The Palestine thread

[give her dixie]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

Israel claimed that 3 rockets were fired. That has been denied by the various resistence groups.

Hitting Gaza with 20 airstrikes in a matter of a few minutes was a well planned attack, and not in response
to so called rocket fire. They don't want peace talks to succeed. They don't want to budge an inch. We have seen
enough of their behaviour in the past weeks to tell us that much.

[give her dixie]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

What a stupid statement.

[bcarrier]

I thought this was sad http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28812983

An apology for a humanitarian appeal?

[give her dixie]

I thought this was sad http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28812983

An apology for a humanitarian appeal?

They also banned an add that named the dead children in Gaza

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/141278/israel-bans-advert-of-killed-gaza-childrens-names

[Franko]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

What a stupid statement.

I'm sorry GHD, I'm a supporter of the Palestinians but that's what it seems like to me also.  It's been acknowledged countless times that these rockets are totally useless militarily so where is the sense in firing them in the certain knowledge that the only consequence is going to be murder of your own people?  They may as well fire the f**king things straight up in the air and land them on themselves.

[seafoid]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

Because a longer ceasefire means they go back to the siege.

" It puts the lotion on the skin. Or else it gets the hose again "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bek6nQGw520

Gaza isn't doing that any more. It's ultra rational.

[rossiewanderer]

I could have sworn the "what about all the non-Arab-Israeli conflicts and why aren't yiz kicking up a stink about them" question had been answered, but let me try to answer the whatabouters in the hope that they'll stop repeating the same damn question and a million variations thereon:

• Because on an emotional level, Irish people feel a strong sense of empathy with the Palestinians because of the similarity of their situation to Ireland's historical situation
• Because Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam Hussein's Iraq ever was and has been getting away with it for a whole lot longer
• Because Israel is a terrorist apartheid state that has managed, through the most efficient propaganda system I have ever seen, to convince large swathes of the western public that it is a civilized, modern, democratic state that is only acting in self defence against unprovoked attacks
• Because Israel has managed to wipe from the western consciousness the existence of about a million Palestinians living in refugee camps since the ethnic cleansing job of 1967
• Because Israel has managed to repeat the mantra over and over again that it has a "right to exist" (which is code for justifying the ethnic cleansing on which the state is built) and has a "right to defend itself" (which is code for slaughtering scores of innocent Palestinians as collective punishment for the actions of a small group of militants).
  
• Because Israel, the aggressor in this case, is propped up by Western governments, particularly the USA, and by isolating Israel in the west we might actually stand a chance of doing something about them

If that answers your question, please stop repeating it like a broken record.

Basically the same can be said for numerous African states.

Firstly Eamon I do not agree with all of your bullet points(sincere apologies to itchy)

However it is true Israel is backed up by the USA and 1967 did amount to territorial annexations,I do not accept that Israel is a terrorist apartheid state.The small group of militants is also a falsehood,Hamas have the support of the people they represent.I respect what your saying but it is clouded somewhat by a deep Hatred of Israel.

DRC Militant factions financed by US Belgium among others to plunder the rich resources and create a perennially war torn state which serves the purpose of the West.
Rwanda The French role in the lead up to the 'Big' genocide, They armed the Hutu militia.
Liberia-US
Ageria-France
Burundi-Germany etc etc
An Unstable mineral rich Africa suits western ends.

[muppet]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

What a stupid statement.

So stupid that you can't make a coherent rebuttal?

[seafoid]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

[muppet]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

You left out the rockets though.

[rossiewanderer]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

Hamas are reckless chess players.
I wonder have Hamas a specific number of civilian deaths targeted.They still refuse to evacuate children from Gaza city to the sparse southern end of Gaza.

[seafoid]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

Hamas are reckless chess players.
I wonder have Hamas a specific number of civilian deaths targeted.They still refuse to evacuate children from Gaza city to the sparse southern end of Gaza.

Israel wants to kill kids. It is trying to terrorise gaza to surrender. And it's operating way beyond international law. The people of Gaza are not going back to the siege. Israel is ultimately responsible for Gaza as occupier. It is not Gaza's fault that Israel is run by sadists .

[foxcommander]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

Hamas are reckless chess players.
I wonder have Hamas a specific number of civilian deaths targeted.They still refuse to evacuate children from Gaza city to the sparse southern end of Gaza.

So if they move all the women and children to one little spot it only takes one raid on that area to wipe them all out? oopsy, fired rocket by mistake...

That doesn't sound like a sensible thing to do. Staying where they are gives them some sort of protection albeit a poor one.

or if they move then it would be open season on the rest of gaza as it's now a legitimate target for "war"
basically that would be just carpet bombing the place...
Once the current occupants are gone then others can move in.

the Palestinians should stop firing though, it's not helping.

[rossiewanderer]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

Hamas are reckless chess players.
I wonder have Hamas a specific number of civilian deaths targeted.They still refuse to evacuate children from Gaza city to the sparse southern end of Gaza.

Israel wants to kill kids. It is trying to terrorise gaza to surrender. And it's operating way beyond international law. The people of Gaza are not going back to the siege. Israel is ultimately responsible for Gaza as occupier. It is not Gaza's fault that Israel is run by sadists .

Why cant Hamas evacuate kids from Gaza City to the south of Gaza and take some measures to try to safeguard innocent children in a war zone?
Storing rockets in schools is not helping the plight of the innocent children, is it Seafoid?

[seafoid]

what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?

Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

Israel kills them. Gaza wants to change the status quo. Israel thinks it can terrorise Gaza into dumping Hamas. It's like chess.
The Norwegians will pay for whatever Israel destroys. Other than Israeli society.   

Hamas are reckless chess players.
I wonder have Hamas a specific number of civilian deaths targeted.They still refuse to evacuate children from Gaza city to the sparse southern end of Gaza.

Israel wants to kill kids. It is trying to terrorise gaza to surrender. And it's operating way beyond international law. The people of Gaza are not going back to the siege. Israel is ultimately responsible for Gaza as occupier. It is not Gaza's fault that Israel is run by sadists .

Why cant Hamas evacuate kids from Gaza City to the south of Gaza and take some measures to try to safeguard innocent children in a war zone?
Storing rockets in schools is not helping the plight of the innocent children, is it Seafoid?

Who kills the kids?
Israel tells Gazans to evacuate their homes and go to UN schools and it bombs the UN schools."take some measures to try to safeguard innocent children"
There is no safe place in Gaza.
Because As far as Jewish Israelis are concerned Gazans are vermin.

Well done Israel. Julius Streicher would be delighted to see how well the flame was passed on.