approached?
James Madden from this year's Dublin U20 team has signed a two year contract with the Brisbane Lions.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2018-08-14/madden-signs-for-2019
Quote from: kerryforsam2018 on September 05, 2018, 09:21:09 PM
How do Dublin GAA fend off interest from the AFL?
With the conveyor belt of talent coming through from Dublin, how do they fend off interest from professional AFL outfits? Rural counties have had up and coming stars head down under.
The overall money package is very good with the Dubs and according to reports, they are all good humble characters with close family ties.
Tadhg Kennelly was already receiving criticism for poaching players such as O'Connor. Had he help take the great white hope Clifford away he would have risked upsetting not only Kerry GAA folk but the wider GAA public.
Its simple enough the Dubs dont have the raw talent that the scouts are after or have already been refined too far for football by the Dublin coaching system.
Most of theirs player have been conditioned from a young age to perform at the level they do within a system that they understand and are comfortable in.
The AFL scouts are looking for guys that have the raw talent that they can then condition to perform in a similar way
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on September 05, 2018, 10:33:15 PM
James Madden from this year's Dublin U20 team has signed a two year contract with the Brisbane Lions.
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2018-08-14/madden-signs-for-2019
Potentially a big loss but good luck to him.
Howard and Fenton probably got injured at exactly the right/wrong time between minor and U21 to miss the "opportunity". Not sure there's any other young Dub who would have attracted them. McCaffrey would have had no interest with his medical career ahead. Obviously Kilkenny went, but quickly found it wasn't for him (and he's not the only one that's happened to).
I'm sure Kerry must hemorrhaging loads of lads from the 5 in a row team ;)
But of course anyone with a brain knows it's individuals they're after, not teams. And talented individuals can come from any county.
Dublin did lose Jim Stynes, who could well have been the best player in the country had he stayed. The difference he would have made to the Dubs teams from the late 80s and through the 90s.....
Quote from: omaghjoe on September 06, 2018, 05:08:25 AM
Its simple enough the Dubs dont have the raw talent that the scouts are after or have already been refined too far for football by the Dublin coaching system.
Most of theirs player have been conditioned from a young age to perform at the level they do within a system that they understand and are comfortable in.
The AFL scouts are looking for guys that have the raw talent that they can then condition to perform in a similar way
My eyes are burning ! What a load of claptrap..you're AI final meltdown should have passed by now surely
Derry have also lost conor glass to hawthorne. Still hope he comes back at some point.
I would imagine its just tougher sell to a young Dublin lad than a player from a weaker county.
A talented young Dub is looking at almost guaranteed success and getting into a near professional setup with all the perks that comes along with being a Dublin footballer.
The same cant be said for a young lad from Derry or Laois * (insert mid tier county here ) and so an AFL career is more appealing by comparison
Dublin could just buy Australia.
Quote from: tippabu on September 05, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
How come there was never an approach made for clifford?
I heard he turned down offers - supposedly the main reason he didn't go was because both his parents were very against the idea.
Clifford would hate Aussie Rules.
Madden is a running machine.
That's the type of player they want.
When you are going for 5 in a row and the success seems to be continuing then its easy enough to stay and win trophies
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
When you are going for 5 in a row and the success seems to be continuing then its easy enough to stay and win trophies
Guaranteed part of history, life-time guarantee of fame and and the great opportunities that will come from that....easy to sell that over the limited chance of actually making it in Aussie rules.
Easy answer, keep paying them under the table.
How many GAA players have actually gone to Oz to play in the AFL? Is it really all that many?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:23:13 AM
How many GAA players have actually gone to Oz to play in the AFL? Is it really all that many?
When they tend to be the best prospects in counties it's more than you'd ever want going.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:23:13 AM
How many GAA players have actually gone to Oz to play in the AFL? Is it really all that many?
At the moment, the following are on senior lists in Oz.
