The Palestine thread

[rossiewanderer]

What is the stance taken on Hamas by Pro Palestinian protesters who who take part in demonstration marches? Claire Daly etc..

[give her dixie]

At least now people with a unionist mindset in this part of the world will know that to think what Israel is doing abhorrent does not make you a republican.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28512058

Well said John.

[SHEEDY]

Joey barton taking alot of stick on twitter for his criticism of israel. Fair play to him for having the courage to speak out.

[Arthur_Friend]

Regev getting a hard time here. He is hard to listen to, I've always found the Australian accent a bit grating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRfNRQblXbs

[93-DY-SAM]

Saw this comment on social media which sums it up for me.

"It doesn't matter how it started. It doesn't matter who did what to spark this pointless blood bath. Hundreds of dead children say that Israel is in the wrong! If your enemy is using an innocent child as a human shield, you don't throw a f*cking grenade at them."

[seafoid]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/26/israel-palestine-middle-east-uprisings-conflict

"If the durability and legitimacy of the post-First World War regional system is up for grabs, both the Israelis and the Americans will be hard pressed to contain Palestinian resistance to Israel for another decade in the name of a moribund depiction of regional stability. The Palestinians represent but one of several communities in the region for whom a remaking of the 20th-century regional order may not be unwelcome. However, their main defenders in the region are more anti-Israel than they are pro-Palestinian and if Israel and its friends want to stem the trend toward Islamist extremism in the region they would do well to find a resolution of the Palestinian problem through a two-state solution th
an leave it to fate."

MJ (Mike) Rosenberg @MJayRosenberg     ·   3h   

Some people say I don't know what anti-semitism is. I do and Israel's actions in Gaza is actually an anti-semitism machine.


Elizabeth Tsurkov @Elizrael     ·   3h   

New Channel 10 poll: 87% of Israelis support continuing the operation in Gaza, 7% support a cease-fire

Caption on Israeli Channel 10: "Up next, the greatest moments of Protective Edge on TV"

Additional chants from last night: "Gaza is a cemetery", "This is the Land of Israel, the country of Jews" http://bit.ly/1rM7Prj

WATCH: Israeli racists sing last night "School is out in Gaza/ They have no children left there" http://bit.ly/1rM7Prj  (starting 00:46)

[seafoid]

http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2014/07/israel-loses-control-in-gaza/

Israel loses control in Gaza

Gideon Rachman    |  Jul 25 10:48  |  Comment  |  Share   


Israel set itself clear goals when it launched its assault on Gaza. Stop the rocket fire into Israel and close the tunnels that might allow Hamas to infiltrate fighters into Israel. Some 18 days into the offensive, and these goals have not yet been achieved. But that is not the only sign that Israel's Gaza offensive is going wrong. On the contrary, there are multiple signs that Israel is losing control of the situation:

1. After a slow start, international outrage about the Gaza offensive is building. The international reaction had been relatively muted – perhaps because there are so many other competing horrors in the Middle East. (Some 700 people were killed in just two days fighting in Syria, last week.) As my colleague Roula Khalaf points out, Hamas has also lost crucial political support across the Arab world. The coincidence of the Gaza and Ukraine crises also probably took the pressure off Israel, briefly. But the shelling of the UN school in Gaza yesterday may mark some form of tipping point – with much stronger statements coming from the UN Secretary-General and Gaza dominating the headlines in Europe.

2. Unrest has spread to the West Bank. If the riots last night are repeated, then Israel risks facing a third intifada. The Gazan offensive will then have comprehensively back-fired, by ending a prolonged period of relative calm enjoyed by Israel.

3. The revival of Hamas: At the start of the Gaza offensive, Hamas was in an extremely weak position. It had lost vital support from Egypt and Iran, and enjoyed little sympathy in the west. But by successfully prolonging the fight with Israel – and even briefly all-but closing Ben Gurion airport – Hamas has chalked up some important propaganda victories. If it can get some sort of lifting of the Gaza blockade agreed – as part of the cease-fire negotiations – it will certainly be able to claim some sort of victory.

4. Israeli military casualties – while small compared to the toll of Palestinian deaths – are still shocking to the Israeli public. This is a small country with a civilian army.

If the Israeli government accepts a ceasefire, without achieving its goals and stopping the rockets, it will face a fierce domestic backlash. But the longer the fighting continues, the more the international backlash against Israel will grow – and the greater the chance that Israel will face a Palestinian uprising on the West Bank.

[seafoid]

http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/impact-social-media-israelgaza-conflict/1182

[rossiewanderer]

What is your stance on Hamas Seafoid?

[Farrandeelin]

How many Israelis have been killed in this latest bout of the conflict?

[seafoid]

What is your stance on Hamas Seafoid?

Same as Brzezinski's . They came in from the cold when they joined the PLO in the PNA in april and it was extremely shortsighted of Israel to decide to destroy them.
It's a self determination struggle and Israel is losing.

[seafoid]

How many Israelis have been killed in this latest bout of the conflict?

2 civilians and 40 declared soldiers but it's probably more like 60.
Israelis are ultra sensitive about dead soldiers. 

[dowling]

See St Galls in Belfast are displaying a Palestinian flag in their club. Presume in solitary and support.  Pic on their Facebook.

[Hound]

BBC news ...Hamas reject truce and fire rockets into Israel. Any other updates?

Hamas are scum. No question, pure scumbags.

But the Israeili leadership manage to outdo them which is quite an achievement.

Only outdoing them because of opportunity. If borders were open Hamas would be sending suicide bombers into Jewish schools and shopping malls. Hamas place no value on human life. Israel place no value on Palestinian lives. Result equals war crimes and horrendous atrocities.

[seafoid]

BBC news ...Hamas reject truce and fire rockets into Israel. Any other updates?

Hamas are scum. No question, pure scumbags.

But the Israeili leadership manage to outdo them which is quite an achievement.

Only outdoing them because of opportunity. If borders were open Hamas would be sending suicide bombers into Jewish schools and shopping malls. Hamas place no value on human life. Israel place no value on Palestinian lives. Result equals war crimes and horrendous atrocities.

Saying Hamas are scum is a waste of time. They joined the PLO in the PA Administration in april as a sign they wanted to be involved in the political side of things and Israel decided to crush them. 


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/28/gaza-crisis-un-security-council-statement-urges-longer-truce
Khaled Mishal, Hamas's leader in exile, told PBS that Israel must end its occupation. "We are not fanatics. We are not fundamentalists. We are not actually fighting the Jews because they are Jews per se. We do not fight any other races. We fight the occupiers," he said.


And dehumanising Gaza is what Israel is all about

http://humanizepalestine.com