Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[JoG2]

Right decision as clubs need stop appealing every single restructure as they have been the last number of years, however it's a very dangerous situation if the executive can effectively carry or defeat any vote they want. This executive seems to have become a dictatorship and serious changes need made.
Also. 80k on a holiday? That's complete and utter madness.

County senior holiday?

According to Cahair yes

So, what this squad has done for the county the last 2 years, 2 Ulster's, 2 x semi final appearances. The sacrifices made, never mind the revenue brought in, you'd begrudge them a team holiday? Complete and utter madness is right

Last time I check no1 had a gun to their head to make those 'sacrifices'. Large majority are young men with no families who are either at uni or in jobs that are very very amenable to allowing them to make 'sacrifices'. How and ever, my issue isn't with the holiday, more power to them, but spending 80k on sending a senior team on a jolly is ridiculous for a so called amateur organisation. Surely that money if it's coming from sponsors or the CB, would be better spent in games development?
Or how about instead of A county board spending 80k on a holiday for the men's team they use it to pay running costs and allow ladies, camogie, and clubs to use Owenbeg for free instead of charging them an arm and a leg to use the facilities. If the players are covering the costs themselves then work away, but if it's coming out of the coffers of sponsors then there is a whole lot better way to spend it. Yes the senior men are the marquee and face of the game to an extent, but they are not and should not be the be all and end all.

A jolly / gun to their head.. Have a word with yourself.

It's only being made a big deal of because of Cahair has the inside line. Counties who haven't had the recent success Derry have had  are doing this and we hear nothing about it. As has been said the income from the last couple of years and the run the county with the big attendances at games more than covers it. He's of no help to Derry that man and just enjoys stirring it.

It's not a big deal though, far from it

Have a word with myself??? Very constructive.

I'd love to know what sacrifices these poor martyrs are making in order to grace us with their presence in a Derry jersey. I've nothing against the players and their commitment level, and it's great to see them doing well. But to paint them as men making huge sacrifices is just plain wrong. They are young men living a dream of thousands of young men and woman around the country and have everything laid on for them from 5 star hotels at away games, to paid days off work any time they need it, they literally just have to turn up and do what they are asked. 

Fair play to them if they are getting a free holiday, but as a member of the GAA in Derry I feel that that money could and should be spent elsewhere. The senior lads are already well enough looked after in my opinion.

You really are doubling down on this. What about the homeless?

You're a member of the GAA in Derry, what membership is that?
You feel, and I'd say you're in a very small minority, that the Derry seniors, what they've achieved, the revenue they've brought in via gate receipts, club Derry ticket sales, sponsorship are not worthy of a holiday as a way of thanks? You've entitlement issues by the looks of it.

[RedHand88]

It's yet another case of classic Irish begrudgery. Being from Tyrone I don't really have a horse in this race but I can completely understand why they deserve a holiday given the rise over the last few years and increase in gate receipt. Its only a few years ago that Derry were playing division 4 games in Longford, now they host Dublin and all the revenue that brings, and its down to the team taking the county up through the ranks to the top table.

There are an awful lot of jealous boys about.

[Cluborcountywhynotboth]

Right decision as clubs need stop appealing every single restructure as they have been the last number of years, however it's a very dangerous situation if the executive can effectively carry or defeat any vote they want. This executive seems to have become a dictatorship and serious changes need made.
Also. 80k on a holiday? That's complete and utter madness.

County senior holiday?

According to Cahair yes

So, what this squad has done for the county the last 2 years, 2 Ulster's, 2 x semi final appearances. The sacrifices made, never mind the revenue brought in, you'd begrudge them a team holiday? Complete and utter madness is right

Last time I check no1 had a gun to their head to make those 'sacrifices'. Large majority are young men with no families who are either at uni or in jobs that are very very amenable to allowing them to make 'sacrifices'. How and ever, my issue isn't with the holiday, more power to them, but spending 80k on sending a senior team on a jolly is ridiculous for a so called amateur organisation. Surely that money if it's coming from sponsors or the CB, would be better spent in games development?
Or how about instead of A county board spending 80k on a holiday for the men's team they use it to pay running costs and allow ladies, camogie, and clubs to use Owenbeg for free instead of charging them an arm and a leg to use the facilities. If the players are covering the costs themselves then work away, but if it's coming out of the coffers of sponsors then there is a whole lot better way to spend it. Yes the senior men are the marquee and face of the game to an extent, but they are not and should not be the be all and end all.