Cillian McDaid (Carlton)
Ciaran Byrne (Carlton)
Conor McKenna (Essendon)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast Suns)
Zach Tuohy (Geelong)
Mark O'Connor (Geelong)
Conor Nash (Hawthorn)
Conor Glass (Hawthorn)
Daragh Joyce (St Kilda)
James Madden (Brisbane)
Colin O'Riordan (Sydney)
Have I missed anyone?
Kerry fighting back
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/stay-play-and-work-in-kerry-gaa-authorities-in-the-kingdom-produce-booklet-to-help-stave-off-lure-of-afl-clubs-37615255.html
Quote from: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:23:13 AM
How many GAA players have actually gone to Oz to play in the AFL? Is it really all that many?
At the moment, the following are on senior lists in Oz.
Cillian McDaid (Carlton)
Ciaran Byrne (Carlton)
Conor McKenna (Essendon)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast Suns)
Zach Tuohy (Geelong)
Mark O'Connor (Geelong)
Conor Nash (Hawthorn)
Conor Glass (Hawthorn)
Daragh Joyce (St Kilda)
James Madden (Brisbane)
Colin O'Riordan (Sydney)
Have I missed anyone?
Callum brown from derry away there last month, and anthony tohills lad although I dont know if he playing much football
Quote from: Jinxy on September 10, 2018, 08:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on September 10, 2018, 03:23:13 AM
How many GAA players have actually gone to Oz to play in the AFL? Is it really all that many?
At the moment, the following are on senior lists in Oz.
Cillian McDaid (Carlton)
Ciaran Byrne (Carlton)
Conor McKenna (Essendon)
Pearce Hanley (Gold Coast Suns)
Zach Tuohy (Geelong)
Mark O'Connor (Geelong)
Conor Nash (Hawthorn)
Conor Glass (Hawthorn)
Daragh Joyce (St Kilda)
James Madden (Brisbane)
Colin O'Riordan (Sydney)
Have I missed anyone?
McDaid has come home since.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
When you are going for 5 in a row and the success seems to be continuing then its easy enough to stay and win trophies
Guaranteed part of history, life-time guarantee of fame and and the great opportunities that will come from that....easy to sell that over the limited chance of actually making it in Aussie rules.
But imagine how many Dubs youngsters will never get the chance to represent Dublin? To make the best 15 in any county is a great achievement but in the capital city with a million population is something else.
Other thing with the Dubs is how many of their players even suit the Aussie Rules?? You're looking at Fenton, and he blossomed too late to be picked up. Other than him, only Paul Flynn stands out as being similar in athleticism to the other guys selected.
With Dublin having a huge pick, would they not benefit from having a B team in the NFL?
In a way, their success might actually put some players off the game. Even with Dublin clubs, the playing numbers seem to be mental. Players will piss off to other sports if they've no hope in hell of getting a game at club level, never mind county.
But is that not what we don't want? Are Dublin in need of having a B team to further showcase their talents. Can't help but think there are at least 30 more able county players in Dublin who could contribute to even more success for the Dubs, but won't get the chance because of the depth available already.
Realistic chance of Dublin a v Dublin b league final at some point
Divide the 1.3m population colossus into 4 County teams.
Quote from: markl121 on December 13, 2018, 07:32:41 PM
Realistic chance of Dublin a v Dublin b league final at some point
People that say this pretend like the people proposing the obvious - splitting Dublin - somehow didn't foresee this potential outcome, or that the idea is so unpalatable that it would be preferable to allow a totally broken system remain in place where everyone and their dog knows no one is going to beat Dublin and that if they do it will happen so rarely to have no benefit to the health of the sport.
People and players have given up on this sport at IC level in droves in recent years. The alarm bells are ringing everywhere but in Dublin clubhouses and Croke Park boardrooms.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2018, 09:11:40 PM
Divide the 1.3m population colossus into 4 County teams.
Dublin males 18-33 that play senior Gaelic football you mean.
Another Dublin thread.
One thing that will never happen is a Dublin split.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
When you are going for 5 in a row and the success seems to be continuing then its easy enough to stay and win trophies
Guaranteed part of history, life-time guarantee of fame and and the great opportunities that will come from that....easy to sell that over the limited chance of actually making it in Aussie rules.
