MPs unite to fight law that will make abortions available in Northern Ireland

[trueblue1234]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

It's a bit disingenuous of the article. The actual report that it's based on says the following,

^{Abortion rates are similar in countries where abortion is highly restricted and where it is broadly legal. The abortion rate is 37 per 1,000 women in countries that prohibit abortion altogether or allow it only to save a woman's life, and 34 per 1,000 in countries that allow abortion without restriction as to reason—a difference that is not significant.}

The report says it's an insignificant difference. The article reads like someone is trying to weight it as a more significant fact that the report  says. 

[Baile Brigín 2]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

[omaghjoe]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

[Baile Brigín 2]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

[general_lee]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

[Taylor]

Something that does really annoy me however is those with such a differing opinion goading me for not agreeing with them.

Close enough family members who are staunchly pro life. Cannot accept that i am pro-choice! I respect their right to have whatever opinion they wish whether i agree or not. Why cant they see that i am also entitled to hold whatever view i wish also 

No one is allowed differing views nowadays else the other side will ram their opinion down your throat.

What you meant to say is "I can't utter my bigoted views without being challenged on them, and I hate that"

The problem for religuious fundies and woman haters is that they can't defend their views without coming across as nuts

Free speech has never been freer

But hey, play the imagined victim all you want

There's no such a thing as the thought police, even though you'd love if there were

It is yourself that is fundamentally anti-free speech

No Sid - that wasnt what I meant to say - not sure about TG, but if I had wanted to say that I am perfectly capable of doing so.

You do realise that not everyone has the same outlook and view?

Because they differ from your specific views it doesnt make them a bigot, religious fundies or women haters?

It's exactly what you meant to say

Now you are telling me exactly what I meant to say even though I said nothing of the like 

Either a WUM or something wrong with you man

[Rossfan]

Intolerant Sid is always right about everything all the time.
How do I know this?
Because Sid said so.

[omaghjoe]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

On the contrary you want to deny the right to life... all other rights come after this most basic human right.

[Baile Brigín 2]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

On the contrary you want to deny the right to life... all other rights come after this most basic human right.

Spare me that hysterical bullshit. That paucity of argument is partially why abortion is now legal across the land.

[tonto1888]

It says it all that the pro-death, anti-abortionist cult is now the cause celebre of racist scum like Gemma O'Doherty,

Gemma O'Doherty tweeted support for last year's referendum Yes vote.

No, she didn't

It's weird that you feel you have to lie about such a matter

O'Doherty is a pro-death, anti-abortionist nutcase

I haven't lied.

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1033679212492873728

An apology would be nice.

That's not her actually tweeting support is it

[tonto1888]

It says it all that the pro-death, anti-abortionist cult is now the cause celebre of racist scum like Gemma O'Doherty,

Gemma O'Doherty tweeted support for last year's referendum Yes vote.

No, she didn't

It's weird that you feel you have to lie about such a matter

O'Doherty is a pro-death, anti-abortionist nutcase

I haven't lied.

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1033679212492873728

An apology would be nice.

O'Doherty was against the abolition of the 8th Amendment and specifically stated so

And she's made no doubt whatsoever of her viciously anti-choice stance since, in amongst all the racism and anti-semitism that now go hand in hand with the screaming anti-choice nutcases in Ireland

I made a statement. You accused me of lying. I produced evidence to support my statement. Instead of admitting your error, you go off an another rant. 

Stating facts you don't like is not a rant

O'Doherty is a screaming anti-choice nutcase, quite literally, and a virulent racist with strong Nazi sympathies

You were wrong to accuse me of lying. You still haven't admitted that.

Again, the link you posted doesn't prove your point

[five points]

Again, the link you posted doesn't prove your point

It does.

I said "Gemma O'Doherty tweeted support for last year's referendum Yes vote."

Her tweet read "The Irish people were overdue a referendum on a woman's right to choose. They voted overwhelmingly to #repealthe8th. Abortion will be legal soon. Both sides need to heal the divisions between them now so we can focus on the next big job in hand: ridding #Ireland of corruption"

Note the first sentence.  It's very clear.

[tonto1888]

Nowhere in that is there support for a yes vote

[omaghjoe]

And countries which ban abortion have a higher rate of abortion than those which don't

{{Citation needed}}

What a load of nonsense. If this was true, shouldn't you be fighting to keep it banned so as to give more women the option of availing of abortion services?

It's lads like yourself that have been doing that

Lads like you never had a problem with backstreet abortions because you've never given a shit abut the health of women

Have you a link to that claim Sid?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/abortion-rates-go-down-when-countries-make-it-legal-report-n858476

Breaking news.... pro abortion think tank concludes that legal abortion is beneficial 

Countries with a right to chose generally had better sex education, access to contraception and dealt with rapists. Hence less unwanted pregnancies

So not so much to do with abortion being against the law then...

Very much so. Abortion being illegal generally points to a stoneage approach to womens reproductive rights.  Abortion being legal is part of a broader approach.

Abortion numbers fell in the south as free contraception was introduced at the same time.

So actually not......contraception is not abortion.

The question should be did abortion rise when it was made legal in the South?

[omaghjoe]

If anyone is wondering, here is a baby at 28 weeks.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-28.aspx

Just curious, when was the last time you gave birth?

Joke of a post. You cant discount men just because they cant give birth. How will you discount the pro life women(in the 100s thousands)?
Almost as bad as the "healthcare" posts people put up or the "crazy religious zealots" posts.
The one that really takes the biscuit is themuns that post saying things like "what did the church ever do for schools, the poor blah blah blah". Emm weak arguments considering we have SVP, Trócaire etc flat out on these matters.
I am not a mass goer but I do suspect the fact that the catholic churchs poor record on sex abuse is being used to muddy the water in this argument. Almost like "why would you listen to them sure they done this......."

Not really a joke of a post, this forum is almost entirely male posters, the majority of whom on the poll on this thread want to deny women their rights but none of whom are actually able to conceive.

On the contrary you want to deny the right to life... all other rights come after this most basic human right.

Spare me that hysterical bullshit. That paucity of argument is partially why abortion is now legal across the land.

So your telling me people dont like facts and logic when its put to them...you could be right Brexit etc

BTW Its legal because it was forced in by the British government