Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

ziggysego

Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
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Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

ziggysego

Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
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Donnellys Hollow

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes

It was only installed for the rugby and soccer. There's really no need for it anymore.
There's Seán Brady going in, what dya think Seán?

ziggysego

Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on December 21, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes

It was only installed for the rugby and soccer. There's really no need for it anymore.

Still there and can become useful in the future, if heavy snow becomes a regular occurance in the future.
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Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

ziggysego

Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

I think it would be justified, as part of a new build. Not to dig up a pitch to install it. So it Casement is going for a full redevelopment, then I would say yes. I'd much rather have that, than a roof, which some people are advocating.
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Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

I think it would be justified, as part of a new build. Not to dig up a pitch to install it. So it Casement is going for a full redevelopment, then I would say yes. I'd much rather have that, than a roof, which some people are advocating.
How much would it cost?

ziggysego

Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

I think it would be justified, as part of a new build. Not to dig up a pitch to install it. So it Casement is going for a full redevelopment, then I would say yes. I'd much rather have that, than a roof, which some people are advocating.
How much would it cost?

I don't know. Do you?
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Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

I think it would be justified, as part of a new build. Not to dig up a pitch to install it. So it Casement is going for a full redevelopment, then I would say yes. I'd much rather have that, than a roof, which some people are advocating.
How much would it cost?

I don't know. Do you?
No. Although i'd assume it isn't cheap. If it was, i'd imagine it would be fairly common.

I'm also working on the basis that:
CP didn't feel it necessary to install it during their upgrade;
It was installed to facilitate other sports; and
Our games are played primarily in the summer.

Added to that, games have been called off due to road conditions even where the pitch might be playable. I've seen this on the news for English soccer games too.

Maguire01

Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:30:36 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:27:55 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on December 21, 2010, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on December 21, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
Clones, Casement and all of the other big grounds primarily cater for 'summer' games. This weather will impact on very few games in the GAA calendar.

Ulster Club Finals.
Nobody is going to design 40,000 capacity stadium plans around club finals.

No, but they could put under pitch heating for them.

Croke Park wasn't a 82,000 stadia designed around club finals, but club finals are played there. Plus the Ulster Club Final was almost taken there, if it was called off again.
Does Croker have under pitch heating?

Yes
But not necessarily clear roads.

Also, would the cost of under-soil heating for a few club finals (not even necessarily every year) be justified? Especially if there's a back-up for extremely exceptional circumstances?

I think it would be justified, as part of a new build. Not to dig up a pitch to install it. So it Casement is going for a full redevelopment, then I would say yes. I'd much rather have that, than a roof, which some people are advocating.
The roof would keep out snow and rain, the latter being fairly common throughout the year. A roof would also be much more of a benefit for non-sports use of a stadium that under-soil heating.

ziggysego

We'll agree to disagree then  :P

We'd be here all day if we kept this up  :D
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The Worker

I think a roof should be brought into deep consideration during the planning stage of the redevelopment of Casement park.

donelli

Personally think its crazy spending so much on 1 stadium.

A central Ulster stadium with several training fields would be better built about south tyrone. In that location it would be on several key transport networks and equa distance to the majority of Ulster counties.