With all due respect bc, they are guaranteed sweet FA!
Only the creme de la creme will ever get near the intercounty panel, never mind establishing a place on the senior side. With only one county board to cater for a population equal to that of a total of 15 other counties, the wastage of young players is shocking.
Any weekend there are probably 10,000 juveniles or more involved in club activities throughout the county but with only one senior side at the top of the pile, only an incredibly tiny percentage will continue playing football as far as senior club level, never mind making it to the county side.
All along the line, from, say, under eights to senior intercounty level, the drop off rate is shocking. Naturally, some will drift away to follow other interests or to go chasing women or whatever but the numbers forced out due to a lack of opportunity to play at a higher level as they get older, means that only a tiny percentage of those who come in at the bottom of this typical pyramid structure with make it to the top.
I'm not coat-trailing her, by the way. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that thousands of aspiring young Dubs will never get a chance to achieve their full potential. The Dublin club model is caters exclusively for the talented but that comes with a very hefty price tag.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 14, 2018, 07:43:34 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 07, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 07, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
When you are going for 5 in a row and the success seems to be continuing then its easy enough to stay and win trophies
Guaranteed part of history, life-time guarantee of fame and and the great opportunities that will come from that....easy to sell that over the limited chance of actually making it in Aussie rules.
With all due respect bc, they are guaranteed sweet FA!
Only the creme de la creme will ever get near the intercounty panel, never mind establishing a place on the senior side. With only one county board to cater for a population equal to that of a total of 15 other counties, the wastage of young players is shocking.
Any weekend there are probably 10,000 juveniles or more involved in club activities throughout the county but with only one senior side at the top of the pile, only an incredibly tiny percentage will continue playing football as far as senior club level, never mind making it to the county side.
All along the line, from, say, under eights to senior intercounty level, the drop off rate is shocking. Naturally, some will drift away to follow other interests or to go chasing women or whatever but the numbers forced out due to a lack of opportunity to play at a higher level as they get older, means that only a tiny percentage of those who come in at the bottom of this typical pyramid structure with make it to the top.
I'm not coat-trailing her, by the way. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce that thousands of aspiring young Dubs will never get a chance to achieve their full potential. The Dublin club model is caters exclusively for the talented but that comes with a very hefty price tag.
+1
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 14, 2018, 11:10:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2018, 09:11:40 PM
Divide the 1.3m population colossus into 4 County teams.
Dublin males 18-33 that play senior Gaelic football you mean.
Another Dublin thread.
One thing that will never happen is a Dublin split.
Just like we never thought we'd see the second chance back door in Gaelic Football or Hurling.
Just like we though we'd never see group stages in the Football Championship.
Just like we thought we'd never see Soccer or Rugby in Croke Park.
Just like we thought we'd never hear God Save the Queen in Croke Park.
Just like we never thought in 2004 that there would be only one other winner of a Leinster title in the next 14 years.
Dublin will be spit. It's inevitable! Money rules the GAA and this is the only way to keep the coffers filled!
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 14, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 14, 2018, 11:10:47 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 13, 2018, 09:11:40 PM
Divide the 1.3m population colossus into 4 County teams.
Dublin males 18-33 that play senior Gaelic football you mean.
Another Dublin thread.
One thing that will never happen is a Dublin split.
Just like we never thought we'd see the second chance back door in Gaelic Football or Hurling.
Just like we though we'd never see group stages in the Football Championship.
Just like we thought we'd never see Soccer or Rugby in Croke Park.
Just like we thought we'd never hear God Save the Queen in Croke Park.
Just like we never thought in 2004 that there would be only one other winner of a Leinster title in the next 14 years.
Dublin will be spit. It's inevitable! Money rules the GAA and this is the only way to keep the coffers filled!
The great Mayo support contribute a lot to the coffers too!
Maybe your right actually, but cant see it happening within the next 20 years, would have to be phased in.
So he must be a Professional then?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1219/1018123-jim-gavin-extends-his-contract-with-dublin
Quote from: Rossfan on December 23, 2018, 05:37:16 PM
So he must be a Professional then?