A jolly / gun to their head.. Have a word with yourself.

It's only being made a big deal of because of Cahair has the inside line. Counties who haven't had the recent success Derry have had  are doing this and we hear nothing about it. As has been said the income from the last couple of years and the run the county with the big attendances at games more than covers it. He's of no help to Derry that man and just enjoys stirring it.

It's not a big deal though, far from it

Have a word with myself??? Very constructive.

I'd love to know what sacrifices these poor martyrs are making in order to grace us with their presence in a Derry jersey. I've nothing against the players and their commitment level, and it's great to see them doing well. But to paint them as men making huge sacrifices is just plain wrong. They are young men living a dream of thousands of young men and woman around the country and have everything laid on for them from 5 star hotels at away games, to paid days off work any time they need it, they literally just have to turn up and do what they are asked. 

Fair play to them if they are getting a free holiday, but as a member of the GAA in Derry I feel that that money could and should be spent elsewhere. The senior lads are already well enough looked after in my opinion.

You really are doubling down on this. What about the homeless?

You're a member of the GAA in Derry, what membership is that?
You feel, and I'd say you're in a very small minority, that the Derry seniors, what they've achieved, the revenue they've brought in via gate receipts, club Derry ticket sales, sponsorship are not worthy of a holiday as a way of thanks? You've entitlement issues by the looks of it.

Entitlement? I'm not asking for anything. It's you saying boys are entitled to a holiday beside apparently they make massive sacrifices.
All I'm saying is they get well enough looked after for amateurs and 80k would be better spent elsewhere so that we can grow the game for everyone, which in turn might lead to Derry having some sustained success across all codes, not just for senior men for a couple of years.

[JoG2]

Right decision as clubs need stop appealing every single restructure as they have been the last number of years, however it's a very dangerous situation if the executive can effectively carry or defeat any vote they want. This executive seems to have become a dictatorship and serious changes need made.
Also. 80k on a holiday? That's complete and utter madness.

County senior holiday?

According to Cahair yes

So, what this squad has done for the county the last 2 years, 2 Ulster's, 2 x semi final appearances. The sacrifices made, never mind the revenue brought in, you'd begrudge them a team holiday? Complete and utter madness is right

Last time I check no1 had a gun to their head to make those 'sacrifices'. Large majority are young men with no families who are either at uni or in jobs that are very very amenable to allowing them to make 'sacrifices'. How and ever, my issue isn't with the holiday, more power to them, but spending 80k on sending a senior team on a jolly is ridiculous for a so called amateur organisation. Surely that money if it's coming from sponsors or the CB, would be better spent in games development?
Or how about instead of A county board spending 80k on a holiday for the men's team they use it to pay running costs and allow ladies, camogie, and clubs to use Owenbeg for free instead of charging them an arm and a leg to use the facilities. If the players are covering the costs themselves then work away, but if it's coming out of the coffers of sponsors then there is a whole lot better way to spend it. Yes the senior men are the marquee and face of the game to an extent, but they are not and should not be the be all and end all.

A jolly / gun to their head.. Have a word with yourself.

It's only being made a big deal of because of Cahair has the inside line. Counties who haven't had the recent success Derry have had  are doing this and we hear nothing about it. As has been said the income from the last couple of years and the run the county with the big attendances at games more than covers it. He's of no help to Derry that man and just enjoys stirring it.

It's not a big deal though, far from it

Have a word with myself??? Very constructive.

I'd love to know what sacrifices these poor martyrs are making in order to grace us with their presence in a Derry jersey. I've nothing against the players and their commitment level, and it's great to see them doing well. But to paint them as men making huge sacrifices is just plain wrong. They are young men living a dream of thousands of young men and woman around the country and have everything laid on for them from 5 star hotels at away games, to paid days off work any time they need it, they literally just have to turn up and do what they are asked. 

Fair play to them if they are getting a free holiday, but as a member of the GAA in Derry I feel that that money could and should be spent elsewhere. The senior lads are already well enough looked after in my opinion.

You really are doubling down on this. What about the homeless?

You're a member of the GAA in Derry, what membership is that?
You feel, and I'd say you're in a very small minority, that the Derry seniors, what they've achieved, the revenue they've brought in via gate receipts, club Derry ticket sales, sponsorship are not worthy of a holiday as a way of thanks? You've entitlement issues by the looks of it.

