Things that make you go What the F**k?

[David McKeown]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

[JoG2]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

Brilliant! 

[statto]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

If your not within a certain threshold can you not do the course.  I was not so lucky a few months back and encountered the same shite around payment. 

[AustinPowers]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

If your not within a certain threshold can you not do the course.  I was not so lucky a few months back and encountered the same shite around payment. 

Yes, I thought you could do the course  and by doing so,    avoided the points?

[LC]

Boris testimony at the Covid enquiry, what an absolute clampet.

[Armagh18]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

If your not within a certain threshold can you not do the course.  I was not so lucky a few months back and encountered the same shite around payment. 

Yes, I thought you could do the course  and by doing so,    avoided the points?

Depends how far over the speed limit you were

[David McKeown]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

If your not within a certain threshold can you not do the course.  I was not so lucky a few months back and encountered the same shite around payment. 

Yes, I thought you could do the course  and by doing so,    avoided the points?

Depends how far over the speed limit you were

Also depends on availability of course in your area, if you've had it before and time between offence and request for the course.

[statto]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

If your not within a certain threshold can you not do the course.  I was not so lucky a few months back and encountered the same shite around payment. 

Yes, I thought you could do the course  and by doing so,    avoided the points?

Depends how far over the speed limit you were

Also depends on availability of course in your area, if you've had it before and time between offence and request for the course.

A really fair way of determining it 

[marty34]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

[RedHand88]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

If anyone tried that I'd ask them if the speedometer in their car is calibrated. If not, how do they know they were doing under 30?

[Armagh18]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

If anyone tried that I'd ask them if the speedometer in their car is calibrated. If not, how do they know they were doing under 30?

Are you a cop lol. Thats why you're meant to get leeway as far as I know if you're only a small bit over. Must speedos if they say you're doing 30 you're actually doing a little bit less

[David McKeown]

Speeding fines

* 35mph in a while 30mph zone (I wasn't, 110%, I was at 30mph well before entering the 30mph zone.

* 1st letter arrives, NO right of appeal, asking me to confirm it was me

* 2nd letter asking me confirm I'll pay fine / take speed awareness

* 3rd letter then to confirm amount (£60 + a wee £5 Offender Levy, whatever that is)

* payment only by cheque (who the fcuk has had a cheque book the last 20 years??) or postal order. Went and got a postal order, £8.30 fee for it.
The girl behind the counter @ the Post Office  asked me 'The Clerk of Petty Sessions?, we'll have another 50 of those today, and everyday.

So a nice wee total of £73.30 for going 30mph in a 30mph zone... 110% that speed gun was pointed a couple of hundred yards down the road.

3 x letters, postal order or cheque, the 'offence' happened early September.... Is it 2023 of 1973?!

Me.

So you paid  £60 fine.  Now what?  Do you have to take the speed awareness  course and/or got penalty points?

Fine and penalty points.

There was a one in Ballymena court last year.  A defendant representing himself started speaking about how the calibration result recorded in the police officer's statement was outside the operating range by 0.1m.  The judge asked sure what difference would that make you were 15mph over the limit.  The defendant started to explain the maths to him and the Judge replied.  That's all well and good but why should I take your word for it.  The defendant responded well I run the company that holds the contract for calibrating all the speed guns for all the police forces in the UK so I kinda know what I am talking about.  I don't think I have ever seen the judge as lost for words

David, I heard a story once. Not sure if true.  You could help.

Someone was once charged with speeding and stopped. They were told they were X over the limit.

He asked the cop when was the speed gun last calibrated and he asked to see a certificate of when it was calibrated last.

Does it have to be calibrated every day and could you request to see it? If not, is the speed fine still valid?

I suppose it's a technicality more than anything else.

Strange you should mention this as its become somewhat of a cause celebre for me this last year or so.  Building on from that earlier Ballymena story I ended up representing that guy in the case.  The position is that per guidance on the use of the gun is as follows.  Before use they should be checked this is known as a conformity check.  The results should be noted.  The conformity check doesn't assess if the gun is calibrated properly at all distances simply that they are working correctly at an exact distance making it more likely they are working at all distances.  A failure to perform the conformity check doesn't invalidate the reading but may result in the evidence from the gun being excluded.  In addition the gun must be calibrated once a year and if not can not be used.  The calibration also doesn't prove the gun is accurate (except at the exact moment it is calibrated).  You are entitled to see the certificate but it doesn't have to be produced immediately

Anyway since the Ballymena case I have had some success with the issue

[imtommygunn]

Wtf is going on with the Rwandan scheme that the British government are pushing for. So starmer stands up in parliament today and says that the maximum it can take is one hundred and for this one hundred they take in one hundred from Rwanda? Them tories should be locked up. Never mind the premise of this thing in the first place the sheer lies that go on with them is off the chart.

[Wildweasel74]

I was took for 46 in a 30, and I swear it was 36, yes still over, I had seen the van from a fair distance, even behind the speed sign, and had slowed down well under 30 from way out. I even looked back at it on the car camera, and I look fairly slow on it. I take it them cameras automatically record speeds and can't be wrong. Was gonna take it to court, not to argue I was over the limit, but the cameras couldn't been correct and deliberately calibrated over.

[93-DY-SAM]

Wtf is going on with the Rwandan scheme that the British government are pushing for. So starmer stands up in parliament today and says that the maximum it can take is one hundred and for this one hundred they take in one hundred from Rwanda? Them tories should be locked up. Never mind the premise of this thing in the first place the sheer lies that go on with them is off the chart.

Smoke and mirrors. Feed the Brit public the line - aren't we great at tackling all these foreign people coming into our country? A large section of the British lap this shite up. Meanwhile, some Tory is pocketing a fortune while they have distracted everyone to look over there.