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1219/1018123-jim-gavin-extends-his-contract-with-dublin
Why would that be
Amateurs don't have contracts ;)
The incorporation of financial doping within the rules means Gavin can milk the cow 'til wherever time it dies. Expect him and David Brailsford to release a joint book anytime soon.
Quote from: Over the Bar on December 23, 2018, 10:41:58 PM
The incorporation of financial doping within the rules means Gavin can milk the cow 'til wherever time it dies. Expect him and David Brailsford to release a joint book anytime soon.
It'll be closely followed by your memoir from the barstool called " I could have been a Contender"
Will this be before or after "Jurgen Klopp's teeth - the real story" ;D
Cian McBride going for trials. Nash already gone and looking permanent now. So much for closing the gap in Leinster.
Sligo boosted by the return of one of their most talented young footballers. A very open and honest interview.
https://www.offtheball.com/football/red-og-murphy-sligo-afl-900676
Did I read lately that a McQuillan chap from Armagh has gone to AFL?
https://hoganstand.com/Armagh/Article/Index/304093
Yeah gone to Essendon.
https://hoganstand.com/Meath/Article/Index/305596
Shitty news to read, McBride gone now as well. Makes me wonder if it's worth following our fortunes over the next few years at all. Doesn't bode well for the Leinster championship for the next few years whatever slim chance we had we won't be doing much as a football farm for the AFL.
Quote from: thejuice on November 05, 2019, 09:42:20 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Meath/Article/Index/305596
Shitty news to read, McBride gone now as well. Makes me wonder if it's worth following our fortunes over the next few years at all. Doesn't bode well for the Leinster championship for the next few years whatever slim chance we had we won't be doing much as a football farm for the AFL.
Meath would have about the same level of decorum as AFLso its prob a match made in heaven
Quote from: thejuice on November 05, 2019, 09:42:20 PM
https://hoganstand.com/Meath/Article/Index/305596
Shitty news to read, McBride gone now as well. Makes me wonder if it's worth following our fortunes over the next few years at all. Doesn't bode well for the Leinster championship for the next few years whatever slim chance we had we won't be doing much as a football farm for the AFL.
From what I seen of him he had huge potential for Meath seniors. Who knows if it doesn't work out for him he might return. How long is Conor Nash out there now? 6ft 6 mobile lad would have been a serious addition to Meath.
Yeah hopefully he'll be back with us and Nash but it's looking like Nash will be there a while longer, he got a contract extension I think. He was off the main team for a while but worked his way back in by the end of the season. If Nash does return I doubt Leinster Rugby would still be interested in him but I suppose it's not impossible either.
Cathal Mcshane has a singed a 2 year deal with Brisbane Lions, according to John Fogarty. He would be around 24/25? ...they don't generally look at that age for a rookie deal
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 01, 2020, 10:52:35 PM
Cathal Mcshane has a singed a 2 year deal with Brisbane Lions, according to John Fogarty. He would be around 24/25? ...they don't generally look at that age for a rookie deal
Pretty old to head over and that age and adjust to a new game. Needless to say would be a massive loss for Tyrone. Not to mention his club.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 01, 2020, 10:54:42 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 01, 2020, 10:52:35 PM
Cathal Mcshane has a singed a 2 year deal with Brisbane Lions, according to John Fogarty. He would be around 24/25? ...they don't generally look at that age for a rookie deal
Pretty old to head over and that age and adjust to a new game. Needless to say would be a massive loss for Tyrone. Not to mention his club.
Suppose it's no gamble. What's 2 years? He's probably weighed up Tyrones chances and seen close up how far off the mark they are. If it does not work out, he'll still be in good shape and can go back to where he left off!
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
It'll be faux, that's his ready made excuse for this summer sorted.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
At least we won't have to listen to him moan on rte tv/radio anyway!!
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
At least we won't have to listen to him moan on rte tv/radio anyway!!
Pretty classy that comment.
Asshole
Quote from: joemamas on January 02, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
At least we won't have to listen to him moan on rte tv/radio anyway!!
