The Palestine thread

[seafoid]

It's the expectation that Israel can use the sympathy derived from the Holocaust to persecute the Palestinians. And anyone who disagrees is an anti Semite.   

As if emulating the Nazis is somehow Jewish.

No, it is the expectation that justifiable sympathy for the Palestinian should not be used to perpetuate a second holocaust. Apparently anyone who disagrees is a Zionist.

there isn't going to be a second Holocaust

1. International law
2 Jews are not going to walk into ovens like they did in the 40s

Franz Stangl ran Treblinka and once said of his prisoners
"They were so weak; they allowed everything to happen, to be done to them. They were people with whom there was no common ground, no possibility of communication — that is how contempt is born. I could never understand how they could just give in as they did."

3. Jewish leaders are not going to shaft their people again
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/dec/05/defense-jewish-collaborator/

Using the imaginary risk of a second holocaust to stand with Israel while it desecrates Gaza is the behavior of a troll.

So you call for the destruction of Israel and you think jews don't belong in Palestine and you expect anyone to believe your assurances ?

You are a lying anti-Semite.

They can stay in the Levant for all I care. I'm sure they'll be given the vote. Unlike Palestinians now. I just can't see Israel surviving long term.
The state will go but the people will still be there. Same as Austria Hungary.
And you are nuts, Sheehy. You know f**k all about Israel and you want to tell the rest of us how to think.

I wouldn't lecture you about Kerry football, dhera . But they are not good enough to beat the dubs.

[seafoid]

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/war-crime-video-shows-sniper-killing-wounded-gaza-civilian

That is scary . Israel made a big deal about not targeting civilians in Gaza in 2008

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-to-un-retract-gaza-war-report-in-wake-of-goldstone-s-comments-1.353696
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the United Nations on Saturday to retract the Goldstone Report following the regret expressed by former jurist Richard Goldstone regarding the damning report on alleged Israeli war crimes during the Gaza war.
"Everything that we said proved to be true," said Netanyahu. "Israel did not intentionally target civilians and it has proper investigatory bodies"

Mobile phones are very dangerous for Zionism. There is so much stuff getting out now.
72000 views.
I wonder what the Israeli ambassador will say.

[Wildweasel74]

hit a hospital now, big men behind a f**king tank and F-16 Jet, murder happening right in front of the world. Obana very quick to condemn trouble in the Ukraine but goes AWOL, handy when this carnage is on going, damn outright war crimes going on here. The shelling of Sarajevo seem men brought up on war crimes, what the f**k exactly happening in Palestine, its outrageous

[Mike Sheehy]

I wouldn't lecture you about Kerry football, dhera . But they are not good enough to beat the dubs.

You just stick to the Tel Aviv S&M clubs Seafoid and leave the geopolitics and football to those who know what they are talking about

[Farrandeelin]

hit a hospital now, big men behind a f**king tank and F-16 Jet, murder happening right in front of the world. Obana very quick to condemn trouble in the Ukraine but goes AWOL, handy when this carnage is on going, damn outright war crimes going on here. The shelling of Sarajevo seem men brought up on war crimes, what the f**k exactly happening in Palestine, its outrageous

Go on Mike, I am waiting for your defence of this.

[seafoid]

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/war-crime-video-shows-sniper-killing-wounded-gaza-civilian

That is scary . Israel made a big deal about not targeting civilians in Gaza in 2008

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-to-un-retract-gaza-war-report-in-wake-of-goldstone-s-comments-1.353696
"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on the United Nations on Saturday to retract the Goldstone Report following the regret expressed by former jurist Richard Goldstone regarding the damning report on alleged Israeli war crimes during the Gaza war.
"Everything that we said proved to be true," said Netanyahu. "Israel did not intentionally target civilians and it has proper investigatory bodies"

Mobile phones are very dangerous for Zionism. There is so much stuff getting out now.
72000 views.
I wonder what the Israeli ambassador will say.

126000 views now

[seafoid]

I wouldn't lecture you about Kerry football, dhera . But they are not good enough to beat the dubs.

You just stick to the Tel Aviv S&M clubs Seafoid and leave the geopolitics and football to those who know what they are talking about

You've lost the argument.
The Jewish state is killing innocent people and the world is watching.
And Adelson can't do anything about it. 

[Itchy]

There is no defence, its a war crime. The international community need to step up or otherwise anything goes. Obama has no business coming to this country again if he is going to hide away on this issue.

[seafoid]

And how dangerous is life in Israel now with those rockets coming in ?

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.606382

"First, although anxious, we use statistics to help prevent us from truly fearing for our daughter's safety. So far, more than 1,000 missiles have been fired into Israel with relatively few casualties. "The odds of actually being hit by one of these rockets is like winning the lottery," our Israeli friend says. "Except you have a better chance of winning the lottery"

[Itchy]

And how dangerous is life in Israel now with those rockets coming in ?