Entitlement? I'm not asking for anything. It's you saying boys are entitled to a holiday beside apparently they make massive sacrifices.
All I'm saying is they get well enough looked after for amateurs and 80k would be better spent elsewhere so that we can grow the game for everyone, which in turn might lead to Derry having some sustained success across all codes, not just for senior men for a couple of years.

This will be last post on this, as you sound like one of those glass half empty moaners I always end up sitting beside at games.
You are asking for stuff and you continue to ask. You're asking that money raised by the seniors, some of it is not to be spent on a thank you trip for them, but spent elsewhere. And, you talk about growing the game.. What is growing the game right now in this county than the success of the senior's?
The huge numbers at McKenna cup games in Jan / Feb. A packed Celtic Pk for Tyrone / Dublin. A massive travelling contingent on the away days (there was maybe 25 or 30 of us in Fraher Field 4 years ago). Wains are storming the pitches to meet their heroes at the end of the games. Derry City is awash with Derry gear. All schools have Derry days before the Ulster finals and the big Croke Pk days... Tell me what is growing our games more than that?

[Wildweasel74]

All top team teams get a decent holiday. If you gonna ask men to train 4 times a week just for the love of the game, forget about it,  they training as semi professionals and we don't even want to give them a decent holiday. There was a time you couldn't get a no. Of players to play county football. Yes it cost money but show me a top team not in the same boat.sure Donegal spend a £100k away on the built up to the league.

[Cluborcountywhynotboth]

Right decision as clubs need stop appealing every single restructure as they have been the last number of years, however it's a very dangerous situation if the executive can effectively carry or defeat any vote they want. This executive seems to have become a dictatorship and serious changes need made.
Also. 80k on a holiday? That's complete and utter madness.

County senior holiday?

According to Cahair yes

So, what this squad has done for the county the last 2 years, 2 Ulster's, 2 x semi final appearances. The sacrifices made, never mind the revenue brought in, you'd begrudge them a team holiday? Complete and utter madness is right

Last time I check no1 had a gun to their head to make those 'sacrifices'. Large majority are young men with no families who are either at uni or in jobs that are very very amenable to allowing them to make 'sacrifices'. How and ever, my issue isn't with the holiday, more power to them, but spending 80k on sending a senior team on a jolly is ridiculous for a so called amateur organisation. Surely that money if it's coming from sponsors or the CB, would be better spent in games development?
Or how about instead of A county board spending 80k on a holiday for the men's team they use it to pay running costs and allow ladies, camogie, and clubs to use Owenbeg for free instead of charging them an arm and a leg to use the facilities. If the players are covering the costs themselves then work away, but if it's coming out of the coffers of sponsors then there is a whole lot better way to spend it. Yes the senior men are the marquee and face of the game to an extent, but they are not and should not be the be all and end all.

A jolly / gun to their head.. Have a word with yourself.

It's only being made a big deal of because of Cahair has the inside line. Counties who haven't had the recent success Derry have had  are doing this and we hear nothing about it. As has been said the income from the last couple of years and the run the county with the big attendances at games more than covers it. He's of no help to Derry that man and just enjoys stirring it.

It's not a big deal though, far from it

Have a word with myself??? Very constructive.

I'd love to know what sacrifices these poor martyrs are making in order to grace us with their presence in a Derry jersey. I've nothing against the players and their commitment level, and it's great to see them doing well. But to paint them as men making huge sacrifices is just plain wrong. They are young men living a dream of thousands of young men and woman around the country and have everything laid on for them from 5 star hotels at away games, to paid days off work any time they need it, they literally just have to turn up and do what they are asked. 

Fair play to them if they are getting a free holiday, but as a member of the GAA in Derry I feel that that money could and should be spent elsewhere. The senior lads are already well enough looked after in my opinion.

You really are doubling down on this. What about the homeless?

You're a member of the GAA in Derry, what membership is that?
You feel, and I'd say you're in a very small minority, that the Derry seniors, what they've achieved, the revenue they've brought in via gate receipts, club Derry ticket sales, sponsorship are not worthy of a holiday as a way of thanks? You've entitlement issues by the looks of it.

Entitlement? I'm not asking for anything. It's you saying boys are entitled to a holiday beside apparently they make massive sacrifices.
All I'm saying is they get well enough looked after for amateurs and 80k would be better spent elsewhere so that we can grow the game for everyone, which in turn might lead to Derry having some sustained success across all codes, not just for senior men for a couple of years.