Pretty classy that comment.
Asshole
Good for you for taking offence on his behalf.
Especially as we all know how his teams teams have conducted themselves with nothing but class all down the years.
Most relevant point though is why any forward would want to play for a team like Tyrone? If you're McShane you're left in your own up front and the rest of the "forwards" are selected more for their fitness and stamina levels rather than their shooting/finishing skills.
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: joemamas on January 02, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
At least we won't have to listen to him moan on rte tv/radio anyway!!
Pretty classy that comment.
Asshole
Good for you for taking offence on his behalf.
Especially as we all know how his teams teams have conducted themselves with nothing but class all down the years.
Most relevant point though is why any forward would want to play for a team like Tyrone? If you're McShane you're left in your own up front and the rest of the "forwards" are selected more for their fitness and stamina levels rather than their shooting/finishing skills.
Tyrone weren't particularly defensive at all last year. Their whole game plan was built around kicking the ball into McShane and Donnelly. If they didn't enjoy that system I'd be amazed.
Tyrone were slightly more attacking last year in that they left 2 up front rather than one. Their lack of conviction up front was one of the main reasons Kerry were able to come back in the 2nd half and beat Tyrone.
McShane was Tyrone's only scoring forward last season and they weren't good enough to beat any of the top sides with him in the team. Without him Tyrone will be doing well to make the super 8s this year.
Aye Micky, that will stop the recruiting alright ::)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mickey-harte-wants-all-ties-to-afl-cut-973753.html
(http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/images/story15c.jpg)
Former Tyrone Coach Peter Donnelly and Darren Burgess Head of High Performance Port Adelaide AFL Club in 2015.
Looks to have been a great course, smart move by Donnelly, surely of some benefit to Tyrone GAA in the
following years and he is no doubt a great coach.
Could some sort engagement with the AFL clubs be a beneficial strategy to get an edge?
"They will live and breathe in-season training with the full team and their inner sanctum, which is a stand out and unique opportunity made possible by this partnership." - Uni SA & PAFC
"The course will also cover injury surveillance, rehabilitation and monitoring workloads; as well as interstate pre-game preparation of medical, nutrition, sleep and physical elements.
"Attendees will get unprecedented access to the sports science, coaching, and player development of an elite, successful sporting club."
There is a short interview clip of Peter Donnelly in the video link @ 3.31
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/port-adelaide-reveals-hi-tech,-cutting-edge-fitness-regime/6560204
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:48:46 PM
Quote from: joemamas on January 02, 2020, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 02, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Jases we'll be hearing some whinging from Mickey Harte now ::)
At least we won't have to listen to him moan on rte tv/radio anyway!!
Pretty classy that comment.
Asshole
Good for you for taking offence on his behalf.
Especially as we all know how his teams teams have conducted themselves with nothing but class all down the years.
Most relevant point though is why any forward would want to play for a team like Tyrone? If you're McShane you're left in your own up front and the rest of the "forwards" are selected more for their fitness and stamina levels rather than their shooting/finishing skills.
A simple apology or recognition of a mistake would suffice.
Mickey was on BBC complaining about several things relating to Cathal McShane's decision, but he didn't go on RTE to complain so why should I or the other poster apologise for being right?
Fair play to McShane for giving it a go. He gets paid to be a professional athlete and has a chance to make a career for himself. You'd like to think Mickey Harte wished him well despite all his complaining and criticism of everything AFL related
Quote from: dublin7 on January 08, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
Mickey was on BBC complaining about several things relating to Cathal McShane's decision, but he didn't go on RTE to complain so why should I or the other poster apologise for being right?
Fair play to McShane for giving it a go. He gets paid to be a professional athlete and has a chance to make a career for himself. You'd like to think Mickey Harte wished him well despite all his complaining and criticism of everything AFL related
He did, on the BBC.
Oisin Mullin to head down under under https://t.co/NTa0Bj288G?amp=1
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 04, 2021, 06:54:17 PM
Oisin Mullin to head down under under https://t.co/NTa0Bj288G?amp=1
Big loss for Mayo