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.606382

"First, although anxious, we use statistics to help prevent us from truly fearing for our daughter's safety. So far, more than 1,000 missiles have been fired into Israel with relatively few casualties. "The odds of actually being hit by one of these rockets is like winning the lottery," our Israeli friend says. "Except you have a better chance of winning the lottery"

That makes it ok to fire rockets at civilians does it Seafood. You really are a total f**king idiot. Its clowns like you that are what Israel uses to justify their actions. The Palestinian people do not need a fool like you cheerleading for them. One other thing, your post almost seem happy that Israel is doing what its doing, maybe because it backs up your own opinion of them?

[seafoid]

And how dangerous is life in Israel now with those rockets coming in ?

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-features/.premium-1.606382

"First, although anxious, we use statistics to help prevent us from truly fearing for our daughter's safety. So far, more than 1,000 missiles have been fired into Israel with relatively few casualties. "The odds of actually being hit by one of these rockets is like winning the lottery," our Israeli friend says. "Except you have a better chance of winning the lottery"

That makes it ok to fire rockets at civilians does it Seafood. You really are a total f**king idiot. Its clowns like you that are what Israel uses to justify their actions. The Palestinian people do not need a fool like you cheerleading for them. One other thing, your post almost seem happy that Israel is doing what its doing, maybe because it backs up your own opinion of them?

It's a complete overreaction by Israel,  Itchy . Totally over the top.
Israel is run by thugs.

I know you don't like links but Zbigniew Brzezinski put it well

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/20/fzgps.01.html
" ZAKARIA: Let me switch gears with you, Zbig, and ask you about the Israeli invasion of Gaza. Prime Minister Netanyahu on CNN told Wolf Blitzer that this was a strategy to demilitarize Gaza, explaining the use of force, but it has been -- it has been quite a robust use of force and the most recent attacks apparently 60 Palestinians have died.

Do you think that it is going to succeed the Israeli stage?

BRZEZINSKI: No, I think he is making a very serious mistake. When Hamas in effect accepted the notion of participation in the Palestinian leadership, it in effect acknowledged the determination of that leadership to seek a peaceful solution from Israel -- with Israel. That was a real option. They should have persisted in that. Instead Netanyahu launched the campaign of defamation against Hamas, seized on the killing of three innocent Israeli kids to immediately charge Hamas with having done it without any evidence, and has used that to stir up public opinion in Israel in order to justify this attack on Gaza which is so lethal.

I think he is isolating Israel. He's endangering its longer-range future and I think we ought to make it very clear that this is a course of action which we thoroughly disapprove and which we do not support and which may compel us and the rest of the international community to take some steps of legitimizing Palestinian aspirations perhaps in the U.N. "

Really stupid strategic thinking by Israel. They think they are untouchable. 

[Eamonnca1]

The reaction here in the states just blows me away. The people here are so instinctively pro-Israel you'd almost think the place was the 51st state. There's a right wing propaganda video going around that says it's a simple case of Hamas wanting peace-loving Israel dead, and that's all that's to it. Even people who I thought were sensible and informed have been posting it on social media and accepting it as fact.

[Itchy]

No one said it wasn't an over reaction seafood but are you so totally blind that you think it is ok to laugh off the fact that extremists in Gaza are targeting civilian areas in israel. You do yourself or the plight of gazan no favour by posting shite like that.

[muppet]

The reaction here in the states just blows me away. The people here are so instinctively pro-Israel you'd almost think the place was the 51st state. There's a right wing propaganda video going around that says it's a simple case of Hamas wanting peace-loving Israel dead, and that's all that's to it. Even people who I thought were sensible and informed have been posting it on social media and accepting it as fact.

Cromwell made it into the top 10 greatest Britons of all time, That vote was in the last 10 years.

Don't be surprised at people's love of massacres.

You will recognise more of them when they say the following when asked about the death of civilians and children:

"Israel has a right to defend itself"
"Israel has a right to exist"

No one is arguing against either of the above, but when your opinion is completely morally vacant, you need some matra to stick to. I suspect these are the type of people who carry out atrocities if they are involved themselves.

What is happening in Gaza now is far worse than what the Black & Tans did here. Imagine Irish people arguing for that.

[Sidney]

Israel has the right to defend herself.

Only the intellectually challenged could think this is a valid argument for genocide.

Please dig deeper than Fox News for an angle.

What would be your response to the Hamas shelling Muppet ? Is there an appropriate, proportionate military response..? Or do you advocate that no military response at all is the appropriate response ?

International law, Sheehy. Israel is insane.
The appropriate military response to the Gaza situation is to lift the siege.
If Israel doesn't and Gazan society collapses everybody around the world is going to hate Israel, with justification.
And you'll be very, very  lonely.

I wasn't asking you Goebbels.

International law also applies to Hamas. The collapse of Gazan society is directly attributable to Hamas and it is a collapse fully aided and abetted  by anti-Semitic propagandists like you.

Palestinians are semites too, mate - it's pretty obvious you're as anti-semitic as they come.