This will be last post on this, as you sound like one of those glass half empty moaners I always end up sitting beside at games.
You are asking for stuff and you continue to ask. You're asking that money raised by the seniors, some of it is not to be spent on a thank you trip for them, but spent elsewhere. And, you talk about growing the game.. What is growing the game right now in this county than the success of the senior's?
The huge numbers at McKenna cup games in Jan / Feb. A packed Celtic Pk for Tyrone / Dublin. A massive travelling contingent on the away days (there was maybe 25 or 30 of us in Fraher Field 4 years ago). Wains are storming the pitches to meet their heroes at the end of the games. Derry City is awash with Derry gear. All schools have Derry days before the Ulster finals and the big Croke Pk days... Tell me what is growing our games more than that?

Not a moaner at all. I've been sitting in Celtic park with a couple hundred people in Div 4 so I am well aware we have little to moan about at present.
And yes you're right all that achievement is growing the game, but why do the players need a 'thank you' as you put it. What about the players who got us out of div 4, 3 etc... what about each and every coach and support staff, what about the people selling tickets and club Derry when we were in div 4, those in county boards when no-one else wanted to be, the other underage players who drove these players on to be better, and many many more. Do they not deserve thanks as well???
All the stuff you listed is correct, but all that positive stuff will come anyway regardless of a holiday. As they say a growing tide lifts all boats, so what I am saying is why not use all that good stuff, and harness it, and if there is 80k laying about spend it on something more long lasting. What about hiring a coach for a couple years to work developing junior clubs? Or as I say subsiding the usage of Owenbeg so ladies, camogie, clubs can spend their money in better coaches and facilities etc.. rather than having to spend it renting our county centre.
I'm not begrudging at all, or against the lads, I just think 80k for a holiday is a massive outlay for little return other than for a very select few, and could be used in a more positive way for all. 

But anyway, as you say, last message on it and agree to disagree.

[clawaddy]

I very much doubt this is a holiday. Most of the successful top teams have taken warm weather training breaks before the championship begins. I appreciate the efforts made by these players and others to get Derry to where they are now. Its always easy to snipe from the sidelines but the offfield and onfield management of the county have been getting it right these past few years

[toby47]

Right decision as clubs need stop appealing every single restructure as they have been the last number of years, however it's a very dangerous situation if the executive can effectively carry or defeat any vote they want. This executive seems to have become a dictatorship and serious changes need made.
Also. 80k on a holiday? That's complete and utter madness.

County senior holiday?

According to Cahair yes

So, what this squad has done for the county the last 2 years, 2 Ulster's, 2 x semi final appearances. The sacrifices made, never mind the revenue brought in, you'd begrudge them a team holiday? Complete and utter madness is right

Last time I check no1 had a gun to their head to make those 'sacrifices'. Large majority are young men with no families who are either at uni or in jobs that are very very amenable to allowing them to make 'sacrifices'. How and ever, my issue isn't with the holiday, more power to them, but spending 80k on sending a senior team on a jolly is ridiculous for a so called amateur organisation. Surely that money if it's coming from sponsors or the CB, would be better spent in games development?
Or how about instead of A county board spending 80k on a holiday for the men's team they use it to pay running costs and allow ladies, camogie, and clubs to use Owenbeg for free instead of charging them an arm and a leg to use the facilities. If the players are covering the costs themselves then work away, but if it's coming out of the coffers of sponsors then there is a whole lot better way to spend it. Yes the senior men are the marquee and face of the game to an extent, but they are not and should not be the be all and end all.

A jolly / gun to their head.. Have a word with yourself.

It's only being made a big deal of because of Cahair has the inside line. Counties who haven't had the recent success Derry have had  are doing this and we hear nothing about it. As has been said the income from the last couple of years and the run the county with the big attendances at games more than covers it. He's of no help to Derry that man and just enjoys stirring it.

It's not a big deal though, far from it

Have a word with myself??? Very constructive.

I'd love to know what sacrifices these poor martyrs are making in order to grace us with their presence in a Derry jersey. I've nothing against the players and their commitment level, and it's great to see them doing well. But to paint them as men making huge sacrifices is just plain wrong. They are young men living a dream of thousands of young men and woman around the country and have everything laid on for them from 5 star hotels at away games, to paid days off work any time they need it, they literally just have to turn up and do what they are asked. 

Fair play to them if they are getting a free holiday, but as a member of the GAA in Derry I feel that that money could and should be spent elsewhere. The senior lads are already well enough looked after in my opinion.

You really are doubling down on this. What about the homeless?

You're a member of the GAA in Derry, what membership is that?
You feel, and I'd say you're in a very small minority, that the Derry seniors, what they've achieved, the revenue they've brought in via gate receipts, club Derry ticket sales, sponsorship are not worthy of a holiday as a way of thanks? You've entitlement issues by the looks of it.

Entitlement? I'm not asking for anything. It's you saying boys are entitled to a holiday beside apparently they make massive sacrifices.
All I'm saying is they get well enough looked after for amateurs and 80k would be better spent elsewhere so that we can grow the game for everyone, which in turn might lead to Derry having some sustained success across all codes, not just for senior men for a couple of years.

This will be last post on this, as you sound like one of those glass half empty moaners I always end up sitting beside at games.
You are asking for stuff and you continue to ask. You're asking that money raised by the seniors, some of it is not to be spent on a thank you trip for them, but spent elsewhere. And, you talk about growing the game.. What is growing the game right now in this county than the success of the senior's?
The huge numbers at McKenna cup games in Jan / Feb. A packed Celtic Pk for Tyrone / Dublin. A massive travelling contingent on the away days (there was maybe 25 or 30 of us in Fraher Field 4 years ago). Wains are storming the pitches to meet their heroes at the end of the games. Derry City is awash with Derry gear. All schools have Derry days before the Ulster finals and the big Croke Pk days... Tell me what is growing our games more than that?

Not a moaner at all. I've been sitting in Celtic park with a couple hundred people in Div 4 so I am well aware we have little to moan about at present.
And yes you're right all that achievement is growing the game, but why do the players need a 'thank you' as you put it. What about the players who got us out of div 4, 3 etc... what about each and every coach and support staff, what about the people selling tickets and club Derry when we were in div 4, those in county boards when no-one else wanted to be, the other underage players who drove these players on to be better, and many many more. Do they not deserve thanks as well???
All the stuff you listed is correct, but all that positive stuff will come anyway regardless of a holiday. As they say a growing tide lifts all boats, so what I am saying is why not use all that good stuff, and harness it, and if there is 80k laying about spend it on something more long lasting. What about hiring a coach for a couple years to work developing junior clubs? Or as I say subsiding the usage of Owenbeg so ladies, camogie, clubs can spend their money in better coaches and facilities etc.. rather than having to spend it renting our county centre.
I'm not begrudging at all, or against the lads, I just think 80k for a holiday is a massive outlay for little return other than for a very select few, and could be used in a more positive way for all.

But anyway, as you say, last message on it and agree to disagree.

My god. Everything that's wrong with the world at the minute. Don't do anything, you may offend someone. Don't let the lads go on holiday, the fella that pushed him 16 years ago when he was an u14 might be offended he's not been offered to go on the holiday.

[HiMucker]

Your man has to be on the wind up surely 

[Brendan]

Isn't the stuff about the League/Championship structure more important than a team holiday? What is the actual reasons the clubs are angry about

[uimhr ocht]

It's a training camp and team bonding before the chship,every county usually organise this weather its Portugal or Portrush,just depends what your sponsorship,funds each county had in the coffers,fair play to the lads deserve this after the last few years success,pity RG wasn't allowed to go to lol

[Wildweasel74]

Here, Derry need to be stronger at Intermediate and Junior like most other counties. A 12 team league senior league leaves it stronger also. Clubs know this is the case, there too much personal interest at senior club level to say, oh were a senior club in a 16 county league, and not worry about the lack of strength jn the lower leagues. What team outside of a top 10/12 teams, every won a senior championship, I say none.

[HiMucker]

Here, Derry need to be stronger at Intermediate and Junior like most other counties. A 12 team league senior league leaves it stronger also. Clubs know this is the case, there too much personal interest at senior club level to say, oh were a senior club in a 16 county league, and not worry about the lack of strength jn the lower leagues. What team outside of a top 10/12 teams, every won a senior championship, I say none.

Nail on the head there

[Silver hill]

Isn't the stuff about the League/Championship structure more important than a team holiday? What is the actual reasons the clubs are angry about

Glenullin are annoyed because they won the last two intermediate championships but were omitted from senior due to the restructures.
Ballinderry and Coleraine; probably more to do with ego and arrogance about being a big club and too good for intermediate.
Same with Lavey and playing league 2.

[Wildweasel74]

But if they were as good as they think, go out win a Internediate All'Ireland if they think they too good for this level.Actually prove it.